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Edward Knoblauch <[log in to unmask]>
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Edward Knoblauch <[log in to unmask]>
Fri, 28 May 2004 11:18:49 -0400
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Cornelius Vanderburgh is found in Ensko, Stephen, _American Silversmiths and
Their Marks_ (a great book first published in 1915, is now in the fourth
edition, each edtion revised by a descendant of Ensko). In that book may be
found mention of his making a gold cup in 1693 for presentation to Governor

On the 1677 Tax List he is listed as the owner of two houses: one on High
Street, the other in the Fort, "where the goldsmith liv'd." Appointed in
1689 as High Constable in New York City and was appointed in 1694 as Assayer
in New York City.

A copy of his maker's mark may be found at

Edward Knoblauch

----- Original Message -----
From: Acton Bell
To: [log in to unmask]
Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2004 10:22 PM
Subject: Re: Jacob Marius Cup

It seems from the Minutes of the Common Council (Vol 3, page 326), that the
cup in question was made by Cornelius Vanderburgh -- unless I'm reading this

I quote the full text below.

James Nevius

"Pursuant to ye Order ye last Common Council ye Recorder brought in ye
Address which was Read & Approved.

"Mr Mayor Reports that by ye Direction of this Board he hath bought of Peter
Jacobs Marius twenty Ounces of Gold for ye Makeing of A Cup to be presented
to his Excellency the Governor, which he hath delivered to Cornelius
Vanderburgh to be made and [that] He was Ingaged to pay unto ye Said Peter
Jacob Marius one hundred & Six pounds for which payment he and Some other
Gentlemen hath Given their Bonds."

David Minor <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
The following is dialogue with Yale Art Gallery. Any clarification would be
appreciated by both of us. Thanks - David Minor

Your website mentions that on July 8, 1693, the New York City Council
mentions a cup made by Jacob Marius for presentation to the Governor --
where did you find this info?

The source is the second chapter of Hugh Macatamney's "Cradle Days of New
York." (New York, 1909, Drew &Lewis).

"Further, it was ordered 'that the mayor doe provide a cup of gold to the
> value of one hundred pounds, to be presented unto his excellency on behalf
> of this city, as a token of their gratitude.' The mayor bought of Peter
> Jacob Marius twenty ounces of gold for the cup, at a cost of L106, for
> which he and others gave their bonds, and desired a fund might be raised
> pay the same, and! it was ordered that the revenue of the ferry between
> city and Brooklyn, 'which doth annually arise, be not converted unto any
> other use whatsoever until the said one hundred and six pounds be paid as
> above.'"

I am trying to determine what Marius' other works were, when he worked,
etc.... None of his other work seems to have survived, so we were thrilled
to find out that he may have once made a cup for Governor Fletcher. Before
we state this, though I do want to be sure that he was the silvermsith of
this tankard. The passage makes it sound as if the council only purchased
the gold from Peter Jacob Marius, who was a merchant and the uncle of Jacob
Marius the silversmith. Is there any direct mention of them hiring Jacob
Marius to make the cup? Who was the mayor at this point, as it sounds as
if he would have undertaken the commissioning.

David Minor
Eagles Byte Historical Research
Pittsford, New York
585 264-0423
'dminor' 'at symbol' 'eznet.net'

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