Cornelius Vanderburgh is found in Ensko, Stephen, _American Silversmiths and Their Marks_ (a great book first published in 1915, is now in the fourth edition, each edtion revised by a descendant of Ensko). In that book may be found mention of his making a gold cup in 1693 for presentation to Governor Fletcher On the 1677 Tax List he is listed as the owner of two houses: one on High Street, the other in the Fort, "where the goldsmith liv'd." Appointed in 1689 as High Constable in New York City and was appointed in 1694 as Assayer in New York City. A copy of his maker's mark may be found at http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~silversmiths/silverimages/van%20der%20burgh%20cornelius.jpg Edward Knoblauch ----- Original Message ----- From: Acton Bell To: [log in to unmask] Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2004 10:22 PM Subject: Re: Jacob Marius Cup It seems from the Minutes of the Common Council (Vol 3, page 326), that the cup in question was made by Cornelius Vanderburgh -- unless I'm reading this wrong. I quote the full text below. Regards, James Nevius www.walknyc.com "Pursuant to ye Order ye last Common Council ye Recorder brought in ye Address which was Read & Approved. "Mr Mayor Reports that by ye Direction of this Board he hath bought of Peter Jacobs Marius twenty Ounces of Gold for ye Makeing of A Cup to be presented to his Excellency the Governor, which he hath delivered to Cornelius Vanderburgh to be made and [that] He was Ingaged to pay unto ye Said Peter Jacob Marius one hundred & Six pounds for which payment he and Some other Gentlemen hath Given their Bonds." David Minor <[log in to unmask]> wrote: The following is dialogue with Yale Art Gallery. Any clarification would be appreciated by both of us. Thanks - David Minor Your website mentions that on July 8, 1693, the New York City Council mentions a cup made by Jacob Marius for presentation to the Governor -- where did you find this info? The source is the second chapter of Hugh Macatamney's "Cradle Days of New York." (New York, 1909, Drew &Lewis). QUOTE: "Further, it was ordered 'that the mayor doe provide a cup of gold to the > value of one hundred pounds, to be presented unto his excellency on behalf > of this city, as a token of their gratitude.' The mayor bought of Peter > Jacob Marius twenty ounces of gold for the cup, at a cost of L106, for > which he and others gave their bonds, and desired a fund might be raised to > pay the same, and! it was ordered that the revenue of the ferry between the > city and Brooklyn, 'which doth annually arise, be not converted unto any > other use whatsoever until the said one hundred and six pounds be paid as > above.'" I am trying to determine what Marius' other works were, when he worked, etc.... None of his other work seems to have survived, so we were thrilled to find out that he may have once made a cup for Governor Fletcher. Before we state this, though I do want to be sure that he was the silvermsith of this tankard. The passage makes it sound as if the council only purchased the gold from Peter Jacob Marius, who was a merchant and the uncle of Jacob Marius the silversmith. Is there any direct mention of them hiring Jacob Marius to make the cup? Who was the mayor at this point, as it sounds as if he would have undertaken the commissioning. David Minor Eagles Byte Historical Research Pittsford, New York 585 264-0423 'dminor' 'at symbol' 'eznet.net' To be put on the mailing list for the weekly TimeMaster radio scripts (WXXI-FM 91.5), as well as a Quote of the Week and a URL of the Week, e-mail me at the address above. HOME PAGE http://home.eznet.net/~dminor includes NYNY, a series of timelines covering New York City and State, from approximately 1,100,000,000 BC to 1991 AD. http://home.eznet.net/~dminor/NYNY.html Visit the Canal Society of New York State page at http://www.canalsnys.org/ "I would undertake to supply your demands if your generosity is equal to them." -John Bartram, U. S. naturalist Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger