> Date sent: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 10:04:31 -0500
> From: [log in to unmask] (Benedict R Maryniak)
> Subject: Grand Army Posts in NY
> I've identified 832 Grand Army of the Republic posts as having been
> organized within the Dept of New York betwen 1866 and 1948.
To: Benedict Maryniak
From: Rusty Logan
I think it is incredible that you have discovered 832 GAR posts in
New York. Here is Arkansas, we had around 110 GAR posts,
many formed by Southern Unionists. Unfortunately, newspaper
reporters and offical records keepers looked upon the GAR with such
disdain that, based on my research in a few of the state's best
archives, it's almost as if the GAR didn't exist. My question is,
where should I look outside Arkansas for GAR records. I found a
wealth of information at the Minnesota Historical Society, of all
places. Is there an ancestral group such as the Sons of Veterans that
has national membership rosters and the like. Someone, someplace,
must hace kept track of the dues.
Rusty Logan
Arkansas Historic Preservation Program
(Former NY resident)
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I'm trying to identify the origins and earliest evidence of Moving Day
in New York City. This was May 1, the date when residential and
commercial leases expired and the streets filled with the wagons
and carts of people moving to and fro. Graham Hodges, in his book
on the cartmen, notes that May was the traditional English Carters'
Day, and I've seen newspaper accounts of the uproar in the 1790s.
There's also a reference to Moving Day in Senator William Maclay's
Journal for 1790. Can anyone out there add more?
Edwin G. Burrows
Brooklyn College
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Does anyone know of an effective method of putting out a search for
lost cartography?
In my research on early "canal" projects in New York in the Early
Republic Period, I have been looking at the maps of Benjamin Wright,
who was employed to survey rivers for navigation improvements as well
lands to be subdivided in central and western New York State. His
manuscript maps and field books, many of which are here in the State
Library, have been very helpful and usually provide a very detailed
image of the geography of these transport routes.
I have numerous references in correspondence in the 1802-03 period to
a map, or series of maps, he did of Wood Creek, Oneida County, in
which he recorded both existing and proposed improvements to that
stream for navigation. I have reconstructed the existing works, both
in other documents and in the field, archeologically, but even though
Wright cites the proposed improvements by letter, number, and
landmark, there is no way to discover them without the map.
Repeated attempts to locate the map and/or fieldbook have failed. At
best, I hope it is tucked away, forgotten and misunderstood, in some
archive or private collection somewhere. Another of his surveys from
the same time period has been lost, in map form, but the field book
was found and from that I was able to reconstruct the map.
This other missing map would show a very small, twisting stream, with
many sharp meanders and loops, with an intersecting stream from the
north at the east margin and a large lake at the west margin.
Is there a newsletter for collectors of historic cartography or other
network that might provide the mechanism for this search?
Philip Lord, Jr.
Office of State History
New York State Museum
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> I doubt there was ever actually a nation of "Mohicans," a name for which
we have
>Cooper and one or two careless 18th-century spellers to thank.
Mark Twain wrote a bitingly funny essay entitled something like "The
Literary Faults of James Fenimore Cooper" in which he takes venomous delight
in pointing out all the *other* things Cooper got wrong. Even if, like me,
you've never read _The Last of the Mohicans_(and after reading Twain's piece
you probably won't be able to), this is good stuff.
--Sabra Feldman
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May 1st was the traditional Moving Day in New York as early as the
seventeenth century. In fact, it was the traditional day in most cities
in Hollad and it can be traced back into the sixteenth century. So
it is hardly surprising that it was also in use in New Amsterdam.
I remember finding some references to leases ending by that date, but
I would have to search for specific examples. My guess is that in
B.Fernow, Records of New Amsterdam from 1653 to 1674 (7 vols, New York 1897,
reprinted Baltimore 1897) some references could be found. Be aware,
however, this is one of the worst translations in existence.
Jaap Jacobs
Leiden University
The Netherlands
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It's astonishing to me that Ms. Sabra Feldman would admit that she has
never read "The Last of the Mohicans" but would at the same time
recommend Twain's discredited (if amusing) essay as some sort of
authoritative piece on Cooper. Modern Cooper scholars have made a
convincing case for Cooper's sophisticated understanding of Native
American culture. I hope that Ms. Feldman reads the study by Prof. John
Engell of San Jose State U, when it comes out (hopefully in the near
future).
Kenneth J. Blume
Assoc. Prof. of Humanities
Albany College of Pharmacy
Albany, NY
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Julia;
Most of the large libraries (Surely the NY library in Albany) has lists of
what you are
looking for. I know here in Ft Wayne, the public library has the second
largest genealogy dept. where we can find the information needed for
passengers coming
in.
Esther
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Well folks,
when will this be in operation when we can use the password? Just what type
of
interactive info will this be?
Just wondered.
I am enjoying this newsgroup though. Been receiving a lot of useful info and
enjoy the
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Forget the Ellis Island Foundation. The records you are looking for, you
can see either at the National Archives (in New York City, or
Washington, DC, for example) or order in to your local "Mormon" family
history center. Read Robert Morris' message to this listserv; he knows
what he's talking about as he is the Director of the National Archives
Regional Archives in New York City.
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You might try looking in RLIN (Research Libraries Information Network)
in the AMC file, which lists archival and manuscript collections. During
the 1970s and 1980s the Historical Documents Inventory, then based at
Cornell, now at the New York State Library, entered descriptions of
collections at many small archives, libraries, and historical societies
throughout New York State. It could be that some fragment of your
cartographer's papers might turn up listed in the collections of one of
these more obscure repositories. You can usually find RLIN at large
public or university libraries.
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Dear Edwin Burroughs, You might consult a later article that I did on Moving
Day: "May-Day in Early New York City," Seaport Magazine, 21:4 (Spring, 1988),
29-34.Good luck, Graham Hodges
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I am organzing two sets of internships in historical geography for
the coming 10 months. Interns will work in the New York State
Museum's "Durham Project", focused on inland transport systems using
waterways and waterway corridors during the Early Republic Period
[essentially 1790-1820].
Internships can be conducted as concise, well-defined projects,
suitable for a report if needed, or can be parts of a broader
research process without closure. In either case, skills development
in using documentary clues, remote sensing evidence, and field
[landscape] evidence, will be one goal of the experience.
Interns will be able to integrate the use of the 1,600 document
project archive, a collection of early stereo air photos, videotapes
of aerial reconnaissance surveys, microfilmed 18th century
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Spring term internships: 4 slots, with two filled at present.
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Hello all,
It's one of those coincidences that occur in life...
Yesterday's Albany Times Union had an article about Mohicans protesting the
construction of WalMart's on what they consider to be their ancestral
ground. It's allegedly going to be located on Catskill Creek, a few miles
from the town of Catskill. According to the article, participants in the
protest came from as far away as Wisconsin, but also, there were some
who alleged to be part of a band in Rensselaer County. Apparently, as the
result of an archaeoligical dig done at the site, artifacts were found of
an encampment at least 1000 years old. No human remains were found however.
The Mohicans claim that this is sacred land to them, since their ancestors
occupied this land.
This brings me to another point which I throw out for discussion. A few years
ago a buddy of mine told me about a Peace Pagoda that was built near the site
of Grafton State Park in Rensselaer County. It is located on Route 2 which
is know as the Mohawk/Taconic Trail. This Peace Pagoda was built by Buddhist
Monks who apparently tour the world and build these structures. One of their
criteria is that the Pagoda be built near or at a place of death, for
example, a battlefield. Now my buddy (who has a construction company and
helped the folks out with some material and tools) told me that early on,
when they were laying the foundation, a small group of Mohawks showed up
and said that this was sacred ground to them because there were people
buried there and they wanted to make sure that the graves were not being
disturbed. My buddy also told me that, while walking around the site one
day, he happened to look down a hill and noticed that from his vantage
point, he realised that rocks, which were seemingly just laying there, were
actually laid to form a turtle. It struck me that the Mohawks had probably
held this site in their memory for hundreds of years by means of an oral
tradition, and I wonder if maybe this thing with the Mohicans could be the
same. BTW, does anyone know of a battle fought at the Grafton site ?
My guess is that it was between natives and may even have pre-dated the
appearance of Europeans.
Daniel Martin
PS, if anyone is interested, I can type in the Mohican article.
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"Sour pedantry"? Is it "pedantry" to suggest that one have read the
work that one is judging? Sense of humor has nothing to do with this
issue. If you'll note, I allowed as how the Twain piece
IS amusing. It's just not accurate literary criticism.
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Does anyone know why Execution Rock in New York Harbor is so named? Bonnie
Davis
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Have you tried the American Legion?
I believe you will find that the American Legion was formed following WWI and
essentially continued the activities of the GAR since, by 1920, most Civil
War vets were 70+. In some (maybe many) cases, the GAR posts became AmLeg
posts continuing their name, buildings, etc.
Walt Steesy
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In reading through some old records I found mention of a term that I've
never heard before. A portion of the sentance read as follows: they moved
and settled in an area populated by "Mohawk Dutch". I have no idea of the
meaning of this phrase, where it came from or when it came about. I'd
appreciate any help in learning more about it.
My apologies should it be, in ant way, derogatory to anyone.
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I am looking for someone who has had a positive experience with a PC
driven map drawing software package. I am not thinking of a mini-GIS
system, where basic geographic data are entered over a matrix which
often gives up illustrative detail and expression for accuracy.
I am really looking for a product that will produce a readable map
with much of the detailing one normally gets from an
illustrator/cartographer, such as shaded terrain, patterning for
ground covers, drop-in elements like trees, etc. And the end product
has to be publication ready.
So far the programs I have seen that do "everything" are too complex,
cumbersome, and often require exceptional hardware support.
Suggestions?
Philip Lord, Jr.
New York State Museum
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I am interested in Old Ladies Homes -- those places to which elderly women
without family to care for them could go, usually by willing whatever
property and goods they owned -- and be cared for for life. I know there
was one in Ithaca, founded in the 1880s, by the Ladies Union Benevolent
Society. And there is one in Rochester.
[I take it there was little need for Old Men's Homes as elderly men
could always remarry and thus get care.]
Does anyone know of other Old Ladies' Homes of this sort around the
state?
with appreciation,
carol kammen
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You can also find the passenger lists at the National Archives located near
Pittsfield, MA. If you need more info, call me at the Albany Institute on
Wed. at 463-4478.
Abbie Verner
Albany Institute of History & Art
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There is a home of that type on Madison Avenue in Albany. My wife worked for
them briefly. The deal was that they basically signed over everything they
had and the place provided a home and health care. I think they are called
Good Samaritan. They also have a branch in Delmar.
Dan Martin
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It builds on their CD
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I have used a product produced by DeLorme called MapExpert. It builds on their CD
ROM based Street Atlas of the United States. It gives you the ability to create an
overlay on which you can place text, symbols, notes, lines and polygons. It allows
only one overlay level which can be frustrating at times. Maps can be printed at
various scales up to 1:5,000
There would be copyright issues in that the maps would incorporate DeLorme's base
map.
I can show you examples if you wish.
John Meierhoffer [log in to unmask]
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Albany NY 12230
>>> Philip L. Lord <[log in to unmask]> 12/05/95 03:08pm >>>
I am looking for someone who has had a positive experience with a PC driven map
drawing software package. ....
I am really looking for a product that will produce a readable map with much of the
detailing one normally gets from an illustrator/cartographer, such as shaded terrain,
patterning for ground covers, drop-in elements like trees, etc. And the end product
has to be publication ready.
So far the programs I have seen that do "everything" are too complex, cumbersome,
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Suggestions?
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The folklore is that during the Revolutionary War, American prisoners were
chained to the base of the rock at low tide and were drowned when the tide
came in. I heard this story when I was a child in the late 50s, but I don't
know the real history.
Nancy Groce
New York City
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This weeks editorial intrusion.
As we look over the messages from our perch here in the
capital city it seems as though many of the messages are personal
or, as we say in the bureaucracy, "individual specific."
Meaning they are not meant for the whole list. So when you
receive a message sent through the list and you select the
"reply" feature on your program, you are replying to the list in
toto. That is several hundred persons. Thus if you want to say
"Thanks, Bill" or "Do the taxpayers really know your up there?",
send it direct - not to the list. The problem though is more
difficult, isn't it? Where do you get the individual's address?
The answer is hopefully from the original message which means
include your e-mail address at the end of the message so people
can write to you directly.
Remember when you reply to the whole list your taking up band
width which is time which is money. On the other hand the most
valuable information on this list is the replies to questions.
That is really what it is all about - just take time to think a
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PC mapping software:
For MACs: ATLAS/MAPMAKER is easy to learn and use
For PCs: MAPINFO, not as easy
For the real expert, contact: the Chair of the Microcomputer Group of
the Association of American Geographers: Paul Anderson (Ill. State):
[log in to unmask] This group can tell you where to get inexpensive
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There was an Old Ladies Home in Mohawk, NY which is now called the
Moahk Homestead. I don't know the history but I'm glad they changed the
name. There were no Old Men's homes because the stronger sex usually
died before their wives. 8-)
Mary Lou Caskey, Mid-York Library System, Utica, NY
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Who knows the last known address of Typhoid Mary. Was it North
Brothers in East River in NY? Thanks Bonnie Davis
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Carol--
There may be one in Glens Falls, across the street from the Eden Park
Nursing Home. The latter's address and phone are: 170 Warren Street, Glens
Falls, 12801; (518) 793-5163. Perhaps calling Eden Park and asking what the
big old "home" across the street is would elicit some information (you don't
mean the museum, which is across Warren Street, but the grand old building
across the side street from them).
There was a wonderful old ladies' home in my home town, but that's several
states away. Good luck.
--Sabra
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Could one of your members help with the location and relevance of the "Royal
Grants" supposedly in or near Herkimer County NY
Thank you,
Donna Younkin Logan,
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On Tue, 5 Dec 1995, carol kammen wrote:
> Does anyone know of other Old Ladies' Homes of this sort around the
> state?
The Henry Keep Home in Watertown, NY was founded in the 1870's
for the care of the "indigent elderly". This turned out to be elderly
ladies from good families who had no one else to care from them and/or
had fallen on hard times. The home was founded by Emma Keep
Schley, sister-in-law of NY State Gov. Roswell P. Flower. When her first
husband, Henry Keep, a wealthy financier, died in the mid 1870s Emma spent
ca. $100,000 on his mausoleum. Supposedly she didn't think it was right to
spend so much on the dead without spending an equal amount on the living so...
she purchased a couple of the most important commercial buildings in
downtown Watertown and used the rents to finance the home.
The home still exists. It was acquired by the House of the Good
Samaitan hospital (now the Samaritan Medical Center) which was next door.
Its now called the Samaritan-Keep Home.
Laura Lynne Scharer
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Would your organization be interested in a list of U. S. Government
publications which are for sale from the U.S. Government Printing Office?
For instance, a publication which has just been released is:
"With Courage: The United States Army Air Forces in World War II."
(Clothbound) - S/N 008-070-00663-4, $31.00. Check, money order, VISA or
Mastercard orders to phone: 719-544-3142, fax: 719-544-6719. Mailing
address: U. S. Government Bookstore, Norwest Banks Building, 201 W. 8th St.,
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A.P.
Is it possible to get a list of USGPO publications on-line?
Bill Evans
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Hi, Al...
I saw the term "Mohawk Dutch" in the book, "The Mohawk" by
Codman Hislop, but it was not defined specifically. Sir
William Johnson referred to his neighbors around Johnstown as
the "Mohawk Dutch", saying that they were very stubborn and
resistant to change. His neighbors were a mixture of Dutch from
Schenectady/Albany who had moved out into the "Maquas Country"
to escape the tenant farm system at Rennselaerswyck, and
Palatines who had also taken up farming along the Mohawk River
west of Schenectady.
So, it is not clear to me whether the term applied to one
of these groups or the other or both. I don't think the term
had any hidden meaning, although the English colonials in New
England and New York were quite contemptuous of the Dutch and
the German Palatines, considering them a lower social class.
Best I can do... did you get any other responses? BTW, my
NYS ancestors were Dutch and Germans and were probably the
folks to whom Sir William referred.
George Peek
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How can we obtain a copy of the list? I'd like one.
Mary
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> Would your organization be interested in a list of U. S. Government
> publications which are for sale from the U.S. Government Printing Office?
> For instance, a publication which has just been released is:
> "With Courage: The United States Army Air Forces in World War II."
> (Clothbound) - S/N 008-070-00663-4, $31.00. Check, money order, VISA or
> Mastercard orders to phone: 719-544-3142, fax: 719-544-6719. Mailing
> address: U. S. Government Bookstore, Norwest Banks Building, 201 W. 8th St.,
> Pueblo, CO 81003. We are a nonprofit U. S. Government agency. Alene
> Pichler, Manager
>
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We have an early settlement on Palatine Germans in Ulster County around New
Paltz area. they were hard working farmers. They settled along the Wallkill
River which proved to be very fertile land. for further information send
mail to CPeg at AOL
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Alene,
Is this list available on the internet? Is there any plan for a system
which would let one search by subject, title, etc?
Bob Jenks
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> Would your organization be interested in a list of U. S. Government
> publications which are for sale from the U.S. Government Printing Office?
> For instance, a publication which has just been released is:
> "With Courage: The United States Army Air Forces in World War II."
> (Clothbound) - S/N 008-070-00663-4, $31.00. Check, money order, VISA or
> Mastercard orders to phone: 719-544-3142, fax: 719-544-6719. Mailing
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> Pichler, Manager
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Two more "old ladies homes";
The Ladies Home in Oswego, NY and The Home in Baldwinsville. Both were
established in the post-Civil War period.
for more information contact Barbara Dix, Oswego County Historian at
349-8385.
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Carol;
The New York State Veteran's Home at Oxford (Chenango Co.) was
established in 1897 for aged and dependent veterans, their widows
and their mothers and also army nurses who were NY residents.
As time went on, the inhabitants were almost all old ladies. I
would suspect that there is a lot of information locally about
the institution.
Bill Evans
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>Could one of your members help with the location and relevance of the "Royal
>Grants" supposedly in or near Herkimer County NY
>
>Thank you,
>Donna Younkin Logan,
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Dear Donna:
"Royal Grants" is too broad a term. Prior to the Revolution all land in
private hands in the Province of New York (excluding old Dutch claims) was
granted by the representative of the Crown in New York, ie the
Governor-general in Council. I count 31 different grants indexed in the
Calender of endorsed land papers 1643-1803 as being granted by the Royal
Government in what was to be Herkimer county. Prior to the Revolution what
is now Herkimer County was part of Albany County until 1772, when Tyron
County was erected under Provincial Government, which was renamed Montgomery
County under State Government sometime after 1783. Herkimer County was
erected long after Royal grants were made in this chunk of North America.
I wonder if your source was confusing "Royal Grants" with the Kingsborough
Patent granted to Sir William Johnson. The Kingsborough Patent was to the
east of what is now Herkimer County.
Edward H. Knoblauch
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Did the original query include "old men's homes"? If so, you might want to
look into various fraternal organizations retirement/old age homes. I know
that the Masons have had such facilities for a very long time (at least back
to the late 19th century) in many states. Other possibilities might be many
of the insurance fraternals such as Woodmen of the World, Sons of Norway,
Aid Association for Lutherans, Lutheran Brotherhood, etc.
Rick Friedline -- U of Iowa
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I am searching for information on George Garth, the British engineer who
was at Crown Point, N.Y., from 1759 to 1761 and began construction of the
British fortress there. Garth later evidently became a British brigadier
general and led the raid on Connecticut in 1779. Back in England he became a
full general and in 1791 became lieutenant governor of Placentia,
Newfoundland. He died in May 1819, perhaps at Placentia.
In his will Garth left his property to the children of Mrs. Anne
Robinson of Beverley, Yorkshire. These were George Garth Robinson, William
Wilson Robinson, and Mary Anne Sophia Robinson. In a codicil he included a
grand daughter, Ercandaphilia Robinson. I am assuming Mrs. Anne Robinson of
Beverley was the wife of Beverley Robinson, Jr., of the Loyal American
Regiment that was commanded by his father. Beverley, Jr., married Anne
Dorothea Barclay in 1778, and he went to New Brunswick with at least three of
his sons. Sabine says that his wife Anne died at Beverley, Yorkshire,
England, in 1814. I assume then that Beverley Robinson, Jr., was separated
from his wife, Anne. Their children as listed by Sabine do not include the
three children of Mrs. Anne Robinson listed in George Garth's will. Were
those George Garth's children, or were there two Mrs. Anne Robinsons living
at Beverley, Yorkshire, at the same time? Has there been any detailed
research on the Beverley Robinson family to determine why Mrs. Anne Robinson
went to Beverley, Yorkshire, if her husband was not with her and why George
Garth took a special interest in her?
Another Loyalist, Oliver DeLancey, also died at Beverley, Yorkshire.
Presumably he was there with Mrs. Anne (Barclay) Robinson. Oliver's son
Stephen had married Cornelia Barclay in 1773, and Thomas H. Barclay had
married Susan DeLancey in 1775, thus indicating family connections.
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>Hi, Al...
> I saw the term "Mohawk Dutch" in the book, "The Mohawk" by
>Codman Hislop, but it was not defined specifically. Sir
>William Johnson referred to his neighbors around Johnstown as
>the "Mohawk Dutch", saying that they were very stubborn and
>resistant to change. His neighbors were a mixture of Dutch from
>Schenectady/Albany who had moved out into the "Maquas Country"
>to escape the tenant farm system at Rennselaerswyck, and
>Palatines who had also taken up farming along the Mohawk River
>west of Schenectady.
> So, it is not clear to me whether the term applied to one
>of these groups or the other or both. I don't think the term
>had any hidden meaning, although the English colonials in New
>England and New York were quite contemptuous of the Dutch and
>the German Palatines, considering them a lower social class.
> Best I can do... did you get any other responses? BTW, my
>NYS ancestors were Dutch and Germans and were probably the
>folks to whom Sir William referred.
>
>George Peek
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We who are descended from the "Mohawk Dutch" are still quite stubborn and
resist change that doesn't seem to be advantageous! But I think you'll find
that most of those who were referred to as "Mohawk Dutch" spoke a dialect of
'Low German' which set them apart. I don't know, or see, anything dirogatory
in the term.
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Through my research, I have found information from the National Archives,
that I have
a descendent who served in the War of 1812.
He was a private in a Company (NY Militia -Artillery) commanded by Capt. Van
Benthusen. He enlisted in Schenectady on the 1st day of September, 1814 for
a term of three months and was honorably discharged at Brooklyn Heights
around the 1st day of December,1814.
Ok, my question is: Is there any historic mention of this regiment in New
York during this time? If so, would there be a listing of all the men who
served in that regiment?
There was also mentioned a ACT concerning Bounty land for the Unites States
granting bounty land to certain officers and soldiers who have been engaged
in the military service of the Unites States which was passed the 28th of
September, 1850. Does anyone have any idea where I can find information on
this? Thanks!
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There have been homes specifically for old women since the middle ages. In
Amsterdam, the Netherlands, the huge building built in the 1680's as a home
for old women is still standing along the River Amstel, not far from the
Municipal Archives. There were others in Haarlem and in many smaller Dutch
cities and towns. It is a fascinating study. The Dutch were very advanced in
the promotion and support of such institutions. See the book and M.A. thesis
by Janny Venema; see also pp. 335-344, 347-348 in the book "A Beautiful and
Fruitful Place: Selected Rensselaerswijck Seminar Papers," for a perspective
of the Dutch almshouse in Beverwyck (Albany), possibly the very first
almshouse in what is the present U.S.
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>Did the original query include "old men's homes"? If so, you might want to
>look into various fraternal organizations retirement/old age homes. I know
>that the Masons have had such facilities for a very long time (at least back
>to the late 19th century) in many states. Other possibilities might be many
>of the insurance fraternals such as Woodmen of the World, Sons of Norway,
>Aid Association for Lutherans, Lutheran Brotherhood, etc.
>Rick Friedline -- U of Iowa
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I don't know if it still exists, but there USED to be a place called
"Sailor's Snug Harbor" on Staten Island. My Grandfather used to hang out
there and play Checkers with other old Sailor's.
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re: "Old Ladies Homes"
Tom Eldred, Cayuga County Historian, suggests anecdotal evidence
that such homes appeared in the last quarter of the nineteenth
century because communities felt a responsibility to Civil War widows
who had never remarried. Perhaps someone has hard evidence of this.
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In the New York City newspaper, Morning Courier and New York Inquirer, of
Thursday morning 15 March 1832, I found the following news items.
"ARRIVED
Ship Edward Quesnel, Pierce; fm Havre, Feb 12th, with mdze, to J A Willink.
Sailed in co with ship Georgia for Savannah."
"FOREIGN IMPORTATIONS
HAVRE- Ship Edward Quesnel- 400 cases of wine,De Launy, Luynt, Burgy & Co; 96
baskets, C Farrow; 50 bags, C Meier; 12 pkgs, F Pares; 14 cases, C Swan;
......................................... 20 tons plaster, J A Willink; 209
pkgs, J A Pierce."
My question is about J A Willink. I understand Pierce to be the ship's
Master, but I saw J A Willink's name also listed with another ship that was
in port at same time. Was Mr. Willink an owner of the ships, or just the
major importer of the cargo?
Also, was it customary or just coincidence for two ships to set sail
together, as the Georgia and the Edward Quesnel did from Le Havre?
The ship also carried passengers, 75 of them in steerage, among them my Duval
ancestors.
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Yes, we would be interested in knowing how to
access your catalogs online ad how to subscribe to
lists of new publications.
Ray Matthews
Reference Archivist
Utah State Archives
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You might investigate the question of Aaron Burr and John Jacob Astor.
Astor purchased the confiscated lands of Beverly Robinson and his wife in
Putnam Co.,N.Y.on the advice of Aaron Burr. There is a good description
of this action in the two volume biography of Astor, and could be used as
a starting point for more investigation
John T. Reilly
Mount Saint Mary College
Newburgh, New York
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In a message dated 95-12-11 10:15:43 EST, you write:
>
>In the New York City newspaper, Morning Courier and New York Inquirer, of
>Thursday morning 15 March 1832, I found the following news items.
>
>"ARRIVED
>snip
Anybody know what other New York newspapers have ship arrival lists and are
they
available on microfile through the Inter Library System? I would also like
to know what years these papers covered.
Don Eckerle
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Sailors' Snug Harbor, the Randall Foundation for indigent merchant
seamen relocated from its tree-shaded campus overlooking the
Kill Van Kull, Staten Island, to Sea Level, North Carolina in 1976.
The campus now houses a variety of cultural institutions in the Snug
Harbor Cultural Center, esp. the John Noble Collection which
interprets the history of Snug Harbor and the Port of New York
through the work of maritime artist John Noble. See also Barnet
Shepherd, Sailor's Snug Harbor, 1801- 1976 (New York, NY: Snug Harbor
Cultural Center, 1979).
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Subject: Re: Listing of NY Regiment in War of 1812. -Reply
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Are you looking for information about the act, or for a possible BLW
application file for your ancestor? Background information on the
various bounty land warrant acts is given in Chapter 8 of the GUIDE TO
GENEALOGICAL RESEARCH IN THE NATIONAL ARCHIVES. (Available
for $25 from the National Archives, at 1-800234-8861, credit card orders
are accepted). The GUIDE is probably the best "bible" available
concerning records useful for genealogical research in the National
Archives.
BLW application files can be obtained by mail using the NATF Form 80,
Request for Copies of Veterans Records. Include the name of the
soldier, war, company and regiment. There is no index to these records,
published or otherwise, so there is no way of knowing ahead of time
whether there is a file for any particular individual. However, the
records are arranged alphabetically by name of veteran, which is how
our staff is able to locate a record, if it exists.
BLW application files can also be requested, examined, and copied in
person at the main National Archives Building in downtown Washington,
DC.
BLW applications were submitted by veterans or widows based on the
veteran's service in the regular or volunteer army. Most of the
applications are based on service in the War of 1812 or in the regular
army thru the late 1840's.
If the soldier received a warrant (not all applications were approved, of
course) the researcher can find out what happened next by providing
the full bounty land warrant number (see the GUIDE for explanation) to
the Suitland Reference Branch, National Archives, Washington, DC
20409. (Write a letter; do not use a Form 80 for this). These records are
in the process of being moved from our Suitland, MD facility to
downtown Washington, DC, so be aware that we --may not-- be able to
service the request for copies of the file relating to the land itself, for
possibly several months. NOTE, also, that in most cases the veteran or
widow sold the warrant to someone else, and the veteran or widow are
unlikely to be mentioned in the records relating to the land.
>>> <[log in to unmask]> 12/08/95 08:27pm >>>
Through my research, I have found information from the National
Archives, that I have a descendent who served in the War of 1812. He
was a private in a Company (NY Militia -Artillery) commanded by Capt.
Van
Benthusen. He enlisted in Schenectady on the 1st day of September,
1814 for a term of three months and was honorably discharged at
Brooklyn Heights around the 1st day of December,1814.
Ok, my question is: Is there any historic mention of this regiment in New
York during this time? If so, would there be a listing of all the men who
served in that regiment?
There was also mentioned a ACT concerning Bounty land for the Unites
States granting bounty land to certain officers and soldiers who have
been engaged in the military service of the Unites States which was
passed the 28th of
September, 1850. Does anyone have any idea where I can find
information on this? Thanks!
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For the mid to late nineteenth century, the New York Tribune and New
York Herald both carried extensive shipping news--lists of incoming and
outgoing vessels, articles, etc. They are both available on microfilm.
The New York Commercial Advertiser is also a good source.
Kenneth J. Blume
Dept. of LIberal Arts
Albany College of Pharmacy
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I have recently put up about 20 digital images of maps of New York
State produced prior to 1830 on the World Wide Web. These maps are from a
collection of over 100 New York State maps recorded on two Kodak photo CDs,
which I eventually plan to make more widely available.
To view the images you will need to have access to the Internet and a
graphical interface (such as Netscape or Mosaic), as well as a computer with
enough RAM to handle 300 kb images.
The maps can be viewed at http://www.sunysb.edu/libmap/nymaps.htm
or via the University at Stony Brook Library's home page at:
http://www.sunysb.edu/library/ldmaps.htm
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> I have recently put up about 20 digital images of maps of New York
>State produced prior to 1830 on the World Wide Web. These maps are from a
>collection of over 100 New York State maps recorded on two Kodak photo CDs,
Snip
Thank you very much! I'm going to look now.
Edward Knoblauch at SUNYA
Edward H. Knoblauch
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This is a reply to a recent enquiry concerning the term "Mohawk Dutch."
The term is corrupted in the same manner as the term "Pennsylvania Dutch"
which, as we all ultimately find out, is the natural misunderstanding of
"Pennsylvania Deutsch", which is simply the German way of saying, well, German.
The Mohawk Deutsch, or Mohawk Valley Germans, are the rather large
population of Germans who settled on the estates of Sir William Johnson
around Johnstown, New York (east of Albany, east of Schenectady, east of
Amsterdam). They were comprised largely of Palatine Germans from the
historic Palatine immigration of 1710 to the Hudson River estates of Richard
Livingston (now Greene County, NY). (Remember Longfellow's "Wreck of the
Palatine"?) Their numbers were augmented by Hessian mercenary soldiers from
the French and Indian wars and they were made welcome on the lands of the
Johnson family.
In the course of the Revolutionary War in America, many of the Mohawk
Deutsch joined with their recent Highland Scots neighbours and made up the
Kings Royal Regiment of New York and some other ranger companies such as
Butler's. The two battalions of this regiment comprised the army of Sir
William's son, Lt-Col Sir John Johnson.
Their character is noticeably different from their more pacific Pennsylvania
brethren -- their sorties down from their Montreal refuge caused the valley
to endure the bloodiest action in the entire revolutionary conflict. They
were principally "jaeger" or hunter/woodsmen/teamster types and conformed to
the common archetype of the loyalist: that of the outsider, having never
melded into the great social experiment which was to be America. They did,
however, impress the stamp of their conservative and pro-British character
on British North America.
On the loss of the American Colonies these United Empire Loyalists were
allocated lands of refuge in the yet-unsettled waste lands of what is now
eastern Ontario, Canada. Indeed, the quaint old village in which I reside is
named after Sir William. His loyal "Mohawk Deutsch" soldiers were all
settled on the north bank of the St Lawrence west of Cornwall, Ontario and
are still entitled to append the initials "U.E." to their names as a mark of
honour alluding to their principle: the Unity of Empire.
In the course of two world wars, many of them found the Deutsch/Dutch
confusion permitted them to think of themselves as Dutchmen as seems to have
been the case in Pennsylvania also. Fortunately, the need for such
self-deception has passed and the new crop of amateur family historians are
restoring the truth of their story once again.
David G Anderson <[log in to unmask]>
Glengarry Historical Society - 1784
Williamstown, Ontario, Canada K0C 2J0
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> > I have recently put up about 20 digital images of maps of New York
> >State produced prior to 1830 on the World Wide Web. These maps are from a
> >collection of over 100 New York State maps recorded on two Kodak photo CDs,
> Snip
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> Thank you very much! I'm going to look now.
> Edward Knoblauch at SUNYA
> Edward H. Knoblauch
>
Could you please tell me how I may access these maps on the Web?
Thanks,
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Many years ago I saw a portrait said to have been that of Jan Stryker, a
late 17th century resident of Flatbush whose farm occupied land near the
present corner of Flatbush and Church avenues in Brooklyn. Does this ring
a bell with anyone on the list? or is my memory playing tricks on me
(again)? Thanks for any tips or leads.
Edwin G. Burrows
Brooklyn College
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The following may be useful to some of us.
Government Printing Office Expands Free On-Line Service -- On
December
1, the U.S. Government Printing Office (GPO) began free online
access to the Congressional Records, Federal Register,
congressional bills, and other important government documents.
Prior to December 1, GPO Access service, which had been created
by legislation in 1993, was available only to users on-site in
some 600 of the nearly 1,400 Federal Depository
Libraries.
GPO Access service can be reached via the Internet or by dial-in
through a modem. Internet users can access the databases with a
World Wide Web browser through the Superintendent of Documents'
home page at: http://www.access.gpo.gov/su_docs/ Internet users
can also telnet to swais.access.gpo.gov; then login as guest.
Dial-in users should use a modem to call (202) 512-1661; type
swais and then login as guest. In more than 20 states, users
with modems can connect to GPO Access through depository library
"gateways" with a local phone call. Listings of depository
libraries and "gateways" can be found on the Superintendent of
Documents' home page. For information on accessing GPO Access,
send an e-mail message to [log in to unmask]
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Edwin, Yes! Large bells start clanging :-). The picture is reproduced
in a book entitled "The Stryker Family in America", written and published
by a descendant, William Norman Stryker. Mr. Stryker has written for The
Holland Society's "De Halve Maen", and you may be able to get his current
address from the Society.
This may be as good a place as any to announce to readers of this list
that in February 1996 I am beginning a new genealogical quarterly
newsletter called "New Netherland Connections". It will be devoted to an
ongoing study of kinship links between inhabitants of New Netherland --
1624-1664 -- and the search for their descendants. A free copy of the
first issue will be sent to anyone who would like to have one! Dorothy
* * * * * * * * * * *
Dorothy A. Koenig
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On Thu, 14 Dec 1995, Burrows wrote:
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> Many years ago I saw a portrait said to have been that of Jan Stryker, a
> late 17th century resident of Flatbush whose farm occupied land near the
> present corner of Flatbush and Church avenues in Brooklyn. Does this ring
> a bell with anyone on the list? or is my memory playing tricks on me
> (again)? Thanks for any tips or leads.
>
> Edwin G. Burrows
> Brooklyn College
>
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Earlier today I answered a poster's question about a picture of Jan
STRYKER. In the course of the message I made reference to a new
newsletter I plan to begin -- in PAPER copy -- come February 1996. In
case there are people other than those who read the message about Jan
Stryker who might be interested, I am repeating the information here.
I am planning to begin a new quarterly newsletter in February 1996. It
will be called "New Netherland Connections" and will be devoted primarily
to establishing genealogical connections among and to people who lived in
those areas -- the Hudson Valley, Manhattan, Long Island, and New Jersey
-- that were under the jurisdiction of the Dutch West India Company
between 1624 to 1664. It will contain items about people, places, and
events. One of its main functions will be to try to bridge the
communication gap between people who have access to email and those who
do not.
I will be charging $15.00 per calendar year for issues published in
February, May, August, and November. HOWEVER, the first issue will be
sent free to anyone who would like to have one. The newsletter will also
contain genealogical queries at no charge to the contributor.
If you would like to submit a query by email and/or have your name added
to the mailing list to receive a free copy of the first issue in
February, please contact me. Be sure to include your POSTAL address so I
know where to send the Fenbruary issue!
Dorothy
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Dorothy A. Koenig
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In researching my ancestors, Nathaniel and Hannah (Goold) SANBURN (aka
SANBORN), who owned a tavern in Canandaigua, Ontario Co., NY in the late
1790's--mid-1800's, I have found numerous references to various persons who
were instrumental in the early days of Western NY State who were long-term
guests of the Sanburn tavern. I know several of them kept personal journals
during this period, and I would very much like to locate these journals for
possible references to my Sanburn family.
Would anyone know in what libraries, repositories, etc., I might look for
personal journals or diaries of the following persons?
Specifically:
1. Episcopal Reverend (later Bishop) Philand Chase. Organized St. Matthews'
church in Canandaigua in 1799.
2. Oliver Phelps
3. Aaron Burr
4. Thomas Morris
5. Timothy Pickering
Other persons of note who stayed in the Sanburn Tavern, and who may have kept
journals during this period, are: Charles Williamson, Rev. Mr. Kirkland,
Augustus and Peter B. Porter, James and William Wadsworth, the early Judges
of the Supreme Court of NY State, Joseph and Benj. Ellicott, Philip Church,
Louis Le Couteleux, Charles and Dugald Cameron, Vincent Matthews, Nathaniel
W. Howell, John Greig, Horatio and John H. Jones, Robert Troup, Jeremiah
Mason, Philetus and John Swift, Wm. Howe Cuyler, Elias Cost, Herman Bogert,
Samuel Haight, Timothy Hosmer, Arnold Potter, Benedict Robinson, Jemima
Wilkinson, Samuel B. Ogden, John Butler and Samuel Street.
Thanks in advance to anyone who might be able to point me in the right
direction.
Please address any responses to me at: [log in to unmask]
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At the request of another NYHIST-L subscriber, I am uploading Part I of
an article "What Battles Did My Civil War Ancestor Fight In?" which
appeared in the November 1995 issue of THE RECORD. Part II will
appear in the January issue of THE RECORD.
THE RECORD is a free newsletter published five times per year by the
National Archives. It includes a broad variety of articles relating to
records held by the National Archives, information on new accessions,
etc. There is a "genealogy" column in every issue. To subscribe, write
to Roger Bruns, Editor, THE RECORD, National Archives, Washington, DC
20408. Or email [log in to unmask]
In the article I talk about National Archives Microfilm Publication M594,
Compiled Records Showing Service of Military Units in Volunteer Union
Organizations (225 rolls). Naturally, the quality and quantity of
information provided provided in this microfilm publication for a given
company or regiment depends on the quantity and quality of the
information provided by the officers of those units.
Claire Prechtel-Kluskens
Archivist/Genealogy Specialist
National Archives and Records Administration
Washington, DC
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Here is the article:
WHAT BATTLES DID MY CIVIL WAR ANCESTOR FIGHT IN?
PART I: BASIC RESEARCH SOURCES
By Claire Prechtel-Kluskens
Archivist/Genealogy Specialist
National Archives and Records Administration
Washington, DC 20408
Over 2.8 million men (and a few women) served in the Union and
Confederate armies during the Civil War. Each played a part in this epic
struggle over states' rights and slavery. This article will briefly describe
resources for researching the military service of individual Civil War
soldiers.
Introduction to Basic Research Sources
For Union army soldiers, there are three major records in the
National Archives that provide this information: (1) a compiled military
service record; (2) a pension application file; and (3) National Archives
Microfilm Publication M594, Compiled Records Showing Service of
Military Units in Volunteer Union Organizations (225 rolls).
For Confederate army soldiers, there are two major records in the
National Archives that provide this information: (1) a compiled military
service record and (2) National Archives Microfilm Publication M861,
Compiled Records Showing Service of Military Units in Confederate
Organizations (74 rolls). Records relating to Confederate soldiers are
typically less complete than those relating to Union soldiers because
many Confederate records did not survive the war.
The National Archives does not have pension files for
Confederate soldiers. Pensions were granted to Confederate veterans
and their widows and minor children by the States of Alabama,
Arkansas, Florida, Georgia, Kentucky, Louisiana, Mississippi, Missouri,
North Carolina, Oklahoma, South Carolina, Tennessee, Texas, and
Virginia; these records are in the state archives or equivalent agency.
Researchers should visit public libraries to find books and
periodicals about Civil War battles, strategies, uniforms, and the political
and social context of the times. The War Department's 128-volume War
of the Rebellion: A Compilation of the Official Records of the Union and
Confederate Armies includes battle reports and correspondence of
Union and Confederate regiments. Frederick H. Dyer's A Compendium of
the War of the Rebellion lists battles in which each Union regiment
fought. It cannot be considered proof, however, that any particular
soldier fought in these battles since different companies in the regiment
may have had different assignments, or an individual soldier may have
been absent due to sickness, desertion, temporary assignment to other
duties, or other causes.
Other valuable sources include E.B. Long's, Civil War Day by
Day: An Almanac, 1861-1865, James Randall and David Donald's Civil
War and Reconstruction, Bruce Catton's Centennial History of the Civil
War, Shelby Foote's The Civil War, Bell Wiley's The Life of Johnny Reb
and The Life of Billy Yank, and Roy P. Basler, ed., Collected Works of
Abraham Lincoln. Periodicals such as Civil War History, Civil War
Times Illustrated, and Blue and Gray are also informative. Charles E.
Dornbusch's Military Bibliography of the Civil War is a guide to
published unit histories.
Discussion of Basic Research Sources in the National Archives
Each soldier has one Compiled Military Service Record (CMSR)
for each regiment in which he served. The CMSR contains basic
information about the soldier's military career, and it is the first source the
researcher should consult. The CMSR is an envelope (a jacket)
containing one or more cards. These cards typically indicate that the
soldier was present or absent during a certain period of time. Other
cards may indicate the date of enlistment and discharge, amount of
bounty paid him, and other information. The soldier's town and state of
birth may be indicated; if foreign born, only the country of birth is stated.
The CMSR may contain an internal jacket for so-called "personal papers"
of various kinds. These may include a copy of the soldier's enlistment
paper, papers relating to his capture and release as a prisoner of war,
or a statement that he had no personal property with him when he died.
Note, however, that the CMSR rarely indicates battles in which a soldier
fought; that information must be derived from other sources.
A CMSR is as complete as the surviving records of an individual
soldier or his unit. The War Department compiled the CMSR's some years
after the war to permit more rapid and efficient checking of military and
medical records in connection with claims for pensions and other
veterans' benefits. The abstracts were so carefully prepared that it is
rarely necessary to consult the original records from which they were
made.
Most Union army soldiers or their widows or minor children later
applied for pensions. The pension file will often contain more information
about what the soldier did during the war than the CMSR, and it may
contain much medical information if he lived for a number of years
afterwards. For example, in his pension file, Seth Combs of Company C,
2d Ohio Cavalry, said: "... my left eye was injured while tearing down a
building . . . and in pulling off a board a splinter or piece struck my eye
and injured it badly ... it was hurt while in the Shenandoah Valley near
Winchester, Va. about Christmas 1864--a comrade who stood by me
name Jim Beach is dead...." In another affidavit, Seth said he "also got
the Rheumatism while on duty as a dispatch bearer on detached duty."
To obtain a widow's pension, the widow had to provide proof of
marriage, such as a copy of the record kept by county officials, or by
affidavit from the minister or some other person. Applications on behalf
of the soldier's minor children had to supply both proof of the soldier's
marriage and proof of the children's birth.
More detailed information about the soldier's war activities can be
found in the day-by-day histories of the activities of each company
known colloquially as the "record of events." As noted above, records
of Union regiments have been microfilmed as National Archives Microfilm
Publication M594, Compiled Records Showing Service of Military Units in
Volunteer Union Organizations (225 rolls). These records are arranged
by state, thereunder by regiment, thereunder by company. Although
they rarely name individual soldiers, the descriptions of the activities and
movements of the company can be used, in conjunction with the soldier's
CMSR and pension file, to determine where he was and what he was
doing.
A Look Ahead
In the next issue of The Record, Part 2 of this article will use
these three records to describe the military service of two brothers who
served in the 106th New York Infantry. Their examples illustrate that one
soldier's experience may be different from that of other soldiers in the
same regiment.
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Have you looked in the indexes of what are commonly called the HDI
guides or the red guides? For each county in New York, there is a Guide
to the Historical Resources in [name] County. The indexes include
personal names.
The guides are available at historical societies and libraries around the
state.
For more information on this resource or to order a copy for a specific
county, write: Statewide Archival Services, NYS Archives and Records
Administration, Room 9B38 CEC, Albany, NY 12230. 518-474-4372
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I am starting a research project on Native American maps of New York
State and their possible influence on early published maps of the state. As
part of this project, I am attempting to identify all extant copies of maps produced
by, or based on the work of, Native Americans living in New York prior to about
1850.
I have consulted the exhibition list for "Cartographic Encounters: An
Exhibition of Native American Maps" published in the September, 1993, issue of
Mapline (Newberry Library), and read the literature cited in the bibliography
accompanying that list.
I would greatly appreciate any specific references to additional maps
and their locations not mentioned in either the exhibition catalog or its
bibliography. Early maps produced by Iroquian or Algonquian speaking Indians
living in nearby states or Canada that show areas in New York would also be of
interest.
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You might try the Ontario County Historical Society, 55 North Main
St., Canandaigua, NY 14424 Tel: (716) 394-4975 as they have
collections of Oliver Phelps and others. Another good place to check
is the Ontario County Dept. of Records, Archives, and Information
Management Services, 3869 County Rd. #46, Canandaigua, NY 14424 Tel:
(716) 396-4377. This is the county government archives and would
likely have mention of your ancesters in the Surrogate's Records,
Census Records, and Tax Assessment Rolls. The Wood Library, 134
North Main Street, Canandaigua, NY 14424 Tel: (716) 394-1381 has a
local history collection that may be of help. When you are through
with these sources. Contact me again and I will supply you with
quite a few others.
Good Luck on your searching!
Steve Walker
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> Subject: Journals of Western NY State Personages
> In researching my ancestors, Nathaniel and Hannah (Goold) SANBURN (aka
> SANBORN), who owned a tavern in Canandaigua, Ontario Co., NY in the late
> 1790's--mid-1800's, I have found numerous references to various persons who
> were instrumental in the early days of Western NY State who were long-term
> guests of the Sanburn tavern. I know several of them kept personal journals
> during this period, and I would very much like to locate these journals for
> possible references to my Sanburn family.
>
> Would anyone know in what libraries, repositories, etc., I might look for
> personal journals or diaries of the following persons?
>
> Specifically:
>
> 1. Episcopal Reverend (later Bishop) Philand Chase. Organized St. Matthews'
> church in Canandaigua in 1799.
> 2. Oliver Phelps
> 3. Aaron Burr
> 4. Thomas Morris
> 5. Timothy Pickering
>
> Other persons of note who stayed in the Sanburn Tavern, and who may have kept
> journals during this period, are: Charles Williamson, Rev. Mr. Kirkland,
> Augustus and Peter B. Porter, James and William Wadsworth, the early Judges
> of the Supreme Court of NY State, Joseph and Benj. Ellicott, Philip Church,
> Louis Le Couteleux, Charles and Dugald Cameron, Vincent Matthews, Nathaniel
> W. Howell, John Greig, Horatio and John H. Jones, Robert Troup, Jeremiah
> Mason, Philetus and John Swift, Wm. Howe Cuyler, Elias Cost, Herman Bogert,
> Samuel Haight, Timothy Hosmer, Arnold Potter, Benedict Robinson, Jemima
> Wilkinson, Samuel B. Ogden, John Butler and Samuel Street.
>
> Thanks in advance to anyone who might be able to point me in the right
> direction.
>
> Please address any responses to me at: [log in to unmask]
>
>
>
>
Steve Walker
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Information Management, LTD.
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Penn Yan, NY 14527-1106
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Sir:
The majority of the papers of Oliver Phelps (and Nathaniel Gorham)
are in the Manuscripts and Special Collections of the NY State Library.
There are about 150 linear feet of records of Phelps and Gorham here and
there is a very long finding aid to the collection. Come east to the
State Library sometime and look at the Phelps Papers and you may find
something useful. I should mention that we do not have the staff time to
research these papers for you. By the way, we also have miscellaneous
letters and other manuscripts of Burr, Pickering and a good deal of other
material on Western NYS history.
Jim Corsaro
On Sat, 16 Dec 1995 [log in to unmask] wrote:
> In researching my ancestors, Nathaniel and Hannah (Goold) SANBURN (aka
> SANBORN), who owned a tavern in Canandaigua, Ontario Co., NY in the late
> 1790's--mid-1800's, I have found numerous references to various persons who
> were instrumental in the early days of Western NY State who were long-term
> guests of the Sanburn tavern. I know several of them kept personal journals
> during this period, and I would very much like to locate these journals for
> possible references to my Sanburn family.
>
> Would anyone know in what libraries, repositories, etc., I might look for
> personal journals or diaries of the following persons?
>
> Specifically:
>
> 1. Episcopal Reverend (later Bishop) Philand Chase. Organized St. Matthews'
> church in Canandaigua in 1799.
> 2. Oliver Phelps
> 3. Aaron Burr
> 4. Thomas Morris
> 5. Timothy Pickering
>
> Other persons of note who stayed in the Sanburn Tavern, and who may have kept
> journals during this period, are: Charles Williamson, Rev. Mr. Kirkland,
> Augustus and Peter B. Porter, James and William Wadsworth, the early Judges
> of the Supreme Court of NY State, Joseph and Benj. Ellicott, Philip Church,
> Louis Le Couteleux, Charles and Dugald Cameron, Vincent Matthews, Nathaniel
> W. Howell, John Greig, Horatio and John H. Jones, Robert Troup, Jeremiah
> Mason, Philetus and John Swift, Wm. Howe Cuyler, Elias Cost, Herman Bogert,
> Samuel Haight, Timothy Hosmer, Arnold Potter, Benedict Robinson, Jemima
> Wilkinson, Samuel B. Ogden, John Butler and Samuel Street.
>
> Thanks in advance to anyone who might be able to point me in the right
> direction.
>
> Please address any responses to me at: [log in to unmask]
>
>
>
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To this casual reader of New York history, there seem to be two distinct
eras of westward growth from the original upstate settlements near Albany.
Before the Revolutionary War, new settlements seem to have been planted
slowly up the Mohawk River from Schenectady. In the decades after the war,
the population exploded across the center of the state. An arbitrary end to
this second period might be the opening of the Erie Canal in 1825. I would
like to better understand these two eras of westward expansion in terms of
the groups involved, and the economic and social trends of the times. Can
members of this list suggest readings which focus on this aspect of state
history?
A related question -- some Revolutionary soldiers received bounty lands in
the Military Tract. Did veterans of militia companies receive other cash or
land bounties which encouraged new settlements?
--
Wes Plouff Royal Oak, Michigan
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Response to Neil Plouff's inquiry:
For geographic interpretations of the westward expansion of
European-Americans into central and western New York, see D. W.
Meinig, "Geography of Expansion," pp. 140-71 in John H. Thompson, ed.,
Geography of New York State (Syracuse: Syracuse University Press,
1966); and James W. Darlington, "Peopling the Post-Revolutionary New
York Frontier," New York History, 74:4 (Oct. 1993), 340-81. Both Meinig
and Darlington have excellent maps; Darlington's maps show the very
different settlement areas of immigrants from the various New England
states. Thompson's book is still (I think) in print in paperback.
James D. Folts
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I believe that the land west of the Unadilla River was open to settlement
following 1790 -- that was when Vermont succeeded from NYS - the land west
of the Unadilla River was open for settlement to people from New York,
Massachusetts, and Connecticut. (I believe the other states wanted to claim
Western New York) Of course, folks from other states saw New York State
during the revolutionary war.
Beverly Vander Kooy
University at Buffalo
(We have been doing research on early settlement in Otsego County -
particularly to find out who built the toll road (now country route 13)
between Morris and New Berlin. My husband grew up in a Gothic Revival
house that is now being restored by the new owners)
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"The Private Journal of Aaron Burr" was published in 2 volumes at New
York in 1838 and again at Rochester in 1903. In it is a diary kept by Burr
from 1808 to 1812 during residence in Europe.
The journal of Joseph Ellicott for 1801 is in William Ketchum, "An
Authentic and Comprehensive History of Buffalo" (Buffalo, 1865), II:146-150.
The unpublished manuscript personal journal of Aaron Burr from 1808 to
1812 is in the Huntington Library at San Marino, California.
"The Journals of Samuel Kirkland, 1764-1807" edited by Walter Pilkington
was published by Hamilton College in 1980 and is an excellent source.
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Wes, I'm sorry I cannot cite books on the patterns of settlement
in Central New York. There is some discussion of this subject in
"Mohawk Baronet - A biography of Sir William Johnson", by James
Flexner.
I believe one consideration is that in 1768, a Treaty between the
English colonial government and the Iroquois Confederacy at Fort
Stanwix, now Rome, NY. A division line was drawn which passed thru
the heart of central NY, and thru Oneida County. White settlers were
forbidden to purchase land from the Indians west of this line.
Much of the land east of that line was in the hands of well to do
men who were more interested in maintaining a tenant farming system
than in selling land to new settlers. So, there was a pent up
demand for farmland in the state.
When the Revolutionary War ended, a different government was in
control. Land holdings of Loyalists and their Iroquois allies were
confiscated by the new government and laid open to settlement thru
companies like the Holland Land Company, and, of course, large
grants of land were made to military veterans, with rank seeming to
have its privileges.
Baron von Steuben, whom I doubt ever set foot in New York before or
during the war received a large grant in northern Oneida County, as
did others. I believe that even George Washington himself was
given a tract in northern New York.
I'm afraid this is a rather non-scholarly treatment of the subject
on my part, but I think it explains to some extent, the rapid
expansion of settlement in New York following the colonial period.
George Peek
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There are a number of very good books on the subject of NY's
westward expansion. Begin with David Ellis, et all, History of New York.
The Chapter on land scpeculation is a good overview.
In addition there is Joseph Chazanof, Ellicott and the Holland Land
Company, and Wyckoff, Developers Frontier (Yale U press).
Barbara Graymont explains the Iroquois situation during and after
the Revolutionary War.
In brief, before the Revulitionary War, travel or purchase of land
was forbidden Americans of European background in Iroquois territory, which
was defined as beyond the Unadilla River. After the Revolutionary War, NY
claimed the western lands, sent in survey teams, and eventually deeded The
Military Tract to veterans of the war in lieu of payment for their service.
[This was the new Military Tract as the veterans were not interested in
land in the Adirondacks at the time; they remembered the long winter
retreat through that area and didn't view it as farm land.]
Parcels of land west (and south) of the Military Tract were opened
for sale while some was given to Massachusetts to grant as settlement land
(though not to own ). Thus, the west was peopled rather quickly from 1800
to 1825 or so with people from the east who had not had land of their own,
who farmed worn out land, or who wanted to take their chances as farmers or
others in a 'frontier' area.
This whole subject deserves a good deal more consideration than an
e-mail message; I recommend starting with Ellis and then moving on to more
specific treatments. Most county histories contain specific information
about this period of settlement as do Town histories where they are
available.
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Although George Peek submits some quite interesting ideas in response to Wes'
inquiry about the post-Revolution settlement of central NYS, according to Isabel
Kelsay in Joseph Brant -1743-1807 (Man of Two Worlds), the Iroquois did not have
their lands confiscated by the government (either NYS nor the emerging federal
govt), and numerous conferences were held regarding disposition of those lands.
Furthermore, the Oneidas were allied with the Americans, and not therefore
subject to any sanctions. Hope this does not confuse issues. Brian T.
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A group of 8th and 9th grade students at Holland Patent are researching the
economic history of the Mohawk Valley or Upstate area during the 20th
Century. Is there a short article or student materials which would be
appropriate?
Thanks for any help.
Patrick Peterson
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Holland Patent! What an interesting place name. Is there history in that
name? Would anyone care to share it with a Bronx boy?
Jim Maguire
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Hi Professor Burrows , this in John VanDereedt, one of your students from the
past (1979). Subject; New York Committee of Safety, 1775-1776. I am still
working at the National Archives. I do not have an answer to your question,
but would be interest in keeping in contact . If you need any information
about documents at the National Archives feel free to contact me. My
telephone number at work is (202) 501-5426
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Claire;
Thanks so much for the information in reference to Civil war soldiers. I for
one, really
appreciate the time you took in writing out the article.
Esther
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The Depression-era book "New York: A Guide to the Empire State" compiled by
workers of the Writers' Program of the Work Projects Administration, first
published in November 1940, might be a good place to start.
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An Albany architect & historian, John Waite, has done work on the
industrial history of the Albany/Troy/Cohoes area -- in connection
with a group at RPI. Waite's office is on Broadway. I have an
address and citations, but not right at hand.
-Steve Thomas, NYC
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My great-grandfather, Capt. Francis G. Maloney, commanded Company "I" of
the 54th Regiment of the New York National Guard from October, 1863 until
1868 when he was promoted to Major. The 54th was federalized in July, 1864,
sent to the Elmira, NY Prisoner of War camp as a guard unit, and mustered
out in November of the same year.
He was also active in the Machinist Union while still a member of the
54th and apparently held some views that were not popular with other union
members. A letter to Maj. Maloney in the Rochester Union & Advertiser of 15
Februray 1870, and signed by most commisioned officers of the 54th, asked
that Major Maloney tender his resignation in the regiment. The letter
talked about "...action of the late Workingman's Convention at Albany in
regard to our Major." Apparently he did not resign but a small article in
the Union & Advertiser of 17 May 1870 carries the following:
COURT MARTIAL - It is reported that charges have been preferred against
Major Maloney of the 54th Regiment, and a Court Martial to be assembled
the 1sr day of June next has been ordered.
I have read every issue of the Union & Advertiser in 1870 from February
until the end of July. I have found nothing to expand on the brief Court
Martial article above. In addition, I have contacted the New York State
Archives to see if they may be able to help to no avail. I have also sent a
letter to the office of the New York Adjutant General but they forwarded it
to the NY State Archives.
Can anyone offer any suggestions as to what my next step may be?
Pat Eagan
3901 NW 23rd Court
Boca Raton, FL 33431
(407) 451-3131
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Not having seen the original message and not knowing exactly what
this is all about except it appears to be about industrial history of the
Riverspark region, that is, Troy-Cohoes, New York, I wanted to mention
that there has been a good deal of research and publication about the
industrial history of that region. Books and articles by Walkowitz,
Phelan, Turbin, Diana Waite and others have documented some of the
labor/industrial as well as economic and architectural history of the region
particularly for the late 19th century. There has been a good deal of unpublished research and ephemeral publications about
the topic and the Hudson Mohawk Industrial Gateway has done much over the
past couple of decades to promote the industrial history of the region.
James Corsaro
Associate Librarian
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New York State Library
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On Fri, 22 Dec 1995 [log in to unmask] wrote:
> An Albany architect & historian, John Waite, has done work on the
> industrial history of the Albany/Troy/Cohoes area -- in connection
> with a group at RPI. Waite's office is on Broadway. I have an
> address and citations, but not right at hand.
> -Steve Thomas, NYC
>
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In a message dated 95-12-22 15:51:19 EST, Patrick Eagan ([log in to unmask])
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> COURT MARTIAL - It is reported that charges have been preferred against
> Major Maloney of the 54th Regiment, and a Court Martial to be assembled
> the 1st day of June next has been ordered.
>I have read every issue of the Union & Advertiser in 1870 from February
>until the end of July. I have found nothing to expand on the brief Court
>Martial article above. In addition, I have contacted the New York State
>Archives to see if they may be able to help to no avail. I have also sent a
>letter to the office of the New York Adjutant General but they forwarded it
>to the NY State Archives.
> Can anyone offer any suggestions as to what my next step may be?
I also have been trying to locate the specifics of several courts martial of
one of my ancestors who served in the NY Militia (and later in the Regular
Army during the War of 1812), but have thus far been unsuccessful. His
Regular Army Service military records in the Nat'l Archives do not contain
any relevant information. If anyone is able to provide an answer to both Mr.
Eagan's and my questions, I would appreciate it very much.
The two references I have are as follows:
1. 15 Feb 1810 "THE GOVERNOR SUSTAINS THE DECISION OF ANOTHER
COURT-MARTIAL."
G.O.: Headquarters, Albany, 15th February 1810 The Commander in Chief
having maturely considered the appeal of Capt. GILBERT SEAMAN of the First
Regiment of the First Brigade of Militia in the City and County of New York
from the sentence of the Court Martial instituted for his trial and the
Brigade orders of 20th Dec'r, 1809, approving in part of the same, cannot
discover any just cause for disapproving of the said Brigade orders, and
directs General Steddiford to cause the same to be carried into execution.
By order of his Excellency:
Sol. Van Rensselaer, Adj. Genl.
(Ref: State of New York, "Public Papers of Daniel D. Tompkins, Governor of
New York 1807-1817, Military, Vol. I, pp. 257-8.")
[Note: NY State Archives searched the NY Adjutant General's files for the
court-martial charges against Gilbert, but found the files do not go back
to the years of interest.]
2. 19 Jan 1813 From "Public Papers of Daniel D. Tompkins, 1807-1817," Vol.
I,
NY and Albany, 1898, pp. 693-4:
To: Lt. Col. Walter Grieve Subj: As to Courts Martial Dated: Albany,
January 19, 1813. Sir-- Your communication of the 17th December last, and
the order and notice of arrest annexed thereto have been recently received
from the Adjutant General. By referring to the Act of this State passed
April 2d, 1810, amending the militia law, you will find that the law
contemplates that the officer whose duty it is to order any Court Martial,
for the trial of officers, shall be furnished not only with a notice of
arrest, but also with a copy of the charges on which the arrest is made
(see public laws of 1810, page 58), and by the 73d section of the militia
law of this State, passed 29th March, 1809, it is necessary to make the
arrest and proceedings thereon legal, that the officer arrested be served
with a copy of the charges in writing, signed by the arresting officer
within three days after the arrest. (See public laws of 1809, page 234). I
presume you have complied with the provisions of the last mentioned act, by
having furnished Capt'ns SEAMAN and Tompson within three days after their
arrest, with copies of the charges upon which the arrests were predicated,
and it therefore only remains, that pursuant to the amendatory law above
mentioned, you furnish the Adjutant General or myself with a copy of those
charges, that I may be enabled to judge wether they will justify a
Court Martial or not. Should they require or warrant it, your request for
the organization of a Court Martial for the trial of said officers shall be
immediately complied with. I am, d't Sir, respectfully, Your Ob't Serv't,
/s/ Daniel D. Tompkins
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Re: Peterson's request for information about Mohawk Valley's
20th century industrial history.
The Mohawk Valley is an excellent site for studying 20th century
industrial development and the evolution of modern trade unionism. The authors
and works cited by other list members are good places to begin. I''ve done a
considerable amount of work myself on the industrial history of the Valley
(broadly defined) -- from Rome to Schenectady, and have published
(as well as WILL publish) a few pieces on the Fulton
County leather and glove industries, and the General Electric works in
Schenectady. Along with several graduate students in the Dept. of
History at the University at Albany -- SUNY, I intend to initiate a video
documentation/documentary project focusing on work and industry in
the eastern portion of the Mohawk Valley next year. The products of
our project will certainly be useful to public school teachers -- and
I will make a point of announcing the completion of individual
videotapes on this list.
In the recent past, I consulted for the Rome Historical
Society, the Albany Institute of History and Art, and the Hall of History Foundation
in Schenectady on several industrial/economic history projects touching
on various aspects of 20th century Mohawk valley economic history;
these organizations have a considerable amount of
information on industries in their surrounding area.
There really is no good general overview of the Mohawk Valley as an
industrial community; one has to piece the story together from
various sources, including several late-19th and early 20th century general
histories (available in most large research libraries and in the NYS
Library). The Rome Historical Society has produced a lengthy exhibit
planning script that includes a great deal of general information about Rome's
economic history. For sources on 20th century Schenectady, contact me or George
Wise of the GE R&D Center in Niskayuna with more specific requests --
we're both quite familiar with Schenectady's industrial history (particularly
GE and ALCO). I'm also familiar with several studies (published and
unpublished) of: Amsterdam's carpet industry, the development of the "Mohawk
Valley Formula" by Remington Rand (a coordinated anti-organized labor propaganda
campaign that was later adopted by the Steel industry),
Canajoharie's Beech Nut company, and New York Mills near Utica..
I'm away from my office and my files right now, so I don't have
specific citations, but I'll be happy to post a modest bibliography
on Mohawk Valley industrial history on this list for Mr. Peterson and
other interested folks -- right after New Years. Gerry Zahavi.
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Could anyone tell me where the naturalization records for someone who became
a citizen in the Albany area and also in the Niagara Falls area be? The time
period in question would be between the 1840s and early 1860s. I really
appreciate any help that can be provided.
Bob Weston
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>Could anyone tell me where the naturalization records for someone who became
>a citizen in the Albany area and also in the Niagara Falls area be? The time
>period in question would be between the 1840s and early 1860s. I really
>appreciate any help that can be provided.
>
>Bob Weston
>
>The Albany County Hall of Records has naturalization records for Albany
from1827 to 1978 open to the public. We are located at 250 South Pearl
Street, Albany, NY 12202. Our phone number is 518-447-4500 and our
hours are 8:30 to 4:30 Monday to Friday..
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Albany County Hall of Records
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On Fri, 8 Dec 1995, Rick Friedline wrote:
> Did the original query include "old men's homes"? If so, you might want to
> look into various fraternal organizations retirement/old age homes. I know
> that the Masons have had such facilities for a very long time (at least back
> to the late 19th century) in many states. Other possibilities might be many
> of the insurance fraternals such as Woodmen of the World, Sons of Norway,
> Aid Association for Lutherans, Lutheran Brotherhood, etc.
> Rick Friedline -- U of Iowa
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Sorry, I know its a little late but I have a question on a place called
the Odd Fellows Home, in Stuyvesant NY.... A Thomas Edwards had once
worked there. On his grave head stone is engraved with
three chain links with the intials F L T inside. What does F L T stand
for?? Any history of this meaning????
Thanks, Tom
Chittenango, NY
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Tom asked:
Sorry, I know its a little late but I have a question on a place called
the Odd Fellows Home, in Stuyvesant NY.... A Thomas Edwards had once
worked there. On his grave head stone is engraved with
three chain links with the intials F L T inside. What does F L T stand
for?? Any history of this meaning????
The three chain links are the symbol for the Odd Fellows organization, and
if my memory serves me correctly, the FLT is fellowship, love, and truth.
I will check on that, if no one else comes up with the information. My
grandfather just died last month, and he was a long time member of the
organization. I think there is some literature, ect, in some of his
personal belongings that I haven't sorted thru yet.
dee
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