> Date sent: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 10:04:31 -0500 > From: [log in to unmask] (Benedict R Maryniak) > Subject: Grand Army Posts in NY > I've identified 832 Grand Army of the Republic posts as having been > organized within the Dept of New York betwen 1866 and 1948. To: Benedict Maryniak From: Rusty Logan I think it is incredible that you have discovered 832 GAR posts in New York. Here is Arkansas, we had around 110 GAR posts, many formed by Southern Unionists. Unfortunately, newspaper reporters and offical records keepers looked upon the GAR with such disdain that, based on my research in a few of the state's best archives, it's almost as if the GAR didn't exist. My question is, where should I look outside Arkansas for GAR records. I found a wealth of information at the Minnesota Historical Society, of all places. Is there an ancestral group such as the Sons of Veterans that has national membership rosters and the like. Someone, someplace, must hace kept track of the dues. Rusty Logan Arkansas Historic Preservation Program (Former NY resident) From [log in to unmask] Fri Dec 1 14:37:27 1995 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from scls1.suffolk.lib.ny.us by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA26306; Fri, 1 Dec 1995 14:37:26 -0500 Received: (from eburrows@localhost) by scls1.suffolk.lib.ny.us (8.6.12/8.6.6) id OAA17652; Fri, 1 Dec 1995 14:43:44 -0500 Date: Fri, 1 Dec 1995 14:43:44 -0500 (EST) From: Burrows <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Moving Day Message-Id: <Pine.SUN.3.91.951201144246.17245A-100000@scls1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII content-length: 559 I'm trying to identify the origins and earliest evidence of Moving Day in New York City. This was May 1, the date when residential and commercial leases expired and the streets filled with the wagons and carts of people moving to and fro. Graham Hodges, in his book on the cartmen, notes that May was the traditional English Carters' Day, and I've seen newspaper accounts of the uproar in the 1790s. There's also a reference to Moving Day in Senator William Maclay's Journal for 1790. Can anyone out there add more? Edwin G. Burrows Brooklyn College From [log in to unmask] Fri Dec 1 10:41:06 1995 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from unix5.nysed.gov by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA25334; Fri, 1 Dec 1995 10:41:06 -0500 Received: from museum.nysed.gov (dos90.nysed.gov) by unix5.nysed.gov (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA18760; Fri, 1 Dec 95 10:52:33 EST Received: from MUSEUM/SpoolDir by museum.nysed.gov (Mercury 1.21); 1 Dec 95 10:47:06 EDT Received: from SpoolDir by MUSEUM (Mercury 1.21); 1 Dec 95 10:46:48 EDT From: "Philip L. Lord" <[log in to unmask]> Organization: NYS Museum To: [log in to unmask] Date: Fri, 1 Dec 1995 10:46:45 EDT Subject: (Fwd) Tracing lost maps Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail v3.22 Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]> content-length: 1928 Forwarded message: From: Self <MUSEUM/PLORD> To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Tracing lost maps Date: Wed, 22 Nov 1995 12:54:04 Does anyone know of an effective method of putting out a search for lost cartography? In my research on early "canal" projects in New York in the Early Republic Period, I have been looking at the maps of Benjamin Wright, who was employed to survey rivers for navigation improvements as well lands to be subdivided in central and western New York State. His manuscript maps and field books, many of which are here in the State Library, have been very helpful and usually provide a very detailed image of the geography of these transport routes. I have numerous references in correspondence in the 1802-03 period to a map, or series of maps, he did of Wood Creek, Oneida County, in which he recorded both existing and proposed improvements to that stream for navigation. I have reconstructed the existing works, both in other documents and in the field, archeologically, but even though Wright cites the proposed improvements by letter, number, and landmark, there is no way to discover them without the map. Repeated attempts to locate the map and/or fieldbook have failed. At best, I hope it is tucked away, forgotten and misunderstood, in some archive or private collection somewhere. Another of his surveys from the same time period has been lost, in map form, but the field book was found and from that I was able to reconstruct the map. This other missing map would show a very small, twisting stream, with many sharp meanders and loops, with an intersecting stream from the north at the east margin and a large lake at the west margin. Is there a newsletter for collectors of historic cartography or other network that might provide the mechanism for this search? Philip Lord, Jr. Office of State History New York State Museum [log in to unmask] From [log in to unmask] Thu Nov 30 22:19:17 1995 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from dorsai.dorsai.org ([206.127.32.130]) by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA23855; Thu, 30 Nov 1995 22:19:17 -0500 Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 22:23:12 -0500 Received: from mh.dorsai.org (dorsai.dorsai.org) by dorsai.dorsai.org (5.67b/23Dec93-Dorsai Embassy) id AA11347; Thu, 30 Nov 1995 22:23:12 -0500 Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]> X-Sender: [log in to unmask] X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: [log in to unmask] From: [log in to unmask] (Sabra Maya Feldman) Subject: Re: Cooper's Mohicans content-length: 535 > I doubt there was ever actually a nation of "Mohicans," a name for which we have >Cooper and one or two careless 18th-century spellers to thank. Mark Twain wrote a bitingly funny essay entitled something like "The Literary Faults of James Fenimore Cooper" in which he takes venomous delight in pointing out all the *other* things Cooper got wrong. Even if, like me, you've never read _The Last of the Mohicans_(and after reading Twain's piece you probably won't be able to), this is good stuff. --Sabra Feldman [log in to unmask] From [log in to unmask] Fri Dec 1 19:03:54 1995 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from MAIL.NYSED.GOV by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA27278; Fri, 1 Dec 1995 19:03:53 -0500 Received: from SEDDOM1-Message_Server by MAIL.NYSED.GOV with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 01 Dec 1995 13:40:59 -0500 Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]> X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Fri, 01 Dec 1995 13:42:29 -0500 From: Bill Evans <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask] Subject: books content-length: 1068 The item below, from another list, may be of interest to many bibliomaniacs Subject: University Presses US university presses: 65,000 book titles on-line An new global resource for scholars, librarians, writers, students, and book buyers has just been unveiled on the Internet by the Association of American University Presses (AAUP). The AAUP On-line Catalog contains fully searchable bibliographic data and descriptive text from more than fifty scholarly publishers. Currently, 65,000-plus titles are represented, and this number is expected to climb rapidly to more than 100,000 titles from nearly 100 presses. The entire contents of the on-line catalog can be searched over the Internet by author, title, keywords, and Library of Congress subject headings. Searches can also be confined to specific subject areas or individual publishers. Access this resource via the World Wide Web or Gopher at: //aaup.princeton.edu or //press-gopher.uchicago.edu From [log in to unmask] Fri Dec 1 20:41:21 1995 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from rullt1.LeidenUniv.nl by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA27509; Fri, 1 Dec 1995 20:41:19 -0500 Received: from rullet.LeidenUniv.nl by rullet.LeidenUniv.nl (PMDF V4.2-11 #2497) id <[log in to unmask]>; Sat, 2 Dec 1995 02:45:58 MET Date: Sat, 02 Dec 1995 02:45:58 +0100 (MET) From: Jaap Jacobs <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: Moving Day To: [log in to unmask] Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]> X-Envelope-To: [log in to unmask] X-Vms-To: IN%"[log in to unmask]" X-Vms-Cc: JAJACOBS Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT content-length: 663 May 1st was the traditional Moving Day in New York as early as the seventeenth century. In fact, it was the traditional day in most cities in Hollad and it can be traced back into the sixteenth century. So it is hardly surprising that it was also in use in New Amsterdam. I remember finding some references to leases ending by that date, but I would have to search for specific examples. My guess is that in B.Fernow, Records of New Amsterdam from 1653 to 1674 (7 vols, New York 1897, reprinted Baltimore 1897) some references could be found. Be aware, however, this is one of the worst translations in existence. Jaap Jacobs Leiden University The Netherlands From [log in to unmask] Fri Dec 1 21:56:26 1995 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from eutectic.stlcop.edu by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA27642; Fri, 1 Dec 1995 21:56:25 -0500 Received: (from huucp@localhost) by eutectic.stlcop.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id WAA02357 for [log in to unmask]; Fri, 1 Dec 1995 22:02:29 -0500 Received: from helix.stlcop.edu with uucp; Sat,, Dec 2 mote 1995 03:00:01 Received: by helix.stlcop.edu (wcGATE v4) id 40031W Sat, 2 Dec 1995 03:00:01 GMT From: [log in to unmask] (Kenneth Blume) Subject: Re: Cooper's Mohicans Date: Sat, 2 Dec 1995 02:48:23 GMT Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]> Organization: St. Louis College of Pharmacy To: [log in to unmask] content-length: 606 It's astonishing to me that Ms. Sabra Feldman would admit that she has never read "The Last of the Mohicans" but would at the same time recommend Twain's discredited (if amusing) essay as some sort of authoritative piece on Cooper. Modern Cooper scholars have made a convincing case for Cooper's sophisticated understanding of Native American culture. I hope that Ms. Feldman reads the study by Prof. John Engell of San Jose State U, when it comes out (hopefully in the near future). Kenneth J. Blume Assoc. Prof. of Humanities Albany College of Pharmacy Albany, NY cc: [log in to unmask] From [log in to unmask] Sat Dec 2 06:52:18 1995 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from mail04.mail.aol.com by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA28187; Sat, 2 Dec 1995 06:52:17 -0500 Received: by mail04.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id GAA08197 for [log in to unmask]; Sat, 2 Dec 1995 06:56:13 -0500 Date: Sat, 2 Dec 1995 06:56:13 -0500 From: [log in to unmask] Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: Immigration Passenger Lists content-length: 265 Julia; Most of the large libraries (Surely the NY library in Albany) has lists of what you are looking for. I know here in Ft Wayne, the public library has the second largest genealogy dept. where we can find the information needed for passengers coming in. Esther From [log in to unmask] Sat Dec 2 06:52:39 1995 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from emout06.mail.aol.com by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA28204; Sat, 2 Dec 1995 06:52:38 -0500 Received: by emout06.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id GAA12513 for [log in to unmask]; Sat, 2 Dec 1995 06:56:39 -0500 Date: Sat, 2 Dec 1995 06:56:39 -0500 From: [log in to unmask] Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: password etc. content-length: 465 Well folks, when will this be in operation when we can use the password? Just what type of interactive info will this be? Just wondered. I am enjoying this newsgroup though. Been receiving a lot of useful info and enjoy the many views and interests of the other members of this group. I also hope that Terry Deline didn't feel he was put upon, because I begged to differ with him. I appreciated his input and I hope he sends in his views again. Esther from Indiana From [log in to unmask] Sat Dec 2 13:10:57 1995 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from gpwsmtp.arch2.nara.gov by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA28789; Sat, 2 Dec 1995 13:10:51 -0500 Received: from NARA-Message_Server by gpwsmtp.arch2.nara.gov with Novell_GroupWise; Sat, 02 Dec 1995 13:16:13 -0500 Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]> X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Sat, 02 Dec 1995 13:15:34 -0500 From: Claire Kluskens <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: Immigration Passenger Lists -Reply content-length: 389 Forget the Ellis Island Foundation. The records you are looking for, you can see either at the National Archives (in New York City, or Washington, DC, for example) or order in to your local "Mormon" family history center. Read Robert Morris' message to this listserv; he knows what he's talking about as he is the Director of the National Archives Regional Archives in New York City. From [log in to unmask] Sun Dec 3 12:51:59 1995 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA00515; Sun, 3 Dec 1995 12:51:58 -0500 Message-Id: <9512031751.AA00515@unix10> Received: from CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU by CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU (IBM VM SMTP V2R3) with BSMTP id 0366; Sun, 03 Dec 95 12:55:35 EST Received: from CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU (NJE origin MEJGC@CUNYVM) by CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with RFC822 id 0893; Sun, 3 Dec 1995 12:54:56 -0500 Date: Sun, 03 Dec 95 12:50:56 EST From: Julie Miller <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: (Fwd) Tracing lost maps To: [log in to unmask] In-Reply-To: Message of Fri, 1 Dec 1995 10:46:45 EDT from <[log in to unmask]> content-length: 595 You might try looking in RLIN (Research Libraries Information Network) in the AMC file, which lists archival and manuscript collections. During the 1970s and 1980s the Historical Documents Inventory, then based at Cornell, now at the New York State Library, entered descriptions of collections at many small archives, libraries, and historical societies throughout New York State. It could be that some fragment of your cartographer's papers might turn up listed in the collections of one of these more obscure repositories. You can usually find RLIN at large public or university libraries. From [log in to unmask] Sun Dec 3 13:01:07 1995 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from center.colgate.edu (colgate.edu) by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA00562; Sun, 3 Dec 1995 13:01:06 -0500 Received: from CENTER.COLGATE.EDU by CENTER.COLGATE.EDU (PMDF V4.3-10 #6592) id <[log in to unmask]>; Sun, 03 Dec 1995 13:06:18 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 03 Dec 1995 13:06:18 -0500 (EST) From: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: Moving Day To: [log in to unmask] Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]> X-Vms-To: IN%"[log in to unmask]" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT content-length: 188 Dear Edwin Burroughs, You might consult a later article that I did on Moving Day: "May-Day in Early New York City," Seaport Magazine, 21:4 (Spring, 1988), 29-34.Good luck, Graham Hodges From [log in to unmask] Mon Dec 4 09:51:58 1995 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from unix5.nysed.gov by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA02928; Mon, 4 Dec 1995 09:51:58 -0500 Received: from museum.nysed.gov (dos90.nysed.gov) by unix5.nysed.gov (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA24380; Mon, 4 Dec 95 10:03:31 EST Received: from MUSEUM/SpoolDir by museum.nysed.gov (Mercury 1.21); 4 Dec 95 09:58:05 EDT Received: from SpoolDir by MUSEUM (Mercury 1.21); 4 Dec 95 09:57:56 EDT From: "Philip L. Lord" <[log in to unmask]> Organization: NYS Museum To: [log in to unmask] Date: Mon, 4 Dec 1995 09:57:53 EDT Subject: Historical Geography internships Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail v3.22 Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]> content-length: 1733 I am organzing two sets of internships in historical geography for the coming 10 months. Interns will work in the New York State Museum's "Durham Project", focused on inland transport systems using waterways and waterway corridors during the Early Republic Period [essentially 1790-1820]. Internships can be conducted as concise, well-defined projects, suitable for a report if needed, or can be parts of a broader research process without closure. In either case, skills development in using documentary clues, remote sensing evidence, and field [landscape] evidence, will be one goal of the experience. Interns will be able to integrate the use of the 1,600 document project archive, a collection of early stereo air photos, videotapes of aerial reconnaissance surveys, microfilmed 18th century correspondence collections, and maps and documents in the State Library and State Archives, also located in this building. Spring term internships: 4 slots, with two filled at present. Start in mid-late-January and end in May. Summer internships: 6 slots, all open. Start in June and end in September, with potential of carry-over projects in the Fall term for local students. No funding in support of these internships is available. Interested students should send me a letter describing themselves, their interests [career; research subjects; geographic areas], a description of the course under which they will claim credit, and the time period available. They should also provide telephone number, fax number, e-mail address and mail address. I will return project information. Philip Lord, Jr. Office of State History New York State Museum Albany, NY 12230 (518) 486-2037 [log in to unmask] From [log in to unmask] Mon Dec 4 12:28:00 1995 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from MAIL.NYSED.GOV by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA04941; Mon, 4 Dec 1995 12:28:00 -0500 Message-Id: <9512041728.AA04941@unix10> Received: from SEDDOM1-Message_Server by MAIL.NYSED.GOV with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 04 Dec 1995 12:32:42 -0500 Received: from VM1.NODAK.EDU by VM1.NoDak.EDU (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 7850; Fri, 01 Dec 95 12:08:18 CST Received: from VM1.NODAK.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@NDSUVM1) by VM1.NODAK.EDU (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 5852; Fri, 1 Dec 1995 12:06:01 -0600 Date: Fri, 1 Dec 1995 12:00:25 CST Reply-To: [log in to unmask] Sender: NEW-LIST - New List Announcements <[log in to unmask]> From: Taylor Roberts <[log in to unmask]> Subject: CHANGE: TWAIN-L - Mark Twain Forum Comments: cc: Rick Broadhead <[log in to unmask]> To: Multiple recipients of list NEW-LIST <[log in to unmask]> content-length: 1964 Forwarded mail received from: SEDWPO:SEDDOM1:SEDDOM1.SMTP:"[log in to unmask]" As there has been discussion on the beloved New York (as well as Missouri, California and Connecticut) author, Mark Twain; I thought some might be interested in the attached. 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For more information send e-mail to [log in to unmask] with the command GET NEW-LIST README in the body. mgh From [log in to unmask] Mon Dec 4 12:52:37 1995 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from IRIS.RFMH.ORG (rfmh.org) by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA05085; Mon, 4 Dec 1995 12:52:34 -0500 Message-Id: <9512041752.AA05085@unix10> Received: from IRIS.RFMH.ORG by IRIS.RFMH.ORG (IBM VM SMTP V2R3) with BSMTP id 9329; Mon, 04 Dec 95 12:34:12 EST Received: from iris.rfmh.org (NJE origin MHMARTIN@NKI) by IRIS.RFMH.ORG (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 6265; Mon, 4 Dec 1995 12:34:12 -0500 Date: Mon, 04 Dec 95 11:49:32 EST From: Dan Martin <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: Cooper's Mohicans To: [log in to unmask] In-Reply-To: Message of Sat, 2 Dec 1995 02:48:23 GMT from <[log in to unmask]> content-length: 2263 Hello all, It's one of those coincidences that occur in life... Yesterday's Albany Times Union had an article about Mohicans protesting the construction of WalMart's on what they consider to be their ancestral ground. It's allegedly going to be located on Catskill Creek, a few miles from the town of Catskill. According to the article, participants in the protest came from as far away as Wisconsin, but also, there were some who alleged to be part of a band in Rensselaer County. Apparently, as the result of an archaeoligical dig done at the site, artifacts were found of an encampment at least 1000 years old. No human remains were found however. The Mohicans claim that this is sacred land to them, since their ancestors occupied this land. This brings me to another point which I throw out for discussion. A few years ago a buddy of mine told me about a Peace Pagoda that was built near the site of Grafton State Park in Rensselaer County. It is located on Route 2 which is know as the Mohawk/Taconic Trail. This Peace Pagoda was built by Buddhist Monks who apparently tour the world and build these structures. One of their criteria is that the Pagoda be built near or at a place of death, for example, a battlefield. Now my buddy (who has a construction company and helped the folks out with some material and tools) told me that early on, when they were laying the foundation, a small group of Mohawks showed up and said that this was sacred ground to them because there were people buried there and they wanted to make sure that the graves were not being disturbed. My buddy also told me that, while walking around the site one day, he happened to look down a hill and noticed that from his vantage point, he realised that rocks, which were seemingly just laying there, were actually laid to form a turtle. It struck me that the Mohawks had probably held this site in their memory for hundreds of years by means of an oral tradition, and I wonder if maybe this thing with the Mohicans could be the same. BTW, does anyone know of a battle fought at the Grafton site ? My guess is that it was between natives and may even have pre-dated the appearance of Europeans. Daniel Martin PS, if anyone is interested, I can type in the Mohican article. From [log in to unmask] Mon Dec 4 16:11:21 1995 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from eutectic.stlcop.edu by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA05725; Mon, 4 Dec 1995 16:11:20 -0500 Received: (from huucp@localhost) by eutectic.stlcop.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id QAA29388 for [log in to unmask]; Mon, 4 Dec 1995 16:17:29 -0500 Received: from helix.stlcop.edu with uucp; Mon,, Dec 4 mote 1995 21:15:02 Received: by helix.stlcop.edu (wcGATE v4) id 40593W Mon, 4 Dec 1995 21:15:02 GMT From: [log in to unmask] (Kenneth Blume) Subject: Cooper Date: Mon, 4 Dec 1995 21:13:27 GMT Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]> Organization: St. Louis College of Pharmacy Return-Receipt-To: [log in to unmask] To: [log in to unmask] content-length: 253 "Sour pedantry"? Is it "pedantry" to suggest that one have read the work that one is judging? Sense of humor has nothing to do with this issue. If you'll note, I allowed as how the Twain piece IS amusing. It's just not accurate literary criticism. From [log in to unmask] Mon Dec 4 18:42:46 1995 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from genesis.nylink.org (genesis.wnet.org) by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA05928; Mon, 4 Dec 1995 18:42:46 -0500 Received: by genesis.nylink.org (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA03506; Mon, 4 Dec 1995 18:46:21 -0500 From: [log in to unmask] Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Execution Rock To: [log in to unmask] Date: Mon, 4 Dec 1995 18:46:21 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Content-Type: text content-length: 82 Does anyone know why Execution Rock in New York Harbor is so named? Bonnie Davis From [log in to unmask] Mon Dec 4 18:55:43 1995 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from emout05.mail.aol.com by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA05992; Mon, 4 Dec 1995 18:55:37 -0500 Received: by emout05.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id SAA09989 for [log in to unmask]; Mon, 4 Dec 1995 18:59:41 -0500 Date: Mon, 4 Dec 1995 18:59:41 -0500 From: [log in to unmask] Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: Grand Army Posts in NY content-length: 324 Have you tried the American Legion? I believe you will find that the American Legion was formed following WWI and essentially continued the activities of the GAR since, by 1920, most Civil War vets were 70+. In some (maybe many) cases, the GAR posts became AmLeg posts continuing their name, buildings, etc. Walt Steesy From [log in to unmask] Mon Dec 4 21:36:07 1995 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from ns1.indirect.com by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA06309; Mon, 4 Dec 1995 21:36:06 -0500 Received: from s36.tucslip.indirect.com (s57.tucslip.indirect.com [165.247.101.57]) by ns1.indirect.com (8.6.12/8.6.6) with SMTP id TAA04320 for <[log in to unmask]>; Mon, 4 Dec 1995 19:40:43 -0700 Date: Mon, 4 Dec 1995 19:40:43 -0700 Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]> X-Sender: [log in to unmask] X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: [log in to unmask] From: Al Covell <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Looking for information content-length: 401 In reading through some old records I found mention of a term that I've never heard before. A portion of the sentance read as follows: they moved and settled in an area populated by "Mohawk Dutch". I have no idea of the meaning of this phrase, where it came from or when it came about. I'd appreciate any help in learning more about it. My apologies should it be, in ant way, derogatory to anyone. From [log in to unmask] Tue Dec 5 16:03:02 1995 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from unix5.nysed.gov by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA09281; Tue, 5 Dec 1995 16:03:02 -0500 Received: from museum.nysed.gov (dos90.nysed.gov) by unix5.nysed.gov (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA00853; Tue, 5 Dec 95 16:14:35 EST Received: from MUSEUM/SpoolDir by museum.nysed.gov (Mercury 1.21); 5 Dec 95 16:09:10 EDT Received: from SpoolDir by MUSEUM (Mercury 1.21); 5 Dec 95 16:08:43 EDT From: "Philip L. Lord" <[log in to unmask]> Organization: NYS Museum To: [log in to unmask] Date: Tue, 5 Dec 1995 16:08:42 EDT Subject: Computer aided map drawing Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail v3.22 Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]> content-length: 773 I am looking for someone who has had a positive experience with a PC driven map drawing software package. I am not thinking of a mini-GIS system, where basic geographic data are entered over a matrix which often gives up illustrative detail and expression for accuracy. I am really looking for a product that will produce a readable map with much of the detailing one normally gets from an illustrator/cartographer, such as shaded terrain, patterning for ground covers, drop-in elements like trees, etc. And the end product has to be publication ready. So far the programs I have seen that do "everything" are too complex, cumbersome, and often require exceptional hardware support. Suggestions? Philip Lord, Jr. New York State Museum [log in to unmask] From [log in to unmask] Tue Dec 5 16:53:28 1995 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from postoffice4.mail.cornell.edu by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA09368; Tue, 5 Dec 1995 16:53:27 -0500 Received: from [132.236.102.77] (CU-DIALUP-0063.CIT.CORNELL.EDU [132.236.102.77]) by postoffice4.mail.cornell.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id QAA08016 for <[log in to unmask]>; Tue, 5 Dec 1995 16:57:24 -0500 Date: Tue, 5 Dec 1995 16:57:24 -0500 X-Sender: [log in to unmask] Message-Id: <v0212000200dde00eab2a@[132.236.102.19]> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: [log in to unmask] From: [log in to unmask] (carol kammen) Subject: old ladies homes content-length: 567 I am interested in Old Ladies Homes -- those places to which elderly women without family to care for them could go, usually by willing whatever property and goods they owned -- and be cared for for life. I know there was one in Ithaca, founded in the 1880s, by the Ladies Union Benevolent Society. And there is one in Rochester. [I take it there was little need for Old Men's Homes as elderly men could always remarry and thus get care.] Does anyone know of other Old Ladies' Homes of this sort around the state? with appreciation, carol kammen From [log in to unmask] Tue Dec 5 19:12:53 1995 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from emout05.mail.aol.com by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA09496; Tue, 5 Dec 1995 19:12:52 -0500 Received: by emout05.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id TAA26308 for [log in to unmask]; Tue, 5 Dec 1995 19:16:54 -0500 Date: Tue, 5 Dec 1995 19:16:54 -0500 From: [log in to unmask] Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: Immigration Passenger Lis... content-length: 232 You can also find the passenger lists at the National Archives located near Pittsfield, MA. If you need more info, call me at the Albany Institute on Wed. at 463-4478. Abbie Verner Albany Institute of History & Art [log in to unmask] From [log in to unmask] Wed Dec 6 11:13:45 1995 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from IRIS.RFMH.ORG (rfmh.org) by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA11150; Wed, 6 Dec 1995 11:13:44 -0500 Message-Id: <9512061613.AA11150@unix10> Received: from IRIS.RFMH.ORG by IRIS.RFMH.ORG (IBM VM SMTP V2R3) with BSMTP id 2574; Wed, 06 Dec 95 11:16:38 EST Received: from iris.rfmh.org (NJE origin MHMARTIN@NKI) by IRIS.RFMH.ORG (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 3943; Wed, 6 Dec 1995 11:16:38 -0500 Date: Wed, 06 Dec 95 11:11:26 EST From: Dan Martin <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: old ladies homes To: [log in to unmask] In-Reply-To: Message of Tue, 5 Dec 1995 16:57:24 -0500 from <[log in to unmask]> content-length: 290 There is a home of that type on Madison Avenue in Albany. My wife worked for them briefly. The deal was that they basically signed over everything they had and the place provided a home and health care. I think they are called Good Samaritan. They also have a branch in Delmar. Dan Martin From [log in to unmask] Wed Dec 6 13:33:44 1995 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from MAIL.NYSED.GOV by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA11525; Wed, 6 Dec 1995 13:33:43 -0500 Received: from SEDDOM1-Message_Server by MAIL.NYSED.GOV with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 06 Dec 1995 13:39:40 -0500 Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]> X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Wed, 06 Dec 1995 13:35:56 -0500 From: John Meierhoffer <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask] Subject: I have used a product produced by DeLorme called MapExpert. It builds on their CD content-length: 1332 I have used a product produced by DeLorme called MapExpert. It builds on their CD ROM based Street Atlas of the United States. It gives you the ability to create an overlay on which you can place text, symbols, notes, lines and polygons. It allows only one overlay level which can be frustrating at times. Maps can be printed at various scales up to 1:5,000 There would be copyright issues in that the maps would incorporate DeLorme's base map. I can show you examples if you wish. John Meierhoffer [log in to unmask] New York State Education Dept 518 474 0355 Rm 5D45 Cultural Ed Center FAX 518 474 1907 Albany NY 12230 >>> Philip L. Lord <[log in to unmask]> 12/05/95 03:08pm >>> I am looking for someone who has had a positive experience with a PC driven map drawing software package. .... I am really looking for a product that will produce a readable map with much of the detailing one normally gets from an illustrator/cartographer, such as shaded terrain, patterning for ground covers, drop-in elements like trees, etc. And the end product has to be publication ready. So far the programs I have seen that do "everything" are too complex, cumbersome, and often require exceptional hardware support. Suggestions? Philip Lord, Jr. New York State Museum [log in to unmask] From [log in to unmask] Wed Dec 6 13:39:14 1995 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from mail02.mail.aol.com by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA11548; Wed, 6 Dec 1995 13:39:13 -0500 Received: by mail02.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id NAA04563 for [log in to unmask]; Wed, 6 Dec 1995 13:43:13 -0500 Date: Wed, 6 Dec 1995 13:43:13 -0500 From: [log in to unmask] Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: Execution Rock/Folklore content-length: 277 The folklore is that during the Revolutionary War, American prisoners were chained to the base of the rock at low tide and were drowned when the tide came in. I heard this story when I was a child in the late 50s, but I don't know the real history. Nancy Groce New York City From [log in to unmask] Wed Dec 6 14:24:31 1995 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from MAIL.NYSED.GOV by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA11771; Wed, 6 Dec 1995 14:24:30 -0500 Received: from SEDDOM1-Message_Server by MAIL.NYSED.GOV with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 06 Dec 1995 14:30:29 -0500 Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]> X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Wed, 06 Dec 1995 14:29:51 -0500 From: Bill Evans <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask] Subject: editorial content-length: 1232 This weeks editorial intrusion. As we look over the messages from our perch here in the capital city it seems as though many of the messages are personal or, as we say in the bureaucracy, "individual specific." Meaning they are not meant for the whole list. So when you receive a message sent through the list and you select the "reply" feature on your program, you are replying to the list in toto. That is several hundred persons. Thus if you want to say "Thanks, Bill" or "Do the taxpayers really know your up there?", send it direct - not to the list. The problem though is more difficult, isn't it? Where do you get the individual's address? The answer is hopefully from the original message which means include your e-mail address at the end of the message so people can write to you directly. Remember when you reply to the whole list your taking up band width which is time which is money. On the other hand the most valuable information on this list is the replies to questions. That is really what it is all about - just take time to think a second as to whether or not more than one person is going to profit by your answer. Bill Evans for NYHIST-L [log in to unmask] gov (see, I remembered to do it) From [log in to unmask] Wed Dec 6 15:01:45 1995 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from VAXB.CLARION.EDU ([192.149.203.3]) by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA11907; Wed, 6 Dec 1995 15:01:41 -0500 Date: Wed, 6 Dec 1995 15:04:41 -0500 (EST) From: PATRICK MCGREEVY <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask] Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]> Subject: RE: Historical Geography internships content-length: 357 PC mapping software: For MACs: ATLAS/MAPMAKER is easy to learn and use For PCs: MAPINFO, not as easy For the real expert, contact: the Chair of the Microcomputer Group of the Association of American Geographers: Paul Anderson (Ill. State): [log in to unmask] This group can tell you where to get inexpensive software; they even can provide some for free! From [log in to unmask] Wed Dec 6 16:31:16 1995 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from LIBVAX1.MIDYORK.LIB.NY.US (LIBVAX1.2.247.198.IN-ADDR.ARPA) by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA12333; Wed, 6 Dec 1995 16:31:15 -0500 Date: Wed, 6 Dec 1995 16:33:45 GMT From: [log in to unmask] To: [log in to unmask] Cc: [log in to unmask] Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]> Subject: RE: old ladies homes content-length: 291 There was an Old Ladies Home in Mohawk, NY which is now called the Moahk Homestead. I don't know the history but I'm glad they changed the name. There were no Old Men's homes because the stronger sex usually died before their wives. 8-) Mary Lou Caskey, Mid-York Library System, Utica, NY From [log in to unmask] Wed Dec 6 19:37:19 1995 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from genesis.nylink.org (genesis.wnet.org) by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA12635; Wed, 6 Dec 1995 19:37:18 -0500 Received: by genesis.nylink.org (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA09327; Wed, 6 Dec 1995 19:40:24 -0500 From: [log in to unmask] Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]> Subject: T Typhoid Mary To: [log in to unmask] Date: Wed, 6 Dec 1995 19:40:24 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Content-Type: text content-length: 115 Who knows the last known address of Typhoid Mary. Was it North Brothers in East River in NY? Thanks Bonnie Davis From [log in to unmask] Wed Dec 6 21:26:19 1995 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from dorsai.dorsai.org (amanda.dorsai.org) by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA12879; Wed, 6 Dec 1995 21:26:18 -0500 Date: Wed, 6 Dec 1995 21:30:12 -0500 Received: from mh.dorsai.org (amanda.dorsai.org) by dorsai.dorsai.org (5.67b/23Dec93-Dorsai Embassy) id AA24833; Wed, 6 Dec 1995 21:30:12 -0500 Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]> X-Sender: [log in to unmask] X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: [log in to unmask] From: [log in to unmask] (Sabra Maya Feldman) Subject: Re: old ladies homes content-length: 541 Carol-- There may be one in Glens Falls, across the street from the Eden Park Nursing Home. The latter's address and phone are: 170 Warren Street, Glens Falls, 12801; (518) 793-5163. Perhaps calling Eden Park and asking what the big old "home" across the street is would elicit some information (you don't mean the museum, which is across Warren Street, but the grand old building across the side street from them). There was a wonderful old ladies' home in my home town, but that's several states away. Good luck. --Sabra [log in to unmask] From [log in to unmask] Wed Dec 6 19:46:06 1995 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from mail06.mail.aol.com by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA12684; Wed, 6 Dec 1995 19:46:01 -0500 Received: by mail06.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id TAA28218 for [log in to unmask]; Wed, 6 Dec 1995 19:50:04 -0500 Date: Wed, 6 Dec 1995 19:50:04 -0500 From: [log in to unmask] Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Royal Grants - Herkimer County, NY content-length: 176 Could one of your members help with the location and relevance of the "Royal Grants" supposedly in or near Herkimer County NY Thank you, Donna Younkin Logan, [log in to unmask] From [log in to unmask] Thu Dec 7 10:16:00 1995 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from Aldus.NorthNet.org by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA14075; Thu, 7 Dec 1995 10:15:59 -0500 Received: by Aldus.NorthNet.org (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA17330; Thu, 7 Dec 95 10:19:35 EST Date: Thu, 7 Dec 1995 10:19:34 -0500 (EST) From: Laura Lynne Scharer <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: old ladies homes In-Reply-To: <v0212000200dde00eab2a@[132.236.102.19]> Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII content-length: 1085 On Tue, 5 Dec 1995, carol kammen wrote: > Does anyone know of other Old Ladies' Homes of this sort around the > state? The Henry Keep Home in Watertown, NY was founded in the 1870's for the care of the "indigent elderly". This turned out to be elderly ladies from good families who had no one else to care from them and/or had fallen on hard times. The home was founded by Emma Keep Schley, sister-in-law of NY State Gov. Roswell P. Flower. When her first husband, Henry Keep, a wealthy financier, died in the mid 1870s Emma spent ca. $100,000 on his mausoleum. Supposedly she didn't think it was right to spend so much on the dead without spending an equal amount on the living so... she purchased a couple of the most important commercial buildings in downtown Watertown and used the rents to finance the home. The home still exists. It was acquired by the House of the Good Samaitan hospital (now the Samaritan Medical Center) which was next door. Its now called the Samaritan-Keep Home. Laura Lynne Scharer Jefferson County Historian [log in to unmask] From [log in to unmask] Thu Dec 7 13:34:54 1995 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from mail02.mail.aol.com by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA14514; Thu, 7 Dec 1995 13:34:53 -0500 Received: by mail02.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id NAA09759 for [log in to unmask]; Thu, 7 Dec 1995 13:38:58 -0500 Date: Thu, 7 Dec 1995 13:38:58 -0500 From: [log in to unmask] Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Government publications for sale content-length: 582 Would your organization be interested in a list of U. S. Government publications which are for sale from the U.S. Government Printing Office? For instance, a publication which has just been released is: "With Courage: The United States Army Air Forces in World War II." (Clothbound) - S/N 008-070-00663-4, $31.00. Check, money order, VISA or Mastercard orders to phone: 719-544-3142, fax: 719-544-6719. Mailing address: U. S. Government Bookstore, Norwest Banks Building, 201 W. 8th St., Pueblo, CO 81003. We are a nonprofit U. S. Government agency. Alene Pichler, Manager From [log in to unmask] Thu Dec 7 15:07:41 1995 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from MAIL.NYSED.GOV by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA14723; Thu, 7 Dec 1995 15:07:40 -0500 Received: from SEDDOM1-Message_Server by MAIL.NYSED.GOV with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 07 Dec 1995 15:14:06 -0500 Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]> X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Thu, 07 Dec 1995 15:12:05 -0500 From: Bill Evans <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Government publications for sale -Reply content-length: 99 A.P. Is it possible to get a list of USGPO publications on-line? Bill Evans [log in to unmask] From [log in to unmask] Thu Dec 7 18:14:59 1995 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from lucas.emi.com (emi.com) by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA15169; Thu, 7 Dec 1995 18:14:58 -0500 Received: from localhost ([167.152.13.10]) by lucas.emi.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id SAA19034 for <[log in to unmask]>; Thu, 7 Dec 1995 18:15:46 -0500 Received: by localhost (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 1.3.14/2.12um) id AA0036; Thu, 07 Dec 95 18:18:03 -0800 Message-Id: <9512080218.AA0036@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 07 Dec 95 17:53:57 +0000 From: [log in to unmask] To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: Mohawk Dutch X-Mailer: Ultimedia Mail/2 Lite, IBM T. J. Watson Research Center Content-Id: <35_54_1_818376837> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit content-length: 1026 Hi, Al... I saw the term "Mohawk Dutch" in the book, "The Mohawk" by Codman Hislop, but it was not defined specifically. Sir William Johnson referred to his neighbors around Johnstown as the "Mohawk Dutch", saying that they were very stubborn and resistant to change. His neighbors were a mixture of Dutch from Schenectady/Albany who had moved out into the "Maquas Country" to escape the tenant farm system at Rennselaerswyck, and Palatines who had also taken up farming along the Mohawk River west of Schenectady. So, it is not clear to me whether the term applied to one of these groups or the other or both. I don't think the term had any hidden meaning, although the English colonials in New England and New York were quite contemptuous of the Dutch and the German Palatines, considering them a lower social class. Best I can do... did you get any other responses? BTW, my NYS ancestors were Dutch and Germans and were probably the folks to whom Sir William referred. George Peek [log in to unmask] From [log in to unmask] Fri Dec 8 08:31:39 1995 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from metgate.metro.org by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA16084; Fri, 8 Dec 1995 08:31:39 -0500 Received: from metgate.metro.org by metgate.metro.org; Fri, 8 Dec 95 08:30 EST Date: Fri, 8 Dec 1995 08:30:15 -0500 (EST) From: Mary Cordato <[log in to unmask]> X-Sender: abs2@metgate To: [log in to unmask] Cc: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: Government publications for sale In-Reply-To: <[log in to unmask]> Message-Id: <Pine.SV4.3.91.951208082945.16201A-100000@metgate> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII content-length: 733 How can we obtain a copy of the list? I'd like one. Mary [log in to unmask] On Thu, 7 Dec 1995 [log in to unmask] wrote: > Would your organization be interested in a list of U. S. Government > publications which are for sale from the U.S. Government Printing Office? > For instance, a publication which has just been released is: > "With Courage: The United States Army Air Forces in World War II." > (Clothbound) - S/N 008-070-00663-4, $31.00. Check, money order, VISA or > Mastercard orders to phone: 719-544-3142, fax: 719-544-6719. Mailing > address: U. S. Government Bookstore, Norwest Banks Building, 201 W. 8th St., > Pueblo, CO 81003. We are a nonprofit U. S. Government agency. Alene > Pichler, Manager > From [log in to unmask] Fri Dec 8 09:06:19 1995 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from emout04.mail.aol.com by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA16387; Fri, 8 Dec 1995 09:06:18 -0500 Received: by emout04.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id JAA17454 for [log in to unmask]; Fri, 8 Dec 1995 09:10:24 -0500 Date: Fri, 8 Dec 1995 09:10:24 -0500 From: [log in to unmask] Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: Mohawk Dutch content-length: 247 We have an early settlement on Palatine Germans in Ulster County around New Paltz area. they were hard working farmers. They settled along the Wallkill River which proved to be very fertile land. for further information send mail to CPeg at AOL From [log in to unmask] Fri Dec 8 10:25:17 1995 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from haven.ios.com by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA17700; Fri, 8 Dec 1995 10:25:16 -0500 Received: (from robertj@localhost) by haven.ios.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id KAA17155; Fri, 8 Dec 1995 10:02:33 -0500 Date: Fri, 8 Dec 1995 10:02:33 -0500 (EST) From: Robert Jenks <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: Government publications for sale In-Reply-To: <[log in to unmask]> Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII content-length: 793 Alene, Is this list available on the internet? Is there any plan for a system which would let one search by subject, title, etc? Bob Jenks On Thu, 7 Dec 1995 [log in to unmask] wrote: > Would your organization be interested in a list of U. S. Government > publications which are for sale from the U.S. Government Printing Office? > For instance, a publication which has just been released is: > "With Courage: The United States Army Air Forces in World War II." > (Clothbound) - S/N 008-070-00663-4, $31.00. Check, money order, VISA or > Mastercard orders to phone: 719-544-3142, fax: 719-544-6719. Mailing > address: U. S. Government Bookstore, Norwest Banks Building, 201 W. 8th St., > Pueblo, CO 81003. We are a nonprofit U. S. Government agency. Alene > Pichler, Manager > From [log in to unmask] Fri Dec 8 10:49:07 1995 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from Aldus.NorthNet.org by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA17754; Fri, 8 Dec 1995 10:49:06 -0500 Received: by Aldus.NorthNet.org (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA16846; Fri, 8 Dec 95 10:52:44 EST Date: Fri, 8 Dec 1995 10:52:44 -0500 (EST) From: Laura Lynne Scharer <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask] Subject: old ladies homes In-Reply-To: <[log in to unmask]> Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII content-length: 226 Two more "old ladies homes"; The Ladies Home in Oswego, NY and The Home in Baldwinsville. Both were established in the post-Civil War period. for more information contact Barbara Dix, Oswego County Historian at 349-8385. From [log in to unmask] Fri Dec 8 12:20:11 1995 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from MAIL.NYSED.GOV by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA18209; Fri, 8 Dec 1995 12:20:11 -0500 Received: from SEDDOM1-Message_Server by MAIL.NYSED.GOV with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 08 Dec 1995 12:27:19 -0500 Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]> X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Fri, 08 Dec 1995 12:23:42 -0500 From: Bill Evans <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask] Subject: old ladies homes -Reply content-length: 377 Carol; The New York State Veteran's Home at Oxford (Chenango Co.) was established in 1897 for aged and dependent veterans, their widows and their mothers and also army nurses who were NY residents. As time went on, the inhabitants were almost all old ladies. I would suspect that there is a lot of information locally about the institution. Bill Evans [log in to unmask] From [log in to unmask] Fri Dec 8 12:56:07 1995 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from iceland.it.earthlink.net by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA18379; Fri, 8 Dec 1995 12:56:06 -0500 Received: from LOCALNAME (Cust35.Max7.New-York.NY.DYNIP.ALTER.NET [153.37.37.35]) by iceland.it.earthlink.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id KAA28733 for <[log in to unmask]>; Fri, 8 Dec 1995 10:00:10 -0800 Date: Fri, 8 Dec 1995 10:00:10 -0800 Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]> X-Sender: [log in to unmask] X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: [log in to unmask] From: [log in to unmask] (Edward Knoblauch) Subject: Re: Royal Grants - Herkimer County, NY content-length: 1131 >Could one of your members help with the location and relevance of the "Royal >Grants" supposedly in or near Herkimer County NY > >Thank you, >Donna Younkin Logan, >[log in to unmask] > Dear Donna: "Royal Grants" is too broad a term. Prior to the Revolution all land in private hands in the Province of New York (excluding old Dutch claims) was granted by the representative of the Crown in New York, ie the Governor-general in Council. I count 31 different grants indexed in the Calender of endorsed land papers 1643-1803 as being granted by the Royal Government in what was to be Herkimer county. Prior to the Revolution what is now Herkimer County was part of Albany County until 1772, when Tyron County was erected under Provincial Government, which was renamed Montgomery County under State Government sometime after 1783. Herkimer County was erected long after Royal grants were made in this chunk of North America. I wonder if your source was confusing "Royal Grants" with the Kingsborough Patent granted to Sir William Johnson. The Kingsborough Patent was to the east of what is now Herkimer County. Edward H. Knoblauch From [log in to unmask] Fri Dec 8 13:51:48 1995 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from ns-mx.uiowa.edu by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA18558; Fri, 8 Dec 1995 13:51:47 -0500 Received: from ns-mx.uiowa.edu by ns-mx.uiowa.edu (8.6.10/19950309.1) on Fri, 8 Dec 1995 12:55:48 -0600 id MAA31314 with SMTP Date: Fri, 8 Dec 1995 12:55:48 -0600 Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]> X-Sender: [log in to unmask] X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.1.1 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: [log in to unmask] From: Rick Friedline <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: old ladies homes content-length: 491 Did the original query include "old men's homes"? If so, you might want to look into various fraternal organizations retirement/old age homes. I know that the Masons have had such facilities for a very long time (at least back to the late 19th century) in many states. Other possibilities might be many of the insurance fraternals such as Woodmen of the World, Sons of Norway, Aid Association for Lutherans, Lutheran Brotherhood, etc. Rick Friedline -- U of Iowa [log in to unmask] From [log in to unmask] Sat Dec 9 19:41:11 1995 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from mail02.mail.aol.com by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA20902; Sat, 9 Dec 1995 19:41:10 -0500 Received: by mail02.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id TAA11849 for [log in to unmask]; Sat, 9 Dec 1995 19:45:19 -0500 Date: Sat, 9 Dec 1995 19:45:19 -0500 From: [log in to unmask] Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: Loyalists Beverley Robinson and Oliver DeLancey, and G. Garth content-length: 1875 I am searching for information on George Garth, the British engineer who was at Crown Point, N.Y., from 1759 to 1761 and began construction of the British fortress there. Garth later evidently became a British brigadier general and led the raid on Connecticut in 1779. Back in England he became a full general and in 1791 became lieutenant governor of Placentia, Newfoundland. He died in May 1819, perhaps at Placentia. In his will Garth left his property to the children of Mrs. Anne Robinson of Beverley, Yorkshire. These were George Garth Robinson, William Wilson Robinson, and Mary Anne Sophia Robinson. In a codicil he included a grand daughter, Ercandaphilia Robinson. I am assuming Mrs. Anne Robinson of Beverley was the wife of Beverley Robinson, Jr., of the Loyal American Regiment that was commanded by his father. Beverley, Jr., married Anne Dorothea Barclay in 1778, and he went to New Brunswick with at least three of his sons. Sabine says that his wife Anne died at Beverley, Yorkshire, England, in 1814. I assume then that Beverley Robinson, Jr., was separated from his wife, Anne. Their children as listed by Sabine do not include the three children of Mrs. Anne Robinson listed in George Garth's will. Were those George Garth's children, or were there two Mrs. Anne Robinsons living at Beverley, Yorkshire, at the same time? Has there been any detailed research on the Beverley Robinson family to determine why Mrs. Anne Robinson went to Beverley, Yorkshire, if her husband was not with her and why George Garth took a special interest in her? Another Loyalist, Oliver DeLancey, also died at Beverley, Yorkshire. Presumably he was there with Mrs. Anne (Barclay) Robinson. Oliver's son Stephen had married Cornelia Barclay in 1773, and Thomas H. Barclay had married Susan DeLancey in 1775, thus indicating family connections. From [log in to unmask] Sat Dec 9 17:51:56 1995 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from limestone.kosone.com by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA20786; Sat, 9 Dec 1995 17:51:55 -0500 Received: from ki-ppp11.kosone.com by limestone.kosone.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA01584; Sat, 9 Dec 95 17:48:34 EST Date: Sat, 9 Dec 95 17:48:34 EST Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]> X-Sender: [log in to unmask] X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: [log in to unmask] From: [log in to unmask] (terry deline) Subject: Re: Mohawk Dutch content-length: 1370 >Hi, Al... > I saw the term "Mohawk Dutch" in the book, "The Mohawk" by >Codman Hislop, but it was not defined specifically. Sir >William Johnson referred to his neighbors around Johnstown as >the "Mohawk Dutch", saying that they were very stubborn and >resistant to change. His neighbors were a mixture of Dutch from >Schenectady/Albany who had moved out into the "Maquas Country" >to escape the tenant farm system at Rennselaerswyck, and >Palatines who had also taken up farming along the Mohawk River >west of Schenectady. > So, it is not clear to me whether the term applied to one >of these groups or the other or both. I don't think the term >had any hidden meaning, although the English colonials in New >England and New York were quite contemptuous of the Dutch and >the German Palatines, considering them a lower social class. > Best I can do... did you get any other responses? BTW, my >NYS ancestors were Dutch and Germans and were probably the >folks to whom Sir William referred. > >George Peek >[log in to unmask] > > We who are descended from the "Mohawk Dutch" are still quite stubborn and resist change that doesn't seem to be advantageous! But I think you'll find that most of those who were referred to as "Mohawk Dutch" spoke a dialect of 'Low German' which set them apart. I don't know, or see, anything dirogatory in the term. From [log in to unmask] Fri Dec 8 20:23:46 1995 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from mail06.mail.aol.com by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA19215; Fri, 8 Dec 1995 20:23:34 -0500 Received: by mail06.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id UAA22825 for [log in to unmask]; Fri, 8 Dec 1995 20:27:41 -0500 Date: Fri, 8 Dec 1995 20:27:41 -0500 From: [log in to unmask] Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: Listing of NY Regiment in War of 1812. content-length: 884 Through my research, I have found information from the National Archives, that I have a descendent who served in the War of 1812. He was a private in a Company (NY Militia -Artillery) commanded by Capt. Van Benthusen. He enlisted in Schenectady on the 1st day of September, 1814 for a term of three months and was honorably discharged at Brooklyn Heights around the 1st day of December,1814. Ok, my question is: Is there any historic mention of this regiment in New York during this time? If so, would there be a listing of all the men who served in that regiment? There was also mentioned a ACT concerning Bounty land for the Unites States granting bounty land to certain officers and soldiers who have been engaged in the military service of the Unites States which was passed the 28th of September, 1850. Does anyone have any idea where I can find information on this? Thanks! From [log in to unmask] Sat Dec 9 00:49:38 1995 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from mail04.mail.aol.com by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA19511; Sat, 9 Dec 1995 00:49:37 -0500 Received: by mail04.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id AAA00906 for [log in to unmask]; Sat, 9 Dec 1995 00:53:40 -0500 Date: Sat, 9 Dec 1995 00:53:40 -0500 From: [log in to unmask] Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: old ladies homes content-length: 721 There have been homes specifically for old women since the middle ages. In Amsterdam, the Netherlands, the huge building built in the 1680's as a home for old women is still standing along the River Amstel, not far from the Municipal Archives. There were others in Haarlem and in many smaller Dutch cities and towns. It is a fascinating study. The Dutch were very advanced in the promotion and support of such institutions. See the book and M.A. thesis by Janny Venema; see also pp. 335-344, 347-348 in the book "A Beautiful and Fruitful Place: Selected Rensselaerswijck Seminar Papers," for a perspective of the Dutch almshouse in Beverwyck (Albany), possibly the very first almshouse in what is the present U.S. From [log in to unmask] Sun Dec 10 15:23:56 1995 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from montana.com (paw.montana.com) by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA22395; Sun, 10 Dec 1995 15:23:55 -0500 Received: from ptm6.montana.com by montana.com (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AC05543; Sun, 10 Dec 1995 13:28:15 -0700 Message-Id: <v02120d02acf0d86f7324@[199.2.139.68]> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 10 Dec 1995 13:28:00 -0700 To: [log in to unmask] From: [log in to unmask] (Marlin Wright) Subject: Re: old ladies homes content-length: 989 >Did the original query include "old men's homes"? If so, you might want to >look into various fraternal organizations retirement/old age homes. I know >that the Masons have had such facilities for a very long time (at least back >to the late 19th century) in many states. Other possibilities might be many >of the insurance fraternals such as Woodmen of the World, Sons of Norway, >Aid Association for Lutherans, Lutheran Brotherhood, etc. >Rick Friedline -- U of Iowa >[log in to unmask] 951210 1133 (MST) I don't know if it still exists, but there USED to be a place called "Sailor's Snug Harbor" on Staten Island. My Grandfather used to hang out there and play Checkers with other old Sailor's. /\/\/ Marlin Wright, President AOL: TWICmarlin The Wright Idea Company InterNet: [log in to unmask] Jackson, MT [log in to unmask] 59736 <http://www.montana.com/twic/twic.html> {originally from Port Richmond, Staten Island, NY} From [log in to unmask] Mon Dec 11 08:20:40 1995 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from unix5.nysed.gov by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA23497; Mon, 11 Dec 1995 08:20:39 -0500 Received: from museum.nysed.gov (dos90.nysed.gov) by unix5.nysed.gov (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA13619; Mon, 11 Dec 95 08:32:22 EST Received: from MUSEUM/SpoolDir by museum.nysed.gov (Mercury 1.21); 11 Dec 95 08:27:00 EDT Received: from SpoolDir by MUSEUM (Mercury 1.21); 11 Dec 95 08:26:44 EDT From: "Joseph F. Meany" <[log in to unmask]> Organization: NYS Museum To: [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask], Laura Lynne Scharer <[log in to unmask]> Date: Mon, 11 Dec 1995 08:26:40 EDT Subject: Re: old ladies homes Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail v3.22 Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]> content-length: 297 re: "Old Ladies Homes" Tom Eldred, Cayuga County Historian, suggests anecdotal evidence that such homes appeared in the last quarter of the nineteenth century because communities felt a responsibility to Civil War widows who had never remarried. Perhaps someone has hard evidence of this. From [log in to unmask] Fri Dec 8 12:09:06 1995 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from emout04.mail.aol.com by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA18142; Fri, 8 Dec 1995 12:09:05 -0500 Received: by emout04.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id MAA19100 for [log in to unmask]; Fri, 8 Dec 1995 12:13:12 -0500 Date: Fri, 8 Dec 1995 12:13:12 -0500 From: [log in to unmask] Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Shipping News content-length: 1071 In the New York City newspaper, Morning Courier and New York Inquirer, of Thursday morning 15 March 1832, I found the following news items. "ARRIVED Ship Edward Quesnel, Pierce; fm Havre, Feb 12th, with mdze, to J A Willink. Sailed in co with ship Georgia for Savannah." "FOREIGN IMPORTATIONS HAVRE- Ship Edward Quesnel- 400 cases of wine,De Launy, Luynt, Burgy & Co; 96 baskets, C Farrow; 50 bags, C Meier; 12 pkgs, F Pares; 14 cases, C Swan; ......................................... 20 tons plaster, J A Willink; 209 pkgs, J A Pierce." My question is about J A Willink. I understand Pierce to be the ship's Master, but I saw J A Willink's name also listed with another ship that was in port at same time. Was Mr. Willink an owner of the ships, or just the major importer of the cargo? Also, was it customary or just coincidence for two ships to set sail together, as the Georgia and the Edward Quesnel did from Le Havre? The ship also carried passengers, 75 of them in steerage, among them my Duval ancestors. Frances Murray <[log in to unmask]> Santa Rosa, CA From [log in to unmask] Mon Dec 11 10:06:15 1995 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from email.state.ut.us by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA24768; Mon, 11 Dec 1995 10:06:14 -0500 Received: from STATE-DOMAIN-Message_Server by email.state.ut.us with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 11 Dec 1995 08:09:11 -0700 Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]> X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Mon, 11 Dec 1995 08:07:39 -0700 From: Ray Matthews <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Government publications for sale -Reply content-length: 206 Yes, we would be interested in knowing how to access your catalogs online ad how to subscribe to lists of new publications. Ray Matthews Reference Archivist Utah State Archives [log in to unmask] From [log in to unmask] Mon Dec 11 10:16:15 1995 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from msmc.edu by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA24965; Mon, 11 Dec 1995 10:16:14 -0500 Received: from localhost (WHALL2.MSMC.EDU [192.245.86.49]) by msmc.edu (8.6.10/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA28254 for <[log in to unmask]>; Mon, 11 Dec 1995 10:23:51 -0500 From: "John T. Reilly" <[log in to unmask]> Received: by localhost (5.65) id AA00996; Mon, 11 Dec 95 11:19:25 -0500 Message-Id: <9512111619.AA00996@localhost> Subject: Re: Loyalists Beverley Robinson and Oliver DeLancey, and G. Garth To: [log in to unmask] Date: Mon, 11 Dec 1995 11:19:24 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: <[log in to unmask]> from "[log in to unmask]" at Dec 9, 95 07:45:19 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL22] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit content-length: 393 You might investigate the question of Aaron Burr and John Jacob Astor. Astor purchased the confiscated lands of Beverly Robinson and his wife in Putnam Co.,N.Y.on the advice of Aaron Burr. There is a good description of this action in the two volume biography of Astor, and could be used as a starting point for more investigation John T. Reilly Mount Saint Mary College Newburgh, New York From [log in to unmask] Mon Dec 11 13:34:51 1995 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from mail02.mail.aol.com by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA25480; Mon, 11 Dec 1995 13:34:50 -0500 Received: by mail02.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id NAA21956 for [log in to unmask]; Mon, 11 Dec 1995 13:38:59 -0500 Date: Mon, 11 Dec 1995 13:38:59 -0500 From: [log in to unmask] Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: Shipping News content-length: 431 In a message dated 95-12-11 10:15:43 EST, you write: > >In the New York City newspaper, Morning Courier and New York Inquirer, of >Thursday morning 15 March 1832, I found the following news items. > >"ARRIVED >snip Anybody know what other New York newspapers have ship arrival lists and are they available on microfile through the Inter Library System? I would also like to know what years these papers covered. Don Eckerle From [log in to unmask] Mon Dec 11 14:08:42 1995 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from unix5.nysed.gov by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA25635; Mon, 11 Dec 1995 14:08:41 -0500 Received: from museum.nysed.gov (dos90.nysed.gov) by unix5.nysed.gov (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA14250; Mon, 11 Dec 95 14:20:23 EST Received: from MUSEUM/SpoolDir by museum.nysed.gov (Mercury 1.21); 11 Dec 95 14:15:03 EDT Received: from SpoolDir by MUSEUM (Mercury 1.21); 11 Dec 95 14:14:38 EDT From: "Joseph F. Meany" <[log in to unmask]> Organization: NYS Museum To: [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask] (Marlin Wright) Date: Mon, 11 Dec 1995 14:14:36 EDT Subject: Re: old ladies homes Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail v3.22 Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]> content-length: 557 Sailors' Snug Harbor, the Randall Foundation for indigent merchant seamen relocated from its tree-shaded campus overlooking the Kill Van Kull, Staten Island, to Sea Level, North Carolina in 1976. The campus now houses a variety of cultural institutions in the Snug Harbor Cultural Center, esp. the John Noble Collection which interprets the history of Snug Harbor and the Port of New York through the work of maritime artist John Noble. See also Barnet Shepherd, Sailor's Snug Harbor, 1801- 1976 (New York, NY: Snug Harbor Cultural Center, 1979). From [log in to unmask] Tue Dec 12 09:31:47 1995 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from gpwsmtp.arch2.nara.gov by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA27426; Tue, 12 Dec 1995 09:31:46 -0500 Received: from NARA-Message_Server by gpwsmtp.arch2.nara.gov with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 12 Dec 1995 09:33:06 -0500 Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]> X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Tue, 12 Dec 1995 09:32:11 -0500 From: Claire Kluskens <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: Listing of NY Regiment in War of 1812. -Reply content-length: 3034 Are you looking for information about the act, or for a possible BLW application file for your ancestor? Background information on the various bounty land warrant acts is given in Chapter 8 of the GUIDE TO GENEALOGICAL RESEARCH IN THE NATIONAL ARCHIVES. (Available for $25 from the National Archives, at 1-800234-8861, credit card orders are accepted). The GUIDE is probably the best "bible" available concerning records useful for genealogical research in the National Archives. BLW application files can be obtained by mail using the NATF Form 80, Request for Copies of Veterans Records. Include the name of the soldier, war, company and regiment. There is no index to these records, published or otherwise, so there is no way of knowing ahead of time whether there is a file for any particular individual. However, the records are arranged alphabetically by name of veteran, which is how our staff is able to locate a record, if it exists. BLW application files can also be requested, examined, and copied in person at the main National Archives Building in downtown Washington, DC. BLW applications were submitted by veterans or widows based on the veteran's service in the regular or volunteer army. Most of the applications are based on service in the War of 1812 or in the regular army thru the late 1840's. If the soldier received a warrant (not all applications were approved, of course) the researcher can find out what happened next by providing the full bounty land warrant number (see the GUIDE for explanation) to the Suitland Reference Branch, National Archives, Washington, DC 20409. (Write a letter; do not use a Form 80 for this). These records are in the process of being moved from our Suitland, MD facility to downtown Washington, DC, so be aware that we --may not-- be able to service the request for copies of the file relating to the land itself, for possibly several months. NOTE, also, that in most cases the veteran or widow sold the warrant to someone else, and the veteran or widow are unlikely to be mentioned in the records relating to the land. >>> <[log in to unmask]> 12/08/95 08:27pm >>> Through my research, I have found information from the National Archives, that I have a descendent who served in the War of 1812. He was a private in a Company (NY Militia -Artillery) commanded by Capt. Van Benthusen. He enlisted in Schenectady on the 1st day of September, 1814 for a term of three months and was honorably discharged at Brooklyn Heights around the 1st day of December,1814. Ok, my question is: Is there any historic mention of this regiment in New York during this time? If so, would there be a listing of all the men who served in that regiment? There was also mentioned a ACT concerning Bounty land for the Unites States granting bounty land to certain officers and soldiers who have been engaged in the military service of the Unites States which was passed the 28th of September, 1850. Does anyone have any idea where I can find information on this? Thanks! From [log in to unmask] Tue Dec 12 21:11:18 1995 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from eutectic.stlcop.edu by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA28826; Tue, 12 Dec 1995 21:11:17 -0500 Received: (from huucp@localhost) by eutectic.stlcop.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id VAA20727 for [log in to unmask]; Tue, 12 Dec 1995 21:17:42 -0500 Received: from helix.stlcop.edu with uucp; Wed,, Dec 13 mote 1995 02:15:04 Received: by helix.stlcop.edu (wcGATE v4) id 41813W Wed, 13 Dec 1995 02:15:04 GMT From: [log in to unmask] (Kenneth Blume) Subject: Re: Shipping News (Don Eckerle) Date: Wed, 13 Dec 1995 02:09:36 GMT Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]> Organization: St. Louis College of Pharmacy Return-Receipt-To: [log in to unmask] To: [log in to unmask] content-length: 369 For the mid to late nineteenth century, the New York Tribune and New York Herald both carried extensive shipping news--lists of incoming and outgoing vessels, articles, etc. They are both available on microfilm. The New York Commercial Advertiser is also a good source. Kenneth J. Blume Dept. of LIberal Arts Albany College of Pharmacy [log in to unmask] From [log in to unmask] Wed Dec 13 09:05:28 1995 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from ccmail.sunysb.edu by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA00559; Wed, 13 Dec 1995 09:05:25 -0500 Received: from ccmail.sunysb.edu by ccmail.sunysb.edu (PMDF V5.0-4 #8051) id <[log in to unmask]> for [log in to unmask]; Wed, 13 Dec 1995 09:09:27 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 13 Dec 1995 09:09:27 -0500 (EST) From: David Y Allen <[log in to unmask]> Subject: NYS Historic Maps on the Web To: [log in to unmask] Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]> X-Vms-To: IN%"[log in to unmask]" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT content-length: 630 I have recently put up about 20 digital images of maps of New York State produced prior to 1830 on the World Wide Web. These maps are from a collection of over 100 New York State maps recorded on two Kodak photo CDs, which I eventually plan to make more widely available. To view the images you will need to have access to the Internet and a graphical interface (such as Netscape or Mosaic), as well as a computer with enough RAM to handle 300 kb images. The maps can be viewed at http://www.sunysb.edu/libmap/nymaps.htm or via the University at Stony Brook Library's home page at: http://www.sunysb.edu/library/ldmaps.htm From [log in to unmask] Wed Dec 13 11:08:20 1995 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from iceland.it.earthlink.net by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA01069; Wed, 13 Dec 1995 11:08:18 -0500 Received: from LOCALNAME (pool030.Max7.New-York.NY.DYNIP.ALTER.NET [153.37.37.30]) by iceland.it.earthlink.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id IAA08256 for <[log in to unmask]>; Wed, 13 Dec 1995 08:12:25 -0800 Date: Wed, 13 Dec 1995 08:12:25 -0800 Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]> X-Sender: [log in to unmask] X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: [log in to unmask] From: [log in to unmask] (Edward Knoblauch) Subject: Re: NYS Historic Maps on the Web content-length: 319 > I have recently put up about 20 digital images of maps of New York >State produced prior to 1830 on the World Wide Web. These maps are from a >collection of over 100 New York State maps recorded on two Kodak photo CDs, Snip Thank you very much! I'm going to look now. Edward Knoblauch at SUNYA Edward H. Knoblauch From [log in to unmask] Fri Dec 8 01:29:53 1995 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from sparc1.glen-net.ca by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA15710; Fri, 8 Dec 1995 01:29:50 -0500 Received: from x88glen.glen-net.ca (x88glen.glen-net.ca [205.189.134.88]) by sparc1.glen-net.ca (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id BAA20211; Fri, 8 Dec 1995 01:34:37 -0500 Date: Fri, 8 Dec 1995 01:34:37 -0500 Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]> X-Sender: [log in to unmask] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: [log in to unmask] From: [log in to unmask] (David G Anderson) Subject: Mohawk Deutsch Cc: Al Covell <[log in to unmask]> X-Mailer: <Windows Eudora Version 1.4.2b16> content-length: 2821 This is a reply to a recent enquiry concerning the term "Mohawk Dutch." The term is corrupted in the same manner as the term "Pennsylvania Dutch" which, as we all ultimately find out, is the natural misunderstanding of "Pennsylvania Deutsch", which is simply the German way of saying, well, German. The Mohawk Deutsch, or Mohawk Valley Germans, are the rather large population of Germans who settled on the estates of Sir William Johnson around Johnstown, New York (east of Albany, east of Schenectady, east of Amsterdam). They were comprised largely of Palatine Germans from the historic Palatine immigration of 1710 to the Hudson River estates of Richard Livingston (now Greene County, NY). (Remember Longfellow's "Wreck of the Palatine"?) Their numbers were augmented by Hessian mercenary soldiers from the French and Indian wars and they were made welcome on the lands of the Johnson family. In the course of the Revolutionary War in America, many of the Mohawk Deutsch joined with their recent Highland Scots neighbours and made up the Kings Royal Regiment of New York and some other ranger companies such as Butler's. The two battalions of this regiment comprised the army of Sir William's son, Lt-Col Sir John Johnson. Their character is noticeably different from their more pacific Pennsylvania brethren -- their sorties down from their Montreal refuge caused the valley to endure the bloodiest action in the entire revolutionary conflict. They were principally "jaeger" or hunter/woodsmen/teamster types and conformed to the common archetype of the loyalist: that of the outsider, having never melded into the great social experiment which was to be America. They did, however, impress the stamp of their conservative and pro-British character on British North America. On the loss of the American Colonies these United Empire Loyalists were allocated lands of refuge in the yet-unsettled waste lands of what is now eastern Ontario, Canada. Indeed, the quaint old village in which I reside is named after Sir William. His loyal "Mohawk Deutsch" soldiers were all settled on the north bank of the St Lawrence west of Cornwall, Ontario and are still entitled to append the initials "U.E." to their names as a mark of honour alluding to their principle: the Unity of Empire. In the course of two world wars, many of them found the Deutsch/Dutch confusion permitted them to think of themselves as Dutchmen as seems to have been the case in Pennsylvania also. Fortunately, the need for such self-deception has passed and the new crop of amateur family historians are restoring the truth of their story once again. David G Anderson <[log in to unmask]> Glengarry Historical Society - 1784 Williamstown, Ontario, Canada K0C 2J0 _____________________________________ From [log in to unmask] Wed Dec 13 15:39:39 1995 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from msmc.edu by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA02366; Wed, 13 Dec 1995 15:39:38 -0500 Received: from localhost (WHALL2.MSMC.EDU [192.245.86.49]) by msmc.edu (8.6.10/8.6.9) with SMTP id PAA17704; Wed, 13 Dec 1995 15:47:24 -0500 From: "John T. Reilly" <[log in to unmask]> Received: by localhost (5.65) id AA00447; Wed, 13 Dec 95 16:42:48 -0500 Message-Id: <9512132142.AA00447@localhost> Subject: Re: NYS Historic Maps on the Web To: [log in to unmask] Date: Wed, 13 Dec 1995 16:42:48 -0500 (EST) Cc: [log in to unmask] (John T. Reilly) In-Reply-To: <[log in to unmask]> from "Edward Knoblauch" at Dec 13, 95 08:12:25 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL22] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit content-length: 488 > > > I have recently put up about 20 digital images of maps of New York > >State produced prior to 1830 on the World Wide Web. These maps are from a > >collection of over 100 New York State maps recorded on two Kodak photo CDs, > Snip > > Thank you very much! I'm going to look now. > Edward Knoblauch at SUNYA > Edward H. Knoblauch > Could you please tell me how I may access these maps on the Web? Thanks, John T. Reilly M<ount Saint Mary College Newburgh, New York 1255 > From [log in to unmask] Thu Dec 14 11:43:23 1995 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from scls1.suffolk.lib.ny.us by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA03709; Thu, 14 Dec 1995 11:43:22 -0500 Received: (from eburrows@localhost) by scls1.suffolk.lib.ny.us (8.6.12/8.6.6) id LAA24718; Thu, 14 Dec 1995 11:50:07 -0500 Date: Thu, 14 Dec 1995 11:50:07 -0500 (EST) From: Burrows <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Jan Stryker Message-Id: <Pine.SUN.3.91.951214114352.19802A-100000@scls1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII content-length: 371 Many years ago I saw a portrait said to have been that of Jan Stryker, a late 17th century resident of Flatbush whose farm occupied land near the present corner of Flatbush and Church avenues in Brooklyn. Does this ring a bell with anyone on the list? or is my memory playing tricks on me (again)? Thanks for any tips or leads. Edwin G. Burrows Brooklyn College From [log in to unmask] Fri Dec 15 11:11:40 1995 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from MAIL.NYSED.GOV by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA05790; Fri, 15 Dec 1995 11:11:39 -0500 Received: from SEDDOM1-Message_Server by MAIL.NYSED.GOV with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 15 Dec 1995 11:17:47 -0500 Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]> X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Fri, 15 Dec 1995 11:09:58 -0500 From: Bill Evans <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask] Subject: GPO content-length: 1273 The following may be useful to some of us. Government Printing Office Expands Free On-Line Service -- On December 1, the U.S. Government Printing Office (GPO) began free online access to the Congressional Records, Federal Register, congressional bills, and other important government documents. Prior to December 1, GPO Access service, which had been created by legislation in 1993, was available only to users on-site in some 600 of the nearly 1,400 Federal Depository Libraries. GPO Access service can be reached via the Internet or by dial-in through a modem. Internet users can access the databases with a World Wide Web browser through the Superintendent of Documents' home page at: http://www.access.gpo.gov/su_docs/ Internet users can also telnet to swais.access.gpo.gov; then login as guest. Dial-in users should use a modem to call (202) 512-1661; type swais and then login as guest. In more than 20 states, users with modems can connect to GPO Access through depository library "gateways" with a local phone call. Listings of depository libraries and "gateways" can be found on the Superintendent of Documents' home page. For information on accessing GPO Access, send an e-mail message to [log in to unmask] Bill Evans [log in to unmask] From [log in to unmask] Fri Dec 15 11:24:14 1995 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from library.berkeley.edu by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA05982; Fri, 15 Dec 1995 11:24:13 -0500 Received: by library.berkeley.edu; (5.65/1.1.8.2/29Oct94-1209AM) id AA22360; Fri, 15 Dec 1995 08:39:37 -0800 Date: Fri, 15 Dec 1995 08:39:37 -0800 (PST) From: Dorothy Koenig <[log in to unmask]> To: Burrows <[log in to unmask]> Cc: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: Jan Stryker In-Reply-To: <Pine.SUN.3.91.951214114352.19802A-100000@scls1> Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII content-length: 1259 Edwin, Yes! Large bells start clanging :-). The picture is reproduced in a book entitled "The Stryker Family in America", written and published by a descendant, William Norman Stryker. Mr. Stryker has written for The Holland Society's "De Halve Maen", and you may be able to get his current address from the Society. This may be as good a place as any to announce to readers of this list that in February 1996 I am beginning a new genealogical quarterly newsletter called "New Netherland Connections". It will be devoted to an ongoing study of kinship links between inhabitants of New Netherland -- 1624-1664 -- and the search for their descendants. A free copy of the first issue will be sent to anyone who would like to have one! Dorothy * * * * * * * * * * * Dorothy A. Koenig <[log in to unmask] On Thu, 14 Dec 1995, Burrows wrote: > > Many years ago I saw a portrait said to have been that of Jan Stryker, a > late 17th century resident of Flatbush whose farm occupied land near the > present corner of Flatbush and Church avenues in Brooklyn. Does this ring > a bell with anyone on the list? or is my memory playing tricks on me > (again)? Thanks for any tips or leads. > > Edwin G. Burrows > Brooklyn College > From [log in to unmask] Fri Dec 15 21:31:12 1995 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from library.berkeley.edu by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA08005; Fri, 15 Dec 1995 21:31:10 -0500 Received: by library.berkeley.edu; (5.65/1.1.8.2/29Oct94-1209AM) id AA11388; Fri, 15 Dec 1995 18:46:38 -0800 Date: Fri, 15 Dec 1995 18:46:38 -0800 (PST) From: Dorothy Koenig <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask] Subject: "New Netherland Connections" Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII content-length: 1549 Earlier today I answered a poster's question about a picture of Jan STRYKER. In the course of the message I made reference to a new newsletter I plan to begin -- in PAPER copy -- come February 1996. In case there are people other than those who read the message about Jan Stryker who might be interested, I am repeating the information here. I am planning to begin a new quarterly newsletter in February 1996. It will be called "New Netherland Connections" and will be devoted primarily to establishing genealogical connections among and to people who lived in those areas -- the Hudson Valley, Manhattan, Long Island, and New Jersey -- that were under the jurisdiction of the Dutch West India Company between 1624 to 1664. It will contain items about people, places, and events. One of its main functions will be to try to bridge the communication gap between people who have access to email and those who do not. I will be charging $15.00 per calendar year for issues published in February, May, August, and November. HOWEVER, the first issue will be sent free to anyone who would like to have one. The newsletter will also contain genealogical queries at no charge to the contributor. If you would like to submit a query by email and/or have your name added to the mailing list to receive a free copy of the first issue in February, please contact me. Be sure to include your POSTAL address so I know where to send the Fenbruary issue! Dorothy * * * * * * * * * * * Dorothy A. Koenig <[log in to unmask] From [log in to unmask] Sat Dec 16 12:29:59 1995 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from mail06.mail.aol.com by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA09001; Sat, 16 Dec 1995 12:29:58 -0500 Received: by mail06.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id MAA12077 for [log in to unmask]; Sat, 16 Dec 1995 12:34:14 -0500 Date: Sat, 16 Dec 1995 12:34:14 -0500 From: [log in to unmask] Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask] Cc: [log in to unmask] Subject: Journals of Western NY State Personages content-length: 1622 In researching my ancestors, Nathaniel and Hannah (Goold) SANBURN (aka SANBORN), who owned a tavern in Canandaigua, Ontario Co., NY in the late 1790's--mid-1800's, I have found numerous references to various persons who were instrumental in the early days of Western NY State who were long-term guests of the Sanburn tavern. I know several of them kept personal journals during this period, and I would very much like to locate these journals for possible references to my Sanburn family. Would anyone know in what libraries, repositories, etc., I might look for personal journals or diaries of the following persons? Specifically: 1. Episcopal Reverend (later Bishop) Philand Chase. Organized St. Matthews' church in Canandaigua in 1799. 2. Oliver Phelps 3. Aaron Burr 4. Thomas Morris 5. Timothy Pickering Other persons of note who stayed in the Sanburn Tavern, and who may have kept journals during this period, are: Charles Williamson, Rev. Mr. Kirkland, Augustus and Peter B. Porter, James and William Wadsworth, the early Judges of the Supreme Court of NY State, Joseph and Benj. Ellicott, Philip Church, Louis Le Couteleux, Charles and Dugald Cameron, Vincent Matthews, Nathaniel W. Howell, John Greig, Horatio and John H. Jones, Robert Troup, Jeremiah Mason, Philetus and John Swift, Wm. Howe Cuyler, Elias Cost, Herman Bogert, Samuel Haight, Timothy Hosmer, Arnold Potter, Benedict Robinson, Jemima Wilkinson, Samuel B. Ogden, John Butler and Samuel Street. Thanks in advance to anyone who might be able to point me in the right direction. Please address any responses to me at: [log in to unmask] From [log in to unmask] Sat Dec 16 14:44:03 1995 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from gpwsmtp.arch2.nara.gov by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA09166; Sat, 16 Dec 1995 14:44:01 -0500 Received: from NARA-Message_Server by gpwsmtp.arch2.nara.gov with Novell_GroupWise; Sat, 16 Dec 1995 14:49:54 -0500 Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]> X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Sat, 16 Dec 1995 14:48:58 -0500 From: Claire Kluskens <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Civil War soldier/unit research content-length: 8046 At the request of another NYHIST-L subscriber, I am uploading Part I of an article "What Battles Did My Civil War Ancestor Fight In?" which appeared in the November 1995 issue of THE RECORD. Part II will appear in the January issue of THE RECORD. THE RECORD is a free newsletter published five times per year by the National Archives. It includes a broad variety of articles relating to records held by the National Archives, information on new accessions, etc. There is a "genealogy" column in every issue. To subscribe, write to Roger Bruns, Editor, THE RECORD, National Archives, Washington, DC 20408. Or email [log in to unmask] In the article I talk about National Archives Microfilm Publication M594, Compiled Records Showing Service of Military Units in Volunteer Union Organizations (225 rolls). Naturally, the quality and quantity of information provided provided in this microfilm publication for a given company or regiment depends on the quantity and quality of the information provided by the officers of those units. Claire Prechtel-Kluskens Archivist/Genealogy Specialist National Archives and Records Administration Washington, DC [log in to unmask] Here is the article: WHAT BATTLES DID MY CIVIL WAR ANCESTOR FIGHT IN? PART I: BASIC RESEARCH SOURCES By Claire Prechtel-Kluskens Archivist/Genealogy Specialist National Archives and Records Administration Washington, DC 20408 Over 2.8 million men (and a few women) served in the Union and Confederate armies during the Civil War. Each played a part in this epic struggle over states' rights and slavery. This article will briefly describe resources for researching the military service of individual Civil War soldiers. Introduction to Basic Research Sources For Union army soldiers, there are three major records in the National Archives that provide this information: (1) a compiled military service record; (2) a pension application file; and (3) National Archives Microfilm Publication M594, Compiled Records Showing Service of Military Units in Volunteer Union Organizations (225 rolls). For Confederate army soldiers, there are two major records in the National Archives that provide this information: (1) a compiled military service record and (2) National Archives Microfilm Publication M861, Compiled Records Showing Service of Military Units in Confederate Organizations (74 rolls). Records relating to Confederate soldiers are typically less complete than those relating to Union soldiers because many Confederate records did not survive the war. The National Archives does not have pension files for Confederate soldiers. Pensions were granted to Confederate veterans and their widows and minor children by the States of Alabama, Arkansas, Florida, Georgia, Kentucky, Louisiana, Mississippi, Missouri, North Carolina, Oklahoma, South Carolina, Tennessee, Texas, and Virginia; these records are in the state archives or equivalent agency. Researchers should visit public libraries to find books and periodicals about Civil War battles, strategies, uniforms, and the political and social context of the times. The War Department's 128-volume War of the Rebellion: A Compilation of the Official Records of the Union and Confederate Armies includes battle reports and correspondence of Union and Confederate regiments. Frederick H. Dyer's A Compendium of the War of the Rebellion lists battles in which each Union regiment fought. It cannot be considered proof, however, that any particular soldier fought in these battles since different companies in the regiment may have had different assignments, or an individual soldier may have been absent due to sickness, desertion, temporary assignment to other duties, or other causes. Other valuable sources include E.B. Long's, Civil War Day by Day: An Almanac, 1861-1865, James Randall and David Donald's Civil War and Reconstruction, Bruce Catton's Centennial History of the Civil War, Shelby Foote's The Civil War, Bell Wiley's The Life of Johnny Reb and The Life of Billy Yank, and Roy P. Basler, ed., Collected Works of Abraham Lincoln. Periodicals such as Civil War History, Civil War Times Illustrated, and Blue and Gray are also informative. Charles E. Dornbusch's Military Bibliography of the Civil War is a guide to published unit histories. Discussion of Basic Research Sources in the National Archives Each soldier has one Compiled Military Service Record (CMSR) for each regiment in which he served. The CMSR contains basic information about the soldier's military career, and it is the first source the researcher should consult. The CMSR is an envelope (a jacket) containing one or more cards. These cards typically indicate that the soldier was present or absent during a certain period of time. Other cards may indicate the date of enlistment and discharge, amount of bounty paid him, and other information. The soldier's town and state of birth may be indicated; if foreign born, only the country of birth is stated. The CMSR may contain an internal jacket for so-called "personal papers" of various kinds. These may include a copy of the soldier's enlistment paper, papers relating to his capture and release as a prisoner of war, or a statement that he had no personal property with him when he died. Note, however, that the CMSR rarely indicates battles in which a soldier fought; that information must be derived from other sources. A CMSR is as complete as the surviving records of an individual soldier or his unit. The War Department compiled the CMSR's some years after the war to permit more rapid and efficient checking of military and medical records in connection with claims for pensions and other veterans' benefits. The abstracts were so carefully prepared that it is rarely necessary to consult the original records from which they were made. Most Union army soldiers or their widows or minor children later applied for pensions. The pension file will often contain more information about what the soldier did during the war than the CMSR, and it may contain much medical information if he lived for a number of years afterwards. For example, in his pension file, Seth Combs of Company C, 2d Ohio Cavalry, said: "... my left eye was injured while tearing down a building . . . and in pulling off a board a splinter or piece struck my eye and injured it badly ... it was hurt while in the Shenandoah Valley near Winchester, Va. about Christmas 1864--a comrade who stood by me name Jim Beach is dead...." In another affidavit, Seth said he "also got the Rheumatism while on duty as a dispatch bearer on detached duty." To obtain a widow's pension, the widow had to provide proof of marriage, such as a copy of the record kept by county officials, or by affidavit from the minister or some other person. Applications on behalf of the soldier's minor children had to supply both proof of the soldier's marriage and proof of the children's birth. More detailed information about the soldier's war activities can be found in the day-by-day histories of the activities of each company known colloquially as the "record of events." As noted above, records of Union regiments have been microfilmed as National Archives Microfilm Publication M594, Compiled Records Showing Service of Military Units in Volunteer Union Organizations (225 rolls). These records are arranged by state, thereunder by regiment, thereunder by company. Although they rarely name individual soldiers, the descriptions of the activities and movements of the company can be used, in conjunction with the soldier's CMSR and pension file, to determine where he was and what he was doing. A Look Ahead In the next issue of The Record, Part 2 of this article will use these three records to describe the military service of two brothers who served in the 106th New York Infantry. Their examples illustrate that one soldier's experience may be different from that of other soldiers in the same regiment. From [log in to unmask] Mon Dec 18 10:27:37 1995 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from MAIL.NYSED.GOV by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA12231; Mon, 18 Dec 1995 10:27:36 -0500 Received: from SEDDOM1-Message_Server by MAIL.NYSED.GOV with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 18 Dec 1995 10:35:26 -0500 Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]> X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 10:33:23 -0500 From: Vicki Weiss <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Journals of Western NY State Personages -Reply content-length: 509 Have you looked in the indexes of what are commonly called the HDI guides or the red guides? For each county in New York, there is a Guide to the Historical Resources in [name] County. The indexes include personal names. The guides are available at historical societies and libraries around the state. For more information on this resource or to order a copy for a specific county, write: Statewide Archival Services, NYS Archives and Records Administration, Room 9B38 CEC, Albany, NY 12230. 518-474-4372 From [log in to unmask] Mon Dec 18 16:34:26 1995 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from ccmail.sunysb.edu by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA12827; Mon, 18 Dec 1995 16:34:25 -0500 Received: from ccmail.sunysb.edu by ccmail.sunysb.edu (PMDF V5.0-4 #8051) id <[log in to unmask]> for [log in to unmask]; Mon, 18 Dec 1995 16:38:42 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 18 Dec 1995 16:38:42 -0500 (EST) From: David Y Allen <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Native American Maps To: [log in to unmask] Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]> X-Vms-To: IN%"[log in to unmask]" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT content-length: 889 I am starting a research project on Native American maps of New York State and their possible influence on early published maps of the state. As part of this project, I am attempting to identify all extant copies of maps produced by, or based on the work of, Native Americans living in New York prior to about 1850. I have consulted the exhibition list for "Cartographic Encounters: An Exhibition of Native American Maps" published in the September, 1993, issue of Mapline (Newberry Library), and read the literature cited in the bibliography accompanying that list. I would greatly appreciate any specific references to additional maps and their locations not mentioned in either the exhibition catalog or its bibliography. Early maps produced by Iroquian or Algonquian speaking Indians living in nearby states or Canada that show areas in New York would also be of interest. From [log in to unmask] Tue Dec 19 09:07:10 1995 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from scrlc.lakenet.org (ns1.lakenet.org) by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA13915; Tue, 19 Dec 1995 09:07:09 -0500 Received: from slip3.lakenet.org (slip3.lakenet.org [204.253.93.13]) by scrlc.lakenet.org (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id JAA07093 for <[log in to unmask]>; Tue, 19 Dec 1995 09:08:40 -0500 Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]> Comments: Authenticated sender is <[log in to unmask]> From: "Steve Walker" <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask] Date: Tue, 19 Dec 1995 09:08:11 +0000 Subject: Re: Journals of Western NY State Personages Reply-To: [log in to unmask] Return-Receipt-To: [log in to unmask] Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.01) content-length: 2949 You might try the Ontario County Historical Society, 55 North Main St., Canandaigua, NY 14424 Tel: (716) 394-4975 as they have collections of Oliver Phelps and others. Another good place to check is the Ontario County Dept. of Records, Archives, and Information Management Services, 3869 County Rd. #46, Canandaigua, NY 14424 Tel: (716) 396-4377. This is the county government archives and would likely have mention of your ancesters in the Surrogate's Records, Census Records, and Tax Assessment Rolls. The Wood Library, 134 North Main Street, Canandaigua, NY 14424 Tel: (716) 394-1381 has a local history collection that may be of help. When you are through with these sources. Contact me again and I will supply you with quite a few others. Good Luck on your searching! Steve Walker [log in to unmask] > Date: Sat, 16 Dec 1995 12:34:14 -0500 > Reply-to: [log in to unmask] > From: [log in to unmask] > To: [log in to unmask] > Cc: [log in to unmask] > Subject: Journals of Western NY State Personages > In researching my ancestors, Nathaniel and Hannah (Goold) SANBURN (aka > SANBORN), who owned a tavern in Canandaigua, Ontario Co., NY in the late > 1790's--mid-1800's, I have found numerous references to various persons who > were instrumental in the early days of Western NY State who were long-term > guests of the Sanburn tavern. I know several of them kept personal journals > during this period, and I would very much like to locate these journals for > possible references to my Sanburn family. > > Would anyone know in what libraries, repositories, etc., I might look for > personal journals or diaries of the following persons? > > Specifically: > > 1. Episcopal Reverend (later Bishop) Philand Chase. Organized St. Matthews' > church in Canandaigua in 1799. > 2. Oliver Phelps > 3. Aaron Burr > 4. Thomas Morris > 5. Timothy Pickering > > Other persons of note who stayed in the Sanburn Tavern, and who may have kept > journals during this period, are: Charles Williamson, Rev. Mr. Kirkland, > Augustus and Peter B. Porter, James and William Wadsworth, the early Judges > of the Supreme Court of NY State, Joseph and Benj. Ellicott, Philip Church, > Louis Le Couteleux, Charles and Dugald Cameron, Vincent Matthews, Nathaniel > W. Howell, John Greig, Horatio and John H. Jones, Robert Troup, Jeremiah > Mason, Philetus and John Swift, Wm. Howe Cuyler, Elias Cost, Herman Bogert, > Samuel Haight, Timothy Hosmer, Arnold Potter, Benedict Robinson, Jemima > Wilkinson, Samuel B. Ogden, John Butler and Samuel Street. > > Thanks in advance to anyone who might be able to point me in the right > direction. > > Please address any responses to me at: [log in to unmask] > > > > Steve Walker Regional Archivist Mid-State Region Information Management, LTD. 204 Chapel Street Penn Yan, NY 14527-1106 voice: (315) 536-0368 [log in to unmask] From jcorsaro@unix2 Tue Dec 19 15:41:02 1995 Return-Path: <jcorsaro@unix2> Received: from unix2 (unix2.nysed.gov) by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA14944; Tue, 19 Dec 1995 15:41:02 -0500 Received: by unix2 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id PAA26891; Tue, 19 Dec 1995 15:45:22 -0500 Date: Tue, 19 Dec 1995 15:45:21 -0500 (EST) From: Jim Corsaro <jcorsaro@unix2> To: [log in to unmask] Cc: [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: Journals of Western NY State Personages In-Reply-To: <[log in to unmask]> Message-Id: <Pine.SOL.3.91.951219154229.26363E-100000@unix2> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII content-length: 2378 Sir: The majority of the papers of Oliver Phelps (and Nathaniel Gorham) are in the Manuscripts and Special Collections of the NY State Library. There are about 150 linear feet of records of Phelps and Gorham here and there is a very long finding aid to the collection. Come east to the State Library sometime and look at the Phelps Papers and you may find something useful. I should mention that we do not have the staff time to research these papers for you. By the way, we also have miscellaneous letters and other manuscripts of Burr, Pickering and a good deal of other material on Western NYS history. Jim Corsaro On Sat, 16 Dec 1995 [log in to unmask] wrote: > In researching my ancestors, Nathaniel and Hannah (Goold) SANBURN (aka > SANBORN), who owned a tavern in Canandaigua, Ontario Co., NY in the late > 1790's--mid-1800's, I have found numerous references to various persons who > were instrumental in the early days of Western NY State who were long-term > guests of the Sanburn tavern. I know several of them kept personal journals > during this period, and I would very much like to locate these journals for > possible references to my Sanburn family. > > Would anyone know in what libraries, repositories, etc., I might look for > personal journals or diaries of the following persons? > > Specifically: > > 1. Episcopal Reverend (later Bishop) Philand Chase. Organized St. Matthews' > church in Canandaigua in 1799. > 2. Oliver Phelps > 3. Aaron Burr > 4. Thomas Morris > 5. Timothy Pickering > > Other persons of note who stayed in the Sanburn Tavern, and who may have kept > journals during this period, are: Charles Williamson, Rev. Mr. Kirkland, > Augustus and Peter B. Porter, James and William Wadsworth, the early Judges > of the Supreme Court of NY State, Joseph and Benj. Ellicott, Philip Church, > Louis Le Couteleux, Charles and Dugald Cameron, Vincent Matthews, Nathaniel > W. Howell, John Greig, Horatio and John H. Jones, Robert Troup, Jeremiah > Mason, Philetus and John Swift, Wm. Howe Cuyler, Elias Cost, Herman Bogert, > Samuel Haight, Timothy Hosmer, Arnold Potter, Benedict Robinson, Jemima > Wilkinson, Samuel B. Ogden, John Butler and Samuel Street. > > Thanks in advance to anyone who might be able to point me in the right > direction. > > Please address any responses to me at: [log in to unmask] > > > From [log in to unmask] Tue Dec 19 16:03:49 1995 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from bbmail1.unisys.com by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA14968; Tue, 19 Dec 1995 16:03:44 -0500 Received: from ih85.ea.unisys.com (ih85.ea.unisys.com [192.61.103.85]) by bbmail1.unisys.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id VAA05548 for <[log in to unmask]>; Tue, 19 Dec 1995 21:08:04 GMT Received: from po5.cp.unisys.com (cpo4smtp.ea.unisys.com [192.61.145.10]) by ih85.ea.unisys.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id VAA26694 for <[log in to unmask]>; Tue, 19 Dec 1995 21:08:03 GMT Received: by po5.cp.unisys.com with Microsoft Mail id <[log in to unmask]>; Tue, 19 Dec 95 21:10:14 GMT From: "Plouff, Neil W PL" <[log in to unmask]> To: NYHIST Mailing List <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Patterns of settlement in central New York? Date: Tue, 19 Dec 95 16:07:00 GMT Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]> Encoding: 18 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 content-length: 988 To this casual reader of New York history, there seem to be two distinct eras of westward growth from the original upstate settlements near Albany. Before the Revolutionary War, new settlements seem to have been planted slowly up the Mohawk River from Schenectady. In the decades after the war, the population exploded across the center of the state. An arbitrary end to this second period might be the opening of the Erie Canal in 1825. I would like to better understand these two eras of westward expansion in terms of the groups involved, and the economic and social trends of the times. Can members of this list suggest readings which focus on this aspect of state history? A related question -- some Revolutionary soldiers received bounty lands in the Military Tract. Did veterans of militia companies receive other cash or land bounties which encouraged new settlements? -- Wes Plouff Royal Oak, Michigan [log in to unmask] [log in to unmask] From [log in to unmask] Tue Dec 19 16:45:42 1995 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from MAIL.NYSED.GOV by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA15157; Tue, 19 Dec 1995 16:45:41 -0500 Received: from SEDDOM1-Message_Server by MAIL.NYSED.GOV with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 19 Dec 1995 16:54:23 -0500 Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]> X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Tue, 19 Dec 1995 16:51:16 -0500 From: James Folts <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Patterns of settlement in central New York? -Reply content-length: 1 From [log in to unmask] Tue Dec 19 16:58:59 1995 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from MAIL.NYSED.GOV by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA15414; Tue, 19 Dec 1995 16:58:59 -0500 Received: from SEDDOM1-Message_Server by MAIL.NYSED.GOV with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 19 Dec 1995 17:07:40 -0500 Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]> X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Tue, 19 Dec 1995 17:04:16 -0500 From: James Folts <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Population expansion in central/western NY content-length: 820 Response to Neil Plouff's inquiry: For geographic interpretations of the westward expansion of European-Americans into central and western New York, see D. W. Meinig, "Geography of Expansion," pp. 140-71 in John H. Thompson, ed., Geography of New York State (Syracuse: Syracuse University Press, 1966); and James W. Darlington, "Peopling the Post-Revolutionary New York Frontier," New York History, 74:4 (Oct. 1993), 340-81. Both Meinig and Darlington have excellent maps; Darlington's maps show the very different settlement areas of immigrants from the various New England states. Thompson's book is still (I think) in print in paperback. James D. Folts Head, Research Services New York State Archives Cultural Education Center Room 11D40 Albany, NY 12230 USA E-mail [log in to unmask] Phone (518) 474-8955 From [log in to unmask] Tue Dec 19 16:33:54 1995 Return-Path: <@UBVM.CC.BUFFALO.EDU:[log in to unmask]> Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA15131; Tue, 19 Dec 1995 16:33:51 -0500 Message-Id: <9512192133.AA15131@unix10> Received: from UBVM.CC.BUFFALO.EDU by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R3) with BSMTP id 8810; Tue, 19 Dec 95 16:37:08 EST Received: from UBVM (NJE origin ULDBEV@UBVM) by UBVM.CC.BUFFALO.EDU (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 0084; Tue, 19 Dec 1995 16:37:01 -0500 Date: Tue, 19 Dec 95 16:32:17 EST From: Beverly Vander Kooy <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: Patterns of settlement in central New York? To: NYHIST Mailing List <[log in to unmask]> In-Reply-To: Message of Tue, 19 Dec 95 16:07:00 GMT from <[log in to unmask]> content-length: 708 I believe that the land west of the Unadilla River was open to settlement following 1790 -- that was when Vermont succeeded from NYS - the land west of the Unadilla River was open for settlement to people from New York, Massachusetts, and Connecticut. (I believe the other states wanted to claim Western New York) Of course, folks from other states saw New York State during the revolutionary war. Beverly Vander Kooy University at Buffalo (We have been doing research on early settlement in Otsego County - particularly to find out who built the toll road (now country route 13) between Morris and New Berlin. My husband grew up in a Gothic Revival house that is now being restored by the new owners) From [log in to unmask] Tue Dec 19 20:09:27 1995 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from mail02.mail.aol.com by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA15545; Tue, 19 Dec 1995 20:09:26 -0500 Received: by mail02.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id UAA05371 for [log in to unmask]; Tue, 19 Dec 1995 20:13:42 -0500 Date: Tue, 19 Dec 1995 20:13:42 -0500 From: [log in to unmask] Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask] Cc: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: Journals of Western NY State Personages content-length: 633 "The Private Journal of Aaron Burr" was published in 2 volumes at New York in 1838 and again at Rochester in 1903. In it is a diary kept by Burr from 1808 to 1812 during residence in Europe. The journal of Joseph Ellicott for 1801 is in William Ketchum, "An Authentic and Comprehensive History of Buffalo" (Buffalo, 1865), II:146-150. The unpublished manuscript personal journal of Aaron Burr from 1808 to 1812 is in the Huntington Library at San Marino, California. "The Journals of Samuel Kirkland, 1764-1807" edited by Walter Pilkington was published by Hamilton College in 1980 and is an excellent source. From [log in to unmask] Wed Dec 20 01:00:57 1995 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from lucas.emi.com (emi.com) by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA16013; Wed, 20 Dec 1995 01:00:56 -0500 Received: from localhost ([167.152.13.10]) by lucas.emi.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id AAA07841 for <[log in to unmask]>; Wed, 20 Dec 1995 00:58:50 -0500 Received: by localhost (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 1.3.14/2.12um) id AA0019; Tue, 19 Dec 95 23:10:16 -0800 Message-Id: <9512200710.AA0019@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 19 Dec 95 22:34:35 +0000 From: [log in to unmask] To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: Patterns of settlement in central New York? X-Mailer: Ultimedia Mail/2 Lite, IBM T. J. Watson Research Center Content-Id: <16_60_1_819430476> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit content-length: 1601 Wes, I'm sorry I cannot cite books on the patterns of settlement in Central New York. There is some discussion of this subject in "Mohawk Baronet - A biography of Sir William Johnson", by James Flexner. I believe one consideration is that in 1768, a Treaty between the English colonial government and the Iroquois Confederacy at Fort Stanwix, now Rome, NY. A division line was drawn which passed thru the heart of central NY, and thru Oneida County. White settlers were forbidden to purchase land from the Indians west of this line. Much of the land east of that line was in the hands of well to do men who were more interested in maintaining a tenant farming system than in selling land to new settlers. So, there was a pent up demand for farmland in the state. When the Revolutionary War ended, a different government was in control. Land holdings of Loyalists and their Iroquois allies were confiscated by the new government and laid open to settlement thru companies like the Holland Land Company, and, of course, large grants of land were made to military veterans, with rank seeming to have its privileges. Baron von Steuben, whom I doubt ever set foot in New York before or during the war received a large grant in northern Oneida County, as did others. I believe that even George Washington himself was given a tract in northern New York. I'm afraid this is a rather non-scholarly treatment of the subject on my part, but I think it explains to some extent, the rapid expansion of settlement in New York following the colonial period. George Peek [log in to unmask] From [log in to unmask] Wed Dec 20 14:40:15 1995 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from postoffice4.mail.cornell.edu by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA16832; Wed, 20 Dec 1995 14:40:15 -0500 Received: from [132.236.102.109] ([132.236.102.109]) by postoffice4.mail.cornell.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id OAA04995 for <[log in to unmask]>; Wed, 20 Dec 1995 14:44:26 -0500 Date: Wed, 20 Dec 1995 14:44:26 -0500 X-Sender: [log in to unmask] Message-Id: <v02120000acfe7748203d@[132.236.102.25]> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: [log in to unmask] From: [log in to unmask] (carol kammen) Subject: Re: Patterns of settlement in central New York? content-length: 1715 There are a number of very good books on the subject of NY's westward expansion. Begin with David Ellis, et all, History of New York. The Chapter on land scpeculation is a good overview. In addition there is Joseph Chazanof, Ellicott and the Holland Land Company, and Wyckoff, Developers Frontier (Yale U press). Barbara Graymont explains the Iroquois situation during and after the Revolutionary War. In brief, before the Revulitionary War, travel or purchase of land was forbidden Americans of European background in Iroquois territory, which was defined as beyond the Unadilla River. After the Revolutionary War, NY claimed the western lands, sent in survey teams, and eventually deeded The Military Tract to veterans of the war in lieu of payment for their service. [This was the new Military Tract as the veterans were not interested in land in the Adirondacks at the time; they remembered the long winter retreat through that area and didn't view it as farm land.] Parcels of land west (and south) of the Military Tract were opened for sale while some was given to Massachusetts to grant as settlement land (though not to own ). Thus, the west was peopled rather quickly from 1800 to 1825 or so with people from the east who had not had land of their own, who farmed worn out land, or who wanted to take their chances as farmers or others in a 'frontier' area. This whole subject deserves a good deal more consideration than an e-mail message; I recommend starting with Ellis and then moving on to more specific treatments. Most county histories contain specific information about this period of settlement as do Town histories where they are available. From [log in to unmask] Wed Dec 20 17:17:49 1995 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from svcs1.digex.net by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA17055; Wed, 20 Dec 1995 17:17:48 -0500 Received: from 205.197.201.139 (dcc11984.slip.digex.net [205.197.201.139]) by svcs1.digex.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id RAA08764 for <[log in to unmask]>; Wed, 20 Dec 1995 17:22:04 -0500 Date: Wed, 20 Dec 1995 17:22:04 -0500 From: [log in to unmask] Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Patterns of settlement in central New York? To: [log in to unmask] In-Reply-To: <9512200710.AA0019@localhost> X-Mailer: SPRY Mail Version: 04.00.06.17 content-length: 554 Although George Peek submits some quite interesting ideas in response to Wes' inquiry about the post-Revolution settlement of central NYS, according to Isabel Kelsay in Joseph Brant -1743-1807 (Man of Two Worlds), the Iroquois did not have their lands confiscated by the government (either NYS nor the emerging federal govt), and numerous conferences were held regarding disposition of those lands. Furthermore, the Oneidas were allied with the Americans, and not therefore subject to any sanctions. Hope this does not confuse issues. Brian T. From [log in to unmask] Thu Dec 21 13:09:28 1995 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from future.dreamscape.com by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA18303; Thu, 21 Dec 1995 13:09:27 -0500 Received: from [206.64.128.146] ([206.64.128.146]) by future.dreamscape.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id NAA22887 for <[log in to unmask]>; Thu, 21 Dec 1995 13:11:52 -0500 Date: Thu, 21 Dec 1995 13:11:52 -0500 X-Sender: [log in to unmask] Message-Id: <v01530501acff0f1fbecb@[206.64.128.151]> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: [log in to unmask] From: [log in to unmask] (PETERSON) content-length: 390 A group of 8th and 9th grade students at Holland Patent are researching the economic history of the Mohawk Valley or Upstate area during the 20th Century. Is there a short article or student materials which would be appropriate? Thanks for any help. Patrick Peterson Teacher Center Director Holland Patent Teaching & Learning Center 9601 Main St. Holland Ptent, NY 13354 (315) 853-8938 From [log in to unmask] Thu Dec 21 17:07:46 1995 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from mail02.mail.aol.com by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA18937; Thu, 21 Dec 1995 17:07:45 -0500 Received: by mail02.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id RAA27963 for [log in to unmask]; Thu, 21 Dec 1995 17:11:55 -0500 Date: Thu, 21 Dec 1995 17:11:55 -0500 From: [log in to unmask] Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: No Subject content-length: 143 Holland Patent! What an interesting place name. Is there history in that name? Would anyone care to share it with a Bronx boy? Jim Maguire From [log in to unmask] Thu Dec 21 19:29:26 1995 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from emout05.mail.aol.com by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA19114; Thu, 21 Dec 1995 19:29:25 -0500 Received: by emout05.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id TAA09324 for [log in to unmask]; Thu, 21 Dec 1995 19:33:48 -0500 Date: Thu, 21 Dec 1995 19:33:48 -0500 From: [log in to unmask] Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: Moving Day content-length: 418 Hi Professor Burrows , this in John VanDereedt, one of your students from the past (1979). Subject; New York Committee of Safety, 1775-1776. I am still working at the National Archives. I do not have an answer to your question, but would be interest in keeping in contact . If you need any information about documents at the National Archives feel free to contact me. My telephone number at work is (202) 501-5426 From [log in to unmask] Fri Dec 22 06:29:22 1995 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from mail04.mail.aol.com by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA21770; Fri, 22 Dec 1995 06:29:21 -0500 Received: by mail04.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id GAA11757 for [log in to unmask]; Fri, 22 Dec 1995 06:33:46 -0500 Date: Fri, 22 Dec 1995 06:33:46 -0500 From: [log in to unmask] Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: Civil War soldier/unit research content-length: 162 Claire; Thanks so much for the information in reference to Civil war soldiers. I for one, really appreciate the time you took in writing out the article. Esther From [log in to unmask] Thu Dec 21 23:04:35 1995 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from mail06.mail.aol.com by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA19473; Thu, 21 Dec 1995 23:04:34 -0500 Received: by mail06.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id XAA17638 for [log in to unmask]; Thu, 21 Dec 1995 23:08:57 -0500 Date: Thu, 21 Dec 1995 23:08:57 -0500 From: [log in to unmask] Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: No Subject content-length: 212 The Depression-era book "New York: A Guide to the Empire State" compiled by workers of the Writers' Program of the Work Projects Administration, first published in November 1940, might be a good place to start. From [log in to unmask] Fri Dec 22 13:16:34 1995 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from MURRAY.FORDHAM.EDU by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA22648; Fri, 22 Dec 1995 13:16:33 -0500 Date: Fri, 22 Dec 1995 13:20:21 -0500 (EST) From: [log in to unmask] To: [log in to unmask] Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Patrick Peterson - economic history content-length: 262 An Albany architect & historian, John Waite, has done work on the industrial history of the Albany/Troy/Cohoes area -- in connection with a group at RPI. Waite's office is on Broadway. I have an address and citations, but not right at hand. -Steve Thomas, NYC From [log in to unmask] Fri Dec 22 14:33:27 1995 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from athens.emi.net (ns.emi.net) by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA22801; Fri, 22 Dec 1995 14:33:26 -0500 Received: from ttyCB.emi.net (ttyCB.emi.net [204.181.45.243]) by athens.emi.net (8.6.10/8.6.10) with SMTP id NAA16133 for <[log in to unmask]>; Fri, 22 Dec 1995 13:48:38 -0500 Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]> X-Sender: [log in to unmask] X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 22 Dec 1995 13:43:08 -0500 To: [log in to unmask] From: Patrick Eagan <[log in to unmask]> Subject: MALONET - NY 54th Militia content-length: 1665 My great-grandfather, Capt. Francis G. Maloney, commanded Company "I" of the 54th Regiment of the New York National Guard from October, 1863 until 1868 when he was promoted to Major. The 54th was federalized in July, 1864, sent to the Elmira, NY Prisoner of War camp as a guard unit, and mustered out in November of the same year. He was also active in the Machinist Union while still a member of the 54th and apparently held some views that were not popular with other union members. A letter to Maj. Maloney in the Rochester Union & Advertiser of 15 Februray 1870, and signed by most commisioned officers of the 54th, asked that Major Maloney tender his resignation in the regiment. The letter talked about "...action of the late Workingman's Convention at Albany in regard to our Major." Apparently he did not resign but a small article in the Union & Advertiser of 17 May 1870 carries the following: COURT MARTIAL - It is reported that charges have been preferred against Major Maloney of the 54th Regiment, and a Court Martial to be assembled the 1sr day of June next has been ordered. I have read every issue of the Union & Advertiser in 1870 from February until the end of July. I have found nothing to expand on the brief Court Martial article above. In addition, I have contacted the New York State Archives to see if they may be able to help to no avail. I have also sent a letter to the office of the New York Adjutant General but they forwarded it to the NY State Archives. Can anyone offer any suggestions as to what my next step may be? Pat Eagan 3901 NW 23rd Court Boca Raton, FL 33431 (407) 451-3131 From [log in to unmask] Fri Dec 22 15:37:32 1995 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from unix2 (unix2.nysed.gov) by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA22903; Fri, 22 Dec 1995 15:37:31 -0500 Received: from unix2.nysed.gov by unix2 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id PAA28606; Fri, 22 Dec 1995 15:41:58 -0500 Date: Fri, 22 Dec 1995 13:37:31 -0800 (PST) From: Jim Corsaro <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask] Cc: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: Patrick Peterson - economic history X-Sender: [log in to unmask] In-Reply-To: <[log in to unmask]> Message-Id: <Pine.PCP.3.91.951222132822.4464A-100000@[149.10.64.34]> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII content-length: 1290 Not having seen the original message and not knowing exactly what this is all about except it appears to be about industrial history of the Riverspark region, that is, Troy-Cohoes, New York, I wanted to mention that there has been a good deal of research and publication about the industrial history of that region. Books and articles by Walkowitz, Phelan, Turbin, Diana Waite and others have documented some of the labor/industrial as well as economic and architectural history of the region particularly for the late 19th century. There has been a good deal of unpublished research and ephemeral publications about the topic and the Hudson Mohawk Industrial Gateway has done much over the past couple of decades to promote the industrial history of the region. James Corsaro Associate Librarian Manuscripts and Special Collections New York State Library Empire State Plaza Albany, New York 12230 e-mail: [log in to unmask] (518) 474-5963 On Fri, 22 Dec 1995 [log in to unmask] wrote: > An Albany architect & historian, John Waite, has done work on the > industrial history of the Albany/Troy/Cohoes area -- in connection > with a group at RPI. Waite's office is on Broadway. I have an > address and citations, but not right at hand. > -Steve Thomas, NYC > From [log in to unmask] Fri Dec 22 17:15:37 1995 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from emout05.mail.aol.com by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA23200; Fri, 22 Dec 1995 17:15:36 -0500 Received: by emout05.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id RAA19082 for [log in to unmask]; Fri, 22 Dec 1995 17:20:01 -0500 Date: Fri, 22 Dec 1995 17:20:01 -0500 From: [log in to unmask] Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask] Cc: [log in to unmask] Subject: New York Militia Courts Martial Records content-length: 3973 In a message dated 95-12-22 15:51:19 EST, Patrick Eagan ([log in to unmask]) wrote: > COURT MARTIAL - It is reported that charges have been preferred against > Major Maloney of the 54th Regiment, and a Court Martial to be assembled > the 1st day of June next has been ordered. >I have read every issue of the Union & Advertiser in 1870 from February >until the end of July. I have found nothing to expand on the brief Court >Martial article above. In addition, I have contacted the New York State >Archives to see if they may be able to help to no avail. I have also sent a >letter to the office of the New York Adjutant General but they forwarded it >to the NY State Archives. > Can anyone offer any suggestions as to what my next step may be? I also have been trying to locate the specifics of several courts martial of one of my ancestors who served in the NY Militia (and later in the Regular Army during the War of 1812), but have thus far been unsuccessful. His Regular Army Service military records in the Nat'l Archives do not contain any relevant information. If anyone is able to provide an answer to both Mr. Eagan's and my questions, I would appreciate it very much. The two references I have are as follows: 1. 15 Feb 1810 "THE GOVERNOR SUSTAINS THE DECISION OF ANOTHER COURT-MARTIAL." G.O.: Headquarters, Albany, 15th February 1810 The Commander in Chief having maturely considered the appeal of Capt. GILBERT SEAMAN of the First Regiment of the First Brigade of Militia in the City and County of New York from the sentence of the Court Martial instituted for his trial and the Brigade orders of 20th Dec'r, 1809, approving in part of the same, cannot discover any just cause for disapproving of the said Brigade orders, and directs General Steddiford to cause the same to be carried into execution. By order of his Excellency: Sol. Van Rensselaer, Adj. Genl. (Ref: State of New York, "Public Papers of Daniel D. Tompkins, Governor of New York 1807-1817, Military, Vol. I, pp. 257-8.") [Note: NY State Archives searched the NY Adjutant General's files for the court-martial charges against Gilbert, but found the files do not go back to the years of interest.] 2. 19 Jan 1813 From "Public Papers of Daniel D. Tompkins, 1807-1817," Vol. I, NY and Albany, 1898, pp. 693-4: To: Lt. Col. Walter Grieve Subj: As to Courts Martial Dated: Albany, January 19, 1813. Sir-- Your communication of the 17th December last, and the order and notice of arrest annexed thereto have been recently received from the Adjutant General. By referring to the Act of this State passed April 2d, 1810, amending the militia law, you will find that the law contemplates that the officer whose duty it is to order any Court Martial, for the trial of officers, shall be furnished not only with a notice of arrest, but also with a copy of the charges on which the arrest is made (see public laws of 1810, page 58), and by the 73d section of the militia law of this State, passed 29th March, 1809, it is necessary to make the arrest and proceedings thereon legal, that the officer arrested be served with a copy of the charges in writing, signed by the arresting officer within three days after the arrest. (See public laws of 1809, page 234). I presume you have complied with the provisions of the last mentioned act, by having furnished Capt'ns SEAMAN and Tompson within three days after their arrest, with copies of the charges upon which the arrests were predicated, and it therefore only remains, that pursuant to the amendatory law above mentioned, you furnish the Adjutant General or myself with a copy of those charges, that I may be enabled to judge wether they will justify a Court Martial or not. Should they require or warrant it, your request for the organization of a Court Martial for the trial of said officers shall be immediately complied with. I am, d't Sir, respectfully, Your Ob't Serv't, /s/ Daniel D. Tompkins From [log in to unmask] Fri Dec 22 21:11:36 1995 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from sarah.albany.edu by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA23465; Fri, 22 Dec 1995 21:11:35 -0500 Received: from 128.204.1.103.albany.edu (thor.albany.edu [128.204.1.114]) by sarah.albany.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id VAA18712 for <[log in to unmask]>; Fri, 22 Dec 1995 21:14:57 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]> Comments: Authenticated sender is <gz580@[128.204.1.103]> From: "Gerald Zahavi" <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask] Date: Fri, 22 Dec 1995 21:15:29 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Subject: Patrick Peterson - economic history of the Mohawk Valley Return-Receipt-To: "Gerald Zahavi" <[log in to unmask]> Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.23) content-length: 2931 Re: Peterson's request for information about Mohawk Valley's 20th century industrial history. The Mohawk Valley is an excellent site for studying 20th century industrial development and the evolution of modern trade unionism. The authors and works cited by other list members are good places to begin. I''ve done a considerable amount of work myself on the industrial history of the Valley (broadly defined) -- from Rome to Schenectady, and have published (as well as WILL publish) a few pieces on the Fulton County leather and glove industries, and the General Electric works in Schenectady. Along with several graduate students in the Dept. of History at the University at Albany -- SUNY, I intend to initiate a video documentation/documentary project focusing on work and industry in the eastern portion of the Mohawk Valley next year. The products of our project will certainly be useful to public school teachers -- and I will make a point of announcing the completion of individual videotapes on this list. In the recent past, I consulted for the Rome Historical Society, the Albany Institute of History and Art, and the Hall of History Foundation in Schenectady on several industrial/economic history projects touching on various aspects of 20th century Mohawk valley economic history; these organizations have a considerable amount of information on industries in their surrounding area. There really is no good general overview of the Mohawk Valley as an industrial community; one has to piece the story together from various sources, including several late-19th and early 20th century general histories (available in most large research libraries and in the NYS Library). The Rome Historical Society has produced a lengthy exhibit planning script that includes a great deal of general information about Rome's economic history. For sources on 20th century Schenectady, contact me or George Wise of the GE R&D Center in Niskayuna with more specific requests -- we're both quite familiar with Schenectady's industrial history (particularly GE and ALCO). I'm also familiar with several studies (published and unpublished) of: Amsterdam's carpet industry, the development of the "Mohawk Valley Formula" by Remington Rand (a coordinated anti-organized labor propaganda campaign that was later adopted by the Steel industry), Canajoharie's Beech Nut company, and New York Mills near Utica.. I'm away from my office and my files right now, so I don't have specific citations, but I'll be happy to post a modest bibliography on Mohawk Valley industrial history on this list for Mr. Peterson and other interested folks -- right after New Years. Gerry Zahavi. ************************************************************************ Gerald Zahavi Email: [log in to unmask] Department of History Phone: 518-442-4780 University at Albany Fax: 518-442-3477 Albany, New York 12222 From [log in to unmask] Tue Dec 26 13:32:07 1995 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from mail06.mail.aol.com by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA29060; Tue, 26 Dec 1995 13:32:06 -0500 Received: by mail06.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id NAA29316 for [log in to unmask]; Tue, 26 Dec 1995 13:36:34 -0500 Date: Tue, 26 Dec 1995 13:36:34 -0500 From: [log in to unmask] Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: Journals of Western NY State Personages -Reply content-length: 280 Could anyone tell me where the naturalization records for someone who became a citizen in the Albany area and also in the Niagara Falls area be? The time period in question would be between the 1840s and early 1860s. I really appreciate any help that can be provided. Bob Weston From [log in to unmask] Wed Dec 27 16:10:19 1995 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from tip.nyslgti.gen.ny.us (nyslgti.gen.ny.us) by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA01118; Wed, 27 Dec 1995 16:10:18 -0500 Received: from [167.152.8.110] by tip.nyslgti.gen.ny.us with SMTP (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/25-eef) id AA05340; Wed, 27 Dec 1995 16:14:44 -0500 Date: Wed, 27 Dec 1995 16:14:44 -0500 Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]> X-Sender: [log in to unmask] X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: [log in to unmask] From: [log in to unmask] (Mary Wallen) Subject: Re: Journals of Western NY State Personages -Reply content-length: 612 >Could anyone tell me where the naturalization records for someone who became >a citizen in the Albany area and also in the Niagara Falls area be? The time >period in question would be between the 1840s and early 1860s. I really >appreciate any help that can be provided. > >Bob Weston > >The Albany County Hall of Records has naturalization records for Albany from1827 to 1978 open to the public. We are located at 250 South Pearl Street, Albany, NY 12202. Our phone number is 518-447-4500 and our hours are 8:30 to 4:30 Monday to Friday.. Mary Wallen Albany County Hall of Records [log in to unmask] From [log in to unmask] Thu Dec 28 22:45:22 1995 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from cat.syr.edu by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA03244; Thu, 28 Dec 1995 22:45:21 -0500 Received: from erc.cat.syr.edu by cat.syr.edu (4.1/1.0-6/5/90) id AA19962; Thu, 28 Dec 95 22:49:49 EST Received: by erc.cat.syr.edu (5.4R3.10/200.8.1.3) id AA01337; Thu, 28 Dec 1995 22:41:29 -0500 Date: Thu, 28 Dec 1995 22:41:29 -0500 (EST) From: Tom Edwards <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask] Cc: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: old ladies homes In-Reply-To: <[log in to unmask]> Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII content-length: 901 On Fri, 8 Dec 1995, Rick Friedline wrote: > Did the original query include "old men's homes"? If so, you might want to > look into various fraternal organizations retirement/old age homes. I know > that the Masons have had such facilities for a very long time (at least back > to the late 19th century) in many states. Other possibilities might be many > of the insurance fraternals such as Woodmen of the World, Sons of Norway, > Aid Association for Lutherans, Lutheran Brotherhood, etc. > Rick Friedline -- U of Iowa > [log in to unmask] > Sorry, I know its a little late but I have a question on a place called the Odd Fellows Home, in Stuyvesant NY.... A Thomas Edwards had once worked there. On his grave head stone is engraved with three chain links with the intials F L T inside. What does F L T stand for?? Any history of this meaning???? Thanks, Tom Chittenango, NY From [log in to unmask] Fri Dec 29 10:06:37 1995 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from mail.frontiernet.net by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA04154; Fri, 29 Dec 1995 10:06:37 -0500 Received: from usr1-65.frontiernet.net (usr1-65.frontiernet.net [204.168.13.65]) by mail.frontiernet.net (8.7.2/8.7.2) with SMTP id KAA19790; Fri, 29 Dec 1995 10:00:40 GMT Received: by usr1-65.frontiernet.net with Microsoft Mail id <[log in to unmask]>; Fri, 29 Dec 1995 10:02:15 -0500 Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]> From: D Stark <[log in to unmask]> To: "[log in to unmask]" <[log in to unmask]> Cc: "[log in to unmask]" <[log in to unmask]> Subject: RE: meaning of gravestone engraving Date: Fri, 29 Dec 1995 09:52:37 -0500 Encoding: 19 TEXT content-length: 774 Tom asked: Sorry, I know its a little late but I have a question on a place called the Odd Fellows Home, in Stuyvesant NY.... A Thomas Edwards had once worked there. On his grave head stone is engraved with three chain links with the intials F L T inside. What does F L T stand for?? Any history of this meaning???? The three chain links are the symbol for the Odd Fellows organization, and if my memory serves me correctly, the FLT is fellowship, love, and truth. I will check on that, if no one else comes up with the information. My grandfather just died last month, and he was a long time member of the organization. I think there is some literature, ect, in some of his personal belongings that I haven't sorted thru yet. dee [log in to unmask]