We all know that the history of NYS by Ellis, Frost et al was good in its
day, but has long outlived its usefulness with the changes in historical
studies these past 30 years. I heard sometime ago that there were some
plans to have a new history written jointly by a number of historians. Is
this still true? Is the project ongoing? Can anyone talk to the list
about this?
If there is not such a history in the works, what do you all think about
the need for a good, up-to-date history of the state? Any ideas about how
this could get done? Do any of your NYS local history teachers think it
is needed or have you found means of avoiding the need of a general college
textbook?
I will look forward to a discussion about this. I think it is a critical
need.
James Corsaro
Associate Librarian
Manuscripts and Special Collections
New York State Library
Empire State Plaza
Albany, New York 12230
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From: Bob Zenhausern <[log in to unmask]>
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I want to let you know about a project that is currently starting called
Grassroots. It is aimed at the K-12 crowd primarily, but the whole community
will take part. They will create a virtual representation of their neighborhoo
in a MOO (text based virtual reality) in combination with WWW pages. It will
possible to walk down the streets of any community and talk with the residents.
The reason I mention it here is because several individuals are planning
to create a past and future in addition to the present. These include:
Barrow, Alaska Brooklyn,NY and Dinwiddie, VA where the battle of Five
Forks in the Civil War is being recreated. I have appended more info.
The purpose of this project is to create a text based simulation of a
neighborhood in a MOO combined with a WWW page for the multi-media presentation
of that neighborhood. This will make it possible for anyone to walk down the
streets of your community, see and hear its flavor, and chat with the actual
residents.
We have the MOO and WWW resources on a Unibase node at no charge for anyone
who has telnet access. Training in the use of MOO and WWW will be
provided for those who who need this instruction. I have set the reply
field directly to me, so that a statement of interest will not spam the
List. If you have a comment that you want to go directly to the list
rather than to me, you must explicitly address it.
There are over 60 people who responded to my message and you should all
be subscribed to the list. If, after learning more about the project, you do
not wish to be involved, send mail to [log in to unmask] with the
message: signoff grass
For the rest of you let me give you some more details. First of all MOO
stands for MultiUser Object Oriented environment. It is simiar to the
text adventure games like Zork, except it is the participants who create the
rooms and exits. It is a role playing game where you create a character who
is a virtual persona of yourself who can interact with other characters in
the environment. The purpose of Grassroots is to create in text-based
virtual reality a representation of your school and its neighborhood, so that
individuals from other areas can explore that neighborhood and interact with
its inhabitants in real time chat.
The best way to understand this is to actually experience it and here are the
instructions on how to access Grassroots. I have set up a group account at
rdz.stjohns.edu for those who are ready to explore. Telnet to rdz.stjohns.edu
and at the login screen, type in grass as the userid and changeme as the
password. Note that if you make a mistake, do not use the delete or backspace
key to correct, but hit enter and start again. When you are prompted for
your full name, type it and when you are asked for a password create one. This
is the password ONLY for your name and has no bearing on the changeme password
for the Grass group. You will go through several screens that you can ignore
and will ultimately come to the main menu. Select 13 from the main menu and
5 from the Internet menu. When prompted for a site, type in rdz and enter and
when prompted for a port, type in 8888. This should bring you to the login
screen for Grassroots where you will type: co guest guest
You will then be connected to the Welcome Room where instructions on getting
started will be shown on the screen.
Note that there is considerable construction underway and there is mention of
Diversity University (DU). The database core is based on an August, 1994
version of DU and some of the highlights of that MOO are available as models.
If you do a little exploring you may find them. At this point, I would like
you to try to get this far and report back to the list your successes and
problems. In the near future we will set up tutorial sessions where myself
and others experienced with MOO will provide real time tutorials its use.
To quit the MOO, type /quit That will bring you back to rdz system.
Just type q and enter, until you have exited from the whole system.
Good luck and I will be looking for your feedback.
The MOO is under constant repair and if you get an error message of I/O error
or broken socket, log off and try again later.
Bob Zenhausern, Ph.D. Internet: [log in to unmask]
Psychology Department Unibase: [log in to unmask]
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Subject: Re: A New History of New York State
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A new history of the state is truly needed. In conducting research on labor and
the state in NY for my dissertation, I could not help but notice that most of
the state's history is really unwritten. These older texts lack the historical
sophistication of newer histories. They rarely connect the people to the state.
Robert wesser's work is by far best, but it is limited to the Progressive Era
and political parties. There is really no "one" NYS history that stands the
test of time. I would welcome any attempt to create one. I believe that there
is a need and an interest.
Richard Greenwald
Assistant Professor of History
SUNY-College at Morrisville
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Jim Corsaro:
NYSHA is sponsoring a new history of New York as part of its
centennial celebration. I don't know any particulars but Wendell Tripp,
ed. NY History, would know the particulars. I am not sure that this new
history will serve the needs of public school teachers, however.
I have always thought a series of well done pamphlets on topics of
interest - or that should be of interest -- to school children would be
more helpful than a text. These would be easy for teachers to use and for
the kids to read. They should be well illustrated, and come with a good
bibliography and perhaps even suggestions for student follow up on the
topic. They should be geared to two age groups, both 4th grade local
history and the older student too.
I would think funding would be possible for such a series or
possibly a NY publisher might be interested.
What do you think?
Carol Kammen
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Recognizing the need for a new textbook on New York State History
that reflects the tremendous richness of scholarship produced over
the past 30 years, the NYS Historical Association (in Cooperstown)
has commissioned seven distinguished scholars to produce individual
chapters to appear in a single volume under the editorship of Milton
Klein and Wendell Tripp. For more information contact Tripp at New
York History, Box 800, Cooperstown 13326 (607) 547-1481.
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The 8 Sep 95 issue of the Chronicle of Higher Education reports
that the U. of Tennessee- Knoxville has created an American Civil
War Homepage.
To connect to the page, point your web browser to:
http://cobweb.utcc.utk.edu/~hoemann/cwarhp.html
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From: Bob Zenhausern <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: A New Kind of History Text
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I am not an historian, but am monitoring this list for other projects. I
read the messages about the need for a new history text on NYS and was struck
by two points: the need for good illustrations and the fact that a text has
outlived its usefulness.
Despite my lack of knowledge in your area, I am presuming to make a
suggestion. Has anyone considered creating a dynamic textbook using the
WWW? It could provide links to primary and secondary sources. It would
clearly provide good illustrations. It would be flexible. It would provide
diversity of opinion. I can foresee many problems and you, the experts, will
see many more, but the idea has potential -- in my opinion.
If anyone is interested in exploring such a project, I have the WWW resources
here at St. John's University for development purposes. I can help in the
practical details of the WWW, but dont expect any great insights into History.
Bob Zenhausern, Ph.D. Internet: [log in to unmask]
Psychology Department Unibase: [log in to unmask]
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Date: Mon, 2 Oct 1995 12:33:22 -0900 (PDT)
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Carol Kammen:
I think you are correct in saying that a series of pamphlets on
various aspects of NYS history would probably be best for the 7th and
11th grade student; however, there still remains a need for a textbook
for college level students. In addition, the latter should not read like
a textbook but as a well-written work of popular history which the
average educated reader interested in NYS history would enjoy.
Jim C.
James Corsaro
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New York State Library
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On Mon, 2 Oct 1995, carol kammen wrote:
> Jim Corsaro:
> NYSHA is sponsoring a new history of New York as part of its
> centennial celebration. I don't know any particulars but Wendell Tripp,
> ed. NY History, would know the particulars. I am not sure that this new
> history will serve the needs of public school teachers, however.
> I have always thought a series of well done pamphlets on topics of
> interest - or that should be of interest -- to school children would be
> more helpful than a text. These would be easy for teachers to use and for
> the kids to read. They should be well illustrated, and come with a good
> bibliography and perhaps even suggestions for student follow up on the
> topic. They should be geared to two age groups, both 4th grade local
> history and the older student too.
> I would think funding would be possible for such a series or
> possibly a NY publisher might be interested.
> What do you think?
> Carol Kammen
>
>
>
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Does anyone know if there is a published history of Schoharie County? And,
if so, where can I purchase a copy?
Thanks
Ed Elton
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The most recent history is by Lester E and Anne Hendrix, "The Sloughters'
History of Schoharie County." This is the second edition, published in
1995 available from The Tryon Press 369 Main Street, Schoharie, NY
12157-0711. The Hendrix's published the book. There are some older
histoires too, see the good biblio. at the back. carolkammen
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Ed,
William E. Roscoe's _History of Schoharie County, New York_, originally
published in 1882, is the standard work. It was reprinted recently by
Heritage Books, 1540-E Pointer Ridge Pl., Bowie, MD 20716 (cost $54.00).
The reprint is in 2 paperback volumes and includes a new surname index
(hooray!). I can do lookups in my copy, if you have specific names,
places, or events.
Regards,
Dean
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> Does anyone know if there is a published history of Schoharie County? And,
> if so, where can I purchase a copy?
>
> Thanks
> Ed Elton
>
>
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I thought that a summary of the responses to my question about published
histories for Schoharie County might be of interest to all.
Before asking the question, I thought that Schoharie County did not have an
Historical Society. Today I talked to them by phone thanks to Barbara
Lauber. They are located at the Old Stone Fort Museum, RR 2 # 30A,
Schoharie, NY 12157-9802. Phone no. is 518-259-7192. They sell both of the
books mentioned below and publish a quarterly bulletin.
I'm sure everyone saw Dean Corwin's post about William E. Roscoe's "History
of Schoharie County, New York," first published in 1882 and now reprinted by
Heritage Books, 1540-E Pointer Ridge Pl., Bowie, MD 20716 (cost $54.00).
Carol Kammen identified another book. It is "The Sloughters' History of
Schoharie County" by Lester E and Anne Hendrix. The second edition,
published in
1995 is available from The Tryon Press 369 Main Street, Schoharie, NY
12157-0711.
Thanks again to everyone who responded.
Regards,
Ed Elton
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From: "Graves-Maureen" <[log in to unmask]>
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My mother just gave me an important tidbit of information in my search
for more information on William Simpson of Albany, NY. He died in 1888.
Per my mother, William was the gardener at the Hawley Estate in Albany,
NY. Later the Hawley Estate was bought by the St. Vincents parish in
Albany and some of the buildings were used for schoolrooms. In fact, my
mother attended "the glass school" - which was modelled on a greenhouse.
I think the theory of the day was that sunlight built healthy bodies,
so put the students in a greenhouse setting and they will be healthy and
strong. I believe the glass school was yorn down sometime ago. My
mother thinks the estate house is now used as a library.
Can anyone give me any good pointers to finding more information on the
Hawley Estate? When was it built? Who was Hawley?
What I am trying to find proof of a family legend that William Simpson
was the inventor of the Black Seeded Simpson lettuce variety. This is
probably the most popular variety of lettuce for home gardeners.
Here is my best source (Series: United States. Dept. of Agriculture.
Bureau of Plant Industry. Bulletin no. 69. Tracy, W.W. American
varieties of lettuce. Washington : G.P.O., 1904.)
" p. 103: White-Seeded Simpson. A very old variety,
known in this country for at least forty years. It is
said to be derived from Early Curled Silesia and to
have originated with Mr. Simpson, a market gardener
near Brooklyn, N.Y."
While this tends to disprove my family legend, I only know that William
Simpson was in Albany from 1865 until his death in 1888. Since he was
born circa 1810, he may have lived elsewhere.
In summary, I am hoping this lead on the Hawley Estate may yield new
clues.
Since I do not live in New York state, I am hoping recommended sources
will be available through interlibrary loan.
Thanks
Maureen
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When I was in Albany this summer, I had too little time to look at some
east manor Rensselaerwyck leases. Unfortunately, the leaseholders I was trying
to track were not the original ones. I have two questions I hope someone can
answer: 1) what percentage of the original leases (at least for the east manor)
exist and are available in the State Archives; and 2). when the original leases
were transferred, did the Van Rensselaers require that these transfers be
recorded--and to what extent were they?
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I am seeking records or narratives of Iroquois fishing during the late
18th and 19th ceturies. I would greatly appreciate any suggestions.
Michael Recht
Art Media Studies
Syracuse University
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Seeing Ed Elton's success in his query for a published history of
Schoharie Co. prompted me to ask:
Is there a published history of Niagara County?
Thank you for any clues.
Lillian Hall
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The county historian of Kings (Brooklyn) John Manbeck, in cooperation with
over 30 organizations is hosting the county's 1st annual History Fair.
You are welcome to attend! Friday October 13th from 1pm to 7:30pm at the
Brooklyn Borough Hall (209 Joralemon St). There will be many exhibits and
displays.
For more info, call Tony Giordano at (718) 871-8340
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Subject: Schenectady, Feb 1690
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I have seen one book printed by the Schenectady Hist. Soc on the attack on
Schenectady in Feb of 1690. I am interested in this subject and one family
in particular - that of Jan Janse Van Rotterdam (aka Jonkers)
Are there any books or manuscripts extent which goes into this in detail
(eg those who were taken prisoner - those who were killed - how those who
were left survived - why the gates were left open?)
Any help here would be appreciated.
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Subject: Hawley Estate, Albany NY -Reply
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The Hawley house still stands on the south side of Madison Avenue in
Albany, near the present campus of the College of St. Rose. It is now
used for offices, I believe. The Glass School is still there, I think, much
remodeled and now used by St. Rose, I think by its Music Department,
among others.
While I am probably distantly related to these Hawleys, I know little of
this branch of the family. If you want to contact me directly at
"INET:[log in to unmask], I will refer you to some possible
sources of information.
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Please excuse any repetition. This message is being cross-posted
to several lists.
For the American Studies Association meeting in Kansas City,
Missouri October 31-November 3, 1996 conference theme: Global
Migration, American Cultures, and the State" panelist sought
proposed session: Memory and Historical Space
This panel will focus on the public spaces where history and
memory converge. The historic built environment--whether single
landmark or vernacular structures or entire cultural
landscapes--will be the laboratory for examining how Americans
conceive the past--whether on the local, regional, or national
level--and how these conceptions change over time and are debated
among various individuals and groups. Present panel participants
will be looking at (1) Independence Hall as a Landmark of
History and Imagination; and (2) The Politics of Preservation:
Community Identity and Historical Consciousness. This panel will
seek to explore how the preservation, interpretation, and even
destruction of historic sites reveal the ways in which collective
memory is shaped. Papers are welcomed on any historical period
or place.
Please respond off-list to Paige Roberts [log in to unmask] or
Charlene Mires [log in to unmask]
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Subject: KINGS COUNTY HISTORY FAIR
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Subject: Brooklyn History Fair
Dear Mr. Evans,
I would appreciate it if you would forward the following posting
to NYHIST-L and any other group or individuals you believe would
be interested.
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
KINGS COUNTY - FIRST ANNUAL HISTORY FAIR
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On Friday, October 13th, Brooklyn's first annual history
fair will be held at Brooklyn Borough Hall (209 Joralemon St)
from 1 to 7:30pm. The fair is being hosted by Borough President
Howard Golden and the Kings County Historian John Manbeck. Over
30 exhibitors have agreed to participate in this exciting
venture.
Many of Brooklyn's neighborhood historical societies will be
participating. Among them will be the Sunset Park Historical
Society.
Their exhibit will include a slide presentation showing the
construction of the 4th Avenue BMT subway in 1912, historic
postcards showing scenes from
85 years ago and "artifacts" from an amateur archaeological "dig"
in Brooklyn.
A group of high school students, from Brooklyn In Time, will
be video taping interviews with visitors to the fair to preserve
the "history of the moment". Also participating will be thirty
students from Public School 160 who will be exhibiting the
results of their personal genealogy project.
This event is free and open to the general public. For more
information call Tony Giordano at (718) 871-8340.
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Hi Terry,
Just saw your post to the NYLIST in which you mention the existence of a
book about the Indian attack on Schenectady in 1690. The brother of one
of my ancestors and his family were killed in that attack, but I've never
seen a whole book devoted to the subject. I would appreciate it so much
if you could tell me the name of the book and date of publication. Many
thanks!
Wes Heath
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Due to political turmoil in England, Jacob Leisler was installed as Gov. of New
York province. This controversial move was not recognized by Albany officials,
but much of Schenectady did. According to some books I checked, the Schenec-
tady military commandant did not, and so the residents ignored "repeated
admonitions to keep sentinels posted and the gates of the stockade closed."
Also, because of the dispute with Albany, "It was alleged that because Albany
authorities warned Schenectady three days before the massacre that a watch
should be kept against possible attack by the French, the Dutch settlers posted
snowmen beside the stockade gates in derision of the anti-Leislers."
Sources:
Birch, John J. The Markers Speak: An Informal History of the Schenectaday
Area. Schenectady County Historical Society, 1962, pp33-43.
Hart, Larry. Tales of Old Schenectady Volume I: The Formative Years. Old Dorp
Books, 1975, pp31-34.
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Bob Sullivan [log in to unmask]
Schenectady County Public Library
99 Clinton Street Voice: (518) 388-4500
Schenectady, NY 12305-2083 Fax: (518) 386-2241
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"The Documentary History of the State of New York", a four volume set by
E.B.O'Callaghan, originally published in 1849 by Weed, Parsons & Company,
Albany, NY, has a lot of documentation on the Schenectady Massacre,
including a list of those killed and taken prisoners. Also there is a list
of persons to whom relief supplies were distributed by the citizens of
Albany. Also, in the section concerning the papers of the Administration
of Jacob Leisler, there are many mentions of the circumstances leading up
to and following the massacre.
This 4 volume set is available on CD-ROM produced by the FINE BOOKS Co,
Abilene, Texas. It is kind of pricey at about $129, but I have a copy and
am well pleased with it. I purchased my copy from HOPE FARM PRESS in
Saugherties. They have a WEB page... don't have an URL handy. You might
find the real books in a public library with a good local history section.
I imagine that the State Library in Albany would be likely to have a copy.
George Peek
in Liverpool, NY
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
"The Documentary History of the State of New York", a four volume set
by
E.B.O'Callaghan, originally published in 1849 by Weed, Parsons &
Company,
Albany, NY, has a lot of documentation on the Schenectady Massacre,
including a list of those killed and taken prisoners. Also there is
a list of persons to whom relief supplies were distributed by the
citizens of Albany. Also, in the section concerning the papers of
the Administration of Jacob Leisler, there are many mentions of the
circumstances leading up to and following the massacre.
This 4 volume set is available on CD-ROM produced by the FINE BOOKS
Co, Abilene, Texas. It is kind of pricey at about $129, but I have
a copy and am well pleased with it. I purchased my copy from HOPE
FARM PRESS in Saugherties. They have a WEB page... don't have an
URL handy. You might find the real books in a public library with a
good local history section. I imagine that the State Library in
Albany would be likely to have a copy.
George Peek in Liverpool, NY
<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
I think "massacre" is a touch too strong a term to apply to
casualties of war from an invading, genocidal army.
David D. Harris, Cherokee, TC3
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Subject: beyond 2000
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You all might like to pick up on this conversation from the standpoint of
your own communities. John Deal
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Subj: Re: A Spring Time for the Human Spirit
Date: 95-10-08 19:05:05 EDT
From: [log in to unmask] (Jay Gary)
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Keywords: future, groups
On Sun, 8 Oct 1995 [log in to unmask] wrote:
> I like very much the notion of setting aside one week in January for Year
> 2000 discussion throughout America (and elsewhere). It coheres with a deep
> need in this society for reflective time that is also community time.
> (Perhaps better the week of July 4? -- in order to permit
> outdoor neighborhood festivals?) even the Internet (gulp!), in favor of
> neighborhood reconnection.
I love Philadelphia and Independence Day, but in January most people are
already thinking about the New Year, and the connection to the next
Millennium. I would say put some logs on the fire and invite the neighbors
over.
> What would it take to make this real?
> -- Arthur Waskow
> <[log in to unmask]>
Moving from the idea stage to implementation should not be hard. I just
noticed in my local paper a notice on "Conversations 2000" a project
sponsored by the Colorado Endowment for the Humanities. They are holding
five series of small-group conversations on the coming millennium
starting, Oct 16 in my city in six locations. In the spirit of Thomas
Jefferson, the focus is on what you said, American identity, roots, and
family, community, the land and the American Dream beyond 2000.
The local community college, the local library, the local senior centers
center and local foundation are sponsoring the chats. I think any of us
could do this locally from January 1-7, 1996, kick-off a "Talk 2000" forum
in our area. We could probably generate some guidelines on this electronic
forum for conducting sessions, but it would take local groups like ALEPH
and others to spearhead things locally in Philadelphia. Who else is
interested in joining us?
Jay Gary "It wouldn't be the same without you!"
author, _The Star of 2000_ aka, The Millennium Doctor
E-mail: [log in to unmask] (719) 636-2000 Phone
"Follow the brightest star, as far as the brave may dare." -John Miles
* * * * TALK 2000 FORUM * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
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After some recent questions about our area, I thought some members who don't
live here might be interested in accessing our catalogs via the Internet.
1) Telnet to sallib.sals.edu. This will get you to the catalog of the Southern
Adirondack Library Association (covering Hamilton, Saratoga, Warren and
Washington counties) and the Mohawk Valley Library Association (covering
Fulton, Montgomery, Schenectady and Schoharie counties). All of the public
library holdings for the 8 counties are included, but not the historical
societies.
2) Gopher to sallib.sals.edu. Pick Library Catalogs from the top menu and
you'll see Regional Library Catalogs and the New York State Library. Besides
NYSL, you will be able to see the catalogs for Rensselaer Polytechnic
Institute, Skidmore College, Union College and the University at Albany.
(you can get to the SALS/MVLA catalog by choosing Hytelnet and searching by
keyword).
Albany and Rensselaer County library catalogs are not available on the net.
=====================================================================
Bob Sullivan [log in to unmask]
Schenectady County Public Library
99 Clinton Street Voice: (518) 388-4500
Schenectady, NY 12305-2083 Fax: (518) 386-2241
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I forgot one little detail in my last message - you should use the name GUEST
if you want to log into the SALS/MVLA catalog.
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Subject: Great New Civil War Book
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Sorry to be pushing a product on a listserv, but the book is great and the
money is going to a worthy cause.
Kevin McCoy
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I Will Try to Send You the Particulars of the Fight:
Maps and Letters from the New York State's
Civil War Newspapers, 1861-1863
This book is a collection of 27 letters from native New Yorkers
who served their country during the first two years of the war.
The letters were gathered from newspapers throughout the State
and were written by soldiers, sailors, was well as civilians.
The men and women who authored the letters describe their
contribution to the war effort, ranging from simply remaining
loyal in a occupied city, to fighting on the front line in a
major battle. From Big Bethal to Chancellorsville and from the
Atlantic to Arkansas, New Yorkers recorded their experiences and
shared them with their hometown readers.
Also included are 32 maps, most of which were reprinted from New
York City's major daily newspapers. They are paired with the
letters to give the reader a visual guide to events being
described. Together, the letters and the maps provide a unique
insight into the Civil War military and journalistic worlds.
I Will Try to Send You All the Particulars of the Fight may be
ordered from the Friends of the New York State Newspaper Project,
P.O. Box 2402, Albany, N.Y. 12220. The cost is $18 plus $4 for
shipping and handling. Make checks or money orders payable to
the Friends of the New York State Newspaper Project. All
proceeds will be used to microfilm newspapers throughout New York
State to make sure these valuable resources are preserved. For
more information on the Friends call 518-474-7491.
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We've been having some technical difficulty. If you posted
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The Hawley Estate was on the south side of Madison Avenue in Albany,
and is now owned, I believe, by the College of St Rose; the Hawley
house still stands, a late-nineteenth/early twentieth century Queen Anne
style building. The glass school, somewhat remodeled, was used as a
part of the elementary school of the former Vincentian Institute, a
Catholic K-8 parochial school closed in the 1970s. The glass school
,buildings are now used by St Rose, perhaps as a part of the Music
Department.
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I am trying locate a copy of Margaret Conners' book titled "Irish Working
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Each week the editors of this electronic discussion group will try to do
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Re: Van Rensselaer leases, they are not in the New York State Archives.
They are in the Manuscripts and Special Collections section of the New
York State Library as part of the Van Rensselaer Manor Papers. There is
an index to the names of the lessees available and although no count has
been made of the number of leases, there are about 2,000 of them.
Regarding the transfer of the leases from the Van Rensselaers to land
purchasers, we have no information. Further information about the lands
the family held in Albany and Rensselaer counties is available in the
respective county clerk's offices. Copies of the leases may be made if
the lease is in good condition. We do not have the staff time to examine
leases in depth, but welcome researchers to visit the Library to do their
research.
James Corsaro
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New York State Library
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On Fri, 6 Oct 1995, Scott Herrington wrote:
> When I was in Albany this summer, I had too little time to look at some
> east manor Rensselaerwyck leases. Unfortunately, the leaseholders I was trying
> to track were not the original ones. I have two questions I hope someone can
> answer: 1) what percentage of the original leases (at least for the east manor)
> exist and are available in the State Archives; and 2). when the original leases
> were transferred, did the Van Rensselaers require that these transfers be
> recorded--and to what extent were they?
>
>
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Yhe campowners of Stewart's Landing, Town of Stratford, Fulton County, are
presparing a short history of the Stewart's Landing area (on the outlet of
Canada Lake). There is an oral tradition of cannons and cannon balls being
hidden in the woods during the Revolution along what is now the snowmobile
trail from Caroga to Stewart's Landing. We can find no documentation of this
story. Is there someone who could direct us to some specific information of
the Revolutionary period in this area? Thank you. I hope I am using the
correct address. I did not receive any instructions when I subscribed to the
list, but have been enjoying it every day.
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Subject: Canal bicentennial
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November 17th is the bicentennial of the opening day of the Little
Falls Canal, the first true canal in New York State. This canal was
built by the Western Inland Lock Navigation Company as part of a
network of artificial works and natural waterway improvements
connecting the Mohawk River port at Schenectady with the Great Lakes
harbor at Oswego.
This private canals and navigations company was formed in May of
1792 and was bought out by New York State for the Erie Canal in 1820.
While often dismissed as a marginal precursor of the Erie Canal, it
was a dramatic and significant transportation development in its own
right.
This has been the subject of my research since 1983
and as part of our public outreach effort we have coordinated
community-based bicentennial programs along the old navigation route
since early 1992.
The next of these programs will be held November 17th and 18th,
as follows:
Friday, November 17th: [12:00 Noon] Lecture "The Forgotten Canals
of the 1790s" in the Orientation Theater, New York State Museum,
Albany.
Friday, November 17th: [7:00 PM] The same lecture in Benton Hall
Auditorium, City of Little Falls.
Saturday, November 18th: [10:00 AM - Noon] Interpreted walking
tour of the route of the 1795 canal, starting from Sterzinar Park,
South Ann Street, City of Little Falls.
Additional school-linked projects in the City of Little Falls will
be developed over the coming months, supported by the Little Falls
Public Library.
For more information on this program in particular, or on this
research and education project in general, contact me here or at
(518) 486-2037.
Philip Lord, Jr.
Chief, Historical Survey
New York State Museum
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Are there historians for Chatham or Columbia County? If so, query if
someone could forward us their addresses. Thanks.
Bob Underwood
American Embassy Lima
Unit 3725
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> Are there historians for Chatham or Columbia County? If so, query if
> someone could forward us their addresses. Thanks.
>
> Bob Underwood
> American Embassy Lima
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> APO AA 34031
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>Please see attached file for list of historians in Columbia County
(Chatham is not a county; it is a town within Columbia County)
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Columbia County Historian:
Mary Howell
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Three Associate Public Records Management Specialist Positions
New York State Archives and Records Administration, State
Education Department
Binghamton, Hauppauge, and Rochester NY
Starting salary: $43,620, with a $768 location pay differential
for Hauppauge.
The New York State Archives and Records Administration, External
Programs Division, is seeking applicants for three vacancies in
its Local Government Records Advisory Services. These three
positions serve as Regional Advisory Officers (RAO's) and work
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Minimum qualifications include:
Education -- a Masters' degree in history, government, business
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Studies, library science, information science, or archival
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Experience -- four years of records management experience in:
supervising records appraisal and disposition scheduling;
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The attached file is our first attempt at providing Steuben County history
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County of Steuben
Department of History and Archives
Bath, New York 14810
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Steuben County - A Brief History
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The great-great-grandmother county was Albany, the great-
grandmother county was Tryon, the grandmother county was Montgomery
and the mother was Ontario County. Through the energetic efforts of
Charles Williamson, the agent of the Pulteney Association of
England, the county of Steuben was formed, by an act of the
legislature, from Ontario County on March 18, 1796. The new county
was named after Frederic William Augustus "Baron Von Steuben", the
German drill master in our Revolutionary War. Steuben at that time
had a population of about 890 souls and an area of about 50 miles
square. Over the years portions have been annexed to Allegany,
Yates, Livingston and Schuyler Counties so that the present size of
Steuben is 1397 square miles of land area. Just as a matter of
comparison Steuben has 348 more square miles of land area than the
State of Rhode Island. The county lies upon the southern border of
the state, west of the center and some 190 miles from Albany.
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Phelps and Gorham, in 1788, obtained the Genesee Tract of
2,600,000 acres from Massachusetts by an act of the state
legislature. Two years later, in 1790, Phelps and Gorham conveyed
to Robert Morris, the great colonial banker and merchant, the land
remaining unsold, amounting to 1,200,000 acres. In 1792 Morris sold
to Colonel Charles Williamson, agent for an association of British
capitalists, nearly 1,200,000 acres, which became the Pulteney
Estate. The territory was surveyed into townships and lots for the
Pulteney Estate in 1792-93. In 1793 Col. Charles Williamson, agent
of the Pulteney estate, commenced a settlement at Bath, now the
county seat.
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The terrain is rolling with its hills marked by the Conhocton,
Canisteo and Tioga rivers, and their feeding streams and by the
waters of Lake Keuka, one of the Finger Lakes. Within a few minutes
one can drive from a low level of some 714 feet above sea level to
the top of high hills with a horizon, on a clear day, stretching
miles and miles over the waves of other hills.
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The village of Bath, which was the headquarters for the
Pulteney Estate in Steuben County, is situated on the beautiful
Conhocton River, and is at the junction of the Conhocton Valley and
the Keuka Lake Valley. The plain upon which it was built was called
Pine Plains. On the south are the evergreen-covered cliffs of
"Mossy Bank", from which Williamson obtained his first view of the
proposed city. Williamson's dreams of a metropolis at this point
were never realized.
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It was in Steuben County, at Hammondsport on Keuka Lake, that
Glenn Curtiss from 1907 on did much development of the aeroplane,
as it was then called. He developed the flying boat and thus became
known as the "Father of Naval Aviation".
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Steuben is a rural county, with a population of about 100,000
people. The largest industry in the county is farming with 1,400
farms and a market value of products sold of over $74,000,000.
Dairy farms, 465 of them, with 26,000 cows, are the main portion of
that amount. Other products that are raised are: potatoes, grapes,
vegetables and grain. Steuben County is number one in the
production of Italian cheeses in the state.
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The second largest industry in the county is tourism with much
scenic beauty, plentiful accommodations and many attractions. There
are many wineries that have tours and many museums to visit such
as: Corning Glass and Rockwell Museums in Corning, Glenn Curtiss
and the G.H. Taylor Wine Museums in Hammondsport and the Veterans
Administration Museum in Bath. Just last year a 400 passenger
dinner boat the "Keuka Maid" was launched on Keuka Lake.
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Many other industries: Corning Incorporated, Dresser Rand,
Phillips Lighting, Mercury Aircraft, Taylor Wine Co., Babcock
Ladder Co., McConnell Mfg. Co. and Air-Flo Mfg. Co. provide
employment for our residents and strengthen our economy.
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In Corning there is Corning Community College which has become
one of the better known community colleges in the state.
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Having been once the home of the Senecas, with its villages
and land and water trails familiar to "Red Jacket" and
"Cornplanter", Steuben although rural has grown and offers natural
beauty, serenity and comfortable living throughout its hills and
lakelands.
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By
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Richard G. Sherer
Steuben County =
Historian
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County of Steuben
Department of History and Archives
Bath, New York 14810
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Steuben County - A Brief History
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The great-great-grandmother county was Albany, the great-
grandmother county was Tryon, the grandmother county was Montgomery
and the mother was Ontario County. Through the energetic efforts of
Charles Williamson, the agent of the Pulteney Association of
England, the county of Steuben was formed, by an act of the
legislature, from Ontario County on March 18, 1796. The new county
was named after Frederic William Augustus "Baron Von Steuben", the
German drill master in our Revolutionary War. Steuben at that time
had a population of about 890 souls and an area of about 50 miles
square. Over the years portions have been annexed to Allegany,
Yates, Livingston and Schuyler Counties so that the present size of
Steuben is 1397 square miles of land area. Just as a matter of
comparison Steuben has 348 more square miles of land area than the
State of Rhode Island. The county lies upon the southern border of
the state, west of the center and some 190 miles from Albany.
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Phelps and Gorham, in 1788, obtained the Genesee Tract of
2,600,000 acres from Massachusetts by an act of the state
legislature. Two years later, in 1790, Phelps and Gorham conveyed
to Robert Morris, the great colonial banker and merchant, the land
remaining unsold, amounting to 1,200,000 acres. In 1792 Morris sold
to Colonel Charles Williamson, agent for an association of British
capitalists, nearly 1,200,000 acres, which became the Pulteney
Estate. The territory was surveyed into townships and lots for the
Pulteney Estate in 1792-93. In 1793 Col. Charles Williamson, agent
of the Pulteney estate, commenced a settlement at Bath, now the
county seat.
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The terrain is rolling with its hills marked by the Conhocton,
Canisteo and Tioga rivers, and their feeding streams and by the
waters of Lake Keuka, one of the Finger Lakes. Within a few minutes
one can drive from a low level of some 714 feet above sea level to
the top of high hills with a horizon, on a clear day, stretching
miles and miles over the waves of other hills.
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The village of Bath, which was the headquarters for the
Pulteney Estate in Steuben County, is situated on the beautiful
Conhocton River, and is at the junction of the Conhocton Valley and
the Keuka Lake Valley. The plain upon which it was built was called
Pine Plains. On the south are the evergreen-covered cliffs of
"Mossy Bank", from which Williamson obtained his first view of the
proposed city. Williamson's dreams of a metropolis at this point
were never realized.
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It was in Steuben County, at Hammondsport on Keuka Lake, that
Glenn Curtiss from 1907 on did much development of the aeroplane,
as it was then called. He developed the flying boat and thus became
known as the "Father of Naval Aviation".
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Steuben is a rural county, with a population of about 100,000
people. The largest industry in the county is farming with 1,400
farms and a market value of products sold of over $74,000,000.
Dairy farms, 465 of them, with 26,000 cows, are the main portion of
that amount. Other products that are raised are: potatoes, grapes,
vegetables and grain. Steuben County is number one in the
production of Italian cheeses in the state.
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The second largest industry in the county is tourism with much
scenic beauty, plentiful accommodations and many attractions. There
are many wineries that have tours and many museums to visit such
as: Corning Glass and Rockwell Museums in Corning, Glenn Curtiss
and the G.H. Taylor Wine Museums in Hammondsport and the Veterans
Administration Museum in Bath. Just last year a 400 passenger
dinner boat the "Keuka Maid" was launched on Keuka Lake.
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Many other industries: Corning Incorporated, Dresser Rand,
Phillips Lighting, Mercury Aircraft, Taylor Wine Co., Babcock
Ladder Co., McConnell Mfg. Co. and Air-Flo Mfg. Co. provide
employment for our residents and strengthen our economy.
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In Corning there is Corning Community College which has become
one of the better known community colleges in the state.
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Having been once the home of the Senecas, with its villages
and land and water trails familiar to "Red Jacket" and
"Cornplanter", Steuben although rural has grown and offers natural
beauty, serenity and comfortable living throughout its hills and
lakelands.
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By
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Richard G. Sherer
Steuben County =
Historian
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Steuben County offers a fascinating history ...
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You may be interested in "The Jim Drake Stories"
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Adam Haverling, the Bath Farmer for whom the Haverling Central
School District was named, was an eccentric with a passion for
education.
He made a pest of himself all over town, offering to donate
the land for a proper school with a proper curriculum. Haverling,
who couldn't read or write, got so frustrated with the people of
Bath that he went off to Hammondsport and offered them the school.
But in 1846, Bath school trustees finally accepted his offer.
Two years later, a new brick school - built for $2,180.66 - was
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The story of Adam Haverling is one of may fascinating tales
spun in a new book, "The Jim Drake Stories," published last month
by the Steuben County Bicentennial Commission. =
It's the second of three books planned as part of the county's
1996 bicentennial celebration.
Bath native James S. Drake was Steuben County attorney from
1930 until his death in 1961. He had a passion for local history
and recorded much of what he learned on typewritten sheets of
onion-skin paper.
When the old Steuben County treasurer's office was torn down
to make way for a new county office building in the 1980's, 40
boxes of Drakes' records and historical writings were found in its
attic.
Dick Sherer, the county historian, spent years getting up at
4:00am and reading Drake's papers for three hours each morning. He
discovered 300 previously unpublished historical stories about
Steuben County, 33 of which were collected for "The Jim Drake
Stories."
The 250-page hardcover book, which contains dozens of
historical photographs, covers the county from one end to the
other, from the colonial period to the 1950s.
In it you can learn about:
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* The 1830 trial of Elvira Comstock of Corning. She was
convicted after being indicted for "not having the fear of God
before her eyes, but being moved and seduced by the instigation of
the Devil, did place poison in whisky given her husband to drink,
causing his death."
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* How Corning edged out Addison as the location of the county's
second courthouse after a bitter battle.
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* How Avoca received its name.
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* The great nine-hour meteor show of Nov. 12-13, 1833, and how
it affected Steuben County politicians.
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But perhaps the most fascinating story in the new volume
concerns the legal contest that developed over Adam Haverling's
will following his death in 1859.
Doctors came from across the county to dispute in court
whether Haverling was sane. Witnesses testified that he carried a
book about herbs. When questioned about it, Haverling replied,
"Herbs are used by people who can't afford to die by a doctor's
hand."
Others talked about Haverlings's taste in clothing. He
reportedly considered men "soft and sissified" when they worn long
tight pants with a coat of a different color.
Acting Surrogate Harlow Hakes upheld the validity of
Haverling's will.
"The Jim Drake Stories" is a valuable addition to the
literature available on Steuben County history.
Copies are available by mail for $17.50, plus $3.00 for
shipping and handling. Checks should be made out to Steuben County
and sent to Richard Sherer, Steuben County Historian, 3 E. Pulteney
Square, Bath, NY 14810.
Or you can pick up your book on the second floor of the
Steuben County Clerk's building, in the office of Marion Springer,
and skip the $3.00 shipping and handling charge.=1A=
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