We all know that the history of NYS by Ellis, Frost et al was good in its day, but has long outlived its usefulness with the changes in historical studies these past 30 years. I heard sometime ago that there were some plans to have a new history written jointly by a number of historians. Is this still true? Is the project ongoing? Can anyone talk to the list about this? If there is not such a history in the works, what do you all think about the need for a good, up-to-date history of the state? Any ideas about how this could get done? Do any of your NYS local history teachers think it is needed or have you found means of avoiding the need of a general college textbook? I will look forward to a discussion about this. I think it is a critical need. James Corsaro Associate Librarian Manuscripts and Special Collections New York State Library Empire State Plaza Albany, New York 12230 e-mail: [log in to unmask] (518) 474-5963 From [log in to unmask] Sun Oct 1 11:02:22 1995 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from SJUVM.stjohns.edu by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA15621; Sun, 1 Oct 1995 11:02:21 -0400 Message-Id: <9510011502.AA15621@unix10> Received: from SJUVM.STJOHNS.EDU by SJUVM.stjohns.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R3) with BSMTP id 7169; Sun, 01 Oct 95 11:02:58 EDT Received: from sjuvm.stjohns.edu (NJE origin DRZ@SJUVM) by SJUVM.STJOHNS.EDU (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 7168; Sun, 1 Oct 1995 11:02:58 -0400 Date: Sun, 01 Oct 95 10:53:37 EDT From: Bob Zenhausern <[log in to unmask]> Subject: GrassRoots To: [log in to unmask] In-Reply-To: Message of Wed, 27 Sep 1995 19:02:05 -0400 from <[log in to unmask]> content-length: 4454 I want to let you know about a project that is currently starting called Grassroots. It is aimed at the K-12 crowd primarily, but the whole community will take part. They will create a virtual representation of their neighborhoo in a MOO (text based virtual reality) in combination with WWW pages. It will possible to walk down the streets of any community and talk with the residents. The reason I mention it here is because several individuals are planning to create a past and future in addition to the present. These include: Barrow, Alaska Brooklyn,NY and Dinwiddie, VA where the battle of Five Forks in the Civil War is being recreated. I have appended more info. The purpose of this project is to create a text based simulation of a neighborhood in a MOO combined with a WWW page for the multi-media presentation of that neighborhood. This will make it possible for anyone to walk down the streets of your community, see and hear its flavor, and chat with the actual residents. We have the MOO and WWW resources on a Unibase node at no charge for anyone who has telnet access. Training in the use of MOO and WWW will be provided for those who who need this instruction. I have set the reply field directly to me, so that a statement of interest will not spam the List. If you have a comment that you want to go directly to the list rather than to me, you must explicitly address it. There are over 60 people who responded to my message and you should all be subscribed to the list. If, after learning more about the project, you do not wish to be involved, send mail to [log in to unmask] with the message: signoff grass For the rest of you let me give you some more details. First of all MOO stands for MultiUser Object Oriented environment. It is simiar to the text adventure games like Zork, except it is the participants who create the rooms and exits. It is a role playing game where you create a character who is a virtual persona of yourself who can interact with other characters in the environment. The purpose of Grassroots is to create in text-based virtual reality a representation of your school and its neighborhood, so that individuals from other areas can explore that neighborhood and interact with its inhabitants in real time chat. The best way to understand this is to actually experience it and here are the instructions on how to access Grassroots. I have set up a group account at rdz.stjohns.edu for those who are ready to explore. Telnet to rdz.stjohns.edu and at the login screen, type in grass as the userid and changeme as the password. Note that if you make a mistake, do not use the delete or backspace key to correct, but hit enter and start again. When you are prompted for your full name, type it and when you are asked for a password create one. This is the password ONLY for your name and has no bearing on the changeme password for the Grass group. You will go through several screens that you can ignore and will ultimately come to the main menu. Select 13 from the main menu and 5 from the Internet menu. When prompted for a site, type in rdz and enter and when prompted for a port, type in 8888. This should bring you to the login screen for Grassroots where you will type: co guest guest You will then be connected to the Welcome Room where instructions on getting started will be shown on the screen. Note that there is considerable construction underway and there is mention of Diversity University (DU). The database core is based on an August, 1994 version of DU and some of the highlights of that MOO are available as models. If you do a little exploring you may find them. At this point, I would like you to try to get this far and report back to the list your successes and problems. In the near future we will set up tutorial sessions where myself and others experienced with MOO will provide real time tutorials its use. To quit the MOO, type /quit That will bring you back to rdz system. Just type q and enter, until you have exited from the whole system. Good luck and I will be looking for your feedback. The MOO is under constant repair and if you get an error message of I/O error or broken socket, log off and try again later. Bob Zenhausern, Ph.D. Internet: [log in to unmask] Psychology Department Unibase: [log in to unmask] SB 15 Marillac Phone: 718-990-6447 Jamaica, NY 11439 Fax: 718-990-6705 From [log in to unmask] Mon Oct 2 09:40:56 1995 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from snymorva.cs.snymor.edu by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA17678; Mon, 2 Oct 1995 09:40:55 -0400 Received: from snymorva.cs.snymor.edu by snymorva.cs.snymor.edu (PMDF V4.3-7 #5424) id <[log in to unmask]>; Mon, 2 Oct 1995 09:45:35 EDT Date: Mon, 02 Oct 1995 09:45:35 -0400 (EDT) From: Richard A Greenwald <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: A New History of New York State To: [log in to unmask] Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]> Organization: SUNY College of Agriculture & Technology - Morrisville, New York X-Vms-To: IN%"[log in to unmask]" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT content-length: 690 A new history of the state is truly needed. In conducting research on labor and the state in NY for my dissertation, I could not help but notice that most of the state's history is really unwritten. These older texts lack the historical sophistication of newer histories. They rarely connect the people to the state. Robert wesser's work is by far best, but it is limited to the Progressive Era and political parties. There is really no "one" NYS history that stands the test of time. I would welcome any attempt to create one. I believe that there is a need and an interest. Richard Greenwald Assistant Professor of History SUNY-College at Morrisville [log in to unmask] From [log in to unmask] Mon Oct 2 09:44:54 1995 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from postoffice4.mail.cornell.edu by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA17737; Mon, 2 Oct 1995 09:44:53 -0400 Received: from [132.236.102.17] (CU-DIALUP-0003.CIT.CORNELL.EDU [132.236.102.17]) by postoffice4.mail.cornell.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id JAA07884 for <[log in to unmask]>; Mon, 2 Oct 1995 09:47:37 -0400 Date: Mon, 2 Oct 1995 09:47:37 -0400 X-Sender: [log in to unmask] Message-Id: <v0212000300890b6e8bf2@[132.236.102.26]> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: [log in to unmask] From: [log in to unmask] (carol kammen) Subject: Re: A New History of New York State content-length: 943 Jim Corsaro: NYSHA is sponsoring a new history of New York as part of its centennial celebration. I don't know any particulars but Wendell Tripp, ed. NY History, would know the particulars. I am not sure that this new history will serve the needs of public school teachers, however. I have always thought a series of well done pamphlets on topics of interest - or that should be of interest -- to school children would be more helpful than a text. These would be easy for teachers to use and for the kids to read. They should be well illustrated, and come with a good bibliography and perhaps even suggestions for student follow up on the topic. They should be geared to two age groups, both 4th grade local history and the older student too. I would think funding would be possible for such a series or possibly a NY publisher might be interested. What do you think? Carol Kammen From [log in to unmask] Mon Oct 2 09:48:55 1995 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from unix5.nysed.gov by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA17795; Mon, 2 Oct 1995 09:48:54 -0400 Received: from museum.nysed.gov (dos90.nysed.gov) by unix5.nysed.gov (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA29497; Mon, 2 Oct 95 09:58:56 EDT Received: from MUSEUM/SpoolDir by museum.nysed.gov (Mercury 1.21); 2 Oct 95 09:58:27 EDT Received: from SpoolDir by MUSEUM (Mercury 1.21); 2 Oct 95 09:58:00 EDT From: "Stefan Bielinski" <[log in to unmask]> Organization: NYS Museum To: Jim Corsaro <[log in to unmask]>, [log in to unmask] Date: Mon, 2 Oct 1995 09:57:57 EDT Subject: Re: A New History of New York State Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail v3.22 Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]> content-length: 469 Recognizing the need for a new textbook on New York State History that reflects the tremendous richness of scholarship produced over the past 30 years, the NYS Historical Association (in Cooperstown) has commissioned seven distinguished scholars to produce individual chapters to appear in a single volume under the editorship of Milton Klein and Wendell Tripp. For more information contact Tripp at New York History, Box 800, Cooperstown 13326 (607) 547-1481. From [log in to unmask] Mon Oct 2 10:11:34 1995 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from MAIL.NYSED.GOV by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA17968; Mon, 2 Oct 1995 10:11:33 -0400 Received: from SEDDOM1-Message_Server by MAIL.NYSED.GOV with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 02 Oct 1995 10:23:46 -0400 Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]> X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Mon, 02 Oct 1995 10:15:39 -0400 From: William Evans <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Civil War resource content-length: 245 The 8 Sep 95 issue of the Chronicle of Higher Education reports that the U. of Tennessee- Knoxville has created an American Civil War Homepage. To connect to the page, point your web browser to: http://cobweb.utcc.utk.edu/~hoemann/cwarhp.html From [log in to unmask] Mon Oct 2 11:08:18 1995 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from SJUVM.stjohns.edu by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA18069; Mon, 2 Oct 1995 11:08:17 -0400 Message-Id: <9510021508.AA18069@unix10> Received: from SJUVM.STJOHNS.EDU by SJUVM.stjohns.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R3) with BSMTP id 6008; Mon, 02 Oct 95 11:08:34 EDT Received: from sjuvm.stjohns.edu (NJE origin DRZ@SJUVM) by SJUVM.STJOHNS.EDU (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 5998; Mon, 2 Oct 1995 11:08:33 -0400 Date: Mon, 02 Oct 95 10:58:23 EDT From: Bob Zenhausern <[log in to unmask]> Subject: A New Kind of History Text To: [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask] In-Reply-To: Message of Mon, 2 Oct 1995 09:57:57 EDT from <[log in to unmask]> content-length: 1138 I am not an historian, but am monitoring this list for other projects. I read the messages about the need for a new history text on NYS and was struck by two points: the need for good illustrations and the fact that a text has outlived its usefulness. Despite my lack of knowledge in your area, I am presuming to make a suggestion. Has anyone considered creating a dynamic textbook using the WWW? It could provide links to primary and secondary sources. It would clearly provide good illustrations. It would be flexible. It would provide diversity of opinion. I can foresee many problems and you, the experts, will see many more, but the idea has potential -- in my opinion. If anyone is interested in exploring such a project, I have the WWW resources here at St. John's University for development purposes. I can help in the practical details of the WWW, but dont expect any great insights into History. Bob Zenhausern, Ph.D. Internet: [log in to unmask] Psychology Department Unibase: [log in to unmask] SB 15 Marillac Phone: 718-990-6447 Jamaica, NY 11439 Fax: 718-990-6705 From [log in to unmask] Mon Oct 2 15:19:14 1995 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from vms1.nysed.gov by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA18769; Mon, 2 Oct 1995 15:19:13 -0400 Received: from unix2.nysed.gov ([149.10.64.34]) by vms1.nysed.gov with SMTP; Mon, 2 Oct 1995 15:22:40 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 2 Oct 1995 12:33:22 -0900 (PDT) From: Jim Corsaro <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask] Cc: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: A New History of New York State X-Sender: [log in to unmask] In-Reply-To: <v0212000300890b6e8bf2@[132.236.102.26]> Message-Id: <Pine.PCP.3.91.951002123042.4692A-100000@[149.10.64.34]> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII content-length: 1653 Carol Kammen: I think you are correct in saying that a series of pamphlets on various aspects of NYS history would probably be best for the 7th and 11th grade student; however, there still remains a need for a textbook for college level students. In addition, the latter should not read like a textbook but as a well-written work of popular history which the average educated reader interested in NYS history would enjoy. Jim C. James Corsaro Associate Librarian Manuscripts and Special Collections New York State Library Empire State Plaza Albany, New York 12230 e-mail: [log in to unmask] (518) 474-5963 On Mon, 2 Oct 1995, carol kammen wrote: > Jim Corsaro: > NYSHA is sponsoring a new history of New York as part of its > centennial celebration. I don't know any particulars but Wendell Tripp, > ed. NY History, would know the particulars. I am not sure that this new > history will serve the needs of public school teachers, however. > I have always thought a series of well done pamphlets on topics of > interest - or that should be of interest -- to school children would be > more helpful than a text. These would be easy for teachers to use and for > the kids to read. They should be well illustrated, and come with a good > bibliography and perhaps even suggestions for student follow up on the > topic. They should be geared to two age groups, both 4th grade local > history and the older student too. > I would think funding would be possible for such a series or > possibly a NY publisher might be interested. > What do you think? > Carol Kammen > > > From [log in to unmask] Tue Oct 3 20:26:54 1995 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from mail06.mail.aol.com by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA21664; Tue, 3 Oct 1995 20:26:53 -0400 Received: by mail06.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id UAA19981 for [log in to unmask]; Tue, 3 Oct 1995 20:29:45 -0400 Date: Tue, 3 Oct 1995 20:29:45 -0400 From: [log in to unmask] Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Schoharie County content-length: 130 Does anyone know if there is a published history of Schoharie County? And, if so, where can I purchase a copy? Thanks Ed Elton From [log in to unmask] Wed Oct 4 09:46:33 1995 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from postoffice4.mail.cornell.edu by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA22403; Wed, 4 Oct 1995 09:46:33 -0400 Received: from [132.236.102.31] (CU-DIALUP-0017.CIT.CORNELL.EDU [132.236.102.31]) by postoffice4.mail.cornell.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id JAA26214 for <[log in to unmask]>; Wed, 4 Oct 1995 09:49:17 -0400 Date: Wed, 4 Oct 1995 09:49:17 -0400 X-Sender: [log in to unmask] Message-Id: <v02120000008bb1193e3d@[132.236.102.105]> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: [log in to unmask] From: [log in to unmask] (carol kammen) Subject: Re: Schoharie County content-length: 347 The most recent history is by Lester E and Anne Hendrix, "The Sloughters' History of Schoharie County." This is the second edition, published in 1995 available from The Tryon Press 369 Main Street, Schoharie, NY 12157-0711. The Hendrix's published the book. There are some older histoires too, see the good biblio. at the back. carolkammen From [log in to unmask] Wed Oct 4 10:05:43 1995 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from unlinfo.unl.edu by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA22467; Wed, 4 Oct 1995 10:05:42 -0400 Received: by unlinfo.unl.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA10279; Wed, 4 Oct 95 09:08:32 CDT Date: Wed, 4 Oct 1995 09:08:31 -0500 (CDT) From: dean corwin <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: Schoharie County To: [log in to unmask] Cc: [log in to unmask] In-Reply-To: <[log in to unmask]> Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII content-length: 610 Ed, William E. Roscoe's _History of Schoharie County, New York_, originally published in 1882, is the standard work. It was reprinted recently by Heritage Books, 1540-E Pointer Ridge Pl., Bowie, MD 20716 (cost $54.00). The reprint is in 2 paperback volumes and includes a new surname index (hooray!). I can do lookups in my copy, if you have specific names, places, or events. Regards, Dean [log in to unmask] On Tue, 3 Oct 1995 [log in to unmask] wrote: > Does anyone know if there is a published history of Schoharie County? And, > if so, where can I purchase a copy? > > Thanks > Ed Elton > > From [log in to unmask] Thu Oct 5 13:53:26 1995 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from mail02.mail.aol.com by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA25053; Thu, 5 Oct 1995 13:53:25 -0400 Received: by mail02.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id NAA21247 for [log in to unmask]; Thu, 5 Oct 1995 13:56:19 -0400 Date: Thu, 5 Oct 1995 13:56:19 -0400 From: [log in to unmask] Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: Schoharie County content-length: 1012 I thought that a summary of the responses to my question about published histories for Schoharie County might be of interest to all. Before asking the question, I thought that Schoharie County did not have an Historical Society. Today I talked to them by phone thanks to Barbara Lauber. They are located at the Old Stone Fort Museum, RR 2 # 30A, Schoharie, NY 12157-9802. Phone no. is 518-259-7192. They sell both of the books mentioned below and publish a quarterly bulletin. I'm sure everyone saw Dean Corwin's post about William E. Roscoe's "History of Schoharie County, New York," first published in 1882 and now reprinted by Heritage Books, 1540-E Pointer Ridge Pl., Bowie, MD 20716 (cost $54.00). Carol Kammen identified another book. It is "The Sloughters' History of Schoharie County" by Lester E and Anne Hendrix. The second edition, published in 1995 is available from The Tryon Press 369 Main Street, Schoharie, NY 12157-0711. Thanks again to everyone who responded. Regards, Ed Elton From [log in to unmask] Fri Oct 6 13:37:41 1995 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from TSOD.LMIG.COM by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA27308; Fri, 6 Oct 1995 13:37:39 -0400 Received: by TSOD.LMIG.COM (Soft-Switch Central V4L380P3); 06 Oct 1995 13:38:13 GMT Message-Id: <MSMAIL.GRAVESM.3280.1995 10 0613 38 13 38> Date: 06 Oct 1995 13:38:13 GMT From: "Graves-Maureen" <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Hawley Estate, Albany NY To: [log in to unmask] Comment: MEMO content-length: 1943 My mother just gave me an important tidbit of information in my search for more information on William Simpson of Albany, NY. He died in 1888. Per my mother, William was the gardener at the Hawley Estate in Albany, NY. Later the Hawley Estate was bought by the St. Vincents parish in Albany and some of the buildings were used for schoolrooms. In fact, my mother attended "the glass school" - which was modelled on a greenhouse. I think the theory of the day was that sunlight built healthy bodies, so put the students in a greenhouse setting and they will be healthy and strong. I believe the glass school was yorn down sometime ago. My mother thinks the estate house is now used as a library. Can anyone give me any good pointers to finding more information on the Hawley Estate? When was it built? Who was Hawley? What I am trying to find proof of a family legend that William Simpson was the inventor of the Black Seeded Simpson lettuce variety. This is probably the most popular variety of lettuce for home gardeners. Here is my best source (Series: United States. Dept. of Agriculture. Bureau of Plant Industry. Bulletin no. 69. Tracy, W.W. American varieties of lettuce. Washington : G.P.O., 1904.) " p. 103: White-Seeded Simpson. A very old variety, known in this country for at least forty years. It is said to be derived from Early Curled Silesia and to have originated with Mr. Simpson, a market gardener near Brooklyn, N.Y." While this tends to disprove my family legend, I only know that William Simpson was in Albany from 1865 until his death in 1888. Since he was born circa 1810, he may have lived elsewhere. In summary, I am hoping this lead on the Hawley Estate may yield new clues. Since I do not live in New York state, I am hoping recommended sources will be available through interlibrary loan. Thanks Maureen [log in to unmask] From [log in to unmask] Fri Oct 6 17:47:24 1995 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from post3.inre.asu.edu by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA27969; Fri, 6 Oct 1995 17:47:22 -0400 Received: from x1.asu.edu by asu.edu (PMDF V4.3-10 #7723) id <[log in to unmask]>; Fri, 06 Oct 1995 14:49:59 -0700 (MST) Received: from scott.lib.asu.edu (scott.LIB.ASU.EDU [129.219.246.22]) by x1.asu.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id OAA16878; Fri, 6 Oct 1995 14:49:15 -0700 Date: Fri, 06 Oct 1995 14:54:59 -0700 From: Scott Herrington <[log in to unmask]> Subject: East Manor Rensselaerwyck Leases To: [log in to unmask] Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]> Content-Type: TEXT/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT content-length: 518 When I was in Albany this summer, I had too little time to look at some east manor Rensselaerwyck leases. Unfortunately, the leaseholders I was trying to track were not the original ones. I have two questions I hope someone can answer: 1) what percentage of the original leases (at least for the east manor) exist and are available in the State Archives; and 2). when the original leases were transferred, did the Van Rensselaers require that these transfers be recorded--and to what extent were they? From [log in to unmask] Fri Oct 6 22:28:51 1995 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from mailsender.syr.edu by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA28173; Fri, 6 Oct 1995 22:28:51 -0400 Received: from mothra.syr.edu ([log in to unmask] [128.230.1.27]) by mailsender.syr.edu (8.7/8.7) with SMTP id WAA07989 for <[log in to unmask]>; Fri, 6 Oct 1995 22:31:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mothra.syr.edu (4.1/Spike-2.0) id AA00897; Fri, 6 Oct 95 22:31:07 EDT Date: Fri, 6 Oct 1995 22:31:07 -0400 (EDT) From: "Michael M. Recht" <[log in to unmask]> X-Sender: [log in to unmask] To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Iroquois fishing Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII content-length: 217 I am seeking records or narratives of Iroquois fishing during the late 18th and 19th ceturies. I would greatly appreciate any suggestions. Michael Recht Art Media Studies Syracuse University [log in to unmask] From [log in to unmask] Fri Oct 6 23:09:58 1995 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from pimaia1y.prodigy.com by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA28256; Fri, 6 Oct 1995 23:09:47 -0400 Received: from mail.prodigy.com (mail.prodigy.com [199.4.137.13]) by pimaia1y.prodigy.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) with SMTP id XAA27370 for <[log in to unmask]>; Fri, 6 Oct 1995 23:07:23 -0400 Date: Fri, 06 Oct 1995 23:08:48 EDT From: [log in to unmask] ( LILLIAN G HALL) X-Mailer: PRODIGY Services Company Internet mailer [PIM 3.2-342.56] Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Niagara County History? content-length: 211 Seeing Ed Elton's success in his query for a published history of Schoharie Co. prompted me to ask: Is there a published history of Niagara County? Thank you for any clues. Lillian Hall [log in to unmask] From [log in to unmask] Fri Oct 6 22:53:10 1995 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from emout04.mail.aol.com by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA28235; Fri, 6 Oct 1995 22:53:07 -0400 Received: by emout04.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id WAA15484 for [log in to unmask]; Fri, 6 Oct 1995 22:51:40 -0400 Date: Fri, 6 Oct 1995 22:51:40 -0400 From: [log in to unmask] Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Kings County History Fair content-length: 359 The county historian of Kings (Brooklyn) John Manbeck, in cooperation with over 30 organizations is hosting the county's 1st annual History Fair. You are welcome to attend! Friday October 13th from 1pm to 7:30pm at the Brooklyn Borough Hall (209 Joralemon St). There will be many exhibits and displays. For more info, call Tony Giordano at (718) 871-8340 From [log in to unmask] Mon Oct 9 08:18:26 1995 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from limestone.kosone.com by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA01540; Mon, 9 Oct 1995 08:18:25 -0400 Received: from kosppp14.kosone.com by limestone.kosone.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA14442; Mon, 9 Oct 95 08:14:57 EDT Date: Mon, 9 Oct 95 08:14:56 EDT Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]> X-Sender: [log in to unmask] X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: [log in to unmask] From: [log in to unmask] (terry deline) Subject: Schenectady, Feb 1690 content-length: 450 I have seen one book printed by the Schenectady Hist. Soc on the attack on Schenectady in Feb of 1690. I am interested in this subject and one family in particular - that of Jan Janse Van Rotterdam (aka Jonkers) Are there any books or manuscripts extent which goes into this in detail (eg those who were taken prisoner - those who were killed - how those who were left survived - why the gates were left open?) Any help here would be appreciated. From [log in to unmask] Tue Oct 10 08:49:05 1995 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from MAIL.NYSED.GOV by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA02918; Tue, 10 Oct 1995 08:49:05 -0400 Received: from SEDDOM1-Message_Server by MAIL.NYSED.GOV with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 10 Oct 1995 08:53:34 -0400 Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]> X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Tue, 10 Oct 1995 08:53:32 -0400 From: Bob Arnold <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Hawley Estate, Albany NY -Reply content-length: 531 The Hawley house still stands on the south side of Madison Avenue in Albany, near the present campus of the College of St. Rose. It is now used for offices, I believe. The Glass School is still there, I think, much remodeled and now used by St. Rose, I think by its Music Department, among others. While I am probably distantly related to these Hawleys, I know little of this branch of the family. If you want to contact me directly at "INET:[log in to unmask], I will refer you to some possible sources of information. From [log in to unmask] Tue Oct 10 09:50:01 1995 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from MAIL.NYSED.GOV by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA03401; Tue, 10 Oct 1995 09:50:00 -0400 Received: from SEDDOM1-Message_Server by MAIL.NYSED.GOV with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 10 Oct 1995 09:54:49 -0400 Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]> X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Tue, 10 Oct 1995 09:54:54 -0400 From: William Evans <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask] Subject: CFP content-length: 1265 Please excuse any repetition. This message is being cross-posted to several lists. For the American Studies Association meeting in Kansas City, Missouri October 31-November 3, 1996 conference theme: Global Migration, American Cultures, and the State" panelist sought proposed session: Memory and Historical Space This panel will focus on the public spaces where history and memory converge. The historic built environment--whether single landmark or vernacular structures or entire cultural landscapes--will be the laboratory for examining how Americans conceive the past--whether on the local, regional, or national level--and how these conceptions change over time and are debated among various individuals and groups. Present panel participants will be looking at (1) Independence Hall as a Landmark of History and Imagination; and (2) The Politics of Preservation: Community Identity and Historical Consciousness. This panel will seek to explore how the preservation, interpretation, and even destruction of historic sites reveal the ways in which collective memory is shaped. Papers are welcomed on any historical period or place. Please respond off-list to Paige Roberts [log in to unmask] or Charlene Mires [log in to unmask] From [log in to unmask] Tue Oct 10 10:00:42 1995 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from MAIL.NYSED.GOV by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA03451; Tue, 10 Oct 1995 10:00:41 -0400 Received: from SEDDOM1-Message_Server by MAIL.NYSED.GOV with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 10 Oct 1995 10:05:30 -0400 Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]> X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Tue, 10 Oct 1995 10:05:35 -0400 From: William Evans <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask] Subject: KINGS COUNTY HISTORY FAIR content-length: 1495 Date: Sunday, October 8, 1995 8:50 pm Subject: Brooklyn History Fair Dear Mr. Evans, I would appreciate it if you would forward the following posting to NYHIST-L and any other group or individuals you believe would be interested. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= KINGS COUNTY - FIRST ANNUAL HISTORY FAIR =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= On Friday, October 13th, Brooklyn's first annual history fair will be held at Brooklyn Borough Hall (209 Joralemon St) from 1 to 7:30pm. The fair is being hosted by Borough President Howard Golden and the Kings County Historian John Manbeck. Over 30 exhibitors have agreed to participate in this exciting venture. Many of Brooklyn's neighborhood historical societies will be participating. Among them will be the Sunset Park Historical Society. Their exhibit will include a slide presentation showing the construction of the 4th Avenue BMT subway in 1912, historic postcards showing scenes from 85 years ago and "artifacts" from an amateur archaeological "dig" in Brooklyn. A group of high school students, from Brooklyn In Time, will be video taping interviews with visitors to the fair to preserve the "history of the moment". Also participating will be thirty students from Public School 160 who will be exhibiting the results of their personal genealogy project. This event is free and open to the general public. For more information call Tony Giordano at (718) 871-8340. From [log in to unmask] Tue Oct 10 11:29:56 1995 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from efn.efn.org (efn.org) by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA03706; Tue, 10 Oct 1995 11:29:54 -0400 Received: from caritas.efn.org by efn.efn.org (4.1/smail2.5/05-07-92) id AA29147; Tue, 10 Oct 95 08:32:37 PDT Received: from garcia.efn.org (garcia.efn.org [198.68.17.5]) by caritas.efn.org (8.7/8.7) with SMTP id IAA02463 for <[log in to unmask]>; Tue, 10 Oct 1995 08:32:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: by garcia.efn.org (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA04057; Tue, 10 Oct 95 08:32:43 PDT Date: Tue, 10 Oct 1995 08:32:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Westleigh Heath <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: Schenectady, Feb 1690 In-Reply-To: <[log in to unmask]> Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII content-length: 398 Hi Terry, Just saw your post to the NYLIST in which you mention the existence of a book about the Indian attack on Schenectady in 1690. The brother of one of my ancestors and his family were killed in that attack, but I've never seen a whole book devoted to the subject. I would appreciate it so much if you could tell me the name of the book and date of publication. Many thanks! Wes Heath From [log in to unmask] Tue Oct 10 15:55:21 1995 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from sallib.sals.edu by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA04452; Tue, 10 Oct 1995 15:55:20 -0400 Date: Tue, 10 Oct 1995 15:58:10 -0400 (EDT) From: Robert Sullivan <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask] Cc: [log in to unmask] Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]> Subject: RE: Schenectady, Feb 1690 content-length: 1266 Due to political turmoil in England, Jacob Leisler was installed as Gov. of New York province. This controversial move was not recognized by Albany officials, but much of Schenectady did. According to some books I checked, the Schenec- tady military commandant did not, and so the residents ignored "repeated admonitions to keep sentinels posted and the gates of the stockade closed." Also, because of the dispute with Albany, "It was alleged that because Albany authorities warned Schenectady three days before the massacre that a watch should be kept against possible attack by the French, the Dutch settlers posted snowmen beside the stockade gates in derision of the anti-Leislers." Sources: Birch, John J. The Markers Speak: An Informal History of the Schenectaday Area. Schenectady County Historical Society, 1962, pp33-43. Hart, Larry. Tales of Old Schenectady Volume I: The Formative Years. Old Dorp Books, 1975, pp31-34. ===================================================================== Bob Sullivan [log in to unmask] Schenectady County Public Library 99 Clinton Street Voice: (518) 388-4500 Schenectady, NY 12305-2083 Fax: (518) 386-2241 From [log in to unmask] Tue Oct 10 23:47:28 1995 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from smtp-gw01.ca.us.ibm.net by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA04883; Tue, 10 Oct 1995 23:47:26 -0400 From: [log in to unmask] Received: (from uucp@localhost) by smtp-gw01.ca.us.ibm.net (8.6.9/8.6.9) id DAA07375 for <[log in to unmask]>; Wed, 11 Oct 1995 03:51:39 GMT Received: from slip37-221-90.ibm.net(129.37.221.90) by smtp-gw01.ca.us.ibm.net via smap (V1.3mjr) id smaKMQC92; Wed Oct 11 03:51:14 1995 Received: by localhost (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 1.3.14/2.12um) id AA0024; Tue, 10 Oct 95 23:30:35 -0700 Message-Id: <9510110630.AA0024@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 10 Oct 95 23:18:18 +0500 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: Schenectady, Feb 1690 X-Mailer: Ultimedia Mail/2 Lite, IBM T. J. Watson Research Center Content-Id: <20_58_1_813381498> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit content-length: 1022 "The Documentary History of the State of New York", a four volume set by E.B.O'Callaghan, originally published in 1849 by Weed, Parsons & Company, Albany, NY, has a lot of documentation on the Schenectady Massacre, including a list of those killed and taken prisoners. Also there is a list of persons to whom relief supplies were distributed by the citizens of Albany. Also, in the section concerning the papers of the Administration of Jacob Leisler, there are many mentions of the circumstances leading up to and following the massacre. This 4 volume set is available on CD-ROM produced by the FINE BOOKS Co, Abilene, Texas. It is kind of pricey at about $129, but I have a copy and am well pleased with it. I purchased my copy from HOPE FARM PRESS in Saugherties. They have a WEB page... don't have an URL handy. You might find the real books in a public library with a good local history section. I imagine that the State Library in Albany would be likely to have a copy. George Peek in Liverpool, NY From [log in to unmask] Wed Oct 11 11:01:02 1995 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from sunytccc.edu by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA05652; Wed, 11 Oct 1995 11:01:00 -0400 Received: from TC3-MIS-Message_Server by sunytccc.edu with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 11 Oct 1995 11:04:54 -0400 Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]> X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Wed, 11 Oct 1995 11:05:55 -0400 From: David Harris <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: Schenectady, Feb 1690 -Reply content-length: 1199 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "The Documentary History of the State of New York", a four volume set by E.B.O'Callaghan, originally published in 1849 by Weed, Parsons & Company, Albany, NY, has a lot of documentation on the Schenectady Massacre, including a list of those killed and taken prisoners. Also there is a list of persons to whom relief supplies were distributed by the citizens of Albany. Also, in the section concerning the papers of the Administration of Jacob Leisler, there are many mentions of the circumstances leading up to and following the massacre. This 4 volume set is available on CD-ROM produced by the FINE BOOKS Co, Abilene, Texas. It is kind of pricey at about $129, but I have a copy and am well pleased with it. I purchased my copy from HOPE FARM PRESS in Saugherties. They have a WEB page... don't have an URL handy. You might find the real books in a public library with a good local history section. I imagine that the State Library in Albany would be likely to have a copy. George Peek in Liverpool, NY <<<<<<<<<<<<<<< I think "massacre" is a touch too strong a term to apply to casualties of war from an invading, genocidal army. David D. Harris, Cherokee, TC3 From [log in to unmask] Wed Oct 11 11:39:10 1995 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from emout04.mail.aol.com by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA05687; Wed, 11 Oct 1995 11:39:09 -0400 Received: by emout04.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id LAA10567; Wed, 11 Oct 1995 11:34:32 -0400 Date: Wed, 11 Oct 1995 11:34:32 -0400 From: [log in to unmask] Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask] (rogersmith) Cc: [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask] (sidneyrezende), [log in to unmask] (johnbro), [log in to unmask] (strephonjohnson), [log in to unmask] (karenisaacson), [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask] (jessegaron), [log in to unmask] (henrywcollier), [log in to unmask] (janepage), [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask] (halwarren), [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask] (groeneveld_mike), [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask] (madanmohanrao), [log in to unmask] (davids.bennahum), [log in to unmask] (bobzenhausern), [log in to unmask] (patrickdouglascrispen), [log in to unmask] (gleasonsackman), [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask] (samsternberg), [log in to unmask] (janerustin), [log in to unmask] (rochellefollender), [log in to unmask] (cherylabdullah), [log in to unmask] (samsternberg), [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask] Subject: beyond 2000 content-length: 2569 You all might like to pick up on this conversation from the standpoint of your own communities. John Deal ============================================== Subj: Re: A Spring Time for the Human Spirit Date: 95-10-08 19:05:05 EDT From: [log in to unmask] (Jay Gary) Sender: [log in to unmask] Reply-to: [log in to unmask] To: [log in to unmask] (Talk 2000 Recipients) Keywords: future, groups On Sun, 8 Oct 1995 [log in to unmask] wrote: > I like very much the notion of setting aside one week in January for Year > 2000 discussion throughout America (and elsewhere). It coheres with a deep > need in this society for reflective time that is also community time. > (Perhaps better the week of July 4? -- in order to permit > outdoor neighborhood festivals?) even the Internet (gulp!), in favor of > neighborhood reconnection. I love Philadelphia and Independence Day, but in January most people are already thinking about the New Year, and the connection to the next Millennium. I would say put some logs on the fire and invite the neighbors over. > What would it take to make this real? > -- Arthur Waskow > <[log in to unmask]> Moving from the idea stage to implementation should not be hard. I just noticed in my local paper a notice on "Conversations 2000" a project sponsored by the Colorado Endowment for the Humanities. They are holding five series of small-group conversations on the coming millennium starting, Oct 16 in my city in six locations. In the spirit of Thomas Jefferson, the focus is on what you said, American identity, roots, and family, community, the land and the American Dream beyond 2000. The local community college, the local library, the local senior centers center and local foundation are sponsoring the chats. I think any of us could do this locally from January 1-7, 1996, kick-off a "Talk 2000" forum in our area. We could probably generate some guidelines on this electronic forum for conducting sessions, but it would take local groups like ALEPH and others to spearhead things locally in Philadelphia. Who else is interested in joining us? Jay Gary "It wouldn't be the same without you!" author, _The Star of 2000_ aka, The Millennium Doctor E-mail: [log in to unmask] (719) 636-2000 Phone "Follow the brightest star, as far as the brave may dare." -John Miles * * * * TALK 2000 FORUM * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Submissions: [log in to unmask] Requests: [log in to unmask] Web: http://humnet.humberc.on.ca/talk2000.htm From [log in to unmask] Wed Oct 11 16:25:12 1995 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from sallib.sals.edu by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA06976; Wed, 11 Oct 1995 16:25:10 -0400 Date: Wed, 11 Oct 1995 16:27:54 -0400 (EDT) From: Robert Sullivan <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask] Cc: [log in to unmask] Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Access to Capital District Libraries on the Internet content-length: 1323 After some recent questions about our area, I thought some members who don't live here might be interested in accessing our catalogs via the Internet. 1) Telnet to sallib.sals.edu. This will get you to the catalog of the Southern Adirondack Library Association (covering Hamilton, Saratoga, Warren and Washington counties) and the Mohawk Valley Library Association (covering Fulton, Montgomery, Schenectady and Schoharie counties). All of the public library holdings for the 8 counties are included, but not the historical societies. 2) Gopher to sallib.sals.edu. Pick Library Catalogs from the top menu and you'll see Regional Library Catalogs and the New York State Library. Besides NYSL, you will be able to see the catalogs for Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Skidmore College, Union College and the University at Albany. (you can get to the SALS/MVLA catalog by choosing Hytelnet and searching by keyword). Albany and Rensselaer County library catalogs are not available on the net. ===================================================================== Bob Sullivan [log in to unmask] Schenectady County Public Library 99 Clinton Street Voice: (518) 388-4500 Schenectady, NY 12305-2083 Fax: (518) 386-2241 From [log in to unmask] Wed Oct 11 17:11:33 1995 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from sallib.sals.edu by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA07164; Wed, 11 Oct 1995 17:11:31 -0400 Date: Wed, 11 Oct 1995 17:14:23 -0400 (EDT) From: Robert Sullivan <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask] Cc: [log in to unmask] Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Addendum to Libraries on the Internet content-length: 160 I forgot one little detail in my last message - you should use the name GUEST if you want to log into the SALS/MVLA catalog. Bob Sullivan <[log in to unmask]> From [log in to unmask] Fri Oct 13 23:56:49 1995 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from sccaix1.sunysuffolk.edu (sunysuffolk.edu) by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA13397; Fri, 13 Oct 1995 23:56:48 -0400 Received: from snysufaa.cc.sunysuffolk.edu by sccaix1.sunysuffolk.edu (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA19714; Sat, 14 Oct 1995 00:04:41 -0400 Received: by snysufaa.sunysuffolk.edu (MX V4.1 AXP) id 1; Fri, 13 Oct 1995 23:58:34 EDT Date: Fri, 13 Oct 1995 23:58:34 EDT From: KEVIN MCCOY <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask] Cc: [log in to unmask] Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Great New Civil War Book content-length: 1807 Sorry to be pushing a product on a listserv, but the book is great and the money is going to a worthy cause. Kevin McCoy <[log in to unmask]> ********************************************************************** I Will Try to Send You the Particulars of the Fight: Maps and Letters from the New York State's Civil War Newspapers, 1861-1863 This book is a collection of 27 letters from native New Yorkers who served their country during the first two years of the war. The letters were gathered from newspapers throughout the State and were written by soldiers, sailors, was well as civilians. The men and women who authored the letters describe their contribution to the war effort, ranging from simply remaining loyal in a occupied city, to fighting on the front line in a major battle. From Big Bethal to Chancellorsville and from the Atlantic to Arkansas, New Yorkers recorded their experiences and shared them with their hometown readers. Also included are 32 maps, most of which were reprinted from New York City's major daily newspapers. They are paired with the letters to give the reader a visual guide to events being described. Together, the letters and the maps provide a unique insight into the Civil War military and journalistic worlds. I Will Try to Send You All the Particulars of the Fight may be ordered from the Friends of the New York State Newspaper Project, P.O. Box 2402, Albany, N.Y. 12220. The cost is $18 plus $4 for shipping and handling. Make checks or money orders payable to the Friends of the New York State Newspaper Project. All proceeds will be used to microfilm newspapers throughout New York State to make sure these valuable resources are preserved. For more information on the Friends call 518-474-7491. From [log in to unmask] Mon Oct 16 10:01:27 1995 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from MAIL.NYSED.GOV by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA17225; Mon, 16 Oct 1995 10:01:26 -0400 Received: from SEDDOM1-Message_Server by MAIL.NYSED.GOV with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 16 Oct 1995 10:01:18 -0400 Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]> X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Mon, 16 Oct 1995 10:07:29 -0400 From: William Evans <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Problems content-length: 276 We've been having some technical difficulty. If you posted anything to NYHIST-L between 0800 Thursday and now please be kind enough to repost it. We're experiencing some minor growing pains and do not forsee problems like this occurring again in the future. Bill and Jim From [log in to unmask] Mon Oct 16 14:49:51 1995 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from MAIL.NYSED.GOV by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA17844; Mon, 16 Oct 1995 14:49:50 -0400 Received: from SEDDOM1-Message_Server by MAIL.NYSED.GOV with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 16 Oct 1995 14:50:03 -0400 Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]> X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Mon, 16 Oct 1995 14:55:55 -0400 From: Tom Ruller <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Test message - please ignore. content-length: 83 Please ignore this message. It is a test to make sure listproc is still working. From [log in to unmask] Mon Oct 16 15:02:19 1995 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from MAIL.NYSED.GOV by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA17926; Mon, 16 Oct 1995 15:02:18 -0400 Received: from SEDDOM1-Message_Server by MAIL.NYSED.GOV with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 16 Oct 1995 15:02:31 -0400 Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]> X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Mon, 16 Oct 1995 15:08:27 -0400 From: Bob Arnold <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Hawley Estate, Albany NY -Reply content-length: 493 The Hawley Estate was on the south side of Madison Avenue in Albany, and is now owned, I believe, by the College of St Rose; the Hawley house still stands, a late-nineteenth/early twentieth century Queen Anne style building. The glass school, somewhat remodeled, was used as a part of the elementary school of the former Vincentian Institute, a Catholic K-8 parochial school closed in the 1970s. The glass school ,buildings are now used by St Rose, perhaps as a part of the Music Department. From [log in to unmask] Wed Oct 18 10:16:50 1995 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from postoffice2.mail.cornell.edu by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA21330; Wed, 18 Oct 1995 10:16:49 -0400 Received: from [128.253.140.48] ([128.253.140.48]) by postoffice2.mail.cornell.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id KAA15238 for <[log in to unmask]>; Wed, 18 Oct 1995 10:09:43 -0400 X-Sender: [log in to unmask] Message-Id: <v02120002acaa4c773e26@[128.253.140.48]> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 18 Oct 1995 10:21:26 +0400 To: [log in to unmask] From: [log in to unmask] (G. David Brumberg) Subject: Irish Working Women content-length: 314 I am trying locate a copy of Margaret Conners' book titled "Irish Working Women in Nineteenth Century Albany." Anyone having knowledge of this title, please contact me directly at [log in to unmask] Thanks G. David Brumberg Collection Development Olin Library Cornell, University Ithaca, NY 14853 607-255-8155 From [log in to unmask] Wed Oct 18 14:52:06 1995 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from MAIL.NYSED.GOV by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA21783; Wed, 18 Oct 1995 14:52:05 -0400 Received: from SEDDOM1-Message_Server by MAIL.NYSED.GOV with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 18 Oct 1995 14:53:31 -0400 Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]> X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Wed, 18 Oct 1995 14:58:32 -0400 From: James Folts <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask] Subject: NEWS ABOUT NYHIST-L 10/18/95 content-length: 2710 Each week the editors of this electronic discussion group will try to do an editorial report addressing developments and problems that may be of interest to NYHIST-L subscribers. The first week of NYHIST-L was beyond expectations with over 225 subscribers. So far the traffic has been manageable but there may come a time when posting maybe slow - so bear with us. Two problems surfaced when we started up. First, the system purged all commercial subscribers (everything you suspected about government); second, the system purged the list of non-New Yorkers (everything you suspected about New Yorkers). Both of these conditions were corrected by our technical advisor. We have been trying to go back and find out who got tossed out and resubscribe them. This is not a fool-proof system so if you know of anyone who has had trouble subscribing have them contact the editors at (518) 474-8955. A commercial subscriber stated that their service required a subject in the subject line. Our technical advisor said to go ahead and fill it in with anything you want, as the list processor isn't reading it anyway. This advice seems to have worked. In the information you received with your subscription confirmation there is a section dealing with passwords. Ignore this section. It is for internal use and doesn't work for the editors either. We would invite someone, such as a librarian, to post periodically a listing of any recent New York-oriented books that come to his or her attention. In that area, Alan Taylor of UCal Davis has a new book entitled, <William Coopers's Town>. There was a very good review by Pauline Maier in a recent NYTimes book section. But the list would be better served if this was done on a more formal bibliographical basis. If you are in a position to do this and are so inclined, please contact bevans or [log in to unmask] Final thought - if you joined late and missed all sorts of good stuff you can see what went on by using the following commands. To <[log in to unmask]> send the command <index nyhist-l>. You will receive a list of <logs> ie., all messages for the month. To see those messages send the command <get nyhist-l log9510>, if that is the one you want. Since the previous paragraphs were written we have experienced about two weeks of <down time>. We still are not sure things are as they should be. Basically nothing that the editors can do seems to get postings out to the list. We can't even keep you informed because that is the problem. If you have made postings that did not appear, please try again and also, if you would, send a second copy (not a cc) to [log in to unmask] For NYHIST-L, Bill Evans and Jim Folts From [log in to unmask] Fri Oct 20 12:35:22 1995 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from MAIL.NYSED.GOV by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA25086; Fri, 20 Oct 1995 12:35:22 -0400 Received: from SEDDOM1-Message_Server by MAIL.NYSED.GOV with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 20 Oct 1995 12:39:43 -0400 Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]> X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Fri, 20 Oct 1995 12:42:13 -0400 From: Vicki Weiss <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Query content-length: 177 A researcher who does not have access to the list is looking for the papers of William F. Kenny, who died around 1942. Please send replies to [log in to unmask] Thanks. From [log in to unmask] Fri Oct 20 16:11:56 1995 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from vms1.nysed.gov by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA25790; Fri, 20 Oct 1995 16:11:55 -0400 Received: from unix2.nysed.gov ([149.10.64.34]) by vms1.nysed.gov with SMTP; Fri, 20 Oct 1995 16:15:39 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 20 Oct 1995 13:23:06 -0900 (PDT) From: Jim Corsaro <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask] Cc: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: East Manor Rensselaerwyck Leases X-Sender: [log in to unmask] In-Reply-To: <[log in to unmask]> Message-Id: <Pine.PCP.3.91.951020131912.4692A-100000@[149.10.64.34]> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII content-length: 1576 Re: Van Rensselaer leases, they are not in the New York State Archives. They are in the Manuscripts and Special Collections section of the New York State Library as part of the Van Rensselaer Manor Papers. There is an index to the names of the lessees available and although no count has been made of the number of leases, there are about 2,000 of them. Regarding the transfer of the leases from the Van Rensselaers to land purchasers, we have no information. Further information about the lands the family held in Albany and Rensselaer counties is available in the respective county clerk's offices. Copies of the leases may be made if the lease is in good condition. We do not have the staff time to examine leases in depth, but welcome researchers to visit the Library to do their research. James Corsaro Associate Librarian Manuscripts and Special Collections New York State Library Empire State Plaza Albany, New York 12230 e-mail: [log in to unmask] (518) 474-5963 On Fri, 6 Oct 1995, Scott Herrington wrote: > When I was in Albany this summer, I had too little time to look at some > east manor Rensselaerwyck leases. Unfortunately, the leaseholders I was trying > to track were not the original ones. I have two questions I hope someone can > answer: 1) what percentage of the original leases (at least for the east manor) > exist and are available in the State Archives; and 2). when the original leases > were transferred, did the Van Rensselaers require that these transfers be > recorded--and to what extent were they? > > From [log in to unmask] Sat Oct 21 12:48:17 1995 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from emout05.mail.aol.com by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA27015; Sat, 21 Oct 1995 12:48:16 -0400 Received: by emout05.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id MAA17978 for [log in to unmask]; Sat, 21 Oct 1995 12:51:27 -0400 Date: Sat, 21 Oct 1995 12:51:27 -0400 From: [log in to unmask] Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask] Subject: Stewart's Landing content-length: 751 Yhe campowners of Stewart's Landing, Town of Stratford, Fulton County, are presparing a short history of the Stewart's Landing area (on the outlet of Canada Lake). There is an oral tradition of cannons and cannon balls being hidden in the woods during the Revolution along what is now the snowmobile trail from Caroga to Stewart's Landing. We can find no documentation of this story. Is there someone who could direct us to some specific information of the Revolutionary period in this area? Thank you. I hope I am using the correct address. I did not receive any instructions when I subscribed to the list, but have been enjoying it every day. Jane Dieffenbacher Town of Fairfield Historian P.O. Box 1 Middleville, NY 13406 [log in to unmask] From [log in to unmask] Mon Oct 23 11:32:27 1995 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from unix5.nysed.gov by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA00233; Mon, 23 Oct 1995 11:32:26 -0400 Received: from museum.nysed.gov (dos90.nysed.gov) by unix5.nysed.gov (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA06347; Mon, 23 Oct 95 11:42:57 EDT Received: from MUSEUM/SpoolDir by museum.nysed.gov (Mercury 1.21); 23 Oct 95 11:37:35 EDT Received: from SpoolDir by MUSEUM (Mercury 1.21); 23 Oct 95 11:37:09 EDT From: "Philip L. Lord" <[log in to unmask]> Organization: NYS Museum To: [log in to unmask] Date: Mon, 23 Oct 1995 11:37:00 EDT Subject: Canal bicentennial Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail v3.22 Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]> content-length: 1754 November 17th is the bicentennial of the opening day of the Little Falls Canal, the first true canal in New York State. This canal was built by the Western Inland Lock Navigation Company as part of a network of artificial works and natural waterway improvements connecting the Mohawk River port at Schenectady with the Great Lakes harbor at Oswego. This private canals and navigations company was formed in May of 1792 and was bought out by New York State for the Erie Canal in 1820. While often dismissed as a marginal precursor of the Erie Canal, it was a dramatic and significant transportation development in its own right. This has been the subject of my research since 1983 and as part of our public outreach effort we have coordinated community-based bicentennial programs along the old navigation route since early 1992. The next of these programs will be held November 17th and 18th, as follows: Friday, November 17th: [12:00 Noon] Lecture "The Forgotten Canals of the 1790s" in the Orientation Theater, New York State Museum, Albany. Friday, November 17th: [7:00 PM] The same lecture in Benton Hall Auditorium, City of Little Falls. Saturday, November 18th: [10:00 AM - Noon] Interpreted walking tour of the route of the 1795 canal, starting from Sterzinar Park, South Ann Street, City of Little Falls. Additional school-linked projects in the City of Little Falls will be developed over the coming months, supported by the Little Falls Public Library. For more information on this program in particular, or on this research and education project in general, contact me here or at (518) 486-2037. Philip Lord, Jr. Chief, Historical Survey New York State Museum [log in to unmask] From [log in to unmask] Mon Oct 23 21:47:56 1995 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from amauta.rcp.net.pe by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA01302; Mon, 23 Oct 1995 21:47:51 -0400 Received: from asy30.rcp.net.pe by amauta.rcp.net.pe with smtp (Smail3.1.29.1 #2) id m0t7YAD-000JnQC; Mon, 23 Oct 95 20:28 EST Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]> Date: Mon, 23 Oct 95 20:28 EST X-Sender: [log in to unmask] X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: [log in to unmask] From: [log in to unmask] (Bob and Pam Underwood) Subject: Columbia County/Chatham content-length: 182 Are there historians for Chatham or Columbia County? If so, query if someone could forward us their addresses. Thanks. Bob Underwood American Embassy Lima Unit 3725 APO AA 34031 From [log in to unmask] Tue Oct 24 09:44:47 1995 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from unix5.nysed.gov by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA02213; Tue, 24 Oct 1995 09:44:46 -0400 Received: from museum.nysed.gov (dos90.nysed.gov) by unix5.nysed.gov (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA08735; Tue, 24 Oct 95 09:55:19 EDT Received: from MUSEUM/SpoolDir by museum.nysed.gov (Mercury 1.21); 24 Oct 95 09:49:59 EDT Received: from SpoolDir by MUSEUM (Mercury 1.21); 24 Oct 95 09:49:53 EDT From: "Patti G. Case 3097" <[log in to unmask]> Organization: NYS Museum To: [log in to unmask] Date: Tue, 24 Oct 1995 09:49:47 EDT Subject: Re: Columbia County/Chatham X-Confirm-Reading-To: "Patti G. Case 3097" <[log in to unmask]> X-Pmrqc: 1 Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail v3.22 Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]> content-length: 733 > Forwarded by: "Christine C. Kleinegger" <[log in to unmask]> > Forwarded to: [log in to unmask] > Date forwarded: Tue, 24 Oct 1995 09:32:42 EDT > Date sent: Mon, 23 Oct 95 20:28 EST > Send reply to: [log in to unmask] > From: [log in to unmask] (Bob and Pam Underwood) > To: [log in to unmask] > Subject: Columbia County/Chatham > Are there historians for Chatham or Columbia County? If so, query if > someone could forward us their addresses. Thanks. > > Bob Underwood > American Embassy Lima > Unit 3725 > APO AA 34031 > >Please see attached file for list of historians in Columbia County (Chatham is not a county; it is a town within Columbia County) From [log in to unmask] Tue Oct 24 09:44:48 1995 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from unix5.nysed.gov by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA02218; Tue, 24 Oct 1995 09:44:47 -0400 Received: from by unix5.nysed.gov (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AB08735; Tue, 24 Oct 95 09:55:20 EDT Received: from MUSEUM/SpoolDir by museum.nysed.gov (Mercury 1.21); 24 Oct 95 09:50:00 EDT Received: from SpoolDir by MUSEUM (Mercury 1.21); 24 Oct 95 09:49:53 EDT From: "Patti G. Case 3097" <[log in to unmask]> Organization: NYS Museum To: [log in to unmask] Date: Tue, 24 Oct 1995 09:49:47 EDT X-Pmuue: COLUMBIA.DOC X-Finfo: DOS,"COLUMBIA.DOC",,,,WordPerfect Subject: Re: Columbia County/Chatham X-Confirm-Reading-To: "Patti G. 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MQ,,.P\0.Q`H*"HR9"M0!#```!G@`40#(``P``=3!X.P0*!0M`,'##,-#3TQ5 M34))02!#3U5.5%G$#,2#"@H*"M`%#`!H`?``C`&P!`P`!=###L-624Q,04=% M($]&($M)3D1%4DA/3TO!`BX/+@\G`,%624Q,04=%($]&(%!(24Q-3TY4P0)" M'4(=3`#!5DE,3$%'12!/1B!604Q!5$E%"@K$#L12=71H(%!I=V]N:V'!`BX/ M+@\G`,%#:&%R;&5S($YI8VAO;'/!`D(=0AU,`,%$;VUI;FEC:R!,:7IZ:0HR M,2!!;&)A;GD@079E;G5EP0(N#RX/)P#!4$\@0F]X(#$PP0)"'4(=3`#!"DMI M;F1E<FAO;VLL($Y9("`Q,C$P-L$"+@\N#R<`P5!H:6QM;VYT+"!.62`@,3(U ?-C7!`D(=0AU,`,%686QA=&EE+"!.62`@,3(Q.#0*"FQM end From [log in to unmask] Tue Oct 24 10:48:27 1995 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from MAIL.NYSED.GOV by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA02491; Tue, 24 Oct 1995 10:48:27 -0400 Received: from SEDDOM1-Message_Server by MAIL.NYSED.GOV with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 24 Oct 1995 10:55:05 -0400 Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]> X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Tue, 24 Oct 1995 10:51:32 -0400 From: Bob Arnold <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Columbia County/Chatham -Reply content-length: 199 Columbia County Historian: Mary Howell 71 North Third Streeet Hudson, NY 12534 Ph 518/822-0820 FAX 518/822-1110 Town of Chatham Historian: Katherine Burgess RD Box 35 Old Chatham, NY 12136-9705 From [log in to unmask] Wed Oct 25 15:39:06 1995 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from MAIL.NYSED.GOV by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA05154; Wed, 25 Oct 1995 15:39:05 -0400 Received: from SEDDOM1-Message_Server by MAIL.NYSED.GOV with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 25 Oct 1995 15:43:34 -0400 Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]> X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Wed, 25 Oct 1995 15:42:34 -0400 From: William Evans <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask] Subject: JOBS content-length: 2447 Three Associate Public Records Management Specialist Positions New York State Archives and Records Administration, State Education Department Binghamton, Hauppauge, and Rochester NY Starting salary: $43,620, with a $768 location pay differential for Hauppauge. The New York State Archives and Records Administration, External Programs Division, is seeking applicants for three vacancies in its Local Government Records Advisory Services. These three positions serve as Regional Advisory Officers (RAO's) and work directly with records management officers and other local officials in their regions. They advise local governments on all aspects of records management and development of records management programs, and suggest initiatives for grant funding under SARA's competitive local government grants program. RAO's also make presentations at meetings and occasionally prepare publication. An increasing amount of the work involves providing advice on the management of electronic records and on records issues in the development and management of information systems, networks, and telecommunications. Training and experience in these areas are therefore highly desirable. Minimum qualifications include: Education -- a Masters' degree in history, government, business or public administration, political science, humanities, American Studies, library science, information science, or archival administration. Experience -- four years of records management experience in: supervising records appraisal and disposition scheduling; providing direct technical assistance through written reports, publications, oral presentations, or site visitation; developing or carrying out a program for education and training or of publicity and promotion; or developing guidelines, standards, policies, and procedures for records management. At least two of the four years must have included direct supervision of a professional staff or responsibility for program administration. Qualified candidates should submit a resume and letter of interest to: Mr. Charles J. Byrne Director, Human Resources Management NYS Education Department Box SC-64 89 Washington Avenue Albany, NY 12234 More information is available from: Robert W. Arnold III Chief of Local Government Services NYS Archives and Records Administration State Education Department 10A63 Cultural Education Center Albany, NY 12230 518-474-6926 [log in to unmask] From [log in to unmask] Wed Oct 25 16:00:41 1995 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from MAIL.NYSED.GOV by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA05238; Wed, 25 Oct 1995 16:00:40 -0400 Received: from SEDDOM1-Message_Server by MAIL.NYSED.GOV with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 25 Oct 1995 16:05:09 -0400 Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]> X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Wed, 25 Oct 1995 15:55:25 -0400 From: William Evans <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask] Subject: BOUNCES content-length: 222 The editors of NYHIST-L are getting a lot of <error> messages,ie. undeliverable mail, because people's mail boxes are full. If you don't make some space you'll never know all of the wonderful things that are happening. From [log in to unmask] Thu Oct 26 11:48:03 1995 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from sunytccc.edu by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA06919; Thu, 26 Oct 1995 11:48:02 -0400 Received: from TC3-MIS-Message_Server by sunytccc.edu with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 26 Oct 1995 11:58:07 -0400 Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]> X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Thu, 26 Oct 1995 11:57:53 -0400 From: John M Petrella <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask] Subject: JOBS -Reply content-length: 63 We could split it and still make more!! Were is hauppauge???? From [log in to unmask] Fri Oct 27 09:41:06 1995 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from MAIL.NYSED.GOV by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA09073; Fri, 27 Oct 1995 09:41:05 -0400 Received: from SEDDOM1-Message_Server by MAIL.NYSED.GOV with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 27 Oct 1995 09:46:36 -0400 Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]> X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Fri, 27 Oct 1995 09:42:39 -0400 From: James Folts <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask] Subject: New Hours--NYS Library and NYS Archives content-length: 2619 NYS LIBRARY AND NYS ARCHIVES TO INCREASE PUBLIC SERVICE HOURS New York State Librarian and Assistant Commissioner for Libraries Joseph F. Shubert and Thomas E. Mills, Acting Co-Director of the New York State Archives and Records Administration, announced today [October 26, 1995] that the State Library and Archives will reopen to the public from 1:00 p.m. to 5:00 p.m. Tuesday afternoons effective Tuesday, October 31, 1995. "Thanks to the efforts of the Legislature and the Governor, we have received a partial restoration of funds for staff. We have hired the first of the staff needed to reopen the Library and will be phasing in full 40 hour public service over the next several weeks," said GladysAnn Wells, Interim Director of the Research Library. Wells went on to add, "To celebrate our increase in public service hours, Library staff will provide Internet demonstrations and basic tutorials to our customers on a walk-in basis between 1:00 and 5:00 p.m. on the 31st." Shubert and Mills noted that the Library and Archives are exploring flexible or alternative public service hours. "We are surveying our customers and reaching out to our potential customers to ask whether some evening or Saturday hours would be the most useful." The State Library and State Archives have been closed for on-site reference service two half-days a week since May 2, 1995. This action was necessitated by April staff reductions, forcing personnel reassignments to such tasks as shelving, filing, processing, and other behind-the-scenes work essential to major public research institutions. The Archives and Library have continued to provide telephone, mail and e-mail reference, interlibrary loan, known-item retrieval, services to users of the Talking Book and Braille Library, and access to their online public catalog during the months of reduced on-site public service. The New York State Library and State Archives are located in the Cultural Education Center, Empire State Plaza in Albany. Beginning October 31, public service hours will be from 9:00 a.m. to 5:00 p.m. Monday, Tuesday, Thursday and Friday. Wednesday hours will be from 1:00 p.m. to 5:00 p.m. The Archives/Library EXCELSIOR online information system is available 24 hours a day through telnet <nysl.nysed.gov or unix6.nysed.gov> or direct dial-in (2400-14,400 baud; 8-1-N; emulate VT100; log in as catalog). Reference services phone numbers and e-mail addresses for the Archives and Library are: New York State Library phone 518-474-5355; e-mail [log in to unmask] New York State Archives phone 518-474-8955; e-mail [log in to unmask] From [log in to unmask] Mon Oct 30 09:40:15 1995 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from mail06.mail.aol.com by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA15050; Mon, 30 Oct 1995 09:40:14 -0500 Received: by mail06.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id JAA20250 for [log in to unmask]; Mon, 30 Oct 1995 09:43:36 -0500 Date: Mon, 30 Oct 1995 09:43:36 -0500 From: [log in to unmask] Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask] Subject: African-Americans in Amsterdam content-length: 329 Hello! I am a graduate student in American History and recently signed on to this list. I am interested in the African-American community in the Amsterdam/Fultonville area from about 1850-1920. What work has been done and what resources are availble? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Helen J. Cannon [log in to unmask] From [log in to unmask] Mon Oct 30 11:09:48 1995 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from mail02.mail.aol.com by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA15245; Mon, 30 Oct 1995 11:09:47 -0500 Received: by mail02.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id LAA23780 for [log in to unmask]; Mon, 30 Oct 1995 11:13:08 -0500 Date: Mon, 30 Oct 1995 11:13:08 -0500 From: [log in to unmask] Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Steuben County Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="PART.BOUNDARY.0.13118.mail02.mail.aol.com.815069587" content-length: 5111 --PART.BOUNDARY.0.13118.mail02.mail.aol.com.815069587 Content-ID: <[log in to unmask]> Content-type: text/plain The attached file is our first attempt at providing Steuben County history for this list. Please address comments to Dick Shere, Steuben County Historian. --PART.BOUNDARY.0.13118.mail02.mail.aol.com.815069587 Content-ID: <[log in to unmask]> Content-type: text/plain; name="STEUBCO.TXT" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =0D County of Steuben Department of History and Archives Bath, New York 14810 =0D Steuben County - A Brief History =0D The great-great-grandmother county was Albany, the great- grandmother county was Tryon, the grandmother county was Montgomery and the mother was Ontario County. Through the energetic efforts of Charles Williamson, the agent of the Pulteney Association of England, the county of Steuben was formed, by an act of the legislature, from Ontario County on March 18, 1796. The new county was named after Frederic William Augustus "Baron Von Steuben", the German drill master in our Revolutionary War. Steuben at that time had a population of about 890 souls and an area of about 50 miles square. Over the years portions have been annexed to Allegany, Yates, Livingston and Schuyler Counties so that the present size of Steuben is 1397 square miles of land area. Just as a matter of comparison Steuben has 348 more square miles of land area than the State of Rhode Island. The county lies upon the southern border of the state, west of the center and some 190 miles from Albany. =0D Phelps and Gorham, in 1788, obtained the Genesee Tract of 2,600,000 acres from Massachusetts by an act of the state legislature. Two years later, in 1790, Phelps and Gorham conveyed to Robert Morris, the great colonial banker and merchant, the land remaining unsold, amounting to 1,200,000 acres. In 1792 Morris sold to Colonel Charles Williamson, agent for an association of British capitalists, nearly 1,200,000 acres, which became the Pulteney Estate. The territory was surveyed into townships and lots for the Pulteney Estate in 1792-93. In 1793 Col. Charles Williamson, agent of the Pulteney estate, commenced a settlement at Bath, now the county seat. =0D The terrain is rolling with its hills marked by the Conhocton, Canisteo and Tioga rivers, and their feeding streams and by the waters of Lake Keuka, one of the Finger Lakes. Within a few minutes one can drive from a low level of some 714 feet above sea level to the top of high hills with a horizon, on a clear day, stretching miles and miles over the waves of other hills. =0D The village of Bath, which was the headquarters for the Pulteney Estate in Steuben County, is situated on the beautiful Conhocton River, and is at the junction of the Conhocton Valley and the Keuka Lake Valley. The plain upon which it was built was called Pine Plains. On the south are the evergreen-covered cliffs of "Mossy Bank", from which Williamson obtained his first view of the proposed city. Williamson's dreams of a metropolis at this point were never realized. =0D It was in Steuben County, at Hammondsport on Keuka Lake, that Glenn Curtiss from 1907 on did much development of the aeroplane, as it was then called. He developed the flying boat and thus became known as the "Father of Naval Aviation". =0D Steuben is a rural county, with a population of about 100,000 people. The largest industry in the county is farming with 1,400 farms and a market value of products sold of over $74,000,000. Dairy farms, 465 of them, with 26,000 cows, are the main portion of that amount. Other products that are raised are: potatoes, grapes, vegetables and grain. Steuben County is number one in the production of Italian cheeses in the state. =0D The second largest industry in the county is tourism with much scenic beauty, plentiful accommodations and many attractions. There are many wineries that have tours and many museums to visit such as: Corning Glass and Rockwell Museums in Corning, Glenn Curtiss and the G.H. Taylor Wine Museums in Hammondsport and the Veterans Administration Museum in Bath. Just last year a 400 passenger dinner boat the "Keuka Maid" was launched on Keuka Lake. =0D Many other industries: Corning Incorporated, Dresser Rand, Phillips Lighting, Mercury Aircraft, Taylor Wine Co., Babcock Ladder Co., McConnell Mfg. Co. and Air-Flo Mfg. Co. provide employment for our residents and strengthen our economy. =0D In Corning there is Corning Community College which has become one of the better known community colleges in the state. =0D Having been once the home of the Senecas, with its villages and land and water trails familiar to "Red Jacket" and "Cornplanter", Steuben although rural has grown and offers natural beauty, serenity and comfortable living throughout its hills and lakelands. =0D By =0D Richard G. Sherer Steuben County = Historian =0D =1A --PART.BOUNDARY.0.13118.mail02.mail.aol.com.815069587-- From [log in to unmask] Mon Oct 30 11:47:00 1995 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from mail06.mail.aol.com by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA15339; Mon, 30 Oct 1995 11:46:59 -0500 Received: by mail06.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id LAA25249 for [log in to unmask]; Mon, 30 Oct 1995 11:50:20 -0500 Date: Mon, 30 Oct 1995 11:50:20 -0500 From: [log in to unmask] Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Jim Drake Stories Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="PART.BOUNDARY.0.18425.mail06.mail.aol.com.815071819" content-length: 5001 --PART.BOUNDARY.0.18425.mail06.mail.aol.com.815071819 Content-ID: <[log in to unmask]> Content-type: text/plain Provided by Dick Sherer, Steuben County Historian --PART.BOUNDARY.0.18425.mail06.mail.aol.com.815071819 Content-ID: <[log in to unmask]> Content-type: text/plain; name="SC2.LOG" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =0D County of Steuben Department of History and Archives Bath, New York 14810 =0D Steuben County - A Brief History =0D The great-great-grandmother county was Albany, the great- grandmother county was Tryon, the grandmother county was Montgomery and the mother was Ontario County. Through the energetic efforts of Charles Williamson, the agent of the Pulteney Association of England, the county of Steuben was formed, by an act of the legislature, from Ontario County on March 18, 1796. The new county was named after Frederic William Augustus "Baron Von Steuben", the German drill master in our Revolutionary War. Steuben at that time had a population of about 890 souls and an area of about 50 miles square. Over the years portions have been annexed to Allegany, Yates, Livingston and Schuyler Counties so that the present size of Steuben is 1397 square miles of land area. Just as a matter of comparison Steuben has 348 more square miles of land area than the State of Rhode Island. The county lies upon the southern border of the state, west of the center and some 190 miles from Albany. =0D Phelps and Gorham, in 1788, obtained the Genesee Tract of 2,600,000 acres from Massachusetts by an act of the state legislature. Two years later, in 1790, Phelps and Gorham conveyed to Robert Morris, the great colonial banker and merchant, the land remaining unsold, amounting to 1,200,000 acres. In 1792 Morris sold to Colonel Charles Williamson, agent for an association of British capitalists, nearly 1,200,000 acres, which became the Pulteney Estate. The territory was surveyed into townships and lots for the Pulteney Estate in 1792-93. In 1793 Col. Charles Williamson, agent of the Pulteney estate, commenced a settlement at Bath, now the county seat. =0D The terrain is rolling with its hills marked by the Conhocton, Canisteo and Tioga rivers, and their feeding streams and by the waters of Lake Keuka, one of the Finger Lakes. Within a few minutes one can drive from a low level of some 714 feet above sea level to the top of high hills with a horizon, on a clear day, stretching miles and miles over the waves of other hills. =0D The village of Bath, which was the headquarters for the Pulteney Estate in Steuben County, is situated on the beautiful Conhocton River, and is at the junction of the Conhocton Valley and the Keuka Lake Valley. The plain upon which it was built was called Pine Plains. On the south are the evergreen-covered cliffs of "Mossy Bank", from which Williamson obtained his first view of the proposed city. Williamson's dreams of a metropolis at this point were never realized. =0D It was in Steuben County, at Hammondsport on Keuka Lake, that Glenn Curtiss from 1907 on did much development of the aeroplane, as it was then called. He developed the flying boat and thus became known as the "Father of Naval Aviation". =0D Steuben is a rural county, with a population of about 100,000 people. The largest industry in the county is farming with 1,400 farms and a market value of products sold of over $74,000,000. Dairy farms, 465 of them, with 26,000 cows, are the main portion of that amount. Other products that are raised are: potatoes, grapes, vegetables and grain. Steuben County is number one in the production of Italian cheeses in the state. =0D The second largest industry in the county is tourism with much scenic beauty, plentiful accommodations and many attractions. There are many wineries that have tours and many museums to visit such as: Corning Glass and Rockwell Museums in Corning, Glenn Curtiss and the G.H. Taylor Wine Museums in Hammondsport and the Veterans Administration Museum in Bath. Just last year a 400 passenger dinner boat the "Keuka Maid" was launched on Keuka Lake. =0D Many other industries: Corning Incorporated, Dresser Rand, Phillips Lighting, Mercury Aircraft, Taylor Wine Co., Babcock Ladder Co., McConnell Mfg. Co. and Air-Flo Mfg. Co. provide employment for our residents and strengthen our economy. =0D In Corning there is Corning Community College which has become one of the better known community colleges in the state. =0D Having been once the home of the Senecas, with its villages and land and water trails familiar to "Red Jacket" and "Cornplanter", Steuben although rural has grown and offers natural beauty, serenity and comfortable living throughout its hills and lakelands. =0D By =0D Richard G. Sherer Steuben County = Historian =0D =1A --PART.BOUNDARY.0.18425.mail06.mail.aol.com.815071819-- From [log in to unmask] Mon Oct 30 11:47:01 1995 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from mail06.mail.aol.com by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA15344; Mon, 30 Oct 1995 11:47:00 -0500 Received: by mail06.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id LAA25288 for [log in to unmask]; Mon, 30 Oct 1995 11:50:22 -0500 Date: Mon, 30 Oct 1995 11:50:22 -0500 From: [log in to unmask] Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Steuben County/brief history Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="PART.BOUNDARY.0.18425.mail06.mail.aol.com.815071818" content-length: 3999 --PART.BOUNDARY.0.18425.mail06.mail.aol.com.815071818 Content-ID: <[log in to unmask]> Content-type: text/plain Provided by Dick Sherer, Steuben County Historian. --PART.BOUNDARY.0.18425.mail06.mail.aol.com.815071818 Content-ID: <[log in to unmask]> Content-type: text/plain; name="SC1.LOG" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Steuben County offers a fascinating history ... =0D You may be interested in "The Jim Drake Stories" =0D Adam Haverling, the Bath Farmer for whom the Haverling Central School District was named, was an eccentric with a passion for education. He made a pest of himself all over town, offering to donate the land for a proper school with a proper curriculum. Haverling, who couldn't read or write, got so frustrated with the people of Bath that he went off to Hammondsport and offered them the school. But in 1846, Bath school trustees finally accepted his offer. Two years later, a new brick school - built for $2,180.66 - was ready for students. = The story of Adam Haverling is one of may fascinating tales spun in a new book, "The Jim Drake Stories," published last month by the Steuben County Bicentennial Commission. = It's the second of three books planned as part of the county's 1996 bicentennial celebration. Bath native James S. Drake was Steuben County attorney from 1930 until his death in 1961. He had a passion for local history and recorded much of what he learned on typewritten sheets of onion-skin paper. When the old Steuben County treasurer's office was torn down to make way for a new county office building in the 1980's, 40 boxes of Drakes' records and historical writings were found in its attic. Dick Sherer, the county historian, spent years getting up at 4:00am and reading Drake's papers for three hours each morning. He discovered 300 previously unpublished historical stories about Steuben County, 33 of which were collected for "The Jim Drake Stories." The 250-page hardcover book, which contains dozens of historical photographs, covers the county from one end to the other, from the colonial period to the 1950s. In it you can learn about: = * The 1830 trial of Elvira Comstock of Corning. She was convicted after being indicted for "not having the fear of God before her eyes, but being moved and seduced by the instigation of the Devil, did place poison in whisky given her husband to drink, causing his death." =0D * How Corning edged out Addison as the location of the county's second courthouse after a bitter battle. =0D * How Avoca received its name. =0D * The great nine-hour meteor show of Nov. 12-13, 1833, and how it affected Steuben County politicians. =0D But perhaps the most fascinating story in the new volume concerns the legal contest that developed over Adam Haverling's will following his death in 1859. Doctors came from across the county to dispute in court whether Haverling was sane. Witnesses testified that he carried a book about herbs. When questioned about it, Haverling replied, "Herbs are used by people who can't afford to die by a doctor's hand." Others talked about Haverlings's taste in clothing. He reportedly considered men "soft and sissified" when they worn long tight pants with a coat of a different color. Acting Surrogate Harlow Hakes upheld the validity of Haverling's will. "The Jim Drake Stories" is a valuable addition to the literature available on Steuben County history. Copies are available by mail for $17.50, plus $3.00 for shipping and handling. Checks should be made out to Steuben County and sent to Richard Sherer, Steuben County Historian, 3 E. Pulteney Square, Bath, NY 14810. Or you can pick up your book on the second floor of the Steuben County Clerk's building, in the office of Marion Springer, and skip the $3.00 shipping and handling charge.=1A= --PART.BOUNDARY.0.18425.mail06.mail.aol.com.815071818--