Hi Barbara,
The Smiley family at Mohonk Mountain House kept excellent records and, in
this century, Dan Smiley even kept records of the temperature of the water
in Lake Mohonk. There was an Archivist at Mohonk and, hopefully is again. I
do not have the name or number, but call Mohonk, located in New Paltz. let
me know if you are successful.
At 01:58 PM 6/27/96 -0400, you wrote:
>I'd be interested to know what is the best way to find out the weather in
>December 1871 in Central New York State. Any ideas?
>
>
>Barbara Taylor
>Original Cataloger
>340 Myron Taylor Hall
>Cornell University Law Library
>Ithaca, NY 14853
>
>e-mail: [log in to unmask]
>voice: (607) 255-5860
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>
>
Adele A. Lerner, Archivist
New York Hospital-Cornell Medical Center
1300 York Avenue
New York, New York 10021
212-746-6072
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My own recent experiences with an "official " New York State historic marker
shows the lack of coordination.
I recently purchased a 250 year old farm in Orange County, New York. As
part of the effort to have the property listed on the New York State and
National Registers of Historic Places, the local town historian wrote out the
text of a historical marker, to be placed on the lawn out front. The marker
costs $400, and is ordered from a manufacturer in Walton, New York, in
Delaware County. This company seems to do a large business in historic
markers, although I was told that one of the state's prisons was getting into
the business. I did not like the original text of the marker, and suggested
re-wording. The town historian explained to me why his language was
appropriate, and that mine had a "spin" that coulfd be factually misleading.
However, because I was paying for the marker, he would change it if I
insisted. I agreed to go with his language after discussing it with him.
At no time, however, was any input from any state historical official
suggested or required.
I do not know if the manufacturer consulted with any officials before making
the marker. Certainly, the Town Historian, an expert in the field, used his
knowledge to write the text, but to my knowledge, he did not seek anyone
else's approval.
I do not know how many manufacturers of historic markers exist. One could
create a comprehensive list of these markers if an inventory from these
manufacturers was done.
P.S. The house was listed on the National Register on June 3.
Steve Mosenson ([log in to unmask])
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Chris:
Our repository has the following material re: the KKK in New York.
1. An announcement and small poster of a KKK rally in Albany
in 1928, the chief speaker was U.S. Sen. J. Thos. Heflin of Alabama
(perhaps an ancestor of the current Sen. Howell Heflin from Alabama?)
2. The Minutes of meetings of the KKK group in Peekskill, NY 1872.
3. Papers of the KKK in Prattsville, NY 1925-28, including
cash books, applications for "citizenship," bulletins,
correspondence, minutes of meetings, etc.
We may some of KKK stuff in larger collections, such as the
Alfred E. Smith Papers, but I will leave that to you to check, if
and when you need to do so.
Let me know, if you want to research any of this stuff and I
will have it put on reserve for you.
jim
James Corsaro
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Manuscripts and Special Collections
New York State Library
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On Thu, 27 Jun 1996, Christine C. Kleinegger wrote:
> Research query: for a possible exhibit on the Ku Klux Klan in N.Y.S.
> in the 1920s at the New York State Museum, I am looking for primary
> sources (membership lists, oral histories etc.),
> ephemera, photographs, and artifacts on the KKK in N.Y.S. I am
> particularly interested in Klan activity on the local level and local
> response. I am familiar with Shawn Lay's book on Buffalo
> and Jay Rubin's 1970's study of the Klan in Binghamton, as well as
> the New York material in Kenneth Jackson's "The Ku Klux Klan in the
> City" and David Chalmer's "Hooded Americanism." I can be reached
> through this list, or e-mail [[log in to unmask]] or phone
> [518-486-2033].
>
> Christine Kleinegger, Senior Historian
> New York State Museum, Albany
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>
>
>
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I am seeking information on Lydia Minturn Post, author of "Personal
Recollections of the American Revolution, A Private Journal Prepared from
Authentic Domestic Records by Lydia Minturn Post," edited by Sidney Barclay,
published in 1859. Barclay was Lydia's pen name; the book was reprinted eight
years later under the name Grace Barclay. Lydia Minturn Post also published
"Soldier's Letters from Camp, Battle Field and Prison" in 1865.
The book on the Revolution is set in British-occupied Long Island; it
was reprinted in 1970 by Kennikat Press and now a young adult book has been
published in a series "In Their Own Words," claiming that it was written by
Lydia's grandmother, Mary Titus Post. There is quite conclusive evidence,
however, that Lydia wrote the "journal" in the mid-19th century using published
19th century books.
Lydia's paternal grandparents (or perhaps great-grandparents)
apparently were Henry Post (1733-1816) and Mary Titus (1740-?) who married in
1761. Their son, Henry Post (1774-1847) married Mary Minturn; he was a
merchant in NYC and the NYS archives has his correspondence. There is also a
Minturn Post (M.D., Columbia College, class of 1827) and Mary King who may have
been related. I am not interested so much in the genealogy per se as trying to
learn more about Lydia for an essay review of the new book which has her
"journal."
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I am working on my dissertation on new cities established during
the early 19th century in New York state. I have been unable to resolve
some questions I have about the process of legally becoming incorporated
(chartered) villages and cities during the first half of the 19th century.
As I understand it, places neeed to petition the state assembly for the
grant of a charter. Having read the charters for Troy, Syracuse, and
Rochester, I can attest to the similarity of rights and responsibilities a
charter awarded.
What I cannot determine are what standards did the petitioners
have to present in order to be considered? Was there a minimum size of a
settlement in terms of its population? How many signatures and whose were
needed on a petition? Obviously some residents opposed incorporation and
giving legal powers to the municipality. Did the state legislature
possess any guidelines as to the standards that must be met--was there
enabling legislation that set forth the criteria? Or, perhaps, each case
was determined on a case-by-case basis. In that event, would there be
state assembly records/minutes recording the deliberations?
Any advice on where I could find secondary or primary sources that
deal with NY state municipal guidelines for the period before 1850 would
be greatly appreciated. Of some help are: J. Dillon's *A Treatise on the
Law of Municipal Corporations" published in 1872 but it covers a period
where there was change in the laws. I have also looked at G. Flug's :The
City as a Legal Concept," Horwitz's *Transformation of American Law*, E.
Monkkonen's *America Becomes Urban*, Still's "Patterns of Mid-19th Century
Urbanization in the Middle West," and Hartog's *Public Property and
Private Power,*
Thanks-
Diane Shaw
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If anyone is interested, I can relate a similar experience in having a marker
set up at the house of my ancestor near Otisville, Orange county. I would be
happy to give the details if there is any interest.
David Godfrey
(presently in Germany)
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My own recent experiences with an "official " New York State historic marker
shows the lack of coordination.
I recently purchased a 250 year old farm in Orange County, New York. As
part of the effort to have the property listed on the New York State and
National Registers of Historic Places, the local town historian wrote out the
text of a historical marker, to be placed on the lawn out front. The marker
costs $400, and is ordered from a manufacturer in Walton, New York, in
Delaware County. This company seems to do a large business in historic
markers, although I was told that one of the state's prisons was getting into
the business. I did not like the original text of the marker, and suggested
re-wording. The town historian explained to me why his language was
appropriate, and that mine had a "spin" that coulfd be factually misleading.
However, because I was paying for the marker, he would change it if I
insisted. I agreed to go with his language after discussing it with him.
At no time, however, was any input from any state historical official
suggested or required.
I do not know if the manufacturer consulted with any officials before making
the marker. Certainly, the Town Historian, an expert in the field, used his
knowledge to write the text, but to my knowledge, he did not seek anyone
else's approval.
I do not know how many manufacturers of historic markers exist. One could
create a comprehensive list of these markers if an inventory from these
manufacturers was done.
P.S. The house was listed on the National Register on June 3.
Steve Mosenson ([log in to unmask])
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> the local town historian wrote out the text of a historical marker
>
> At no time, however, was any input from any state historical official
> suggested or required.
>
> I do not know if the manufacturer consulted with any officials before making
> the marker. Certainly, the Town Historian, an expert in the field, used his
> knowledge to write the text, but to my knowledge, he did not seek anyone
> else's approval.
An interesting thing about New York, is that based on my own
experience, these "local historians" seem to be acting with the power
of the state. In other words, there was no one to seek approval
FROM because the state has vested him with such responsibility.
I wish more states had "official" local historians!
-
Gary
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Response to inquiry from Diane M. Shaw:
The New York State Archives holds a small series of petitions,
correspondence, and reports relating to cities, filed with the State
Legislature between 1780 and 1830. These documents concern
charters and amendments thereto, land grants, legislation relating to
cities, police and courts, etc. Most of the documents relate to New York
City. The petitions and letters were referred to a joint Senate-Assembly
committee or to a select committee of Assembly members. The series is
available on one reel of microfilm, which is available for sale or
inter-library loan (contact Bill Gorman, 518-474-8955 or e-mail to
[log in to unmask]).
The above-noted record series survived the 1911 Capitol fire relatively
intact (though some documents were lost or damaged), because it had
been bound into a large volume or volumes before the fire. Unfortunately
almost all the huge number of unbound, bundled legislative petitions,
correspondence, and reports were destroyed. These included the
petitions for erection of towns and villages, and the incorporation of
cities, prior to 1911.
Something about the legislative process of granting or amending city
charters may be traced through the floor votes and actions recorded in
the printed journals of the Senate and the Assembly. These journals are
available in the State Library (518-474-5355; e-mail to
[log in to unmask]).
The first general statutory provisions relating to the erection of cities
appear in the Revised Statutes of 1829, Part I, Chap. 3, Title 6, Sections
1-6. These very brief provisions relate mainly to the survey and map of
the boundaries of the city, and to the public notice required prior to
application to the Legislature.
Jim Folts
Head, Research Services
New York State Archives
Cultural Education Center Room 11D40
Albany, NY 12230 USA
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Dear Friends and Instructors of history:
I wanted to take a medium bit of everyones time to confirm something many
of our politicians have been saying about govt services. That being, the
govt will only continue to do what is essential to its bests interests.
That means that if someone can get their name in the paper or re-elected
then they will make something happen. Obviously, historic markers don't
really fall into that catagory so as some writers have mentioned, they have
not been funded for over 40 years.
That brings me to the second observation about who makes things happen in
the real world.... you and me. As the note I have copied and pasted shows,
we all must become active in the protection of our historic interests
because the gov't just cant afford it any more. I am the Marketing
Chairman of The Rochester and Genesee Valley RR Museum located 15 miles
south of Rochester. We are going to celebrate our 25th anniversary during
the weekend of July 20 and 21st (please stop by!). During our 25 years of
operation and restoration of our 1909 Erie RR Depot and numerous local
pieces of RR equipment, we have never received funding from any government
agencies. We have raised thousands of dollars by publishing books, running
train rides, selling tickets to our museum and most important pounding on
businesses doors for donations. I suggest that we as community members
need to take on the restoration and oversight of these historic markers if
the state and local gov't is no longer in a position to do it themselves.
As one of our many famous politicians said....become one of those "points
of light". Hopefully I am not preaching to the choir.
If you get a chance, stop by The Rochester and Genesee Valley RR Museum.
Our entrance is on East River Rd (Take RT 390 to exit 11 (1 exit S of NYS
thruway) and then take RT 251 west apx 2 miles to a flashing traffic
signal, turn rt at East River Rd and the Entrance to the Museum is on the
left after apx 1 mi. If you can't make it take a virtual tour on the www
http://www.rochester.ny.us/railmuseum.html
I realize this is sort of an ad, but it seems like nobody knows we exist
outside of Rochester!
Mike Byrne
Publicity and Marketing Chairman
Rochester and Genesee Valley RR Museum
716/533-1431
Follows is an inspiring note from Les Buell re how his students made an impact:
>As a teacher of seventh graders I have found these markers to be invaluable
>over the last 30+ years of teaching. I often offer my students credit for
>"rubbing" various markers. Good practice in rubbing and learning a little
>history at the same time. I also offer credit every few years to students who
>wish to "adopt" a marker and repaint it.
> Several years ago one of the local markers turned up missing. I was not
>sure when it vanished so I sicked my students on the problem. SEVERAL of them
>got the bright idea that it might have been done in by a snow plow and so
>they and their parents got on the telephone. About 11:00 p.m. that evening I
>had a call from the county highway superintendent who asked me to "call off
>the dogs." Seems his crew did have the sign which had been taken out by a
>plow. It was unbroken and he promised to deliver it to my classroom if I
>would promise to get the kids to stop calling him. He did and I did. Now,
>with permission from the land owner the sign has been reinstalled in the same
>spot but somewhat further from the highway. GREAT FUN for me and for the
>students.
> I would love to see this program return. Many others need to be
>replaced.
>
>Les Buell
>Williamson Middle School
>Williamson, New York 14589
>1-315-589-9661
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There is a comprehensive list, although much out of date, of the 2800
or more official state-funded markers, and this list is being updated
with volunteer efforts to the best of our ability.
As far as foundries are concerned, the Walton Foundry began casting
these in the '20s, and the casting is still done by the modern
version of that foundry, although now in aluminum, not iron. For a
few months, the Department of Correctional Services used its Elmira
prison foundry to produce markers, but discontinued the service as it
competed with a New York business. While there are any number of
foundries that could cast these, to my knowledge no other foundry
has the molds prepared, which is the major cost of tooling up.
As far as concern that a "town historian" suggested text for a marker
being paid for with private funds - the official Town and County
historians are appointed by local government to serve, among other
things, as local expertise on matter of local history. They report to
the State Historian and are guided by his statewide history
initiatives. Given the present lack of public funding for the
program, it is reasonable to expect the local government historians
at either the county or municipal level to assist in this process.
The only "State" authorization presently needed applies to erecting
markers on state lands, such as highway rights of way. In most cases,
the local historians would be in a much better position to draft
accurate text than a "state" official, and we ask merely an
opportunity to review and record these texts in advance of casting,
just in case.
Philip Lord, Jr.
State Educaion Department
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On Mon, 1 Jul 1996, Gary Warner wrote:
>
> An interesting thing about New York, is that based on my own
> experience, these "local historians" seem to be acting with the power
> of the state. In other words, there was no one to seek approval
> FROM because the state has vested him with such responsibility.
>
> I wish more states had "official" local historians!
>
> -
> Gary
>
Despite the fact that a state law authorizes the appointment of
local government historians, the historians are hired/appointed by their
local jurisdiction (town, village, city or county) and do not represent
the State.
As has been said before in this discussion, there are many
"unofficial" markers that look just like the state markers. The marker
from Orange County sounds like one of these.
Laura Lyyne Scharer
Jefferson County Historian
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This is intended to put a recent comment about government cutting
funding to the historic marker program in a little bit of context.
The program was established by law in 1926 to find a way to
commemorate the 150th anniversary of the American Revolution. I can
find no evidence it was ever intended to go on forever. Funding was
appropriated for that purpose and, just as with the 1976 celebration,
it eventually ended.
It would be nice to think that erecting historic site markers could
be a government program, with funding, even on a matching basis,
continuing on. And perhaps there is an opportunity for that.
But it might also be reasonable to view this program the way the
National Register of Historic Places is viewed - a locally initiated
application process with government established criteria and awards of
"historic" status.
The purpose of monumenting local history, particularly where little
if any visible evidence remains and perhaps less common knowledge
survives, is a noble pupose and worthy of government participation.
And, contrary to the posting, the erecting of an historic marker IS an
opportunity for government officials to "point with pride" because,
these days, making local history more visible translates, at least in
the press, into "heritage tourism."
Philip Lord, Jr.
NYS Museum/State Education Dept.
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I have received a snail-mail inquiry from a woman in Michigan,
referred from the Chemung County Historical Society, that
can only be answered by someone out there, hopefully reachable by
this listserv. Here is the request:
"I am seeking information about a relative and a statue to him which
my 100 year old mother remembers visiting somewhere in the Finger
Lakes region. The statue may have other people in it but he is one of
the prominent people in it. His last name was Dunning. He is a
Revolutionary War hero. It is well known in whatever town it is in or
near since she had no trouble finding it. This man probably was from
Vermont - one of the Green Mountain Boys."
I post this less as a geneaological item and more as a way of linking
the historians in the town where this statue is located with
descendants of the man, and possibly papers or other information from
the West that relate, in this manner, to the local history of the
town.
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NYS Museum/State Education Department
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A check of the list of those with Eathan Allen at Ticonderoga 10 may 1775 as
compiled by Robert O. Bascom and printed in the Bulletin of the Fort
Ticonderoga Museum Vol. XIII No.5 1977lists a Matthew Dunning of So.
Willamstown, Mass. as one of the 83 that crossed the Lake for the initial
attack. Apparently there is also some information regarding him in "Mass.
Soldier's and Sailors' of the Revolution".
Dennis Lewis
Clinton Community College
Plattsburgh, NY
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In the local library's answer column of The San Marcos (Tx) Daily Record, an
association called "E Clampus Vitus" was described:
"...founded in Sierra City, CA in 1857 as burlesque of fraternal societies....a
hoaxing society, it also engaged in charitable activities in mining towns....
Revived in 1931 by...members of the CA Historical Society, the society exists for
fun, for the revival of gold rush lore, and for the placing of plaques at
historical sites."
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Three original, unrestored and unfortunately currently
inoperable Electromatic/IBM typewriters are available. One is a standard
elite machine, another a wide carriage model and the third an Executive
with incremental spacing and bold Roman type. These are the early model O
and A style with rear motor speed control, red and black plastic knobs
and/or keys, and were made in Rochester or Poughkeepsie.
The proportional spacing model was the first successful production
example of proportional spacing after the early British developments such
as the Maskelyene.
I have to place them within the week, so please let me know of your
interest or forward this note to any interested party.
I also have a very complete IBM Selectric Composer with hundreds of fonts
and a nearly complete parts machine. It was mothballed just after a
complete service when IBM was discontinuing service.
Thanks for your interest.
Karl A. Petersen
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NEW YORK STATE DEPARTMENT OF CIVIL SERVICE JOB ANNOUNCEMENTS
22-755 SENIOR HISTORIAN, G-22, Salary $41,399, Processing Fee
$16
Written test to be held December 14, 1996.
Applications must be postmarked no later than Friday, July 26,
1996
Minimum Qualifications: On or before the date of the written
test you must have a Ph.D. in history AND two years of public
historical research experience in a governmental, historical, or
historic preservation setting.
Notes:
1. Appropriate part-time and volunteer experience, which can be
verified, will be accepted on a prorated basis.
2. New York State residence is not required.
3. Your degree and/or college credit must have been awarded by
a regionally accredited college or university or one recognized
by the NYS Education Department as following acceptable
educational practices. If your degree and/or college credit was
awarded by an educational institution outside the United States
and its territories, you must provide independent verification of
equivalency. You can write to the Examination Information Desk
of the Department for a list of acceptable companies who provide
this service. You must pay the required evaluation fee.
The Positions: These positions exist in the State Education
Department in Albany. There is one vacancy at present.
Duties: As a Senior Historian, you would perform historical
research and write articles for publication. You may also
supervise the development of training programs and the
preparation of instructional materials to increase the
professional competence of the town, village, city, and county
historians throughout the State. You would be responsible for
providing expert assistance to individuals and organizations,
through correspondence, personal consultation, and by producing
and making available published and other information materials.
You would be responsible for understanding new interpretive
approaches to historical research.
How to apply: Use Form OC_APP, application for NYS Examinations
open to the public. Forms are available (by mail or in person)
at the office of the New York State Department of Civil Service:
Building 1, State Campus, Albany, NY 12239. You may also obtain
application forms by visiting the Civil Service Career
Information Center, Suite 108 North Concourse, Empire State
Plaza, Albany, or one of the NYS Department of Labor Community
Service Centers or local offices; these offices cannot handle
mail requests.
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NEW YORK STATE DEPARTMENT OF CIVIL SERVICE JOB ANNOUNCEMENTS
22-756 MUSEUM REGISTRAR, G-22, Salary $41,399, Processing Fee
$16
Written test to be held December 14, 1996.
Applications must be postmarked no later than Friday, July 26,
1996
Minimum Qualifications: On or before the date of the written
test, you must have:
Either
A. a bachelor's degree in anthropology, archaeology,
biology, botany, zoology, history or museum studies; AND five
years of professional experience directing a large history,
anthropology, or natural history museum curatorial, registration
or collections management program. A large program is defined as
having at least 100,000 objects in its collection;
OR
B. a master's degree in one of the above disciplines; AND
three years of the above-listed experience.
Notes:
1. You must show specifically on your application how you meet
these qualifications.
2. Appropriate part-time and volunteer experience, which can be
verified, will be accepted on a prorated basis.
3. New York State residence is not required.
4. Your degree and/or college credit must have been awarded by
a regionally accredited college or university or one recognized
by the NYS Education Department as following acceptable
educational practices. If your degree and/or college credit was
awarded by an educational institution outside the United States
and its territories, you must provide independent verification of
equivalency. You can write to the Examination Information Desk
of the Department for a list of acceptable companies who provide
this service. You must pay the required evaluation fee.
5. During the week of November 4th, the Department of Civil
Service will be mailing a Study Guide/Resource Booklet to all
approved candidates for this examination. The Study
Guide/Resource Booklet contains information which will help you
prepare for the written test. Candidates will not be permitted
to bring the Study Guide/Resource Booklet with them into the
written test; additional copies will be available at the written
test site. If you do not receive your Study Guide/Resource
Booklet by December 2nd, please call 1-800-346-7314 (for
candidates outside the Albany area), or 518-485-6487 (for Albany
area candidates) between 9:00 a.m. and 4:00 p.m. weekdays.
The Positions: These positions exist in the State Education
Department in Albany. At present, there is one vacancy.
Duties: As the Museum Registrar, you would be responsible for
managing, planning and directing all aspects of the New York
State Museum's registration and collections management functions
and related activities. Your duties would include overseeing the
registration, documentation, and transactions of the permanent
and temporary collections, including all incoming and outgoing
loans; the responsibility for the maintenance, security, storage,
and handling of collections in the care of the Museum; inspecting
the collections and objects on exhibition for signs of
deterioration or damage; planning collections storage spaces for
the maximum utilization of space, safety, and security;
overseeing loan and exhibit negotiations with other institutions;
and developing preservation and risk management programs. You
would also assist in the development of Museum exhibit and
education programs, and might be called upon to supervise
lower-level professional and technical staff.
How to apply: Use Form OC_APP, application for NYS Examinations
open to the public. Forms are available (by mail or in person)
at the office of the New York State Department of Civil Service:
Building 1, State Campus, Albany, NY 12239. You may also obtain
application forms by visiting the Civil Service Career
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Service Centers or local offices; these offices cannot handle
mail requests.
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What is the current status of the Suffolk County (and Nassau County) HDI
directories? Will they be printed? When? May they be downloaded from
RLIN? How? Thank you in advance.
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Consider the Source: Historical Records in the Classroom may
now be previewed on-line at its own home page,
(http://www.sara.nysed.gov/services/teachers/ctspromo.htm).
Consider the Source is designed to help records repositories provide
access to historical records for educators and help educators develop
the skills necessary for locating, researching and using historical
records in the classroom. The book contains reproductions of historical
records and ready-to-use lesson plans and worksheets. The records
date from the 1790s to the 1960s. The lesson plans are interdisciplinary
and cover every grade level.
To order a copy of Consider the Source complete the order form
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I want to find out who was responsible for building a toll road between
Morris and New Berlin, Otsego County (now County Rte. 13) -- around 1843.
I believe that permission to operate a toll road was given by NYS govt.
and therefore should be part of an official record.
I will be in the Albany area on Friday. I know I have notes on this
somewhere, but I am unable to access some of my electronic files at the
moment.
Any assistance is greatly appreciated.
Beverly Vander Kooy
University at Buffalo Libraries
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Response to inquiry from Beverly Vanderkooy on toll road, 1843:
Turnpike (toll) road companies were incorporated by act of the State
Legislature. The acts were published in the annual session laws, which
are available in the New York State Library [phone 518-474-5355] and
other major research libraries around the state. The published journals
of the Senate and Assembly contain votes on bills for incorporation. The
petitions for incorporation and any other manuscript documentation of the
Legislature's actions regarding a turnpike company were destroyed in
the Capitol fire of 1911.
Jim Folts
New York State Archives
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Toward the end of the Revolutionary War, apprx 1780 a group
of CT volunteers under the command of Col Bebe went to
Long Island to a place called Fire Inlet and took Fort George
along with 52 prisoners. Does anyone know where (long. & lat.)
these two places existed?
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Subject: Revolutionary War Veterans
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Please advise me of sources listing revolutionary war veterans from New
York or sources from which such a listing could be created. I would
be intereted also in such listings or sources from New Jersey and
Pennsylvania and in the names and addresses of any researchers working on
such lists or in such sources.
Cheers,
TJD
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ANNOUNCEMENT
Special Theme Issue of CRM: History of Science and Technology
CRM, a National Park Service publication dedicated to cultural
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The National Archives Pension Lists for the Rev War would be
one way to gather at least part of this information.
A problem might be that many old soldiers from other areas moved
to NY and applied for a pension there.
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Tom Crosman
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The New York State Archives and Records Administration
cordially invites you to join us in celebrating
a publishing event
The Artificial River
The Erie Canal and the Paradox of Progress
by
Carol Sheriff
Lecture, Reception* and Book-Signing
Monday, July 29, 1996
5:30 ~ 7:30 p.m.
Museum Theater
New York State Museum
Madison Avenue
Albany, New York
Carol Sheriff will discuss the impact of the Erie Canal on the
people who lived along the waterway and how it revolutionized
their social and cultural life. To research this book, Dr. Sheriff
studied records in the State Archives that have previously seen
very little use. She will talk about her discovery of those
archival records. There will be an opportunity to purchase a
copy of The Artificial River, signed by the author. Dr. Sheriff,
assistant professor of history at the College of William and
Mary, was the recipient of a State Library Research Residency
Award in 1991.
Craig Williams, curator at the State Museum, will complement
Dr. Sheriff*s presentation with slides and artifacts from the
State Museum, the State Library, and the State Archives.
Please call 473-8037 by July 25 to make your reservation
* The reception is sponsored by the Mid-Lakes Navigation Co. of
Skaneateles, NY, operator of cruises along the Erie Canal; Hill &
Wang, publisher of The Artificial River; and the Canal Society of
the State of New York.
The Artificial River
The Erie Canal and the Paradox of Progress
Carol Sheriff
published by Hill & Wang, a division of Farrar, Straus and Giroux
July 1996
The completion of the Erie Canal in 1825 brought fresh
oysters and con men to Batavia and Buffalo, and opened up the
entire Western United States to commerce and development.
In The Artificial River, the young historian Carol Sheriff shows
how ordinary men and women who lived along the 363 miles of
the canal reacted to the revolution that it created in their lives,
and suggests the extraordinary range of human responses to
the *progress* it represented.
On the basis of unprecedented archival research, she is
able to throw light on one of the most important
transformations in the early life of our Republic.
As she demonstrates so vividly, the citizens of the Erie
region had suddenly to adjust to new geographic mobility, rapid
environmental change, government intervention in local
business, market expansion, the reorganization of work, and
moral reform -- all issues that have been replicated throughout
American history.
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The Harbor Defense Museum is in danger of being closed. It is located in
historic Fort Hamilton (built 1825-1831) in Brooklyn, New York. There are
46 such musuems in the United States but this is the only one in New York
City.
The museum is housed in the fort's flank battery and holds a treasure of
artifacts, books, maps and photographs. Military downsizing has caused the
museum's staff to drop from 4 to 1 and soon none! This museum is a unique
resource to school children and residents of our state. This is not a
tourist attraction...this is a resource of our state.
The issue has been confused, maybe on purpose, by talking about having
volunteers run the museum. Although volunteers are very active in the
museum's operation, the entire collection would be removed (by the Army's
Center of Military History) if there wasn't a professional staff member.
Another museum "saving" suggestion is to turn it into an art
gallery...again, the collection would be lost forever.
The museum needs your help now. The smallest step would be to e-mail a
brief letter of support to:
Senator Al D'Amato at [log in to unmask]
President Clinton at [log in to unmask]
Vice-President Gore at [log in to unmask]
To take a bigger step or for more information contact Vincent Katinas or
Phillip Melfi at (718) 238-9266.
Thanks...Tony Giordano at the Sunset Park Historical Society
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Message to DiAmato came back "undeliverable"!!! Was wrong address given for
him?
e-mailed the others o.k. How about getting the Brooklyn Borough President
involved. What else can we do?
I lived at the foot of Fort Hamilton (Battery Avenue) for 20 years..hate to
see it lost.
Have you tried getting intouch with some Brooklyn organizations?
Regards, Joan Lyons
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Subject: CFP: 9th Conference on Park Research & Management
CALL FOR PAPERS
"Making Protection Work: Parks & Reserves in a Crowded, Changing World" is
the theme of the 9th Conference on Research & Resource Management in Parks
and on Public Lands, scheduled for March 17-21, 1997, in Albuquerque, New
Mexico, USA. Organized by The George Wright Society, this is the USA's
premier interdisciplinary conference on parks and protected areas
(including historic sites), and typically draws between 400 and 500
professionals from around the country and elsewhere. All disciplines
related to cultural and natural resources, from archaeology to zoology, are
represented at the conference.
Four plenary, 1 poster, and 40 concurrent sessions are planned, along with
mid-week field trips and other special events. Abstracts are welcomed on
any topic related to research, resource management, and interpretation in
parks and protected areas, from any field in cultural and natural
resources. The DEADLINE FOR ABSTRACTS is 1 October 1996.
Complete information on the conference's format, theme, and specific
abstract requirements is available through the conference Web site:
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The Oral History Association invites
proposals for papers and presentations for its 1997
annual meeting to be held September 25-28, 1997, in
New Orleans, Louisiana. The theme of the meeting is
"Looking In, Looking Out: Retelling the Past,
Envisioning the Future."
The past one hundred years have been marked
by global transformations affecting every aspect of
life. Personal experience has been shaped and
reshaped through participation in the often
threatening but also often desired changes moving
around the world. This conference provides an
opportunity to share research on accounts of
personal experience in this century and to test
arguments about how the stories people tell about
their history relate to the strategies different
communities and social institutions have developed
to recreate the future. The program committee
especially encourages proposals that examine
relationships between science, religion, personal
values, and debates over public policy, but all
subjects are welcome. We invite proposals that
demonstrate how the use of oral sources has led
creative reexamination of any aspect of modern
history.
Proposals may be either individual papers or
group sessions. Proposals should include a title
and one-page description of the issues and questions
papers will address and the names, affiliation,
short vitae, mailing address, and phone number of
each presenter, including convenor and suggested
commentator. Deadline for proposals is December 10,
1996.
OHA policy prevents those who will present
papers at the 1996 annual meeting from doing so in
1997.
For futher information and to submit
proposals, contact either/or:
Alphine W. Jefferson
Department of History
College of Wooster
Wooster, OH 44691
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Steven J. Novak
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RECEPTION AND BOOK SIGNING
The Board of Directors of the Friends of the Niagara Falls Public Library invite
you to a reception and book signing marking the release of "Images of America:
Niagara Falls," by library local history specialist Daniel M. Dumych.
Monday, July 29nd, 1996
7:00 pm
Niagara Falls Public Library,
1425 Main Street
Niagara Falls, N.Y.
Piano music will be provided by Michael Johnson.
Refreshments will be served.
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In response to the inquiry about Fire Island Inlet -
Fire Island is a barrier island running along the south shore of
Long Island. Between Fire Island and Long Island proper is the
Great south Bay. Fire Island Inlet, lying at the western end of
Fire Island is a water passage connecting the Great South Bay
to the Atlantic Ocean.
Sailing through Fire Island Inlet can be tricky especially with an
onshore wind or if there is fog and/or a surf running. There comes a
point when a sailing vessel will not be able to claw off the lee
shore so the inlet better be where you think it is. It must have
been quite exciting in the eighteenth century with no radar.
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Interns, project and independent stury candidates, volunteers,thrill-seekers
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Joseph,
Thanks for the info. The inlet to which I referred apparently was
more commonly called, at the time (1800's), 'Old Inlet'. It was very
near Fort St. George on Long Island. It seems that it closed in during
the 19th century and no longer exists.
Thanks again.
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Hi,
Does anyone know of a good starting point looking for information on
Alely Pond Park in Queens, New York? In general, is there a book that
details the history of NYC Parks?
Thanks for any help that can be offered.
Chris.
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Don't like sending this Thank You to the list but my mail to [log in to unmask]
keeps bouncing -- so--
Hi Kirk,
Thanks so much for the HOWE descendancy chart. Looks like these people were
the first Howe's to USA. My Arthur Henry Howe came to USA from England ca
1850 or so. I have records on him from 1859 to 1910 but I'm stuck on
uncovering his background in England. I'm hoping to make a connection to
them all, in time.
Send me your e-mail address again.
Evelyn -- [log in to unmask]
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First: Thanks for all the great replies I received concerning the
taking of Fort St. George on Long Island in 1780.
Next: Shortly after G. Washington and his troops retreated from
New York/Brooklyn and while they were at White Plains a Capt.
Christopher Darrow gathered volunteers to watch the British movements.
They made excursions up Westchester Creek, Eastchester, New Rochelle,
and Rye. There were probably others.
One of the excursions, I believe at New Rochelle, resulted in a severe
battle and the taking of a store of approx. 100 casks of liquor.
Can anyone tell me: Are there any publications about these events.
If so, where and what? Any and all information, summaries, etc.
would be appreciated.
Thanks in advance!
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The bibliography in the Encyclopedia of New York City (Yale, 1995) entry on
parks refers to:
A Timeline Of New York City Park History (New York Dept. of Parks and
Recreation, 1988).
David Minor
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I am trying to find you as much as I can about the history of Greene Co., New
York. Can anyone suggest a book or any other resource that would give me an
idea of what it was like living there about the years 1790 to 1850?
I am also researching the history of Livingston Co., New York (mostly the
towns of Avon and Caladonia).
Any information would be helpful. I find that little bits of information can
lead to big discoveries.
Thank you.
Matt Carman
Researching: CARMAN, LEETE, GOULD, LACY, SACKETT, ADIX, DOAN families.
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You might want to start with the 1861 Gazeteer of the State of New York
(there's a paperback reprint of it out, but I don't know the year; I only
have the original). Most large bookstores should have it.
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Ray Beecher is the Greene County Historian. He is a wonderful
resource. There is also a History of Greene County that was first
published in the 1880s that has been reprinted. Another history of the
County was published two or three years ago and authored by Field
Horne. Ray Beecher can be reached at (518) 731-6822, Beecher Road,
Coxsackie, NY 12051. He is very active at the Greene County Historical
Society which may be a possible source for the two publications. Most
bookstores can also order them for you.
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I'm looking at Gustavus Meyers' History of Tammany Hall for the
period 1825-1828, where he mentions "one of the most extended and
sensational trials which the city (New York) had known." This is the trial of
Jacob Barker et al for frauds. Towards the end of his account, he
says "The severity of the law fell on the minor offenders, two of
whom, Mowatt and Hyatt, went to prison for two years, and the Lambert
brothers for one year."
I need to know the first names of the Lambert brothers. I've
consulted a printed account of one of the Barker trials, and the
newspaper reports of another, and found no mention of any Lamberts.
Is there a quick and dirty method of getting the names of the
Lamberts sent up the river from 1826 to, say, 1829?
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Elam Luddington worked as an apprentice at Smith & Demis Shipyard in 1825
and describes his work on a large brig of 64 guns which took a year to
build. Is there a book that would have more information about the Shipyard
and building of ships?
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My husband's gg gf, Elam LUDDINTON mentions joining a church in New York
City and I am interested if it is still standing or how I might find out
what denomination it was.
"The church edifice was located on the corner of Byrom and Norfolk Streets,
City of New York, Simeon Clow, Pastor."
Any ideas??
Karen.
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The NYC shipbuilding firm of Smith & Dimon constructed the 44 gun frigate
Liberator on contract for the Greek navy in 1825. This vessel was actually
pierced for 66 guns and was similar to the earlier 64 gun designs. When the
Greek government failed to take delivery Liberator was sold to the US Navy
and commissioned as the Hudson. Hudson made one cruise to the Brazilian
Station and was layed up. By 1844 she was rotten and ordered broken up at
NYC. A plan of the Hudson (ex- Liberator) appears in The American Sailing
Navy by Howard Chapelle, W.W. Norton, NYC, 1949 following page 361.
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Thank you for all the information everyone sent to me about Green County.
I am also researching a few generations back to Peekskill, NY from 1746 to
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On Sat, 27 Jul 1996, Vivian Karen Bush wrote:
> My husband's gg gf, Elam LUDDINTON mentions joining a church in New York
> City and I am interested if it is still standing or how I might find out
> what denomination it was.
>
> "The church edifice was located on the corner of Byrom and Norfolk Streets,
> City of New York, Simeon Clow, Pastor."
>
> Any ideas??
Karen:
There are listings for 2 churches and a synagogue on Norfolk St. in "Guide
to Vital Statistics in the City of New York, Borough of Manhattan:
Churches" (Historical Records Survey, Work Projects Administration, New
York, 1942) This was a WPA project that was meant to create a complete
list of all the churches that functioned in NY from the 17th century to
the present.
The street index to the volume turned up the following on Norfolk St:
Asbury Methodist, 1842-1861, located on Norfolk St. near Stanton St.
Norfolk St. Baptist, 1841-? There is no address listed, but it seems to
have moved at some point to 490 Riverside Drive and been renamed Riverside
Church. Baptism, member, and death lists 1841-?
Sheveth Ashim Anshei Slonim, 172 Norfolk St., 1888-?
The street index does not mention Byrom St.
I hope that this is of some use.
Frank Newman
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