Hi Barbara, The Smiley family at Mohonk Mountain House kept excellent records and, in this century, Dan Smiley even kept records of the temperature of the water in Lake Mohonk. There was an Archivist at Mohonk and, hopefully is again. I do not have the name or number, but call Mohonk, located in New Paltz. let me know if you are successful. At 01:58 PM 6/27/96 -0400, you wrote: >I'd be interested to know what is the best way to find out the weather in >December 1871 in Central New York State. Any ideas? > > >Barbara Taylor >Original Cataloger >340 Myron Taylor Hall >Cornell University Law Library >Ithaca, NY 14853 > >e-mail: [log in to unmask] >voice: (607) 255-5860 > > > Adele A. Lerner, Archivist New York Hospital-Cornell Medical Center 1300 York Avenue New York, New York 10021 212-746-6072 From [log in to unmask] Fri Jun 28 14:41:51 1996 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from emout14.mail.aol.com (emout14.mx.aol.com) by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA16840; Fri, 28 Jun 1996 14:41:49 -0400 Received: by emout14.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id OAA03469 for [log in to unmask]; Fri, 28 Jun 1996 14:45:25 -0400 Date: Fri, 28 Jun 1996 14:45:25 -0400 From: [log in to unmask] Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: Historic markers content-length: 1614 My own recent experiences with an "official " New York State historic marker shows the lack of coordination. I recently purchased a 250 year old farm in Orange County, New York. As part of the effort to have the property listed on the New York State and National Registers of Historic Places, the local town historian wrote out the text of a historical marker, to be placed on the lawn out front. The marker costs $400, and is ordered from a manufacturer in Walton, New York, in Delaware County. This company seems to do a large business in historic markers, although I was told that one of the state's prisons was getting into the business. I did not like the original text of the marker, and suggested re-wording. The town historian explained to me why his language was appropriate, and that mine had a "spin" that coulfd be factually misleading. However, because I was paying for the marker, he would change it if I insisted. I agreed to go with his language after discussing it with him. At no time, however, was any input from any state historical official suggested or required. I do not know if the manufacturer consulted with any officials before making the marker. Certainly, the Town Historian, an expert in the field, used his knowledge to write the text, but to my knowledge, he did not seek anyone else's approval. I do not know how many manufacturers of historic markers exist. One could create a comprehensive list of these markers if an inventory from these manufacturers was done. P.S. The house was listed on the National Register on June 3. Steve Mosenson ([log in to unmask]) From [log in to unmask] Fri Jun 28 14:56:58 1996 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from unix2.nysed.gov by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA16879; Fri, 28 Jun 1996 14:56:57 -0400 Received: from dos56.nysed.gov by unix2.nysed.gov (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id OAA08001; Fri, 28 Jun 1996 14:59:58 -0400 Date: Fri, 28 Jun 1996 14:59:51 -0900 (PDT) From: Jim Corsaro <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask] Cc: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: KKK in New York X-Sender: [log in to unmask] In-Reply-To: <[log in to unmask]> Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII content-length: 1802 Chris: Our repository has the following material re: the KKK in New York. 1. An announcement and small poster of a KKK rally in Albany in 1928, the chief speaker was U.S. Sen. J. Thos. Heflin of Alabama (perhaps an ancestor of the current Sen. Howell Heflin from Alabama?) 2. The Minutes of meetings of the KKK group in Peekskill, NY 1872. 3. Papers of the KKK in Prattsville, NY 1925-28, including cash books, applications for "citizenship," bulletins, correspondence, minutes of meetings, etc. We may some of KKK stuff in larger collections, such as the Alfred E. Smith Papers, but I will leave that to you to check, if and when you need to do so. Let me know, if you want to research any of this stuff and I will have it put on reserve for you. jim James Corsaro Associate Librarian Manuscripts and Special Collections New York State Library Empire State Plaza Albany, New York 12230 e-mail: [log in to unmask] (518) 474-5963 On Thu, 27 Jun 1996, Christine C. Kleinegger wrote: > Research query: for a possible exhibit on the Ku Klux Klan in N.Y.S. > in the 1920s at the New York State Museum, I am looking for primary > sources (membership lists, oral histories etc.), > ephemera, photographs, and artifacts on the KKK in N.Y.S. I am > particularly interested in Klan activity on the local level and local > response. I am familiar with Shawn Lay's book on Buffalo > and Jay Rubin's 1970's study of the Klan in Binghamton, as well as > the New York material in Kenneth Jackson's "The Ku Klux Klan in the > City" and David Chalmer's "Hooded Americanism." I can be reached > through this list, or e-mail [[log in to unmask]] or phone > [518-486-2033]. > > Christine Kleinegger, Senior Historian > New York State Museum, Albany > > > > From [log in to unmask] Fri Jun 28 17:00:24 1996 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from VAXC.HOFSTRA.EDU by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA17001; Fri, 28 Jun 1996 17:00:22 -0400 Received: from vaxc.hofstra.edu by vaxc.hofstra.edu (PMDF V5.0-6 #15259) id <[log in to unmask]> for [log in to unmask]; Fri, 28 Jun 1996 17:01:53 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 1996 17:01:53 -0400 (EDT) From: "NATALIE A. NAYLOR" <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Lydia Minturn Post, mid-19th century author To: [log in to unmask] Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]> X-Vms-To: IN%"[log in to unmask]" X-Vms-Cc: NUCNZN Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT content-length: 1374 I am seeking information on Lydia Minturn Post, author of "Personal Recollections of the American Revolution, A Private Journal Prepared from Authentic Domestic Records by Lydia Minturn Post," edited by Sidney Barclay, published in 1859. Barclay was Lydia's pen name; the book was reprinted eight years later under the name Grace Barclay. Lydia Minturn Post also published "Soldier's Letters from Camp, Battle Field and Prison" in 1865. The book on the Revolution is set in British-occupied Long Island; it was reprinted in 1970 by Kennikat Press and now a young adult book has been published in a series "In Their Own Words," claiming that it was written by Lydia's grandmother, Mary Titus Post. There is quite conclusive evidence, however, that Lydia wrote the "journal" in the mid-19th century using published 19th century books. Lydia's paternal grandparents (or perhaps great-grandparents) apparently were Henry Post (1733-1816) and Mary Titus (1740-?) who married in 1761. Their son, Henry Post (1774-1847) married Mary Minturn; he was a merchant in NYC and the NYS archives has his correspondence. There is also a Minturn Post (M.D., Columbia College, class of 1827) and Mary King who may have been related. I am not interested so much in the genealogy per se as trying to learn more about Lydia for an essay review of the new book which has her "journal." From [log in to unmask] Sun Jun 30 23:37:04 1996 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from uclink4.berkeley.edu by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA20005; Sun, 30 Jun 1996 23:37:02 -0400 Received: from uclink.berkeley.edu (uclink.berkeley.edu [128.32.155.3]) by uclink4.berkeley.edu (8.7.5/8.6.12) with ESMTP id UAA21468 for <[log in to unmask]>; Sun, 30 Jun 1996 20:40:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (dshaw@localhost) by uclink.berkeley.edu (8.7.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id UAA27589 for <[log in to unmask]>; Sun, 30 Jun 1996 20:35:46 -0700 Date: Sun, 30 Jun 1996 20:35:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Diane Marie Shaw <[log in to unmask]> To: Multiple recipients of list <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: NYHIST-L digest 41 In-Reply-To: <9606280402.AA15456@unix10> Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII content-length: 1798 I am working on my dissertation on new cities established during the early 19th century in New York state. I have been unable to resolve some questions I have about the process of legally becoming incorporated (chartered) villages and cities during the first half of the 19th century. As I understand it, places neeed to petition the state assembly for the grant of a charter. Having read the charters for Troy, Syracuse, and Rochester, I can attest to the similarity of rights and responsibilities a charter awarded. What I cannot determine are what standards did the petitioners have to present in order to be considered? Was there a minimum size of a settlement in terms of its population? How many signatures and whose were needed on a petition? Obviously some residents opposed incorporation and giving legal powers to the municipality. Did the state legislature possess any guidelines as to the standards that must be met--was there enabling legislation that set forth the criteria? Or, perhaps, each case was determined on a case-by-case basis. In that event, would there be state assembly records/minutes recording the deliberations? Any advice on where I could find secondary or primary sources that deal with NY state municipal guidelines for the period before 1850 would be greatly appreciated. Of some help are: J. Dillon's *A Treatise on the Law of Municipal Corporations" published in 1872 but it covers a period where there was change in the laws. I have also looked at G. Flug's :The City as a Legal Concept," Horwitz's *Transformation of American Law*, E. Monkkonen's *America Becomes Urban*, Still's "Patterns of Mid-19th Century Urbanization in the Middle West," and Hartog's *Public Property and Private Power,* Thanks- Diane Shaw [log in to unmask] From [log in to unmask] Mon Jul 1 09:39:59 1996 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from rhone.ed.umuc.edu by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA20854; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 09:39:48 -0400 Received: from admin.ed.umuc.edu (admin.ed.umuc.edu [144.170.246.10]) by rhone.ed.umuc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id PAA06889 for <[log in to unmask]>; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 15:37:18 +0200 Received: from cc:Mail by admin.ed.umuc.edu id AA836260895; Mon, 01 Jul 96 15:41:35 CET Date: Mon, 01 Jul 96 15:41:35 CET From: "David Godfrey" <[log in to unmask]> Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re[2]: Historic markers content-length: 2106 If anyone is interested, I can relate a similar experience in having a marker set up at the house of my ancestor near Otisville, Orange county. I would be happy to give the details if there is any interest. David Godfrey (presently in Germany) ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: Historic markers Author: [log in to unmask] at Internet Date: 1/7/96 3:17 PM My own recent experiences with an "official " New York State historic marker shows the lack of coordination. I recently purchased a 250 year old farm in Orange County, New York. As part of the effort to have the property listed on the New York State and National Registers of Historic Places, the local town historian wrote out the text of a historical marker, to be placed on the lawn out front. The marker costs $400, and is ordered from a manufacturer in Walton, New York, in Delaware County. This company seems to do a large business in historic markers, although I was told that one of the state's prisons was getting into the business. I did not like the original text of the marker, and suggested re-wording. The town historian explained to me why his language was appropriate, and that mine had a "spin" that coulfd be factually misleading. However, because I was paying for the marker, he would change it if I insisted. I agreed to go with his language after discussing it with him. At no time, however, was any input from any state historical official suggested or required. I do not know if the manufacturer consulted with any officials before making the marker. Certainly, the Town Historian, an expert in the field, used his knowledge to write the text, but to my knowledge, he did not seek anyone else's approval. I do not know how many manufacturers of historic markers exist. One could create a comprehensive list of these markers if an inventory from these manufacturers was done. P.S. The house was listed on the National Register on June 3. Steve Mosenson ([log in to unmask]) From [log in to unmask] Mon Jul 1 09:41:31 1996 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from Mailbox.Samford.Edu ([199.20.16.8]) by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA20875; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 09:41:30 -0400 Message-Id: <9607011341.AA20875@unix10> Received: from glwarner.samford.edu by Mailbox.Samford.Edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R3) with TCP; Mon, 01 Jul 96 08:43:06 CST Comments: Authenticated sender is <[log in to unmask]> From: "Gary Warner" <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask] Date: Mon, 1 Jul 1996 08:43:24 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Historic markers Reply-To: [log in to unmask] Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.33) content-length: 751 > the local town historian wrote out the text of a historical marker > > At no time, however, was any input from any state historical official > suggested or required. > > I do not know if the manufacturer consulted with any officials before making > the marker. Certainly, the Town Historian, an expert in the field, used his > knowledge to write the text, but to my knowledge, he did not seek anyone > else's approval. An interesting thing about New York, is that based on my own experience, these "local historians" seem to be acting with the power of the state. In other words, there was no one to seek approval FROM because the state has vested him with such responsibility. I wish more states had "official" local historians! - Gary From [log in to unmask] Mon Jul 1 17:57:48 1996 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from MAIL.NYSED.GOV by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA21737; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 17:57:47 -0400 Received: from SEDDOM1-Message_Server by MAIL.NYSED.GOV with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 01 Jul 1996 17:57:00 -0400 Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]> X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Mon, 01 Jul 1996 18:00:24 -0400 From: James Folts <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask] Subject: City charters, early 19th century content-length: 1936 Response to inquiry from Diane M. Shaw: The New York State Archives holds a small series of petitions, correspondence, and reports relating to cities, filed with the State Legislature between 1780 and 1830. These documents concern charters and amendments thereto, land grants, legislation relating to cities, police and courts, etc. Most of the documents relate to New York City. The petitions and letters were referred to a joint Senate-Assembly committee or to a select committee of Assembly members. The series is available on one reel of microfilm, which is available for sale or inter-library loan (contact Bill Gorman, 518-474-8955 or e-mail to [log in to unmask]). The above-noted record series survived the 1911 Capitol fire relatively intact (though some documents were lost or damaged), because it had been bound into a large volume or volumes before the fire. Unfortunately almost all the huge number of unbound, bundled legislative petitions, correspondence, and reports were destroyed. These included the petitions for erection of towns and villages, and the incorporation of cities, prior to 1911. Something about the legislative process of granting or amending city charters may be traced through the floor votes and actions recorded in the printed journals of the Senate and the Assembly. These journals are available in the State Library (518-474-5355; e-mail to [log in to unmask]). The first general statutory provisions relating to the erection of cities appear in the Revised Statutes of 1829, Part I, Chap. 3, Title 6, Sections 1-6. These very brief provisions relate mainly to the survey and map of the boundaries of the city, and to the public notice required prior to application to the Legislature. Jim Folts Head, Research Services New York State Archives Cultural Education Center Room 11D40 Albany, NY 12230 USA E-mail [log in to unmask] Phone (518) 474-8955; Fax (518) 473-9985 From [log in to unmask] Mon Jul 1 13:08:00 1996 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from smtp1.interramp.com by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA21422; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 13:07:58 -0400 Received: from [38.10.212.104] by smtp1.interramp.com (8.6.12/SMI-4.1.3-PSI-irsmtp) id NAA07098; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 13:10:46 -0400 Date: Mon, 1 Jul 1996 13:10:46 -0400 X-Sender: [log in to unmask] Message-Id: <v01520d00adfd7a2809ea@[38.10.212.117]> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: [log in to unmask] From: [log in to unmask] (Michael M Byrne) Subject: historic markers content-length: 3649 Dear Friends and Instructors of history: I wanted to take a medium bit of everyones time to confirm something many of our politicians have been saying about govt services. That being, the govt will only continue to do what is essential to its bests interests. That means that if someone can get their name in the paper or re-elected then they will make something happen. Obviously, historic markers don't really fall into that catagory so as some writers have mentioned, they have not been funded for over 40 years. That brings me to the second observation about who makes things happen in the real world.... you and me. As the note I have copied and pasted shows, we all must become active in the protection of our historic interests because the gov't just cant afford it any more. I am the Marketing Chairman of The Rochester and Genesee Valley RR Museum located 15 miles south of Rochester. We are going to celebrate our 25th anniversary during the weekend of July 20 and 21st (please stop by!). During our 25 years of operation and restoration of our 1909 Erie RR Depot and numerous local pieces of RR equipment, we have never received funding from any government agencies. We have raised thousands of dollars by publishing books, running train rides, selling tickets to our museum and most important pounding on businesses doors for donations. I suggest that we as community members need to take on the restoration and oversight of these historic markers if the state and local gov't is no longer in a position to do it themselves. As one of our many famous politicians said....become one of those "points of light". Hopefully I am not preaching to the choir. If you get a chance, stop by The Rochester and Genesee Valley RR Museum. Our entrance is on East River Rd (Take RT 390 to exit 11 (1 exit S of NYS thruway) and then take RT 251 west apx 2 miles to a flashing traffic signal, turn rt at East River Rd and the Entrance to the Museum is on the left after apx 1 mi. If you can't make it take a virtual tour on the www http://www.rochester.ny.us/railmuseum.html I realize this is sort of an ad, but it seems like nobody knows we exist outside of Rochester! Mike Byrne Publicity and Marketing Chairman Rochester and Genesee Valley RR Museum 716/533-1431 Follows is an inspiring note from Les Buell re how his students made an impact: >As a teacher of seventh graders I have found these markers to be invaluable >over the last 30+ years of teaching. I often offer my students credit for >"rubbing" various markers. Good practice in rubbing and learning a little >history at the same time. I also offer credit every few years to students who >wish to "adopt" a marker and repaint it. > Several years ago one of the local markers turned up missing. I was not >sure when it vanished so I sicked my students on the problem. SEVERAL of them >got the bright idea that it might have been done in by a snow plow and so >they and their parents got on the telephone. About 11:00 p.m. that evening I >had a call from the county highway superintendent who asked me to "call off >the dogs." Seems his crew did have the sign which had been taken out by a >plow. It was unbroken and he promised to deliver it to my classroom if I >would promise to get the kids to stop calling him. He did and I did. Now, >with permission from the land owner the sign has been reinstalled in the same >spot but somewhat further from the highway. GREAT FUN for me and for the >students. > I would love to see this program return. Many others need to be >replaced. > >Les Buell >Williamson Middle School >Williamson, New York 14589 >1-315-589-9661 From [log in to unmask] Mon Jul 1 14:03:05 1996 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from unix5.nysed.gov by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA21507; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 14:03:05 -0400 Received: from museum.nysed.gov (dos90.nysed.gov) by unix5.nysed.gov (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA00519; Mon, 1 Jul 96 14:14:34 EDT Received: from MUSEUM/SpoolDir by museum.nysed.gov (Mercury 1.21); 1 Jul 96 14:07:25 EDT Received: from SpoolDir by MUSEUM (Mercury 1.21); 1 Jul 96 14:07:08 EDT From: "Philip L. Lord" <[log in to unmask]> Organization: NYS Museum To: [log in to unmask] Date: Mon, 1 Jul 1996 14:07:03 EDT Subject: Re: Historic markers Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.23) Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]> content-length: 1686 There is a comprehensive list, although much out of date, of the 2800 or more official state-funded markers, and this list is being updated with volunteer efforts to the best of our ability. As far as foundries are concerned, the Walton Foundry began casting these in the '20s, and the casting is still done by the modern version of that foundry, although now in aluminum, not iron. For a few months, the Department of Correctional Services used its Elmira prison foundry to produce markers, but discontinued the service as it competed with a New York business. While there are any number of foundries that could cast these, to my knowledge no other foundry has the molds prepared, which is the major cost of tooling up. As far as concern that a "town historian" suggested text for a marker being paid for with private funds - the official Town and County historians are appointed by local government to serve, among other things, as local expertise on matter of local history. They report to the State Historian and are guided by his statewide history initiatives. Given the present lack of public funding for the program, it is reasonable to expect the local government historians at either the county or municipal level to assist in this process. The only "State" authorization presently needed applies to erecting markers on state lands, such as highway rights of way. In most cases, the local historians would be in a much better position to draft accurate text than a "state" official, and we ask merely an opportunity to review and record these texts in advance of casting, just in case. Philip Lord, Jr. State Educaion Department [log in to unmask] From [log in to unmask] Mon Jul 1 15:16:36 1996 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from Aldus.NorthNet.org by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA21621; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 15:16:34 -0400 Received: by Aldus.NorthNet.org (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA29077; Mon, 1 Jul 96 15:21:22 EDT Date: Mon, 1 Jul 1996 15:21:22 -0400 (EDT) From: Laura Lynne Scharer <[log in to unmask]> To: Gary Warner <[log in to unmask]> Cc: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: Historic markers In-Reply-To: <9607011341.AA20875@unix10> Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII content-length: 848 On Mon, 1 Jul 1996, Gary Warner wrote: > > An interesting thing about New York, is that based on my own > experience, these "local historians" seem to be acting with the power > of the state. In other words, there was no one to seek approval > FROM because the state has vested him with such responsibility. > > I wish more states had "official" local historians! > > - > Gary > Despite the fact that a state law authorizes the appointment of local government historians, the historians are hired/appointed by their local jurisdiction (town, village, city or county) and do not represent the State. As has been said before in this discussion, there are many "unofficial" markers that look just like the state markers. The marker from Orange County sounds like one of these. Laura Lyyne Scharer Jefferson County Historian From [log in to unmask] Tue Jul 2 09:16:26 1996 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from unix5.nysed.gov by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA23097; Tue, 2 Jul 1996 09:16:26 -0400 Received: from museum.nysed.gov (dos90.nysed.gov) by unix5.nysed.gov (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA02617; Tue, 2 Jul 96 09:27:56 EDT Received: from MUSEUM/SpoolDir by museum.nysed.gov (Mercury 1.21); 2 Jul 96 09:20:48 EDT Received: from SpoolDir by MUSEUM (Mercury 1.21); 2 Jul 96 09:20:35 EDT From: "Philip L. Lord" <[log in to unmask]> Organization: NYS Museum To: [log in to unmask] Date: Tue, 2 Jul 1996 09:20:30 EDT Subject: Re: historic markers Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.23) Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]> content-length: 1379 This is intended to put a recent comment about government cutting funding to the historic marker program in a little bit of context. The program was established by law in 1926 to find a way to commemorate the 150th anniversary of the American Revolution. I can find no evidence it was ever intended to go on forever. Funding was appropriated for that purpose and, just as with the 1976 celebration, it eventually ended. It would be nice to think that erecting historic site markers could be a government program, with funding, even on a matching basis, continuing on. And perhaps there is an opportunity for that. But it might also be reasonable to view this program the way the National Register of Historic Places is viewed - a locally initiated application process with government established criteria and awards of "historic" status. The purpose of monumenting local history, particularly where little if any visible evidence remains and perhaps less common knowledge survives, is a noble pupose and worthy of government participation. And, contrary to the posting, the erecting of an historic marker IS an opportunity for government officials to "point with pride" because, these days, making local history more visible translates, at least in the press, into "heritage tourism." Philip Lord, Jr. NYS Museum/State Education Dept. [log in to unmask] From [log in to unmask] Tue Jul 2 09:34:45 1996 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from unix5.nysed.gov by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA23139; Tue, 2 Jul 1996 09:34:44 -0400 Received: from museum.nysed.gov (dos90.nysed.gov) by unix5.nysed.gov (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA02642; Tue, 2 Jul 96 09:46:15 EDT Received: from MUSEUM/SpoolDir by museum.nysed.gov (Mercury 1.21); 2 Jul 96 09:39:07 EDT Received: from SpoolDir by MUSEUM (Mercury 1.21); 2 Jul 96 09:38:52 EDT From: "Philip L. Lord" <[log in to unmask]> Organization: NYS Museum To: [log in to unmask] Date: Tue, 2 Jul 1996 09:38:49 EDT Subject: Finger Lakes statue Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.23) Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]> content-length: 1041 I have received a snail-mail inquiry from a woman in Michigan, referred from the Chemung County Historical Society, that can only be answered by someone out there, hopefully reachable by this listserv. Here is the request: "I am seeking information about a relative and a statue to him which my 100 year old mother remembers visiting somewhere in the Finger Lakes region. The statue may have other people in it but he is one of the prominent people in it. His last name was Dunning. He is a Revolutionary War hero. It is well known in whatever town it is in or near since she had no trouble finding it. This man probably was from Vermont - one of the Green Mountain Boys." I post this less as a geneaological item and more as a way of linking the historians in the town where this statue is located with descendants of the man, and possibly papers or other information from the West that relate, in this manner, to the local history of the town. Philip Lord, Jr. NYS Museum/State Education Department [log in to unmask] From [log in to unmask] Wed Jul 3 09:04:29 1996 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from emout16.mail.aol.com (emout16.mx.aol.com) by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA25137; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 09:04:28 -0400 Received: by emout16.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id JAA05503 for [log in to unmask]; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 09:08:52 -0400 Date: Wed, 3 Jul 1996 09:08:52 -0400 From: [log in to unmask] Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: Finger Lakes statue content-length: 463 A check of the list of those with Eathan Allen at Ticonderoga 10 may 1775 as compiled by Robert O. Bascom and printed in the Bulletin of the Fort Ticonderoga Museum Vol. XIII No.5 1977lists a Matthew Dunning of So. Willamstown, Mass. as one of the 83 that crossed the Lake for the initial attack. Apparently there is also some information regarding him in "Mass. Soldier's and Sailors' of the Revolution". Dennis Lewis Clinton Community College Plattsburgh, NY From [log in to unmask] Fri Jul 5 23:37:52 1996 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from host.ot.centuryinter.net (www.eritter.net) by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA29376; Fri, 5 Jul 1996 23:37:50 -0400 Received: from anxp12.sm.centuryinter.net by host.ot.centuryinter.net; (5.65/1.1.8.2/16Aug95-0520PM) id AA30186; Fri, 5 Jul 1996 23:38:18 -0400 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Historical Markers Date: Sat, 06 Jul 96 04:41:09 GMT Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]> From: [log in to unmask] X-Mailer: Quarterdeck Message Center [1.1] content-length: 628 In the local library's answer column of The San Marcos (Tx) Daily Record, an association called "E Clampus Vitus" was described: "...founded in Sierra City, CA in 1857 as burlesque of fraternal societies....a hoaxing society, it also engaged in charitable activities in mining towns.... Revived in 1931 by...members of the CA Historical Society, the society exists for fun, for the revival of gold rush lore, and for the placing of plaques at historical sites." ---- Margaret Downs Glendinning [log in to unmask] CHAMBERLIN FISHER MOORE STREET SKINNER:MA/VT/CN>NY>MI 1619-NOW DOWNS HENRY SEWELL STAAS:NY 1850-1960 From [log in to unmask] Sun Jul 7 01:03:29 1996 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from firedragon.com by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA00620; Sun, 7 Jul 1996 01:03:26 -0400 Received: (from kap@localhost) by firedragon.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) id VAA01651; Sat, 6 Jul 1996 21:54:31 -0600 Date: Sat, 6 Jul 1996 21:54:31 -0600 (MDT) From: "Karl A. Petersen" <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Early IBM Typewriters In-Reply-To: <9606131253.AA04725@unix10> Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII content-length: 958 Three original, unrestored and unfortunately currently inoperable Electromatic/IBM typewriters are available. One is a standard elite machine, another a wide carriage model and the third an Executive with incremental spacing and bold Roman type. These are the early model O and A style with rear motor speed control, red and black plastic knobs and/or keys, and were made in Rochester or Poughkeepsie. The proportional spacing model was the first successful production example of proportional spacing after the early British developments such as the Maskelyene. I have to place them within the week, so please let me know of your interest or forward this note to any interested party. I also have a very complete IBM Selectric Composer with hundreds of fonts and a nearly complete parts machine. It was mothballed just after a complete service when IBM was discontinuing service. Thanks for your interest. Karl A. Petersen [log in to unmask] From [log in to unmask] Mon Jul 8 10:11:32 1996 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from MAIL.NYSED.GOV by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA02326; Mon, 8 Jul 1996 10:11:31 -0400 Received: from SEDDOM1-Message_Server by MAIL.NYSED.GOV with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 08 Jul 1996 10:14:11 -0400 Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]> X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Mon, 08 Jul 1996 10:14:41 -0400 From: Bill Evans <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Historian position content-length: 2471 NEW YORK STATE DEPARTMENT OF CIVIL SERVICE JOB ANNOUNCEMENTS 22-755 SENIOR HISTORIAN, G-22, Salary $41,399, Processing Fee $16 Written test to be held December 14, 1996. Applications must be postmarked no later than Friday, July 26, 1996 Minimum Qualifications: On or before the date of the written test you must have a Ph.D. in history AND two years of public historical research experience in a governmental, historical, or historic preservation setting. Notes: 1. Appropriate part-time and volunteer experience, which can be verified, will be accepted on a prorated basis. 2. New York State residence is not required. 3. Your degree and/or college credit must have been awarded by a regionally accredited college or university or one recognized by the NYS Education Department as following acceptable educational practices. If your degree and/or college credit was awarded by an educational institution outside the United States and its territories, you must provide independent verification of equivalency. You can write to the Examination Information Desk of the Department for a list of acceptable companies who provide this service. You must pay the required evaluation fee. The Positions: These positions exist in the State Education Department in Albany. There is one vacancy at present. Duties: As a Senior Historian, you would perform historical research and write articles for publication. You may also supervise the development of training programs and the preparation of instructional materials to increase the professional competence of the town, village, city, and county historians throughout the State. You would be responsible for providing expert assistance to individuals and organizations, through correspondence, personal consultation, and by producing and making available published and other information materials. You would be responsible for understanding new interpretive approaches to historical research. How to apply: Use Form OC_APP, application for NYS Examinations open to the public. Forms are available (by mail or in person) at the office of the New York State Department of Civil Service: Building 1, State Campus, Albany, NY 12239. You may also obtain application forms by visiting the Civil Service Career Information Center, Suite 108 North Concourse, Empire State Plaza, Albany, or one of the NYS Department of Labor Community Service Centers or local offices; these offices cannot handle mail requests. From [log in to unmask] Mon Jul 8 10:24:12 1996 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from MAIL.NYSED.GOV by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA02412; Mon, 8 Jul 1996 10:24:11 -0400 Received: from SEDDOM1-Message_Server by MAIL.NYSED.GOV with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 08 Jul 1996 10:26:51 -0400 Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]> X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Mon, 08 Jul 1996 10:26:47 -0400 From: Bill Evans <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask] Subject: museum registrar position content-length: 3903 NEW YORK STATE DEPARTMENT OF CIVIL SERVICE JOB ANNOUNCEMENTS 22-756 MUSEUM REGISTRAR, G-22, Salary $41,399, Processing Fee $16 Written test to be held December 14, 1996. Applications must be postmarked no later than Friday, July 26, 1996 Minimum Qualifications: On or before the date of the written test, you must have: Either A. a bachelor's degree in anthropology, archaeology, biology, botany, zoology, history or museum studies; AND five years of professional experience directing a large history, anthropology, or natural history museum curatorial, registration or collections management program. A large program is defined as having at least 100,000 objects in its collection; OR B. a master's degree in one of the above disciplines; AND three years of the above-listed experience. Notes: 1. You must show specifically on your application how you meet these qualifications. 2. Appropriate part-time and volunteer experience, which can be verified, will be accepted on a prorated basis. 3. New York State residence is not required. 4. Your degree and/or college credit must have been awarded by a regionally accredited college or university or one recognized by the NYS Education Department as following acceptable educational practices. If your degree and/or college credit was awarded by an educational institution outside the United States and its territories, you must provide independent verification of equivalency. You can write to the Examination Information Desk of the Department for a list of acceptable companies who provide this service. You must pay the required evaluation fee. 5. During the week of November 4th, the Department of Civil Service will be mailing a Study Guide/Resource Booklet to all approved candidates for this examination. The Study Guide/Resource Booklet contains information which will help you prepare for the written test. Candidates will not be permitted to bring the Study Guide/Resource Booklet with them into the written test; additional copies will be available at the written test site. If you do not receive your Study Guide/Resource Booklet by December 2nd, please call 1-800-346-7314 (for candidates outside the Albany area), or 518-485-6487 (for Albany area candidates) between 9:00 a.m. and 4:00 p.m. weekdays. The Positions: These positions exist in the State Education Department in Albany. At present, there is one vacancy. Duties: As the Museum Registrar, you would be responsible for managing, planning and directing all aspects of the New York State Museum's registration and collections management functions and related activities. Your duties would include overseeing the registration, documentation, and transactions of the permanent and temporary collections, including all incoming and outgoing loans; the responsibility for the maintenance, security, storage, and handling of collections in the care of the Museum; inspecting the collections and objects on exhibition for signs of deterioration or damage; planning collections storage spaces for the maximum utilization of space, safety, and security; overseeing loan and exhibit negotiations with other institutions; and developing preservation and risk management programs. You would also assist in the development of Museum exhibit and education programs, and might be called upon to supervise lower-level professional and technical staff. How to apply: Use Form OC_APP, application for NYS Examinations open to the public. Forms are available (by mail or in person) at the office of the New York State Department of Civil Service: Building 1, State Campus, Albany, NY 12239. You may also obtain application forms by visiting the Civil Service Career Information Center, Suite 108 North Concourse, Empire State Plaza, Albany, or one of the NYS Department of Labor Community Service Centers or local offices; these offices cannot handle mail requests. From [log in to unmask] Mon Jul 8 14:12:17 1996 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from scls1.suffolk.lib.ny.us by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA02840; Mon, 8 Jul 1996 14:12:16 -0400 Received: from bookworm.suffolk.lib.ny.us ([199.173.91.81]) by scls1.suffolk.lib.ny.us (8.6.12/8.6.6) with ESMTP id OAA20343 for <[log in to unmask]>; Mon, 8 Jul 1996 14:19:59 -0400 Received: from localhost by bookworm.suffolk.lib.ny.us (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id OAA03650; Mon, 8 Jul 1996 14:09:30 -0400 Date: Mon, 8 Jul 1996 14:09:26 -0400 (EDT) From: Rothenberg <[log in to unmask]> X-Sender: mrothen@bookworm To: [log in to unmask] Subject: NYS HDI Red Guides In-Reply-To: <[log in to unmask]> Message-Id: <Pine.SV4.3.92.960708140449.27074A-100000@bookworm> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII content-length: 259 What is the current status of the Suffolk County (and Nassau County) HDI directories? Will they be printed? When? May they be downloaded from RLIN? How? Thank you in advance. Mark Rothenberg Suffolk Cooperative Library System [log in to unmask] From [log in to unmask] Tue Jul 9 09:18:13 1996 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from MAIL.NYSED.GOV by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA04508; Tue, 9 Jul 1996 09:18:13 -0400 Received: from SEDDOM1-Message_Server by MAIL.NYSED.GOV with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 09 Jul 1996 09:20:52 -0400 Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]> X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Tue, 09 Jul 1996 09:21:09 -0400 From: Julie Daniels <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Home Page for New Publication content-length: 827 Consider the Source: Historical Records in the Classroom may now be previewed on-line at its own home page, (http://www.sara.nysed.gov/services/teachers/ctspromo.htm). Consider the Source is designed to help records repositories provide access to historical records for educators and help educators develop the skills necessary for locating, researching and using historical records in the classroom. The book contains reproductions of historical records and ready-to-use lesson plans and worksheets. The records date from the 1790s to the 1960s. The lesson plans are interdisciplinary and cover every grade level. To order a copy of Consider the Source complete the order form located on the home page (http://www.sara.nysed.gov/services/teachers/ctspromo.htm) or call (518) 473-8037, or E-mail [log in to unmask] From [log in to unmask] Wed Jul 10 13:54:00 1996 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from LuciaDiLammermoor.acsu.buffalo.edu by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA08549; Wed, 10 Jul 1996 13:53:59 -0400 Received: from localhost (uldbev@localhost) by LuciaDiLammermoor.acsu.buffalo.edu (8.7.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA20836 for <[log in to unmask]>; Wed, 10 Jul 1996 13:57:13 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 13:57:13 -0400 (EDT) From: Beverly R Vanderkooy <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Research on Toll Road In-Reply-To: <[log in to unmask]> Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII content-length: 519 I want to find out who was responsible for building a toll road between Morris and New Berlin, Otsego County (now County Rte. 13) -- around 1843. I believe that permission to operate a toll road was given by NYS govt. and therefore should be part of an official record. I will be in the Albany area on Friday. I know I have notes on this somewhere, but I am unable to access some of my electronic files at the moment. Any assistance is greatly appreciated. Beverly Vander Kooy University at Buffalo Libraries From [log in to unmask] Wed Jul 10 16:38:09 1996 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from MAIL.NYSED.GOV by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA09136; Wed, 10 Jul 1996 16:38:08 -0400 Received: from SEDDOM1-Message_Server by MAIL.NYSED.GOV with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 10 Jul 1996 16:41:01 -0400 Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]> X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 16:41:06 -0400 From: James Folts <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Research on Toll Road -Reply content-length: 627 Response to inquiry from Beverly Vanderkooy on toll road, 1843: Turnpike (toll) road companies were incorporated by act of the State Legislature. The acts were published in the annual session laws, which are available in the New York State Library [phone 518-474-5355] and other major research libraries around the state. The published journals of the Senate and Assembly contain votes on bills for incorporation. The petitions for incorporation and any other manuscript documentation of the Legislature's actions regarding a turnpike company were destroyed in the Capitol fire of 1911. Jim Folts New York State Archives From [log in to unmask] Wed Jul 10 17:13:40 1996 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from innovsoftd.innovsoftd.com by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA09296; Wed, 10 Jul 1996 17:13:38 -0400 Received: from wcrosman.InnovSoftD.com (pm-4-141 [207.1.200.141]) by innovsoftd.innovsoftd.com (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id QAA02166 for <[log in to unmask]>; Wed, 10 Jul 1996 16:15:43 -0500 Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]> Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 16:09:51 -0500 From: Tom Crosman <[log in to unmask]> Reply-To: [log in to unmask] X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0b4 (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Ft. George Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit content-length: 544 Toward the end of the Revolutionary War, apprx 1780 a group of CT volunteers under the command of Col Bebe went to Long Island to a place called Fire Inlet and took Fort George along with 52 prisoners. Does anyone know where (long. & lat.) these two places existed? -- ....................................... Tom Crosman [log in to unmask] For history and genealogy of the Cros(s)man surname try http://www.isd.net/wcrosman/ ....................................... From [log in to unmask] Thu Jul 11 13:23:35 1996 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from post3.inre.asu.edu by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA11637; Thu, 11 Jul 1996 13:23:28 -0400 Received: from general2.asu.edu by asu.edu (PMDF V5.0-6 #7723) id <[log in to unmask]> for [log in to unmask]; Thu, 11 Jul 1996 10:26:39 -0700 (MST) Received: from general2.asu.edu (LOCALHOST [127.0.0.1]) by general2.asu.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id KAA20332 for <[log in to unmask]>; Thu, 11 Jul 1996 10:26:37 -0700 Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1996 10:26:37 -0700 (MST) From: TJ Davis <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Revolutionary War Veterans In-Reply-To: <[log in to unmask]> X-Sender: [log in to unmask] To: [log in to unmask] Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT content-length: 332 Please advise me of sources listing revolutionary war veterans from New York or sources from which such a listing could be created. I would be intereted also in such listings or sources from New Jersey and Pennsylvania and in the names and addresses of any researchers working on such lists or in such sources. Cheers, TJD From [log in to unmask] Fri Jul 12 09:23:23 1996 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from MAIL.NYSED.GOV by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA13575; Fri, 12 Jul 1996 09:23:22 -0400 Received: from SEDDOM1-Message_Server by MAIL.NYSED.GOV with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 12 Jul 1996 09:23:41 -0400 Received: from listserv (listserv.iupui.edu [134.68.220.62]) by Nash.iupui.edu (8.7.4/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA02425; Fri, 12 Jul 1996 07:10:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from LISTSERV.IUPUI.EDU by LISTSERV.IUPUI.EDU (LISTSERV-TCP/IP release 1.8b) with spool id 1119362 for [log in to unmask]; Fri, 12 Jul 1996 07:11:07 -0500 Received: from ccmail.itd.nps.gov by bigbird.itd.nps.gov (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA02754; Fri, 12 Jul 96 08:01:34 EDT Received: from ccMail by ccmail.itd.nps.gov (IMA Internet Exchange 2.01 Enterprise) id 1E640A90; Fri, 12 Jul 96 08:10:17 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]> Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 08:10:42 -0400 Reply-To: Public History Discussion List <[log in to unmask]> Sender: Public History Discussion List <[log in to unmask]> From: EDIS Curatorial <[log in to unmask]> Subject: CRM-history of science/technology Comments: To: Ron Greenberg <[log in to unmask]>, Harry Butowsky <[log in to unmask]>, [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask] To: Multiple recipients of list PUBLHIST <[log in to unmask]> content-length: 1578 Forwarded mail received from: SEDWPO:SEDDOM1:SEDDOM1.SMTP:"[log in to unmask]" Date: 07/12/1996 08:10 am (Friday) From: EDIS Curatorial <EDIS_Curatoria To: Multiple recipients of list PUBLHIST <PUBLHIST@LIS Subject: CRM-history of science/technology ANNOUNCEMENT Special Theme Issue of CRM: History of Science and Technology CRM, a National Park Service publication dedicated to cultural resource management issues, will publish a special theme issue on the history of science and technology in the fall of 1997. The editors welcome proposals for articles of any length that examine the challenges and opportunities for studying these subjects through the identification, preservation and interpretation of related cultural resources in the private sector and at all levels of government (local, state, federal). International contributions are also welcome. These articles can range in length and scope from short notices about specific historic site and collections, to longer feature and review essays. The editors also welcome items about exhibits, special events and programs and book reviews related to the issue's themes. Interested contributors should contact the issue's guest editor: Leonard DeGraaf Edison National Historic Site Main Street and Lakeside Avenue West Orange, New Jersey 07052 201-736-0550, ext. 22 [log in to unmask] From [log in to unmask] Sat Jul 13 16:20:54 1996 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from innovsoftd.innovsoftd.com by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA15889; Sat, 13 Jul 1996 16:20:52 -0400 Received: from wcrosman.InnovSoftD.com (pm-2-177 [206.11.32.177]) by innovsoftd.innovsoftd.com (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id PAA06680 for <[log in to unmask]>; Sat, 13 Jul 1996 15:22:46 -0500 Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]> Date: Sat, 13 Jul 1996 15:17:03 -0500 From: Tom Crosman <[log in to unmask]> Reply-To: [log in to unmask] X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0b4 (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: Revolutionary War Veterans References: <[log in to unmask]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit content-length: 495 The National Archives Pension Lists for the Rev War would be one way to gather at least part of this information. A problem might be that many old soldiers from other areas moved to NY and applied for a pension there. -- ....................................... Tom Crosman [log in to unmask] For history and genealogy of the Cros(s)man surname try http://www.isd.net/wcrosman/ ....................................... From [log in to unmask] Mon Jul 15 11:57:54 1996 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from MAIL.NYSED.GOV by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA18413; Mon, 15 Jul 1996 11:57:53 -0400 Received: from SEDDOM1-Message_Server by MAIL.NYSED.GOV with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 15 Jul 1996 12:00:42 -0400 Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]> X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Mon, 15 Jul 1996 12:00:41 -0400 From: Bill Evans <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask] Subject: special event -Forwarded content-length: 2703 Forwarded mail received from: SEDWPO:DOMAIN1:DOMAIN1.SEDCEC:JHOHMANN Date: 07/15/1996 11:39 am (Monday) From: Judy Hohmann To: SARA Subject: special event The New York State Archives and Records Administration cordially invites you to join us in celebrating a publishing event The Artificial River The Erie Canal and the Paradox of Progress by Carol Sheriff Lecture, Reception* and Book-Signing Monday, July 29, 1996 5:30 ~ 7:30 p.m. Museum Theater New York State Museum Madison Avenue Albany, New York Carol Sheriff will discuss the impact of the Erie Canal on the people who lived along the waterway and how it revolutionized their social and cultural life. To research this book, Dr. Sheriff studied records in the State Archives that have previously seen very little use. She will talk about her discovery of those archival records. There will be an opportunity to purchase a copy of The Artificial River, signed by the author. Dr. Sheriff, assistant professor of history at the College of William and Mary, was the recipient of a State Library Research Residency Award in 1991. Craig Williams, curator at the State Museum, will complement Dr. Sheriff*s presentation with slides and artifacts from the State Museum, the State Library, and the State Archives. Please call 473-8037 by July 25 to make your reservation * The reception is sponsored by the Mid-Lakes Navigation Co. of Skaneateles, NY, operator of cruises along the Erie Canal; Hill & Wang, publisher of The Artificial River; and the Canal Society of the State of New York. The Artificial River The Erie Canal and the Paradox of Progress Carol Sheriff published by Hill & Wang, a division of Farrar, Straus and Giroux July 1996 The completion of the Erie Canal in 1825 brought fresh oysters and con men to Batavia and Buffalo, and opened up the entire Western United States to commerce and development. In The Artificial River, the young historian Carol Sheriff shows how ordinary men and women who lived along the 363 miles of the canal reacted to the revolution that it created in their lives, and suggests the extraordinary range of human responses to the *progress* it represented. On the basis of unprecedented archival research, she is able to throw light on one of the most important transformations in the early life of our Republic. As she demonstrates so vividly, the citizens of the Erie region had suddenly to adjust to new geographic mobility, rapid environmental change, government intervention in local business, market expansion, the reorganization of work, and moral reform -- all issues that have been replicated throughout American history. From [log in to unmask] Tue Jul 16 07:55:42 1996 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from mailout1.h1.usa.pipeline.com (data1.h1.usa.pipeline.com) by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA20418; Tue, 16 Jul 1996 07:55:41 -0400 Received: from pipe3.t1.usa.pipeline.com by mailout1.h1.usa.pipeline.com (8.6.9/2.1-PSINet/Pipeline) id LAA27891; Tue, 16 Jul 1996 11:59:01 GMT Received: by pipe3.t1.usa.pipeline.com (8.6.12/SMI-5.4-PSI) id LAA15868; Tue, 16 Jul 1996 11:59:00 GMT Date: Tue, 16 Jul 1996 11:59:00 GMT Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Museum in Danger, Help! From: [log in to unmask] (Bruno Gerrard) X-Pipeuser: sprc X-Pipehub: nyc.pipeline.com X-Pipegcos: (Bruno Gerrard) X-Mailer: The Pipeline v3.4.0 content-length: 1423 The Harbor Defense Museum is in danger of being closed. It is located in historic Fort Hamilton (built 1825-1831) in Brooklyn, New York. There are 46 such musuems in the United States but this is the only one in New York City. The museum is housed in the fort's flank battery and holds a treasure of artifacts, books, maps and photographs. Military downsizing has caused the museum's staff to drop from 4 to 1 and soon none! This museum is a unique resource to school children and residents of our state. This is not a tourist attraction...this is a resource of our state. The issue has been confused, maybe on purpose, by talking about having volunteers run the museum. Although volunteers are very active in the museum's operation, the entire collection would be removed (by the Army's Center of Military History) if there wasn't a professional staff member. Another museum "saving" suggestion is to turn it into an art gallery...again, the collection would be lost forever. The museum needs your help now. The smallest step would be to e-mail a brief letter of support to: Senator Al D'Amato at [log in to unmask] President Clinton at [log in to unmask] Vice-President Gore at [log in to unmask] To take a bigger step or for more information contact Vincent Katinas or Phillip Melfi at (718) 238-9266. Thanks...Tony Giordano at the Sunset Park Historical Society From [log in to unmask] Tue Jul 16 15:33:22 1996 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from emout17.mail.aol.com (emout17.mx.aol.com) by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA21600; Tue, 16 Jul 1996 15:33:20 -0400 Received: by emout17.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id PAA15885 for [log in to unmask]; Tue, 16 Jul 1996 15:37:58 -0400 Date: Tue, 16 Jul 1996 15:37:58 -0400 From: [log in to unmask] Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: Museum in Danger, Help! content-length: 362 Message to DiAmato came back "undeliverable"!!! Was wrong address given for him? e-mailed the others o.k. How about getting the Brooklyn Borough President involved. What else can we do? I lived at the foot of Fort Hamilton (Battery Avenue) for 20 years..hate to see it lost. Have you tried getting intouch with some Brooklyn organizations? Regards, Joan Lyons From [log in to unmask] Wed Jul 17 14:14:41 1996 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from MAIL.NYSED.GOV by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA23449; Wed, 17 Jul 1996 14:14:40 -0400 Received: from SEDDOM1-Message_Server by MAIL.NYSED.GOV with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 17 Jul 1996 14:18:10 -0400 Received: from listserv (listserv.iupui.edu [134.68.220.62]) by Nash.iupui.edu (8.7.4/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA28772; Thu, 11 Jul 1996 10:31:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from LISTSERV.IUPUI.EDU by LISTSERV.IUPUI.EDU (LISTSERV-TCP/IP release 1.8b) with spool id 1048466 for [log in to unmask]; Thu, 11 Jul 1996 10:32:11 -0500 Received: from [198.110.128.63] (pier14.portup.com [198.110.128.63]) by portage1.portup.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id LAA03328 for <[log in to unmask]>; Thu, 11 Jul 1996 11:33:44 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: <v02140b0cae0acf840586@[198.110.128.63]> Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1996 11:36:16 -0400 Reply-To: Public History Discussion List <[log in to unmask]> Sender: Public History Discussion List <[log in to unmask]> From: David Harmon <[log in to unmask]> Subject: CFP: 9th Conference on Park Research & Management To: Multiple recipients of list PUBLHIST <[log in to unmask]> content-length: 1963 Forwarded mail received from: SEDWPO:SEDDOM1:SEDDOM1.SMTP:"[log in to unmask]" NOT EXACTLY NY BUT PERHAPS OF INTEREST TO SOME Date: 07/11/1996 11:36 am (Thursday) From: David Harmon <[log in to unmask] To: Multiple recipients of list PUBLHIST <PUBLHIST@LIS Subject: CFP: 9th Conference on Park Research & Management CALL FOR PAPERS "Making Protection Work: Parks & Reserves in a Crowded, Changing World" is the theme of the 9th Conference on Research & Resource Management in Parks and on Public Lands, scheduled for March 17-21, 1997, in Albuquerque, New Mexico, USA. Organized by The George Wright Society, this is the USA's premier interdisciplinary conference on parks and protected areas (including historic sites), and typically draws between 400 and 500 professionals from around the country and elsewhere. All disciplines related to cultural and natural resources, from archaeology to zoology, are represented at the conference. Four plenary, 1 poster, and 40 concurrent sessions are planned, along with mid-week field trips and other special events. Abstracts are welcomed on any topic related to research, resource management, and interpretation in parks and protected areas, from any field in cultural and natural resources. The DEADLINE FOR ABSTRACTS is 1 October 1996. Complete information on the conference's format, theme, and specific abstract requirements is available through the conference Web site: http://www.portup.com/~gws/gws97.html; via e-mail by sending a message to [log in to unmask]; or by writing to The George Wright Society, P.O. Box 65, Hancock, Michigan 49930-0065 USA. ------------------------------- The George Wright Society * P.O. Box 65 Hancock, Michigan 49930-0065 USA * telephone (906) 487-9722 fax (906) 487-9405 * e-mail: [log in to unmask] Web site: http://www.portup.com/~gws/home.html *A nonprofit association of park & protected area professionals* From [log in to unmask] Wed Jul 17 14:16:04 1996 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from MAIL.NYSED.GOV by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA23466; Wed, 17 Jul 1996 14:16:03 -0400 Received: from SEDDOM1-Message_Server by MAIL.NYSED.GOV with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 17 Jul 1996 14:19:33 -0400 Received: from listserv (listserv.iupui.edu [134.68.220.62]) by Nash.iupui.edu (8.7.4/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA09799; Thu, 11 Jul 1996 17:26:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from LISTSERV.IUPUI.EDU by LISTSERV.IUPUI.EDU (LISTSERV-TCP/IP release 1.8b) with spool id 1090821 for [log in to unmask]; Thu, 11 Jul 1996 17:27:11 -0500 Received: from HUSC15.HARVARD.EDU by iris (1.37.109.16/10.0.1-jah) id AA010614052; Thu, 11 Jul 1996 17:27:32 -0500 Received: from HUSC3.HARVARD.EDU by HUSC3.HARVARD.EDU (PMDF V5.0-5 #10551) id <[log in to unmask]> for [log in to unmask]; Thu, 11 Jul 1996 18:28:39 -0400 (EDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]> Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1996 18:28:39 -0400 Reply-To: Public History Discussion List <[log in to unmask]> Sender: Public History Discussion List <[log in to unmask]> From: John Hurley <[log in to unmask]> Subject: CFP:Oral Hist Assn Comments: To: [log in to unmask] To: Multiple recipients of list PUBLHIST <[log in to unmask]> content-length: 2626 Forwarded mail received from: SEDWPO:SEDDOM1:SEDDOM1.SMTP:"[log in to unmask]" ANOTHER Date: 07/11/1996 06:28 pm (Thursday) From: John Hurley <[log in to unmask] To: Multiple recipients of list PUBLHIST <PUBLHIST@LIS Subject: CFP:Oral Hist Assn ---------- Forwarded message ---------- ******** Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 10:05:16 -0400 From: STEVEN J NOVAK <[log in to unmask]> To: Multiple recipients of list OHA-L <[log in to unmask]> The Oral History Association invites proposals for papers and presentations for its 1997 annual meeting to be held September 25-28, 1997, in New Orleans, Louisiana. The theme of the meeting is "Looking In, Looking Out: Retelling the Past, Envisioning the Future." The past one hundred years have been marked by global transformations affecting every aspect of life. Personal experience has been shaped and reshaped through participation in the often threatening but also often desired changes moving around the world. This conference provides an opportunity to share research on accounts of personal experience in this century and to test arguments about how the stories people tell about their history relate to the strategies different communities and social institutions have developed to recreate the future. The program committee especially encourages proposals that examine relationships between science, religion, personal values, and debates over public policy, but all subjects are welcome. We invite proposals that demonstrate how the use of oral sources has led creative reexamination of any aspect of modern history. Proposals may be either individual papers or group sessions. Proposals should include a title and one-page description of the issues and questions papers will address and the names, affiliation, short vitae, mailing address, and phone number of each presenter, including convenor and suggested commentator. Deadline for proposals is December 10, 1996. OHA policy prevents those who will present papers at the 1996 annual meeting from doing so in 1997. For futher information and to submit proposals, contact either/or: Alphine W. Jefferson Department of History College of Wooster Wooster, OH 44691 phone: (330) 263-2452 fax: (330) 263-2614 e-mail: [log in to unmask] Steven J. Novak UCLA Oral History Program UCLA 157511 Los Angeles, CA 90095 phone: (310) 825-7524 fax: (310) 206-2796 e-mail: [log in to unmask] Please pass this message along to other lists to which you are subscribed. Thanks! From [log in to unmask] Wed Jul 17 19:26:12 1996 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from dub-img-1.compuserve.com by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA24143; Wed, 17 Jul 1996 19:26:11 -0400 Received: by dub-img-1.compuserve.com (8.6.10/5.950515) id TAA00821; Wed, 17 Jul 1996 19:29:28 -0400 Date: 17 Jul 96 19:28:33 EDT From: "Daniel M. Dumych" <[log in to unmask]> To: NY History List <[log in to unmask]> Cc: Heidi Bamford <[log in to unmask]>, Louise DeFelice <[log in to unmask]>, Bill Hesson <[log in to unmask]>, Robert McMann <[log in to unmask]>, Shirley Monaco <[log in to unmask]>, Morris Pierce <[log in to unmask]>, Andrew Porteus <[log in to unmask]>, Inge Saczkowski <[log in to unmask]>, Carl Slenk <[log in to unmask]>, Joe Umhauer <[log in to unmask]>, Phil Viverito <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Book signing - Images of America: Niagara Falls Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]> content-length: 449 RECEPTION AND BOOK SIGNING The Board of Directors of the Friends of the Niagara Falls Public Library invite you to a reception and book signing marking the release of "Images of America: Niagara Falls," by library local history specialist Daniel M. Dumych. Monday, July 29nd, 1996 7:00 pm Niagara Falls Public Library, 1425 Main Street Niagara Falls, N.Y. Piano music will be provided by Michael Johnson. Refreshments will be served. From [log in to unmask] Thu Jul 18 15:24:06 1996 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from unix5.nysed.gov by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA25837; Thu, 18 Jul 1996 15:24:05 -0400 Received: from museum.nysed.gov (dos90.nysed.gov) by unix5.nysed.gov (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA03472; Thu, 18 Jul 96 15:36:00 EDT Received: from MUSEUM/SpoolDir by museum.nysed.gov (Mercury 1.21); 18 Jul 96 15:29:04 EDT Received: from SpoolDir by MUSEUM (Mercury 1.21); 18 Jul 96 15:28:54 EDT From: "Joseph F. Meany" <[log in to unmask]> Organization: NYS Museum To: [log in to unmask] Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 15:28:47 EDT Subject: Fire Island Inlet Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail v3.30 Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]> content-length: 695 In response to the inquiry about Fire Island Inlet - Fire Island is a barrier island running along the south shore of Long Island. Between Fire Island and Long Island proper is the Great south Bay. Fire Island Inlet, lying at the western end of Fire Island is a water passage connecting the Great South Bay to the Atlantic Ocean. Sailing through Fire Island Inlet can be tricky especially with an onshore wind or if there is fog and/or a surf running. There comes a point when a sailing vessel will not be able to claw off the lee shore so the inlet better be where you think it is. It must have been quite exciting in the eighteenth century with no radar. From [log in to unmask] Thu Jul 18 14:44:27 1996 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from matrix.newpaltz.edu by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA25800; Thu, 18 Jul 1996 14:44:26 -0400 Received: (from larsonn@localhost) by matrix.newpaltz.edu (8.6.11/8.6.9) id OAA01174 for [log in to unmask]; Thu, 18 Jul 1996 14:48:11 -0400 From: Neil Larson <[log in to unmask]> Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]> Subject: help wanted! To: [log in to unmask] (nyhist) Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 14:48:10 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text content-length: 899 WANTED Interns, project and independent stury candidates, volunteers,thrill-seekers The Hudson Valley Study Center at the State University of New York at New Paltz is looking for help in developing directories, catalogs and data bases for archival and field data to facilitate research about the region's heritage. If you are interested in pursuing interests in cultural geography, natural history, archeology, art and architecture, history (any discipline, really) or honing your skills in data base programming, geographic information systems, world wide web applications, archival management, or virtual reality please contact the center at [log in to unmask] or phone 914-257-2966. Also see our wep page at http://www.newpaltz.edu/hvsc. We are interested in exploring any and all opportunities. Come work with the Hudson Valley's exciting new organization. Neil Larson, Executive Director From [log in to unmask] Thu Jul 18 17:04:12 1996 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from innovsoftd.innovsoftd.com by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA26219; Thu, 18 Jul 1996 17:04:11 -0400 Received: from wcrosman.InnovSoftD.com (pm-3-194 [207.1.200.194]) by innovsoftd.innovsoftd.com (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id QAA12210 for <[log in to unmask]>; Thu, 18 Jul 1996 16:06:27 -0500 Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]> Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 15:59:27 -0500 From: Tom Crosman <[log in to unmask]> Reply-To: [log in to unmask] X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0b4 (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: Fire Island Inlet References: <[log in to unmask]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit content-length: 547 Joseph, Thanks for the info. The inlet to which I referred apparently was more commonly called, at the time (1800's), 'Old Inlet'. It was very near Fort St. George on Long Island. It seems that it closed in during the 19th century and no longer exists. Thanks again. -- ....................................... Tom Crosman [log in to unmask] For history and genealogy of the Cros(s)man surname try http://www.isd.net/wcrosman/ ....................................... From [log in to unmask] Fri Jul 19 17:12:44 1996 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from mailhost.worldnet.att.net by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA28000; Fri, 19 Jul 1996 17:12:31 -0400 Received: by mailhost.worldnet.att.net (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id VAA29171; Fri, 19 Jul 1996 21:15:54 GMT Date: Fri, 19 Jul 1996 21:15:54 GMT Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from 151.new-york-4.ny.dial-access.att.net(199.70.7.151) by mailhost.worldnet.att.net with SMTP id A28791; Fri Jul 19 21:15:28 1996 X-Sender: [log in to unmask] X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: [log in to unmask] From: Christopher Ricciardi <[log in to unmask]> Subject: a question about NYC Parks content-length: 246 Hi, Does anyone know of a good starting point looking for information on Alely Pond Park in Queens, New York? In general, is there a book that details the history of NYC Parks? Thanks for any help that can be offered. Chris. From [log in to unmask] Fri Jul 19 19:22:53 1996 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from mail.cdsnet.net by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA28104; Fri, 19 Jul 1996 19:22:51 -0400 Received: from gp-pm1-014.cdsnet.net (gp-pm1-014.cdsnet.net [204.118.246.44]) by mail.cdsnet.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id QAA25212 for <[log in to unmask]>; Fri, 19 Jul 1996 16:26:14 -0700 Date: Fri, 19 Jul 1996 16:26:14 -0700 Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]> X-Sender: [log in to unmask] X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: [log in to unmask] From: [log in to unmask] (Evelyn C. Robinson) Subject: Descendancy Chart content-length: 488 Don't like sending this Thank You to the list but my mail to [log in to unmask] keeps bouncing -- so-- Hi Kirk, Thanks so much for the HOWE descendancy chart. Looks like these people were the first Howe's to USA. My Arthur Henry Howe came to USA from England ca 1850 or so. I have records on him from 1859 to 1910 but I'm stuck on uncovering his background in England. I'm hoping to make a connection to them all, in time. Send me your e-mail address again. Evelyn -- [log in to unmask] From [log in to unmask] Tue Jul 23 16:40:19 1996 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from innovsoftd.innovsoftd.com by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA03756; Tue, 23 Jul 1996 16:40:17 -0400 Received: from wcrosman.InnovSoftD.com (pm-3-193 [207.1.200.193]) by innovsoftd.innovsoftd.com (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id PAA28147 for <[log in to unmask]>; Tue, 23 Jul 1996 15:48:45 -0500 Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]> Date: Tue, 23 Jul 1996 15:35:34 -0500 From: Tom Crosman <[log in to unmask]> Reply-To: [log in to unmask] X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0b4 (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Revolutionary War -- Capt. Christopher Darrow -- White Plains Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit content-length: 1014 First: Thanks for all the great replies I received concerning the taking of Fort St. George on Long Island in 1780. Next: Shortly after G. Washington and his troops retreated from New York/Brooklyn and while they were at White Plains a Capt. Christopher Darrow gathered volunteers to watch the British movements. They made excursions up Westchester Creek, Eastchester, New Rochelle, and Rye. There were probably others. One of the excursions, I believe at New Rochelle, resulted in a severe battle and the taking of a store of approx. 100 casks of liquor. Can anyone tell me: Are there any publications about these events. If so, where and what? Any and all information, summaries, etc. would be appreciated. Thanks in advance! -- ....................................... Tom Crosman [log in to unmask] For history and genealogy of the Cros(s)man surname try http://www.isd.net/wcrosman/ ....................................... From [log in to unmask] Tue Jul 23 22:08:36 1996 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from emout19.mail.aol.com (emout19.mx.aol.com) by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA04187; Tue, 23 Jul 1996 22:08:35 -0400 Received: by emout19.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id WAA04782 for [log in to unmask]; Tue, 23 Jul 1996 22:14:20 -0400 Date: Tue, 23 Jul 1996 22:14:20 -0400 From: [log in to unmask] Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: a question about NYC Parks content-length: 392 The bibliography in the Encyclopedia of New York City (Yale, 1995) entry on parks refers to: A Timeline Of New York City Park History (New York Dept. of Parks and Recreation, 1988). David Minor ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ For a free subscription to Odds & Ends a monthly online world history newsletter e-mail me at either: david [log in to unmask] or: [log in to unmask] David From [log in to unmask] Wed Jul 24 01:54:59 1996 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from emout17.mail.aol.com (emout17.mx.aol.com) by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA04634; Wed, 24 Jul 1996 01:54:58 -0400 Received: by emout17.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id BAA22694 for [log in to unmask]; Wed, 24 Jul 1996 01:59:58 -0400 Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 01:59:58 -0400 From: [log in to unmask] Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Greene County content-length: 559 I am trying to find you as much as I can about the history of Greene Co., New York. Can anyone suggest a book or any other resource that would give me an idea of what it was like living there about the years 1790 to 1850? I am also researching the history of Livingston Co., New York (mostly the towns of Avon and Caladonia). Any information would be helpful. I find that little bits of information can lead to big discoveries. Thank you. Matt Carman Researching: CARMAN, LEETE, GOULD, LACY, SACKETT, ADIX, DOAN families. Email: [log in to unmask] From [log in to unmask] Wed Jul 24 23:10:38 1996 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from emout19.mail.aol.com (emout19.mx.aol.com) by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA06506; Wed, 24 Jul 1996 23:10:37 -0400 Received: by emout19.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id XAA27412 for [log in to unmask]; Wed, 24 Jul 1996 23:16:28 -0400 Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 23:16:28 -0400 From: [log in to unmask] Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: Greene County content-length: 401 You might want to start with the 1861 Gazeteer of the State of New York (there's a paperback reprint of it out, but I don't know the year; I only have the original). Most large bookstores should have it. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ For a free subscription to Odds & Ends a monthly online world history newsletter e-mail me at either: david [log in to unmask] or: [log in to unmask] David From [log in to unmask] Fri Jul 26 08:29:41 1996 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from MAIL.NYSED.GOV by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA08806; Fri, 26 Jul 1996 08:29:40 -0400 Received: from SEDDOM1-Message_Server by MAIL.NYSED.GOV with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 26 Jul 1996 08:32:36 -0400 Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]> X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Fri, 26 Jul 1996 08:31:11 -0400 From: Julie Daniels <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Greene County -Reply content-length: 596 Ray Beecher is the Greene County Historian. He is a wonderful resource. There is also a History of Greene County that was first published in the 1880s that has been reprinted. Another history of the County was published two or three years ago and authored by Field Horne. Ray Beecher can be reached at (518) 731-6822, Beecher Road, Coxsackie, NY 12051. He is very active at the Greene County Historical Society which may be a possible source for the two publications. Most bookstores can also order them for you. Julie Daniels (Greene County resident) NYS Archives [log in to unmask] From [log in to unmask] Fri Jul 26 16:44:34 1996 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from virginia.edu (mars.itc.Virginia.EDU) by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA09421; Fri, 26 Jul 1996 16:44:26 -0400 Received: from pluto.clinch.edu by mail.virginia.edu id aa28292; 26 Jul 96 16:46 EDT Received: (from tmc5a@localhost) by pluto.Clinch.EDU (8.6.9/8.6.6) id QAA56286; Fri, 26 Jul 1996 16:46:56 -0400 From: "Thomas M. Costa" <[log in to unmask]> Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Query: Lambert Brothers (NY) To: H-Local History List <[log in to unmask]> Date: Fri, 26 Jul 96 16:46:55 EDT Cc: [log in to unmask] X-Mailer: PENELM [version 2.3.1 PL11] content-length: 1041 From: "Robert J. Goodman" <[log in to unmask]> Organization: Minnesota Extension Service Date: Fri, 26 Jul 1996 14:48:14 CST6CDT Subject: Query: Lambert Brothers (NY) X-Posted to H-Local, NYHIST-L I'm looking at Gustavus Meyers' History of Tammany Hall for the period 1825-1828, where he mentions "one of the most extended and sensational trials which the city (New York) had known." This is the trial of Jacob Barker et al for frauds. Towards the end of his account, he says "The severity of the law fell on the minor offenders, two of whom, Mowatt and Hyatt, went to prison for two years, and the Lambert brothers for one year." I need to know the first names of the Lambert brothers. I've consulted a printed account of one of the Barker trials, and the newspaper reports of another, and found no mention of any Lamberts. Is there a quick and dirty method of getting the names of the Lamberts sent up the river from 1826 to, say, 1829? Any suggestions much appreciated. Bob Goodman Joseph R Brown Heritage Society Henderson MN From [log in to unmask] Sat Jul 27 14:28:47 1996 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from genesis.dcaccess.com ([165.247.76.2]) by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA10494; Sat, 27 Jul 1996 14:28:46 -0400 Received: from line3.dcaccess.com (line3.dcaccess.com [165.247.76.13]) by genesis.dcaccess.com (8.7/8.6.9) with SMTP id LAA24336; Sat, 27 Jul 1996 11:40:46 -0700 Date: Sat, 27 Jul 1996 11:40:46 -0700 Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]> X-Sender: [log in to unmask] X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask] From: [log in to unmask] (Vivian Karen Bush) Subject: Smith & Demis' Shipyard in NYC content-length: 335 Elam Luddington worked as an apprentice at Smith & Demis Shipyard in 1825 and describes his work on a large brig of 64 guns which took a year to build. Is there a book that would have more information about the Shipyard and building of ships? Karen Bush Karen Bush PO Box 1393 Page, AZ 86040 [log in to unmask] [log in to unmask] From [log in to unmask] Sat Jul 27 14:28:36 1996 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from genesis.dcaccess.com ([165.247.76.2]) by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA10477; Sat, 27 Jul 1996 14:28:34 -0400 Received: from line3.dcaccess.com (line3.dcaccess.com [165.247.76.13]) by genesis.dcaccess.com (8.7/8.6.9) with SMTP id LAA24334; Sat, 27 Jul 1996 11:40:38 -0700 Date: Sat, 27 Jul 1996 11:40:38 -0700 Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]> X-Sender: [log in to unmask] X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask] From: [log in to unmask] (Vivian Karen Bush) Subject: NYC Church location?? content-length: 389 My husband's gg gf, Elam LUDDINTON mentions joining a church in New York City and I am interested if it is still standing or how I might find out what denomination it was. "The church edifice was located on the corner of Byrom and Norfolk Streets, City of New York, Simeon Clow, Pastor." Any ideas?? Karen. Karen Bush PO Box 1393 Page, AZ 86040 [log in to unmask] [log in to unmask] From [log in to unmask] Mon Jul 29 09:40:02 1996 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from emout16.mail.aol.com (emout16.mx.aol.com) by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA12816; Mon, 29 Jul 1996 09:40:01 -0400 Received: by emout16.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id JAA17423 for [log in to unmask]; Mon, 29 Jul 1996 09:46:09 -0400 Date: Mon, 29 Jul 1996 09:46:09 -0400 From: [log in to unmask] Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: Smith & Demis' Shipyard in NYC content-length: 589 The NYC shipbuilding firm of Smith & Dimon constructed the 44 gun frigate Liberator on contract for the Greek navy in 1825. This vessel was actually pierced for 66 guns and was similar to the earlier 64 gun designs. When the Greek government failed to take delivery Liberator was sold to the US Navy and commissioned as the Hudson. Hudson made one cruise to the Brazilian Station and was layed up. By 1844 she was rotten and ordered broken up at NYC. A plan of the Hudson (ex- Liberator) appears in The American Sailing Navy by Howard Chapelle, W.W. Norton, NYC, 1949 following page 361. 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From [log in to unmask] Wed Jul 31 01:16:10 1996 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from emout08.mail.aol.com (emout08.mx.aol.com) by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA15911; Wed, 31 Jul 1996 01:16:09 -0400 Received: by emout08.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id BAA08419 for [log in to unmask]; Wed, 31 Jul 1996 01:21:32 -0400 Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 01:21:32 -0400 From: [log in to unmask] Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: Greene County content-length: 629 Thank you for all the information everyone sent to me about Green County. I am also researching a few generations back to Peekskill, NY from 1746 to 1810. My great great great great grandfather Peter Carman lived in Peekskill and died near Poughkeepsie, Dutchess Co., and is buried in Pleasant Valley. He lived for some time in the Yorktown area and was in the Revolutionalry War. If you know of any books about the history of these areas or know any historians in these areas I could contact , please forward to me. Thanks, Matt Carman [log in to unmask] RESARCHING: CARMAN, ADIX, LACY, GOULD, SACKETT, DOAN, HATCH, JAMES From [log in to unmask] Tue Jul 30 14:11:22 1996 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from bingsun1.cc.binghamton.edu by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA14976; Tue, 30 Jul 1996 14:11:21 -0400 Received: from localhost (fnewman@localhost) by bingsun1.cc.binghamton.edu (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA25339; Tue, 30 Jul 1996 14:15:30 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 14:15:28 -0400 (EDT) From: Frank Newman <[log in to unmask]> X-Sender: fnewman@bingsun1 To: [log in to unmask] Cc: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: NYC Church location?? In-Reply-To: <[log in to unmask]> Message-Id: <Pine.SOL.L3.93.960730134748.24848A-100000@bingsun1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII content-length: 1229 On Sat, 27 Jul 1996, Vivian Karen Bush wrote: > My husband's gg gf, Elam LUDDINTON mentions joining a church in New York > City and I am interested if it is still standing or how I might find out > what denomination it was. > > "The church edifice was located on the corner of Byrom and Norfolk Streets, > City of New York, Simeon Clow, Pastor." > > Any ideas?? Karen: There are listings for 2 churches and a synagogue on Norfolk St. in "Guide to Vital Statistics in the City of New York, Borough of Manhattan: Churches" (Historical Records Survey, Work Projects Administration, New York, 1942) This was a WPA project that was meant to create a complete list of all the churches that functioned in NY from the 17th century to the present. The street index to the volume turned up the following on Norfolk St: Asbury Methodist, 1842-1861, located on Norfolk St. near Stanton St. Norfolk St. Baptist, 1841-? There is no address listed, but it seems to have moved at some point to 490 Riverside Drive and been renamed Riverside Church. Baptism, member, and death lists 1841-? Sheveth Ashim Anshei Slonim, 172 Norfolk St., 1888-? The street index does not mention Byrom St. I hope that this is of some use. Frank Newman