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Walk-in Registrations welcome!
Conference on New York State History
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The 1996 conference at SUNY New Paltz features eleven
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Friday, June 7:
Survivors: Women in the 18th Century
Cultures of Depression-Era Ideologies
Economics of Community Founding
Identity and Work: New York Labor Activists
Advancing State Control over Local Schooling
Political Unrest in 19th Century New York City
Doctrines & Deviants: Church Discipline in NYS
Alexander C. Flick Lecture in New York State History
The Piano Makers: Labor Relations at Steinway & Sons
Richard K. Lieberman, La Guardia and Wagner Archives, CUNY
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Settlement of the Hudson Valley and the Catskills
Men's Work in Imperial New York
The Founding Fathers at Odds
Memorializing and Demonizing (monuments and revisionism)
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A patron in the FHC today had a 1930 Michigan obituary which gave a birth
place as Alkato County, New York (1842). I suspect that Alkato is really a
town or village but cannot find it in my gazetteer and home. Has anyone
heard of it?
Karen Bush
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Hi. I'm a reporter for The Associated Press in New York City. I am
writing a story about the Battle of Brooklyn (1776), focusing on the
question of why it virtually disappeared from popular histories of the
American Revolution and our collective lore about colonial times, as well
as how history gets written -- why some things are left out and other
things
are emphasized. I'd be interested in hearing from anyone with theories on
this...
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I think it is because "history" is bifurcated. On the one hand you have
professional historians who rarely survey new primary materials because
they are too busy putting new "spins" or "twists" or interpretations on
well known events. On the other hand there are many people deeply
involved in little used primary sources but who do not know about
historiographical issues. These tend to be family and military historians,
county historians etc. They often know a great deal about particular places,
persons, and events, but can't/don't link them to larger issues. Professional
historians ignore them because these nitty gritty historians are not published
in the normal channels and don't usually have fancy degrees. Also, professional
historians tend to be rather pressed for time and don't give the county
historians + c. enough credit. Professional historians usually need
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detail before the meaning/importance sinks in. Few even try to bridge this
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I feel the need to express my disagreement with Robert E. Wright's
characterization of people he calls "professional historians," who, he
avers, rarely conduct research in primary materials and rarely examine
micro-events. Let's take a look at the books sitting on my desk right
now. I see excellent books written by professional, academic historians,
all manifesting the highest order of scrupulous research in primary
materials: Cronon, Changes in the Land; Boyer and Nissenbaum, Salem
Possessed; Lears, Fables of Abundance; Crosby, Ecological Imperialism;
Runte, National Parks. That's just a sample. As you can see, the books
closest to hand are mostly in environmental history, but I am quite
certain that one could very quickly adduce a similar list for any other
field. Some of the most interesting work in the last decade or so, largely
inspired by New England town studies, has involved meticulous examination
of local records, just the sort of materials Robert Wright says have
remained the province of county historians. I don't know why the Battle
of Brooklyn has been underplayed in the historical literature, but I don't
think it helps to generalize about professional historians in the way that
Robert Wright has.
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Could someone please tell me who I would contact to get some pamplets, info.
, etc... on the CHRYSLER Farm battle in N.Y. ???? I have tried several
phone numbers of parks dept. etc.. but noone has ever heard of the place,
Thanks,
Vicki
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Vicki - Chrysler Farm is in Canada. Maybe we can elicit a
response from one of our Canadians or Dennis Lewis as to the
details.
Bill Evans
(Has to do with New York's "war" ;))
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Vicki, You might try contacting the following. The Canadian's also tend to
spell it Crysler rather then Chrysler.
Upper Canada Village
R.R. No. 1
Morrisburg, Ontario, Canada K0C 1X0
The Battle of Crysler's Farm Memorial is located at Upper Canada Village. The
original site was flooded in the 1950's by the Saint Lawrence Seaway Project.
For a good account of the Battle of Crysler's Farm I would suggest "The War
of 1812: Land Operations" , George F.G. Stanley, Macmillan of Canada, 1983,
ISBN 0-7715-9859-9. At one time the St. Lawrence Parks Commission, the
operators of Upper Canada Village, also had a small booklet entitled "The Day
of Crysler's Farm: November 11, 1813" by Ronald L. Way. Their office address
is:
The St. Lawrence Parks Commission
Morrisburg, Ontario, Canada
You might also try the Canadian War Museum in Ottawa. They may have Stanley's
book in their gift shop.
A note regarding the veterans of Crysler's Farm. In 1847 the British
government established the Military General Service Medal and presented it to
the surviving veterans of the War of 1812 battles in Canada. A total of 911
were issued, 148 for Crysler's Farm, with several others having the
Chrysler's Farm Bar added to their medal ribbon which they had received for
service at other locations.
Hope this is of some help. Dennis Lewis
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To: Beth Harpaz
It's just an overall impression, but I suspect that the Battle of
Brooklyn is "neglected", as it's a big one that the U.S. lost. We'd much
rather celebrate a major (or even minor) victory, than a defeat (much less
a major one). Had the British won the war, it would undoubtedly have been
commemorated as a major victory that helped crush a colonial rebellion.
The battle is a wonderful illustration of a successful flanking
action, masked by feints in the center and opposite flank, almost a mirror
image of Brandywine (in reverse and with a river barrier), a year later.
There's a lot of material out there on the battle, in various
libraries, archives, and private collections on the subject. Why the
neglect? Perhaps, in part for the same reason that the Bicentennial of
the Revolution wasn't a greater success than it was: lack of popular
interest.
Perhaps acessibility of materials plays a role, and professional
rivalries and jealousies among and between the historically-minded may
also play a role, as might the desire to conceal facts or to preserve them
as transmitted habitually. Intentionality is another question entirely.
All of these are just guesses. But, they may contain a germ of
truth.
Mark Rothenberg
Suffolk Cooperative Library System
On Thu, 6 Jun 1996, Beth Harpaz wrote:
> Hi. I'm a reporter for The Associated Press in New York City. I am
> writing a story about the Battle of Brooklyn (1776), focusing on the
> question of why it virtually disappeared from popular histories of the
> American Revolution and our collective lore about colonial times, as well
> as how history gets written -- why some things are left out and other
> things
> are emphasized. I'd be interested in hearing from anyone with theories on
> this...
>
>
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Having spent the better part of 3 decades dealing with historians,
students, genealogists and numerous other categories of researchers
using sources and reading a good deal of history as well, it appears
to me that both Mr. Wright and Mr. Terrie (perhaps our finest
historian of the Adirondacks) have good points. I think that most
archivists and historians have assisted amateur and professional
historians who have slapped together something from others' research
with only a cursory look at sources and we have also seen people from
the same two categories who have spent days, weeks or months poring
over manuscripts, maps, old pamphlets and many other sources and who
then write superb local history or national history as the case may
be. It is not the category of historian, but the individual that
counts here.
Besides, everyone knows that the really important Battle of Brooklyn
didn't occur in 1776. It happened over and over again in the Forties and
Fifties as the Dodgers battled the Giants and Yankees in Ebbets Field
and, unfortunately, for this fan, usually lost!
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Beth Harpaz asked fr theories on why the Battle of Brooklyn is so little
remembered.
1. Aside from the fact that it was a defeat, it also lacks other redeeming
virtues, such as snappy quotes ("Don't fire until you see the whites of their
eyes!"), dramatic visual images (Washington crossing the Delaware), or
comfortable stereotypes (Bunker Hill symbolized tradition-bound redcoats vs
pragmatic patriots; at Brooklyn, Howe wisely refrained from a frontal
assualt).
2. It was a battle of maneuver, which is always harder to visualize and
explain than a frontal assault (Bunker Hill) or encirclement (Yorktown).
3. I think a lot of popular awareness comes from what is taught in school
history. The battle did get covered in many 19th century textbooks--I think
it just got crowded out for the reasons above. There's more history every
year, and something has to go.
On the subject of what gets into school texts, you might want to consult
Frances Fitzgerald, AMERICA REVISED. There's also a book A CONSPIRACY OF
GOOD INTENTIONS by Harriet Tyson (if I remember correctly). Among other
things, it has a fascinating anecdote on how an obscure Revolutionary War
battle in North Carolina DID make it into many textbooks.
Larry Lashway
Olympia WA
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Neither Spafford's 1824 Gazetteer nor French's 1860 Gazetteer (for which my index
includes an "old place names" section) list anything similar. I suspect a Linotype
operator may have typoed Albany. 1) The number of letters is the same. 2) I do not know
the Linotype keyboard but in the traditional California type case layout, after which
the Linotype keyboard is patterned, "t" is under "n" and "o" is next to "y". ("k" is not
near "b" however.)
There are many other local place names in New York that are possible typographical
errors. There's always handwriting to consider.
Does the obit offer any other clues?
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Vivian Karen Bush wrote:
>
> A patron in the FHC today had a 1930 Michigan obituary which gave a birth
> place as Alkato County, New York (1842). I suspect that Alkato is really a
> town or village but cannot find it in my gazetteer and home. Has anyone
> heard of it?
>
> Karen Bush
> PO Box 1393
> Page, AZ 86040
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> *HICKMAN* *BAILEY* *PERKINS* *CRABB* *ROGERS* *LAUB* *McGINNIS* *FRAZIER*
> *CLAPP* *HAWES* *BENNETT* *DARNLEY* *WARREN* *TURNER* *LIVINGSTON* *GEE*
> *SEARL* *ALEXANDER* *ANDREWS* *LYON* *RICKER* *FRANCISCO or CISCO*
> *DOUGLASS* *HARRIS* *LUDDINGTON* *BUSH* *THORNE* *MOYES* *EVANS*
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How about Cato, NY?
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I think the reason is simply that Brooklyn in 1776 was an American
defeat. Another example is the Battle of Fort Montgomery in October 1777,
overshadowed by the American victory at Saratoga. But Fort Montgomery was a
brutal, bloody, savage battle in which the truly heroic American defenders of
the fort simply refused to surrender and were overrun and overwhelmed by the
British. For five hours, I think, there was a constant roar of artillery and
incessant musket fire, until a final last, desperate, and successful charge
by the British at dusk. It was a terrific battle, but no one ever reads
about it.
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Does anyone know if a typology of New York Vernacular Architecture
exists, especially for Dutch and German buildings? I see lots of them
for English, PA Dutch and Scotch/Irish derived structures, but have not
yet run across one for the NY Dutch/Palatine population.
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Beth Harpaz asked about the apparent neglect of the Battle of Brooklyn
(aka the Battle of Long Island). Mark Rothenberg points out, correctly,
that it was an ignominious defeat for Washington's army. I would add the
following (a) Washington's escape from Long Island was nonetheless
a favorite subject of 19th century iconographers and a topic of many a
July 4th oration (not unlike Valley Forge); (b) the Long Island fiasco
led to the 7-year military occupation of NYC--another experience worth
forgetting, although it too had elements of patriotic suffering and
perseverence (e.g., the prison ships); (c) the essentially rural territory
on which the battle was fought has all but vanished. The battle was in
fact not forgotten so long as farms and small villages Brooklyn survived,
but when they began to disappear in the mid-19th century, the events of
1776 quickly faded with them; (d) besides, historical amnesia is endemic
in NYC generally, and it's hardly surprising that the Battle of Brooklyn
is not well-known--but that's another subject.
Ted Burrows
Brooklyn College
(In the spirit of full disclosure, I should perhaps add that my office is
located not far from the main Hessian camp on the Flatbush Road. Now
that's progress for you!)
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I'll be interested in hearing about it too!
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Hi Beth, I believe that it is plain and simple (Spock said it in one of the
Star Trek movies) the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few...The
greater New York had a need to erase the history of the so called "outer"
boroughs...as a kid growing up in South Brooklyn I had no idea why my
neighborhood was geographically in the northern part of
Brooklyn...everything is Manhattan-centric and this is part of the reason
why New York City is such a mess...we have kids growing up in neighborhoods
that don't have a history! I believe Captain Kirk explained to Spock,
later in the same movie, sometimes the needs of the few (or the one) can
outweigh the needs of the many. It is nearly obscene to quote theory based
upon popular movies, but such is our culture. If the rich history of the
Brooklyn neighborhoods suddenly began being taught in neighborhood schools
we would see pride...the kind of pride that would inspire people to stop
dumping on their own neighborhood...the kind of pride that would create a
"commonality" among neighbors...the kind of pride that could create a bond
between people of diverse backgrounds...
I teach in a Brooklyn school that borders 37th Street, big deal! But when
I tell my students that 37th Street was once Martense Lane and that the
Martense farm was nearby and that many members of the Martense family are
buried nearby in Greenwood Cemetery and that this was an important skirmish
point during America's first battle (after the signing of the D of I) it
means something to them.
I was at a civic meeting on 9th Street a couple of months ago. NYS Dept of
Transportation folk were telling us why we couldn't have a voice in the
construction that they were undertaking in our neighborhood. I told them
that that was the same thinking that inspired hundreds of Maryland
volunteers to give their lives to fight against...and that many of those
young boys were buried in a mass grave just a block or two from where we
were meeting.
At present I am organizing a meeting of neighborhood historical societies
for July 11th. We will be meeting in Sea Gate at the home of Peter
Spanakos; 5100 Ocean View; 373-2586. Give Peter a call if you would like
to attend. By the way, Peter's home was designed by the architect of the
Chrysler Building (it is all steel construction)...
Tony Giordano 871-8340
On Jun 06, 1996 10:19:53, 'Beth Harpaz <[log in to unmask]>' wrote:
>Hi. I'm a reporter for The Associated Press in New York City. I am
>writing a story about the Battle of Brooklyn (1776), focusing on the
>question of why it virtually disappeared from popular histories of the
>American Revolution and our collective lore about colonial times, as well
>as how history gets written -- why some things are left out and other
>things
>are emphasized. I'd be interested in hearing from anyone with theories on
>this...
>
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Karen,
I've been following the Alkato discussion with interest. I checked an 1824
and an 1864 New York State gazeteer and found nothing. I also checked my own
database, where I store previous names of towns, cities and villages I come
across in my reading. Nothing.
The linotype theory is interesting. Another idea occured to me. It's a bit
fanciful and may be way off base, but fools rush in...
It's possible that after the New York emigrant arrived in Michigan his name
was registered with county or town government, on land deeds, voting records,
etc. He might have been asked what county he came from in York State. Perhaps
he lived somewhere so close to the Allegany-Cattaraugus border that he
couldn't be certain of his county of residence, and that he just replied
Allegany or Cattaraugus and the recording clerk, using his own abbreviation
and quite possibly his own spelling, put down Alkato, or Allcato.
Of course, to get any real clue as to what happened, you'd have to examine
the source of the obituary information. If was some sort of local government
record, the handwriting might be a clue. If it was that of your patron's
ancestor, he could have answered in whatever form he wanted. If it was the
clerk's handwriting, he may have used common abbreviations throughout the
ledger that might give a clue. Could there have been confusion between an "k"
and and "lc".
Lacking hard evidence, all we can do is speculate, which is fun, but doesn't
answer the original question.
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I think the nature of the defeat actually makes the question all that
much more intriguing. We, in fact, love our early defeats, historiographically
speaking because it make the later victories that much more glorious.
Consider:
the sacking of Washington vs. New Orleans
Bull Run (+ c.) vs. Appomattox (or Gettysburg etc.)
Maine vs. San Juan Hill
Pearl Harbor, Bataan etc. vs. D-Day, the Mariannes Turkey shoot etc.
the Tet Offensive vs. well, we lost that one.
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I just ran the place name, as spelled, through the US Geographic
Names Data Base maintained in Washington by the USGS on the WWW.
Nothing came up. I then ran it again without any state designation,
and still nothing.
I suspect the explanation is, as has been suggested, a typesetting
error, either caused by careless typing or by mis-reading manuscript
copy. If the copy was generated from interview [verbal] information,
there is yet another possible source of misinterpretation. If we
could be sure the copy resulted from hearing the place name, then we
could suggest "Cato" or some other like-sounding place. Since the
word "County" was included, it is more likely this IS a mis-typing of
Albany County, and you could search census data for the family name.
Philip Lord, Jr.
Secretary, NYS Committee on Geographic Names
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The Dutch-American Farm by David Steven Cohen, New York University
Press, 1992, is a wonderful resource for New Jersey and New York
Dutch-American vernacular architecture. Cohen includes photographs,
architectural drawings, comparisons with English and Netherlands
architecture, and great social history. This book presented me with a
classification for my own house, simple Georgian detail around the front
door, an interior with Dutch framing influences, one and one half stories,
gable end chimneys, built c.1800-1825. I hope this is a useful reference
for you and I am looking forward to reading other responses to your
question.
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I suggest the newsletters of the Dutch
Barn Preservation Society.
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(Please excuse any redundancy as I have also posted this to the Archives
listserve)
Our library recently received the gift of two photographs of a place called the
Hampton Lunch, both dated c.1910. I am trying to find out where this
luncheonette was located. There is no indication in either photo of a street
name although the Hampton Lunch is at #13 of the street it is on. It is flanked
by L.L. Streeter & Sons Flour, Feed and Grain (at #11) and Steenburg Furs (at
#15). Above it is what appears to be a rooming house for men. There is a poster
wrapped around the doorframe of the entrance to the stairs leading to what is
probably the men's rooming house that reads "... ersville House up one
flight..." -- could it be Gloversville?? I would appreciate any information.
Please reply to me personally as opposed to the entire list.
Thanks!
Jean Mahalov
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Perhaps some of you could refer us to marriage records between 1850-1865
for towns or counties in New York State (excluding New York City). These
could be town or county records, or church records.
We have combed the Guide to Records in the New York State Archives and
have found Fulton County, Gloversville Kingsborough Presbyterian Church
Marriage Records, 1830-1904. (Which we are obtaining through
Inter-library loan.) Elsewhere, we found, Berkshire Genealogical Notes
No. 4, Marriages in New Lebanon, New York, 1795-1852. We also found a
book on Emma Willard's Troy Female Seminary, 1822-1872 (which contains
both maiden & married names)
Our research focuses on female rural school teachers in New York at
mid-nineteenth century. We want to trace these teachers (across
documents) to their marriages and later their family. Working with
women, as you know, is difficult because their names change. This is why
we need marriage records for this period. Of course we will only be able
to find a small number of our teachers, so we want to draw from a number
of marriage records.
(Unfortunately, most of the graduates from the Troy Female Seminary taught
in the larger cities.)
From my reading of the NY History List, I realize that subscribers to
the list have a wealth of knowledge regarding New York history sources.
We would greatly appreciate any help you can provide regarding marriage
records between 1850-1865.
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"The Day of Chrysler's Farm, November 11, 1813" by Ronald L. Way (Morrisburg,
Ont.) published by the St. Lawrence Parks Commission (reprinted from Canadian
Geographical Journal) appears to be the only monograph on the battle. The
Commission , judging from your message is probably no longer in existence.
The pamphlet is 35 pages. I will copy it for you if you give me your mailing
address.
Also,check "Free Trade and Sailor's Right: Bibliography of the War of 1812 by
Fredericksen for other possible sources.
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Beth, your "No Subject" maybe the subject of the year. It is interesting
that you as a member of the AP are asking us. Certainly there are brilliant
contributors to this news letter (to which I am happy the subscribe) but
there is an element in your question of the doctor asking the patient "where
illness comes from" or worse "where does illness go to?" I am flattered by
your question but wouldn't the AP person be the expert? Is this a history
question or a media question?
None-the-less I am too proud to pass the opportunity to respond. Let's say
that my view is the street corner view. I have no academic credentials.
First of all I had not realized that the Battle of Brooklyn had slid away
from our popular memory. Of course, it might not be in the condensed version
and in 1995 that is a problem. In one sense or another everything has been
condensed. Can we fit it into 60 minutes or 30 minutes?
We could also say there is a general ignorance of history. Which is a shame
because it is so much fun to walk down a street Benj. Franklin or Geo.
Washington walked on 200 years before you. If a person's knowledge of
history comes from TV it might be a very limited knowledge indeed.
But I have another thought. It has long been apparent to me that what we
call "news" is a product of the popular mass media. Not that that's bad but
Freedom of Speech doesn't mean we get to hear everything. If we want to hear
we have to apply ourselves. I guess we call this learning or reading.
Today the news consists of what is commercially sellable. Revolutions in
Africa pass our attention while a cat in a burning house is extremely
newsworthy. The cat got "sell." And that's what pays the bills. We have
accept that goes with the territory. When you say popular view you mean mass
media view.
I don't think this is hard to accept. Once you accept this principal I am
mistified to see that it may also be applicable to history. Is history a
sellable mass media product. I don't think so but I am amazed at what falls
through the cracks in history books. Why do things fall through the cracks?
I don't really know. Are history books trying to form an image of the
perfect American? Who decides what should be included and what should be
editted out.
I am amazed how few Americans are aware that American and British
Expeditionary Forces invaded the USSR in the early 1920's(?) to oust the
communists agitators. I'll bet every Russian kid knows about it but few
American kids know about it. US History books skirt this issue like the
plague. Why? If you don't believe me pick up any US History text or the
like. I been doing this for years. It's like an event that never happened!
Why? Who decided to drop it. I'd love to know the answer to this one.
So I have not answered your question? I just masde it a bigger question.
Jim Maguire
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The Autumn 1995 issue of HERITAGE magazine ran a story
on New York as the "cradle" of the American Circus. Mention
was made of John Ricketts ("Father of the American Circus")
and an amphitheater he built in NYC in 1796. I would be
grateful for references and/or additional information about
Ricketts and his amphitheater.
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Brooklyn College
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The invasion of Russia by the ATLANTA Pact in the 20's is in Russian
History books. The invaders were not successful. I wonder if this bit of
history is in the Turkish , CZE, Hungary, British etc history books.
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Can anyone help me to identify an officer in the Civil War 89th
N.Y. Infantry, which was formed in Elmira, N.Y. He is Lt. (later Lt.
Col. Wellington M. Lewis. Or can anyone give me some leads as to how I
might identify him or learn something about him.
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I didn't see the HERITAGE article but I am familiar
with circus history. Ricketts's operation in NYC
was a circus in the sense of an auditorium
spectacle . New York State boasted both
spectacles and traveling shows. One famous,
early traveling show was the June, Titus and
Angevine show in Somers (Westchester Co.) NY,
circa 1790-circa 1830. Reportedly they owned the
first elephant in captivity in this continent.
Be wary of claims that other states are the
birthplace of the American circus. About 1966 or
1967 the U. S. Post Office got into a controversy
with Somers when it planned to unveil a circus
stamp in Baraboo, Wisconsin, and proclaimed that
town as the birthplace of the American circus.
Baraboo was the winter quarters of the Ringling
Bros. circus but that was a century after the
traveling shows in Somers. I was in Somers for
the stamp's unveiling, and I remember how
adament the citizens were about their special
place in history.
Bridgeport, Connecticut was the winter quarters
of Barnum and Bailey's circus, and the home of P.
T. Barnum, but this was also much later than both
NYC and Somers. Barnum opened a museum in
NYC about 1850, which lasted to about 1870. The
circus winter quarters moved to Sarasota, Florida,
about 1910.
Two sources you might check for information
about the Ricketts circus:
R. W. G. Vail, "Some Notes on the Early American
Circus," privately printed, about 1941. (Vail was
librarian of the N-Y Historical Society, so this
might be very useful, and it will be accurate.)
I. N. Phelps Stokes, "Iconography of Manhattan
Island," Arno Press, 1967 reprint of the original
edition [circa 1909]. Very detailed account of
Manhattan sites and happenings, very accurate,
with material chiefly from newspapers and
advertisements of the day.
Some general histories of the circus, which are
generally available, and may or may not be useful:
Charles Philip Fox, "The Circus in America,"
Country Beautiful, 1969.
John Durant, "Pictorial History of the American
Circus," 1957.
Earl Chapin May, "Circus From Rome to Ringling,"
Dover reprint, 1963, of the 1932 original.
The Historical Collections of the Bridgeport
Public Library is the nearest circus collection,
phone 203/576-7417. Other circus reference
collections are the Circus World Museum in
Baraboo, Wisconsin, and the Hertzberg
Collection, San Antonio Public Library, Taxas.
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Just want to thank everyone who had ideas on Alkato County, New York. It
gave us something to think about.
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Are the proceedings of the New York History Conference on the World
Wide Web?
If so, what is the URL?
If not, why not? It is a cheap way to "publish" the papers, gives some
advertising for the conference, gives those who did not attend an oppty.
to catch up, and allows those who did attend to get copies of the papers
without pestering the authors.
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This responds to the inquiry about a URL for the NYS History
Conference papers...
I think that it is important for providers of services and
information, who might make better use of new technologies, to hear
from their customers via any media available of ways in which they have
un-met expectations.
I would suggest that anyone with ideas - or frustrations - e-mail
this list where these concern New York State History services.
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Re: the Somers [Westchester County, NY] connection...
I recall an environmental impact study we did for the NYSDOT some
years ago, maybe as many as 10-12, in Somers, and there was a statue
of a monument to an elephant there in the path of the new road. I can't
recall if the elephant died there, or was merely being commemorated,
but it was the first circus elephant, or something along those lines.
As far as I know, the monument, which had a sculpture of the elephant
at its top, still stands. Perhaps someone can confirm that, and [as
they say] the rest of the story.
The environmental report is on file here in the State Museum, and
persons interested in it can contact the program office via Dr. John
Hart at [log in to unmask]
Phil Lord
NYS Museum/State Education Department
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Thank you so much, to all of you who responded to my query on the Battle
of Brooklyn. You gave me a lot of food for thought, a number of leads to
follow up on, some new theories and historical information I didn't know
about, and
some really interesting elements for my story that I wouldn't have had
otherwise. It's been fascinating and extremely useful. I've been a big
skeptic of the worth of the Internet -- until now!
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FYI all -- Environmental Impact Statements (EIS) often contain useful historical and
archeological information. For those who may not know about them:
Builders/developers of major projects are usually (always?) required to prepare an EIS
and file it with local planning officials and others. They're often (usually?) prepared
by engineers. First, a draft (DEIS) is prepared, then it is circulated for comments. The
comments are included in full in the final (FEIS) and the project cannot start until the
FEIS is accepted.
EISs comtain fairly detailed information about the project and what impacts it is
expected to have on the environment, including on cultural and social ewnvironment (read
current history) as well as archeological and historical resources. Very often a dig
must be done to demonstrate little or no impact on artifacts.
Local planning officials will keep them for awhile of course but who knows what
happens to their copies later. NYS Dept of Environmental Conservation may have a
repository of them. Does anyone know? Local libraries may also have them.
Question, Mr. Lord: What ones get filed at the State Museum?
Philip L. Lord wrote:
> Re: the Somers [Westchester County, NY] connection...
>
> I recall an environmental impact study we did for the NYSDOT some
> years ago, maybe as many as 10-12, in Somers, and there was a statue
> of a monument to an elephant there in the path of the new road. I can't
> recall if the elephant died there, or was merely being commemorated,
> but it was the first circus elephant, or something along those lines.
>
> As far as I know, the monument, which had a sculpture of the elephant
> at its top, still stands. Perhaps someone can confirm that, and [as
> they say] the rest of the story.
>
> The environmental report is on file here in the State Museum, and
> persons interested in it can contact the program office via Dr. John
> Hart at [log in to unmask]
>
> Phil Lord
> NYS Museum/State Education Department
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I've been told that my French-Canadian great-great- grandparents came to New
York "by boat over Lake Ontario." This would have been approximately 1830-35.
Can anyone tell me if this was a widely-used immigration route at that time?
Would there be any kind of documentation, such as passenger lists or
immigration records?
Thanks for any help you can provide.
Larry Lashway
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I absolutely agree that EIS reports are good sources of local history
data. In my experience [15 years directing such a program] we found
that in doing the required historical background research for the
project's impact area we had, often in the end, compiled the first
comprehensive summary of the history of the location in question;
even in cases of small settlement areas or hamlets one would expect
to have been studied and written up before.
Of course the necessarily very limited geographic focus of these studies, which
have to restrict themselves to just the immediate project area, sometimes make
these a sub-set within the concept of "local history",but they are extremely rich
on ocassion.
Another advantage is that the normal distinctions made between
prehistory ["Indian sites"] and history are not made in these
studies. They have to be complete work-ups of human activity in the
location from glacial retreat to the present, so you get a nice sense
of continuity.
You also, sometimes, get to see the results of archeological
investigation, or the application of archival materials [old maps and
photographs] not often available otherwise.
These reports are done by all sorts of environmental teams for all
sorts of clients. Some of these ultimately are being done for state
agencies [DEC, DOT...]. In our program [State Museum] seven copies
are filed with DOT for each study. A couple thousand studies have
been done since 1963, and these reports are on file here. They are
also on file at the State Historic Preservation Office [Parks,
Recreation and Historic Preservation], and sometime [if not too old]
on file at the State and Regional Offices of DOT.
It was the intent, at one point, to make all environmental reports
available to historians on a geographic location search basis. You
might ask the SHPO about that.
Information should be directed first to regional offices of agencies
or firmsrequesting these studies, then the central offices, and then
SHPO. As a last resort, contact the firm or agency that did the
study. The reason is that often the contract prevents release of the
report by anyone other than the regulating agency, so the firm or
research agency could not provide access anyway.
Philip Lord, Jr.
History Office/NYS Museum/State Education Dept.
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The Department of Environmental Conservation (DEC) does indeed
have a repository of Environmental Impact Statements (EIS).
These records are filed with the Bureau of Environmental Quality
Review and are retained by DEC until they are no long needed for
administrative purposes. At that the point the files are
transferred to the New York State Archives where they are
permanently retained and made available for research. The State
Archives presently maintains approximately 300 cubic feet of EISs
dating from the 1970s through the early 1990s.
A word of caution about their availability: Due to a lack of
space at its main facility (Cultural Education Center), the State
Archives was forced to store these records off-site.
Consequently, access to the files is somewhat limited. Moreover,
the files are arranged in an extremely complex manner that makes
retrieval of a specific EIS very difficult, but not impossible.
Researchers interested in using the EISs are strongly advised to
call in advance to make the necessary arrangements (518
474-8955).
In addition to DEC, the Office of Parks, Recreation, & Historic
Preservation (OPRHP) maintains a very large collection of EISs.
This agency still retains all of its EISs. Therefore,
researchers should contact Linda Dennis, the agency's records
management officer, directly for information about their EIS
holdings. Linda's number is (518) 473-6458.
Dan Lorello
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From: [log in to unmask] (Sheila Strickland)
Subject: school teachers - NYstate mid 19th century
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Jo Ann & Don Parkerson
I read your email of 11 Jun regarding female rural school teachers and
thought perhaps the following regarding two members of my research would
be of interest.
Children of Charles WEBSTER and Sally ROBBINS
Fanny Calista WEBSTER born 2 Aug 1827 graduated from the Normal School,
Albany, NY about 1848-9 and spent some time teaching. Was in 1856
Preceptress of a Young Ladies' Seminary at Marion, Ala. She married (1)
11 Nov 1852 Rev Henry W. SPAWN at Rochester, NY. She married (2) 12
Sept 1855 Henry C. KENYON at Oak Orchard, Orleans Co, NY. She married
(3) 22 Feb 1871 Elisha BUTTON at Greece, NY.
Sally Ann WEBSTER born 22 Aug 1829, for a time a school teacher,
married 26 Aug 1846 James Willis GRAY at Westford, Otsego Co, NY.
This information is from "History and Genealogy of the Gov. John Webster
Family of Connecticut", by William Holcomb Webster and Rev. Melville
Reuben Webster. 1915. I have verified information on these one-time
school teachers from Census records and probate records. Put I have
nothing, other than the above referenced book to indicate that they were
school teachers. I find the idea that a NY school teacher traveling
to Marion Ala curious but perhaps it was because Henry SPAWN was a
minister. I have further info on the descendants of these women if you
are interested.
Sheila Strickland
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The elephant statue is still in Somers, at the intersection of rtes. 202
and 100. Circus animals were kept in many of the barns in Northern
Westchester while not touring, particularly in North Salem. Houses
belonging to June and Bailey are still standing. The North Salem
Historical Society has some records regarding the circus, as I imagine
do the other local historical societies.
Fred J. Damerau
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Re: immigration into New York "over Lake Ontario" in the 1830s....
The Erie Canal, connecting Lake Erie with the Hudson, would have
been, in the 1830s, the preferred route across New York; coming or
going.
However, prior to the completion of the Erie Canal [1825], inland
travel by water followed a shorter route, going from Albany to
Schenectady by land, then up the Mohawk River to Fort Stanwix [Rome],
then down Wood Creek [passing through the very short Rome Canal built
in 1797], into and across Oneida Lake, down the Oneida River to the
Oswego River, and down that river to Fort Ontario [Oswego]. From
there one could go to Kingston, or turn down into the St. Lawrence to
Montreal and Quebec.
It would not be unexpected, depending on from where and to where the
trip was to be made, to have people coming into New York from
anyplace east of Niagara take the traditional route via Oswego.
I would be interested in further details on this journey, if you have
any.
Philip Lord, Jr.
Historical Survey/State Museum/State Education Department
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Recently, Robert Wright inquired about the Conference on New
York State History and the Worldwide Web. As conference
coordinator, I thought some general information about the CNYSH
might be of some interest.
Ideally (and as soon as possible) the conference should have
a homepage - possibly on the State Museum website sponsored by
my employer. General and specific conference information thus
posted would answer most queries. The WWW is a high priority for me -
stalled at this point by homepage design wars, low-tech
equipment in my office, and no State budget. But I am very hopeful
for the not distant future.
Beyond that, many possibilities arise: Clearinghouse
for proposals; mailing list; directory of scholars; alternative
publication of papers (like the Flick Lecture keynote address);
and posting of conference presentations in-progress - to name only
a few. Once on the web, I plan to pursue these things.
In 1996, 29 papers and the Flick address were presented at SUNY
New Paltz. These represented a range of states of readiness
including finished articles about to be published or accepted for
publication; parts of theses, dissertations or other larger works;
current research that has no consciously intended outlet; manuscripts
in a middling stage of development; and the first airings of new
research initiatives. Many of them will see publication in some form
at some future date. The Flick Lectures and many others, for
example, have been published in New York History.
I think sharing still-maturing manuscripts is a wonderfully open
idea that could be extremely beneficial to the scholar's work. My
own policy (and that practiced here at the Colonial Albany Social
History Project) is to share on demand!
However, each manuscript is the property of its author making it
their call about how it is revealed to the field. Many of the
presentations are still very much work in progress and will change
substantially from now til the time they achieve their final printed
glory. I wonder what some of the presenters at the conference think
about posting their papers on a CNYSH homepage?
Study the past to cope with the present and prepare for the future.
Best,
Stefan Bielinski
(518) 474-6917
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In my readings I recently came across a mid-1880's reference to an oxygen
cabinet, which was used for an unspecified (rats!) illness. These treatments
were given, I believe, in a Geneva, NY sanatorium. Could anyone out there tell
me more about the mysterious "oxygen cabinet"?
Thanks!
Daniel M. Dumych
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In our earlier comment on environmental impact statements, we forgot to
mention this technique:
Developers are *required* to respond to legitimate comments. A national
firm with gobs of money recently built a warehouse near a local
Revolutionary War battle site. Anne wrote a response to the DEIS,
bringing the site to their attention and suggesting that battle artifacts
could have been deposited at the construction site. National Firm With
Gobs of Money did some research on the battle and site, and published
their findings in the FEIS.
Recommendation: Any time you read about an environmental impact
statement being done (and all major projects in NYS must do them),
inquire, find the document, read it and do NOT be shy about raising
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The U.S.-Canadian border was somewhat blurred in my part of the
state until well into the 19th century. This was partly due to the 1000
Islands which physically blurred the border and partly due to the fact
that many northern New York families and communities had closer ties to
Canada than they did to downstate New York. Even as late as 1850 when the
Fugitive Slave Law was passed the border wasn't very clearly defined.
As a result, there was a lot of informal to-ing and fro-ing during most
of the 19th century.
Many Canadians crossed into Jefferson County by crossing the
St Lawrence River or the eastern tip of Lake Ontario -- often in small
boats. My own Irish relatives, who didn't come until the 1890's, are
said to have crossed over from the Kingston area in a row boat. There
were, of course, no passenger lists or other records for this type of trip.
My French Canadian ancestors, who came here in the 1830's, crossed
into the US near Chazy, NY and took a land route down into
St Lawrence, Jefferson and Oswego counties. There was no record of their
entrance into the U.S. either.
Laura Lynne Scharer
Jefferson County Historian
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Daniel M. Dumych wrote:
>
> In my readings I recently came across a mid-1880's reference to an oxygen
> cabinet, which was used for an unspecified (rats!) illness. These treatments
> were given, I believe, in a Geneva, NY sanatorium. Could anyone out there tell
> me more about the mysterious "oxygen cabinet"?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Daniel M. Dumych
Anything like the old oxygen tents??
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Here is an article from a Maine newspaper. There is a Maine connection
to the first elephant in America. Since I live in Waterboro, Maine, I
thought the article was interesting. Those of you interested in Somers
NY or circus history may find it interesting too.
***
(from the Coastal Beacon, June 8, 1995, Maine)
The Tale of Old Bette
By MALCOLM SMITH
Odd and amazing things happen in Maine. Perhaps there is something in
the
air or water. A something that has inspired persons like our State's
most
famous person of letter. Noone's really sure. But odd and amazing things
certainly do happen in Maine.
Take, for example, a summer's night in 1816. July 24, 1816, to be exact.
At about 9:00 p.m., if we should want to be very precise. Something so
bizarre happened that night, that most people probably wouldn't believe
the story, except that there's a monument to prove it. And, besides,
this is Maine, after all.
But, first, let's go back a little further to set the stage. All the way
back to 1796, when a passenger came to America aboard a ship on which
served the father of Nathaniel Hawthorne (Of The House of Seven Gables
fame.).
This passenger was said to be unruly and a drunkard. After landing in
America, the passenger was sold for the then-fantastic sum of ten
thousand dollars! A slave? No, an elephant - the first ever to set foot
on American soil.
It would be about fifteen years (There is no clear record of the date.)
before another elephant would find itself in the New World.
This elephant, named "Old Bette" (Some records say "Bet"), was purchased
in London by one Captain Bailey for a mere twenty dollars. Captain
Bailey was pleased with his bargain purchase, until he realized that,
once he
had returned home, he would have no means of keeping up his new
treasure.
Upon landing, the captain offered his prize to his brother, Hackaliah,
for one thousand dollars; a tidy profit. "Hack" Bailey, though a farmer,
knew a bargain when he saw one (He had heard enough about the other
elephant.), and snatched up his brother's pet.
Bailey took his elephant upriver to Sing Sing, and thence overland to
his home in Somers, NY.
Old Bette went on display for ten cents a peek, and she was a sensation.
In time, Bailey needed to find fresh audiences. Outfitting a couple of
wagons, he took his elephant on the road, giving birth to the American
circus (Ever hear of Barnum & Bailey?). Old Bette became his money
machine.
Bailey, wishing to travel less, eventually took on a partner, one "Uncle
Nate" Howes. But business turned sour; or so Howes reported.
They just couldn't seem to turn a profit anymore, Bailey was told.
Smelling a rat instead of a pachyderm, Bailey caught up with the show in
New Bedford, MA, where Howes continued to insist that there were no
profits.
Bailey soon produced a rifle, with which, he said, he planned to shoot
his half of the elephant. Once again, the show began reporting handsome
profits.
In the spring of 1816, Bette was taken to "the wilds of Maine." Her
entourage always travelled at night - supposedly to prevent panic
amongst the local livestock, but more likely to avoid anyone seeing her
without
paying admission. By day (Sometimes for days at a time, if the crowds
were good enough), the show set up and people came from all over to see
this stupendous oddity.
A newspaper of the time, the "Portland Gazette," reported that Bette was
on display in Portland from May 22 till June 4.
>From there, she was taken out into the countryside, where she proved a
big hit amongst the farmers and villagers. By late July, Bette was being
exhibited in Waterboro, and the show was preparing to head south.
On or before July 24, a farmer (Some reports of the day claim he was
drunk.) had a near-violent disagreement with the elephant's keepers. It
is not entirely clear whether he simply refused to pay to see Bette, or
if he was arguing that the show was taking hard-earned money from folk
who could ill afford it.
Whatever the case, the man was ejected, and the incident nearly
forgotten by all. Except the man himself.
On the 24th, Old Bette and the rest of the little show were moving south
from Waterboro. At about 9:00 p.m., as they passed near Round Pond, a
man leapt from the bushes. There was a thunderous roar, as he fired a
musket at poor Bette.
They say she rampaged for a quarter-mile before falling dead.
Old Bette's passing was mourned throughout the northeast. Letters
expressing the public's outrage were written to many of the papers of
the day. One writer, in a letter to the Portland "Eastern Argus," called
Bette's
attacker "... some diabolical miscreant." Another writer complained "...
we have savages still."
While the old court records were moved in the 1960's, and many have
since been destroyed, the December 3, 1959 issue of the Sanford Tribune
and Advocate" reported that "the Kalendar of the Goal at Alfred, 1806 -
1822" named one Daniel Davis of Shapleigh as having been jailed for the
deed.
The paper reported that an examination of court records for 1816 and
1817 contained no further mention of Davis or the crime. W.W. Clayton's
1880 volume, History of York County, Maine states that "the culprit"
was tried, but never punished.
What became of Bette is clearer, though. She was, initially, buried on
the spot. Bailey, though, still saw profit in the elephant. He shortly
had her remains exhumed, and, according to at least one New York paper,
put them
on display in New York. Eventually, he sold her bones to one museum, and
her hide to another.
And when mastodon remains were discovered in Scarborough, naturally, the
rumor was that Bette's bones had been rediscovered.
Unbelievable? If you doubt, take a drive down Route 4 in Alfred.
About a mile past the county jail is a stone marker, bearing a plaque,
which reads in part: "July 24, 1816 Site of Slaying of Elephant
Exhibited by Hackaliah Bailey and George Brown Company of Somers, New
York."
Besides, as I told you, odd and amazing things happen here in Maine.
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See "Marrriage Record of Two Early Schoharie, N.Y. Churches" (Reformed 1732-1892 and
St. Paul's Lutheran 1743-1899) published & copyrighted 1978 Arthur C.M. Kelly,
Rhinebeck, N.Y. 12572. I believe Kelly published records of other NYS churches and
communities as well.
Old Stone Fort Museum, Schoharie N.Y., has original records of several Schoharie
County churches. 518-295-7192, ask for the library. Also, Montgomery County Dept. of
History & Archives, Fonda N.Y., has a marvelous collection.
Jo Ann Parkerson wrote:
> Perhaps some of you could refer us to marriage records between 1850-1865
> for towns or counties in New York State (excluding New York City). These
> could be town or county records, or church records.
> We have combed the Guide to Records in the New York State Archives and
> have found Fulton County, Gloversville Kingsborough Presbyterian Church
> Marriage Records, 1830-1904. (Which we are obtaining through
> Inter-library loan.) Elsewhere, we found, Berkshire Genealogical Notes
> No. 4, Marriages in New Lebanon, New York, 1795-1852. We also found a
> book on Emma Willard's Troy Female Seminary, 1822-1872 (which contains
> both maiden & married names)
> Our research focuses on female rural school teachers in New York at
> mid-nineteenth century. We want to trace these teachers (across
> documents) to their marriages and later their family. Working with
> women, as you know, is difficult because their names change. This is why
> we need marriage records for this period. Of course we will only be able
> to find a small number of our teachers, so we want to draw from a number
> of marriage records.
> (Unfortunately, most of the graduates from the Troy Female Seminary taught
> in the larger cities.)
> From my reading of the NY History List, I realize that subscribers to
> the list have a wealth of knowledge regarding New York history sources.
> We would greatly appreciate any help you can provide regarding marriage
> records between 1850-1865.
>
> Jo Ann & Don Parkerson
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NCPH 1997 ANNUAL MEETING
Call for Papers and Presentations
The National Council on Public History invites proposals for
papers, sessions, panels and workshops for its May 1-4, 1997 Annual Meeting
to be held in Albany, New York. The Program Committee encourages
innovative, nontraditional presentations that emphasize historians'
commitment to public outreach and that address the conference theme "Public
History and Public Memory." Suggested topics include:
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Submit proposals to the program committee chairperson by
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The monument still stands, although it's a
relatively small statue or carving on a
wooden pole in front of the former
Elephant Hotel, which is now the Somers
Town Hall.
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I forward this because it is innately interesting. There is a NY
hook; just to keep things on the up and up. (Book on Sherman who
went to college in NY :)) Date: 06/20/1996 02:54 pm (Thursday)
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Subject: Washington Post WWW has first chapters of many new books
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Washington Post WWW has first chapters of many new books
from Richard Jensen, H-Net Central
There is an amazing new service on the WWW: The Washington Post
has most of its news stories on-line (free) at
http://www.washingtonpost.com/
Better still, the Washington Post Book Review section has the
complete first chapters of recently published fiction and
nonfiction books, along with the review published in the POST.
These chapters & reviews can be viewed and downloaded by WWW
browsers like Netscape (use control-S) or Lynx (use P).
http://
www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/style/longterm/books/books.htm
here is the listing of non-fiction books with first chapters.
Chapter One: Nonfiction
Amazing Grace, By Jonathan Kozol
Ambrose Bierce: Alone in Bad Company, By Roy Morris, Jr.
Another Turn of the Crank, By Wendell Berry
Asia Rising, By Jim Rohwer
Autopsy on an Empire, By Jack F. Matlock, Jr.
Between Justice and Beauty, By Howard Gillette Jr.
Beyond Black and White, By Manning Marable
Black Lies, White Lies, By Tony Brown
Blood and Iron, By Otto Friedrich
The Blue Note Years, By M. Cuscuna, C. Lourie, and O. Schnider
Bring Back the Buffalo!, By Ernest Callenbach
Buster Keaton: Cut to the Chase, By Marion Meade
A Century of Spies, By Jeffrey T. Richelson
Citizen Sherman, By Michael Fellman
Collision Course, By Micheline Maynard
Commonsense Justice: Jurors' Notions of the Law, By Norman J.
Finkel
Composition in Black and White, By Kathryn Talalay
Consumer Rites, By Leigh Eric Schmidt
The Death of Satan, By Andrew Delbanco
The Decline and Fall of the House of Windsor, By Donald Spoto
The Diaries of Dawn Powell 1931 - 1965, By Dawn Powell
The Disappearance of God: A Divine Mystery, By Richard Elliot
Friedman
Dinosaur in a Haystack, By Stephen Jay Gould
Endangered Dreams, By Kevin Starr
The End of Racism, By Dinesh D'Souza
The Fall of the Romanovs, By Mark Steinberg, Vladimir Khrustalev
The Family Book of Christian Values, By Jill Briscoe
The FDR Years: On Roosevelt and His Legacy, By William E.
Leuchtenburg
Fighting Terrorism, By Benjamin Netanyahu
First in His Class: Excerpts, By David Maraniss
Forest Dreams, Forest Nightmares, By Nancy Langston
From the Beast to the Blonde, By Marina Warner
Gastonia: The Story of the Loray Mill Strike, By John A. Salmond
Giving Up on Democracy, By Victor Kamber
God's Chinese Son, By Jonathan D. Spence
Guns or Butter, By Irving Bernstein
H.G. -- the History of Mr. Wells, By Michael Foot
Heart of Whiteness, By Ben Schiff
I.M. Pei: Mandarin of Modernism, By Michael T. Cannell
If You Came This Way, By Peter Davis
The Inner Jefferson, By Andrew Burstein
Intimate Enemies, By Meron Benvenisti
Invisible Allies, By Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn
James Thurber: His Life and Times, By Harrison Kinney
John Wayne: American, By Rand Roberts and James Olson
Lincoln, By David Herbert Donald
Longitude, By Dava Sobel
The Magician's Doubts, By Michael Wood
Man of the People: A Life of Harry S. Truman, By Alonzo Hamby
Me and Mario: Conversations in Candor, By Alan S. Chartock
Medical Malpractice and the American Jury, By Neil Vidmar
The Mexican Shock, By Jorge G. Castaneda
Mockery of Justice, By Sam Sheppard
The Most Dangerous Man in Detroit, By Nelson Lichtenstein
Mountain Lion, By Chris Bolgiano
Naked Racial Preference, By Carl Cohen
The New Color Line, By Lawrence Stratton
Nixon's Piano, By Kenneth O'Reilly
No Intermissions: The Life of Agnes de Mille, By Carol Easton
Not Entitled: A Memoir, By Frank Kermode
Patton: A Genius For War, By Carlo D'Este
The Physics of Star Trek, By Lawrence M. Krauss
Previous Convictions, By Nora Sayre
Pursued By Furies: A Life of Malcolm Lowry, By Gordon Bowker
Race, Gender and Power in America, Edited by Anita Faye Hill and
Emma Jordan
Rebel Heart: The Scandalous Life of Jane Digby, By Mary S. Lovell
Revolution of the Mind: The Life of Andre Breton, By Mark
Polizzotti
Seasons of War, By Daniel E. Sutherland
Stolen Childhood, By Wilma King
Storming the Gates, By Dan Balz and Ronald Brownstein
Strong Shadows, By Abigail Zugar
Take It Like a Man, By Boy George and Spencer Bright
Thread of the Silkworm, By Iris Chang
To Appomattox and Beyond, By Larry M. Logue
To Renew America, By Newt Gingrich
Turning Right in the Sixties, Turning Right in the Sixties
The Twilight of Common Dreams, By Todd Gitlin
Values Matter Most, By Ben J. Wattenberg
The Voice of the People, By James S. Fishkin
The War Against the Poor, By Herbert J. Gans
What Are Hyenas Laughing At, Anyway?, By David Feldman
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I am the manager for what remains of the New York State historic
marker program, initiated in 1926 for the Sesquecentennial of the
American Revolution.
It has been decades since the state has funded the installation of
these. But because the markers are still cast and erected with other
funding, people have a general sense that the program continues. We
provide, through the State Education Department, an information and
advisory service for this program, often drawing on records of the
original markers to answer questions or solve research problems.
There is no doubting the value of monumenting these otherwise
unidentified historic properties, particularly those with virtually no
surviving visible remains. And there is no doubt that this medium is
an appropriate focus for a field-oriented project commemorating the
end of the century/millennium.
I am asking subscribers to NYHIST-L to think about ways in which they
would like to see this program integrated into such a commemoration.
Your ideas will help us to think about bringing this program into the
21st century. Remember that resources are thin and staff are few, but
the opportunity is great.
Philip Lord, Jr.
Chief, Historical Survey
New York State Museum/State Education Department
Albany, NY 12230
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The NYS Historic Markers have always been of interest to me as they often
mark those very local sites/events that add so much to the understanding of
an areas history. One major problem seems to show up every now and then - the
question of accuracy of the data.
This seems to be a problem with a lot of the newly erected markers ( last
10-20 yrs) that are generated by local government or other groups. Some of
them are almost good enough to qualify for David Letterman's Top 10.
Is there a way with the limited staff and time to address this problem?
Dennis Lewis
Clinton Community College
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I recently came across a good copy of New York As It Is In 1833 and Citizen's
Advertising Directory. This is a guide book/almanac published by J.
Disturnell and edited by Edwin Williams originally came with a map but
unfortunately it was removed from my copy. Can anyone assist me in getting a
copy of the original map that came with the book?
I have other interesting but less important questions;
The book makes reference to the Island of New-York formerly known as
Manhattan!
It makes reference to a telegraph that is situated on the Staten Island
Heights and uses signals to communicate to the top of a New-York Wall Street
building. This sounds more like a semaphore or flag system then the Samuel
Morse style telegraph. Can anyone advise?
It has a small section in the lists of of municipal government for "Police
Offices". (not officers, offices!) Then it list four Special Justices and
three clerk. Now below this is listed the "Watch" which we would call the
police today. So "Police Offices" were not the Watch. I'm not familiar with
this use of the word "police". What were "Police Offices".
Can anyone advised me if there is an health issues in handling these old
books.
If anyone can help me with a copy of the original map I'd appreciate it.
Jim Maguire
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I have an inquiry from Connecticut about a large stone building, that
30 years ago stood in a remote area, called "Wilson Castle" or
something similar. Although it was known to have been in New York
State, no other geographic information can be recalled.
I checked the USGS geographic names data base on the WWW and did not
find it.
Does anyyone know this place?
Philip Lord, Jr.
NYS Museum
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Phil, if my memory serves me, there is a "Wilson Castle" near Proctor, VT.
It was built by an English gentleman perhaps late 19th c. As I remember
from the tour I took of it around 25 yrs ago, he had the stone imported
from England. Quite an imposing structure.
>>> Philip L. Lord <[log in to unmask]> 06/25/96 12:55pm >>>
I have an inquiry from Connecticut about a large stone building, that 30
years ago stood in a remote area, called "Wilson Castle" or something
similar. Although it was known to have been in New York State, no
other geographic information can be recalled.
I checked the USGS geographic names data base on the WWW and did
not find it.
Does anyyone know this place?
Philip Lord, Jr.
NYS Museum [log in to unmask]
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In reply to the issue of accuracy in historic markers..
We [State Education Department] used to review the text and approve
the markers before they were ordered from the foundry. That was when
we [New York State] funded the installations.
After funding dried up [nobody knows for sure, but at least 40 years
ago], staff continued to require this review and approval process.
A few years ago it was determined that we could not, legally, regulate
a program for which we provided no direct support. In other words,
except where markers were to be installed on state lands [such as the
margins of highways; within the right-of-way], private funds could be
used to erect private signs, even if they were state marker
look-alikes, at the discretion of the purchaser.
In my information letter to interested persons, I urged that they
contact their county historian, local historians, and local historical
societies to confim the text and proposed location before ordering.
Some obvious quality problems were observed, and so I changed the
information letter to ask that we receive a copy of the text in
advance, still urging that local historians have been involved in
review. The purpose is to continuously update the data base we are
maintaining on historic site markers of all types. We cannot check
the validity of every text, so we must depend on the local knowledge,
and interest, of local historians and historical organizations. This
would be true even if we DID fund the installations.
We still cannot demand a review opportunity except on state lands
installations, but I think we need to address quality features,
especilly since most people see any mrker tht has the shape and
colors of one of the true "State" markers as being a "State" marker.
Any suggestions in this regard will be appreciated and used, if
possible.
Phil Lord
NYS Museum/State Education Department
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1995)
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New York in the Revolution as Colony and State is a standard reference
work on New York's participation in the Revolutionary War. First
published in one volume in 1897, the enlarged two-volume edition of
1898-1901 has now been reprinted by the Genealogical Publishing
Company of Baltimore. New York in the Revolution contains summary
lists of officers and enlisted men in the numerous county regiments of
the New York militia, as well as the New York units of the Continental
forces. The work also lists men who served in the levies (drafted from
the militia) and in state naval forces. It lists those officers, soldiers, and
sailors entitled to land bounty right certificates issued by the state. The
second volume of New York in the Revolution lists civil officers of the
state government, persons who supplied goods and services to the
state, a small number of military pensioners, and persons whose
property was confiscated by the state. The work contains not only lists
of names, but also narrative discussions of civil and military organization,
military provisioning, poor relief, American refugees, county committees,
British prisoners of war, and the sequestration and forfeiture of property
of loyalists. Each volume contains a name index.
New York in the Revolution was compiled from claims and supporting
documents presented to a special state auditor after the Revolutionary
War. The documents were later maintained by the State Comptroller,
who transferred them to the State Library. While the nominal author of
the work was Comptroller James A. Roberts, the actual compiler was
Frederic Mather. New York in the Revolution assembles a vast amount
of useful information, but omits a lot too. The regimental lists of officers
and men do not indicate dates of service. Only a small number of
documents are transcribed verbatim. The "digested" contents of New
York in the Revolution can be particularly frustrating for both the historian
and the genealogist because about two thirds of the documents from
which the work was compiled were destroyed in the Capitol fire of 1911.
(The surviving documents have been preserved and microfilmed by the
New York State Archives as series A0200 Revolutionary War Accounts
and Claims.) (The reprint does not mention the present location of these
records.)
The Genealogical Publishing Company has reprinted New York in the
Revolution in one volume, signature-sewn and bound in sturdy buckram.
While the reprint is somewhat reduced in size from the original, the print
is legible. The volume is available for $60.00 plus $3.50 for postage and
handling from Genealogical Publishing Co., 1001 North Calvert Street,
Baltimore, MD 21202.
--Review by Jim Folts, New York State Archives
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I am very interested in historic markers and have noted that they
are much on people's minds now that we head into the year 2000 and beyond.
I wonder if the content of the markers is changing now, as opposed
to the ones placed at the beginning of this century and then again during
the 1930s. Are we commemorating the same sorts of places -- first mills,
churches, schools, early settlers -- or are we moving on to mark other
sorts of places and people and event?
I would be interested in hearing what you all might have to say
about this.
Carol Kammen
Ithaca
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As a teacher of seventh graders I have found these markers to be invaluable
over the last 30+ years of teaching. I often offer my students credit for
"rubbing" various markers. Good practice in rubbing and learning a little
history at the same time. I also offer credit every few years to students who
wish to "adopt" a marker and repaint it.
Several years ago one of the local markers turned up missing. I was not
sure when it vanished so I sicked my students on the problem. SEVERAL of them
got the bright idea that it might have been done in by a snow plow and so
they and their parents got on the telephone. About 11:00 p.m. that evening I
had a call from the county highway superintendent who asked me to "call off
the dogs." Seems his crew did have the sign which had been taken out by a
plow. It was unbroken and he promised to deliver it to my classroom if I
would promise to get the kids to stop calling him. He did and I did. Now,
with permission from the land owner the sign has been reinstalled in the same
spot but somewhat further from the highway. GREAT FUN for me and for the
students.
I would love to see this program return. Many others need to be
replaced.
Les Buell
Williamson Middle School
Williamson, New York 14589
1-315-589-9661
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Dear Phil,
Unlike the Berma-Shave signs, I find the historical markers hard to read as I
drive by. It is not always convenient to pull over to the side of the road
to read the marker. Why not publish a compilation of all the markers in a
book. You could include a map, let's say by county. You needn't (shouldn't)
publish a photograph the marker because in black and white you still can't
read them. You could print the actual marker text along with a photo of the
location or an expanded explanation of the historical significance of the
location. The procedes could support the program to put up new markers.
As far as dealing with copies of the basic marker design, can't you copywrite
the design of the marker? This would distinguish genuine state markers from
private markers.
Jim Maguire
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I thought NYHIST-L readers might like to weigh in on this subject.
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From: MARY KATHERINE MANNIX <[log in to unmask]>
Hello all. I am just finishing up a paper and hope you all can
help me with some quick thoughts. Do you who work in institutions with
map collections find that local history researchers utilize cartographic
materials to their utmost?? Do you who do local history research feel
that you utilize cartographic materials as well as you should?? Or do you
use them largely as afterthoughts or as merely illustrative material?
Very open ended questions, I know, but I just want to get a feel for how
maps and atlases are used. I find that most of my researchers do not
truly use cartographic materials and those who do don't use them as much
as they should, in part, I believe, because our map collection is not all
that accessible. It is one of our least cataloged collections. Also, is
anyone familiar with cartobibliographies on the county or other local
level? Have not had much luck identifying many in my literature
searches, but also fear that I am not in the correct databases.
Thanks. Mary
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Contributing to the discussion of use, in doing research, of
cartographic resources, I find that as someone who starts with maps,
air photos, and the field, and then moves into the narrative sources,
I never really gave much thought to the problem. But I can also
recall reading detailed and complex presentations, including large
book-length histories, that dealt with human activity over the
geography of a region [ such as military campaigns], and yet never
provided a reference map for the reader unfamiliar with the area.
There are two or three problems that seem to mitigate against using
maps in historical publication.
The first has been identified, and has to do with they're being
largely absent from library catalogs searchable by key words. As one
contributor pointed out, if one "stumbled across" [or was it "tripped
over"] a map reference while doing a subject key word search, they
might begin to treat these graphic representations more seriously. As
it is, most map collections have some sort of loosely organized
geographic index, so you, in reality, end up having to call up every
map in the county or state index that seems to be close in time
period, and then identify, by actually seeing, which are relevant.
This is what I have had to do in my own research into inland waterways
in the 18th century in New York. Some of my most significant "finds"
were filed under "New England" or worse. If there were a graphical
system, such as now used all over the Web, that would allow you to
select a specific geographic place or area, and then work down to the
map areas in the collection, one could more easily find the images
they need to find.
But another problem is that maps, and for that matter all
illustrations, talke up lots of page space. It is rare that a journal
wants to double the already limited space an article gets in order to
insert, at a readable scale, the many maps needed to make the issue
clear to the reader. Maps seem to be coming to the fore in some of
the electronic articles being mounted recently on the Web. Here space
is not an issue.
And if one insists on inserting, as I have done, maps and other
illustrating graphics into narratives dealing with landscape, the
book becomes, again, 40-60% longer than it would be as text. So even
though there is no necessary limit in size, pages cost money and
maps, especially if done as halftones, cost lots of money printed.
Again, perhaps new media will liberate us from these concerns and
graphics [the meat of the Web] will become more and more part of
publication and the presentation of historical information.
Philip Lord,Jr.
Chief, Historical Survey
NYS Museum/State Education Department
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Ms. Mannix:
We have a very large cartographic collection here, ca. 1200
atlases and 200,000 maps (ca. 10,000 historical maps). They are used
by many types of researchers, least of all, historians; mainly
archeologists, historic preservationists, geographers, genealogists,
and others. Some people have a greater understanding of the
construction of maps and so benefit more from their use than others.
There is very little taught in the schools and colleges about
cartography and map construction, so most people have little idea of
their value. This holds true for library administrators as well;
there are very few well-funded map collections in libraries in the
U.S. and map collections are generally give short shrift by library
managers. This means that most map collections are not cataloged
properly or thoroughly and the result is that a great deal of
information on maps is not available or available only with great
difficulty to researchers. The end result is that maps are either
ignored as sources or used frequently, but not as well as they could
be as information sources. Yes, maps need to be cataloged and
provided with much greater access, but I have not seen it in my years
of working with maps and do not expect to see it in the foreseeable
future. If anything, we may see less use of paper copy maps as digital mapping
becomes more available. It should be mentioned that library managers
often do give a good deal of support to digital mapping resources
because it is "cool" while paper maps which are used much more
frequently in most libraries are ignored when it comes to staffing.
Digital maps, of course, are incredibly valuable resources, but are
at least for next several years, "virtually" useless as sources of
information for the tens of thousands of published and unpublished archival maps
published from the 16th Century to the late 20th century. Issues of
scale and use of color will also effect the use of digitized
historical maps as well. Finally, historical maps often have very
great artifactual and monetary value as objets d'art and no digital
map is ever going to replace that kind of value.
Enough ranting for today! Anyone out there agree with any of this?
jim corsaro
James Corsaro
Associate Librarian
Manuscripts and Special Collections
New York State Library
Albany, NY
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> I thought NYHIST-L readers might like to weigh in on this subject.
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> Subject: Cartographic materials and local history
> To: Multiple recipients of list H-LOCAL <[log in to unmask]>
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> From: MARY KATHERINE MANNIX <[log in to unmask]>
>
> Hello all. I am just finishing up a paper and hope you all can
> help me with some quick thoughts. Do you who work in institutions with
> map collections find that local history researchers utilize cartographic
> materials to their utmost?? Do you who do local history research feel
> that you utilize cartographic materials as well as you should?? Or do you
> use them largely as afterthoughts or as merely illustrative material?
> Very open ended questions, I know, but I just want to get a feel for how
> maps and atlases are used. I find that most of my researchers do not
> truly use cartographic materials and those who do don't use them as much
> as they should, in part, I believe, because our map collection is not all
> that accessible. It is one of our least cataloged collections. Also, is
> anyone familiar with cartobibliographies on the county or other local
> level? Have not had much luck identifying many in my literature
> searches, but also fear that I am not in the correct databases.
> Thanks. Mary
>
> ************
>
> Mary K. Mannix
> Library Director Howard County Historical Society
> PO Box 109 Ellicott City, MD 21041
> 410-955-3028 410-750-0370 (Tues. pm & Saturday)
> 410-955-0200 (fax)
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I agree with Philip Lord's comments about the use of maps and other
images and the Web. Unfortunately, there is much resistance to on-line
publications and some of the complaints are, for now anyway, well
founded. What I wonder is why there seem to be so few "mixed" publications
i.e. traditional books, journals etc. that include Web addresses to
"supplementary" materials like maps, full databases (instead of tables),
photographs etc. In this way the journal still exists in tangible
physical form, can be read in cars, planes, trains etc. but becomes
a more valuable tool by relating the more expensive materials in a cheaper
electronic form. The same goes for the book of historical markers suggestion
recently put forth as well.
It is interesting that the "supply" of Web materials seems to be dragging
the "demand" along with it and that this process seems to be accelerating.
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Research query: for a possible exhibit on the Ku Klux Klan in N.Y.S.
in the 1920s at the New York State Museum, I am looking for primary
sources (membership lists, oral histories etc.),
ephemera, photographs, and artifacts on the KKK in N.Y.S. I am
particularly interested in Klan activity on the local level and local
response. I am familiar with Shawn Lay's book on Buffalo
and Jay Rubin's 1970's study of the Klan in Binghamton, as well as
the New York material in Kenneth Jackson's "The Ku Klux Klan in the
City" and David Chalmer's "Hooded Americanism." I can be reached
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[518-486-2033].
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New York State Museum, Albany
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Chris:
I haven't checked yet, but I think we have some KKK stuff
from Gloversville and from someplace in the Catskills. I'll let you
know what I turn up in the next day or so.
jim
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On Thu, 27 Jun 1996, Christine C. Kleinegger wrote:
> Research query: for a possible exhibit on the Ku Klux Klan in N.Y.S.
> in the 1920s at the New York State Museum, I am looking for primary
> sources (membership lists, oral histories etc.),
> ephemera, photographs, and artifacts on the KKK in N.Y.S. I am
> particularly interested in Klan activity on the local level and local
> response. I am familiar with Shawn Lay's book on Buffalo
> and Jay Rubin's 1970's study of the Klan in Binghamton, as well as
> the New York material in Kenneth Jackson's "The Ku Klux Klan in the
> City" and David Chalmer's "Hooded Americanism." I can be reached
> through this list, or e-mail [[log in to unmask]] or phone
> [518-486-2033].
>
> Christine Kleinegger, Senior Historian
> New York State Museum, Albany
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As far as publishing a book of the marker texts, this has only been
done for the over-sized ones at Thruway rest areas and such.
Several people and one publisher have proposed such a publication,
and some localities [such as counties] have done so, and very well.
The problem is there were 2500 on an old inventory, no one has
completed a new inventory of the entire state, and unless every area
does so, the book can never be done.
It would be more to the point of possibility to do a survey that was
thematically or geographically based - in other words, all the
markers in the Mohawk Valley, or all Sullivan-Clinton campaign
markers, or such. A markers-linked trail guide would be do-able.
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I'd be interested to know what is the best way to find out the weather in
December 1871 in Central New York State. Any ideas?
Barbara Taylor
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Some Almanacs included the previous years weather for people to compare
their predictions with actuality. Diaries are probably a better source,
though.
Mike
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> December 1871 in Central New York State. Any ideas?
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For weather history of a particular date and place, try the
following:
1. local newspapers for the area you are interested in. Certainly
unusual weather conditions or major storms were newsworthy events.
2. "Climatological Records of the Weather Bureau, 1819-1892,"
National Archives Microfilm Publication T907. There are 564 rolls.
If I recall correctly, they are arranged by state, thereunder by
county, thereunder by city. The records are often spotty for any
particular place or period of time, as most were collected by
military personnel or civilian volunteers.
Claire Prechtel-Kluskens
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>>> Barbara Taylor <[log in to unmask]> 6/27/96, 01:58pm >>>
I'd be interested to know what is the best way to find out the
weather in
December 1871 in Central New York State. Any ideas?
Barbara Taylor
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If I am remembering correctly, at one time it was the responsibility of
all academies in New York State to make weather observations and report
the same to the Board of Regents. I'd been interested to know if this data
was at least summarized in the printed reports of the Board of Regents--
usually part of the Senate or Assembly Documents-- and/or whether the the
unaggregated data has survived in "Albany" and/or whether their might be
retained copies of such reports in surviving records of academies.
Okay, just found my notes:
University of the State of New York. Results of a series of meterological
observations, made under instructions from the regents... 2nd ser. From
1850 to 1863, inclusive; with records of rain-fall and other phenomena, to
1871, inclusive. Albany: Weed, Parsons and Co., 1872.
[There was an earlier compilation, covering 1826-1850; I don't know if
there was anything published for 1871 onward. The federal government also
collected weather information from a variety of sources-- army posts, the
patent office (?), Smithsonian, etc.-- so you might want to check to see
if any of that data originated from central New York]
As mentioned by another poster, diaries often systematically record
weather observations-- a fact not usually mentioned in catalog
descriptions. Diaries kept by farmers during that period are, in my
experience, are more likely than not to record the weather. Farmers were
quite interested, for rather obvious reasons, in weather. Some
agricultural historian-- Gould Colman comes to mind-- might point you in
the right direction.
Christopher Densmore, University at Buffalo
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Chris:
The Village of Altamont, in its archives
and related collection, has an order book
from, I assume, the teens of twenties, for
Clansmen's robes and regalia. Suggest
you start with Village Clerk Cathy Adams. I
saw the tiem there a couple years ago.
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As Bob Arnold mentioned, the Altamont Museum and Archives holds 1
cf of material of the Helderberg Chapter of the KKK. It belonged
to the secretary of the group. Most of it is from the 20's and
30's. Mostly anti Catholic and anti immigrant. Mostly printed
items from the national office, a few broadsides of rallys in
Ithaca and other places, order forms for robes, torches and
others items, some minutes of local meetings. Also contains a
nice embossing press for the group's official seal. Most of the
minutes are about raising money (e.g., to raise money for a
person burned attempting to light a cross) Almost nothing of
activities. The minutes read like an Elks meeting. Then again,
local chapters were seen probably as patriotic after WWI,
particularly in rural areas like Altamont. There is at least one
person still alive who was a member. There maybe some privacy
issues with the membership records. Call me if you want to
discuss further at 518-474-8955.
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It seems to me that the State Archives
here has got Erie Canal records which
include those of the locktenders across
the state. locktenders recorded the
weather each day the canal was in
operation, which was about 8 months of
the year.
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