I'm not sure about barn murals, and only
remember advertising art on barns,
occasional farm and family names and
dates on the sides of barns or sometimes
picked out in their rooftop shingles.
There's a nice Welsh Pendragon on
Route 12, north of Utica, and I know of
some shamrocks and stuff visible
elsewhere.
In an urban setting, advertising art was
commonplace, but folk art was rare. I
know that when I was Albany County
Historian, I began a project to document
some of the advertising stuff on the walls
of buildings in the City of Albany and even
had a photo album donated by the
grand-daughter of one of the artist/sign
painters who painted ads.
How common are the barn murals and in
what context do you seem to find them?
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Jan 10
The British purchase a 20-by-30-mile tract of land on Lake Ontario's
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Mar 18
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with the nearby Dutch church, is destroyed by fire.
<bold><bigger>1741</bigger></bold>
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criminal conspiracy.
City - A plot by blacks, the Negro Plot, is uncovered. ** The city
forms a volunteer firefighting company.
<bold><bigger>1743</bigger></bold>
Indian Captives - The approximate date Mary Jemison is born in
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is born in New York City.
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one-year terms.
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Rock area. =20
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the Iroquois.
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York State.
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Valley via Chautauqua Lake, depositing lead markers at each important
river mouth.
Oct 17 =09
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=20
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settlement on Irondequoit Bay, to shut out the French trying to buy
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Tracing down, and knowing the truth about the Underground Railroad
is one of the most difficult topics local historians upstate have to deal
with.
At the moment, there are a very handsome poster, calendar and note
cards, and this spring there will be a book about the subject. I have had
several conversations about the sites mentioned and in two cases,
knowledgable local historians have insisted that these places were not --
not -- known stopping places. The poster shows "routes" through central
and western New York.
Places listed on the poster include: the W.H. Seward House,
Auburn; Fairview in Big Flats; Cooper Farmhouse in Cortland; Botsford
Place, in Leicester; Warrent Homestead, in Rochester; Cobblestone Farm in
Canandaigua; Evergreen House, in Skaneeateles; Cobblestone Farm in Seneca
Falls; W. Carman Farm, in Mecklenburg; McBurney House, Canisteo; 11 Front
Street, home of Judge Farrington, in Owego;AME Zion Church in Ithaca; Capt.
Throop House in Pultneyville, and Esperanza, in Yates County.
There are a few other sites on the calendar and note cards. Some
of these places have been challenged. Some are probably correct.
For some time the history and lore and memory of the Underground
Railroad in upstate NY has been of interest to me. I am interested in the
facts, in places, in evidence. I am also interested in what people have
believed and have wanted to beleive.
I wonder if those of you on this list might be interested in
discussing the UGRR in NY state. And if so, I would be interested in
hearing what any of you have to say about it. I am not interested in
refuting the fact of its existence; but in getting at that part of the
story it is possible to document straight and making sure that what we say
actually happened or is possible.
For example, in my part of the state there are numerous stories
about long tunnels leading to Cayuga Lake. Well: if anyone has watched
the DOT dig new roadways it is obvious that long tunnels constructed for
fugitives are more wish than fact.
I hope this is something you care to discuss, either to the entire
list or privately with me. My e-mail address is below. My appreciation to
you all for considering this topic.
Carol Kammen
Cornell University
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In my role as coordinator of highway surveys for cultural resources in
the 70s and 80s, and in my research in Rensselaer County into early
19th century mill sites in the 1980s, I encountered what I am sure many
have; the myth of the underground RR tunnel, usually running from the
cellar of an old house to a road or creek. These supposedly served as
escape routes for slaves hiding in these houses.
While there may have been such constructions for that purpose
somewhere, I have yet to find one confirmed around here. Most, if they
can even be located and excavated, would not admit even a child, and
these would have to crawl for long distances in the most confining and
suffocating space, just to gain a few yards on the "posse".
The one example I investigated in Rensselaer County seemed, on the
face of it, the most rock-solid example [in more ways than one]. It ran
about 100 feet from the cellar of an early 19th century farmhouse to the
bank of a creek, where its exit could plainly be seen; about a 24x30 inch
opening framed in large flat boulders. Local lore said the other end was
in the basement of the house. And "everyone" knew it was part of the
Underground RR. There were no historically mapped mills or other
structures around that house that could explain this feature.
However extensive searching of the basement failed to find any
evidence of an opening anywhere in the walls. Since the tunnel was
largely intact, the whole thing expertly made with boulder walls and
stone lintels roofing it all over, we could map it below ground, and sent
our most petite crew member in from the creek-side with a compass, and
tape measure tied to her waist. At intervals she called back compass
bearings and we noted distances in on the tape.
The resulting map showed the tunnel arched into the front yard of the
house instead of running to it directly, and [to cut the story short] later
deed research and some additional archeological excavation, revealed
that an un-mapped and otherwise unrecorded iron foundry had been
located in the front yard, as well as a mechanics shop [also unknown to
exist] in the next door yard, connected by a single power train. This
tunnel, therefore, served this unknown mill complex, either as a tail race
or an air shaft.
Other tunnels have proved to be features associated with industry or, at
least, not confirmed to have served the function reputed to them.
All this is merely to suggest that this Underground RR tunnel tale seems
to have had a life of its own in rural NY, and it would be really interesting
to follow-up on all these stories with some solid investigation. In the
process, we might end up with an even more interesting inventory of
unrecorded mills.
Philip Lord, Jr.
NYS Museum
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In Albany, we have several reputed sites
of UGRR "stations", some of which are
plausible. I have always heard rumors of
"tunnels" and attribute these to large brick
storm drains constructed here in the 91th
century and occasionally brought to light
during excavations since; they easily are
large enough for people to walk through.
Incidentally, my Quaker forbearers in
Onondaga County were supposed to
have been a station, in the hamlet of
Warners, Town of Van Buren, and my
father and uncle discovered what may
have been a hiding place concealed
under a stairwell in that house.
Anyway, I have always been interested in
the subject because of the alleged family
connection with it.
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Philip Lord
Thanks for the wonderful tunnel story! If you stumble into any
other tunnels, or hidey holes, or secret attic rooms, do let me know! All
grist for my historical mill.
with appreciation, carol
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In East Quoggue, on Long Island, in the house where my father was born
there are bedroom closets on the third floor with three by two "secret
doors". On the other side of them was a passageway that led to spaces
behind the gables.All the passageways connected in the center. As kids
visiting Grandma, we loved to crawl through them. We never found any
treasures, though, just old comic books from the forties and my
grandfathers coast guard uniform. No railroad, though.
On a similar vein, does anyone know about the "secret tunnel"
underneath the Pierre hotel that John Kennedy supposedly slipped
Marilyn Monroe in and out of?
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Philip Lord
Thanks for the wonderful tunnel story! If you stumble into any
other tunnels, or hidey holes, or secret attic rooms, do let me know! All
grist for my historical mill.
with appreciation, carol
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Hello Carol,
I grew up in Delevan and currently live in Buffalo. There is a
historical story in Delevan (I don't know if it was or can be proven)
that escaped slaves used to ride in the cargo cars of the Buffalo Erie
and Ohio Rail Road and jump out just inside the village line and spend
the night in a sub cellar of one of the two hotels in town. One of these
hotels was torn down, but the other still stands and does have what
appears to have been a sub cellar at one time.
Ruth Hesterly
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writes:
>Tracing down, and knowing the truth about the Underground Railroad
>is one of the most difficult topics local historians upstate have to
deal with.
>At the moment, there are a very handsome poster, calendar and note
>cards, and this spring there will be a book about the subject. I have
had
>several conversations about the sites mentioned and in two cases,
>knowledgable local historians have insisted that these places were not
--
>not -- known stopping places. The poster shows "routes" through central
>and western New York.
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In Buffalo, the Michigan Avenue Baptist Church (an early African-American
Church) has what is described as a tunnel leaving from the basement which
it is claimed was used to get fugitive slaves out of the church if needed.
Frankly, I'm skeptical about all tunnels, though certainly members of the
Michigan Avenue Church were involved in aiding fugitive slaves.
The story I'm REALLY skeptical about is one that there is (or was) a
tunnel leading from the Niagara River to a house further up the bank-- on
the Canadian side. What good such a fixture would do to for a fugitive who
had already gotten across the Niagara River is beyond me.
Christopher Densmore
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JohnCulver
Thanks for the Long Island story. My grandfather's house has a
similar passage leading to a room behind the chimney. The house was built
in the 1920s, however!
Carol Kammen
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i am also a local historian interested in the topic. we have an historic
preservation project in the buffalo ny area. a church call the michigan
baptist church- the oldest property ouwned occupied and operated by
african american in western ny, dating back to 1842 and a know site also
listed on the state and national register. i would love to talk more on
this with you. this weekend i will be at a underground railroad summit in
columbus ohio speaking on the topic.On Tue, 3 Dec 1996, carol kammen wrote:
> Tracing down, and knowing the truth about the Underground Railroad
> is one of the most difficult topics local historians upstate have to deal
> with.
>
> At the moment, there are a very handsome poster, calendar and note
> cards, and this spring there will be a book about the subject. I have had
> several conversations about the sites mentioned and in two cases,
> knowledgable local historians have insisted that these places were not --
> not -- known stopping places. The poster shows "routes" through central
> and western New York.
>
> Places listed on the poster include: the W.H. Seward House,
> Auburn; Fairview in Big Flats; Cooper Farmhouse in Cortland; Botsford
> Place, in Leicester; Warrent Homestead, in Rochester; Cobblestone Farm in
> Canandaigua; Evergreen House, in Skaneeateles; Cobblestone Farm in Seneca
> Falls; W. Carman Farm, in Mecklenburg; McBurney House, Canisteo; 11 Front
> Street, home of Judge Farrington, in Owego;AME Zion Church in Ithaca; Capt.
> Throop House in Pultneyville, and Esperanza, in Yates County.
>
> There are a few other sites on the calendar and note cards. Some
> of these places have been challenged. Some are probably correct.
>
> For some time the history and lore and memory of the Underground
> Railroad in upstate NY has been of interest to me. I am interested in the
> facts, in places, in evidence. I am also interested in what people have
> believed and have wanted to beleive.
>
> I wonder if those of you on this list might be interested in
> discussing the UGRR in NY state. And if so, I would be interested in
> hearing what any of you have to say about it. I am not interested in
> refuting the fact of its existence; but in getting at that part of the
> story it is possible to document straight and making sure that what we say
> actually happened or is possible.
>
> For example, in my part of the state there are numerous stories
> about long tunnels leading to Cayuga Lake. Well: if anyone has watched
> the DOT dig new roadways it is obvious that long tunnels constructed for
> fugitives are more wish than fact.
>
> I hope this is something you care to discuss, either to the entire
> list or privately with me. My e-mail address is below. My appreciation to
> you all for considering this topic.
>
> Carol Kammen
>
> Cornell University
> [log in to unmask]
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>
>
>
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carol i made a mistake. please share my previous reply to you with all on
this listing. i would really like to keep this dialog going. i am
currently working with the national park service with the promotin of the
underground and the completion of their national study. i have also
worked with noted historian and author charles l. blockson of the
blockson collection at temple university. i have also consulted with tony
cohen the maryland historian who just recently just completed his 400
mile walk from maryland coming through western ny on his way to canada.
he was featured in the october edition smithsoian magazine. back in 1993
a groups of us did a 15 city 18 day tour along the ole harriet tubman
trail coming out of atlanta ga. to st. catharines ont. traveling along
the eastern seaboard stopping at sites related to to the underground.
i also started a company called motherland connextions that specializes
in heritage tourism, specific to the underground railroad.
my name is kevin cottrell
pob 176 bridge st.
niagara falls ny 14305
(716) 282-1028
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> Philip Lord
>
> Thanks for the wonderful tunnel story! If you stumble into any
> other tunnels, or hidey holes, or secret attic rooms, do let me know! All
> grist for my historical mill.
> with appreciation, carol
>
>
>
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JOSEPH F. SHUBERT GIVES $500 VELMA K. MOORE AWARD
TO MICROFILM NEW YORK STATE NEWSPAPERS
WILL HELP FRIENDS OF THE NEW YORK STATE NEWSPAPER PROJECT
RAISE $100,000 TO CELEBRATE MICROFILMING OF 1 MILLION PAGES
OF HISTORY
Joseph F. Shubert, New York State Librarian Emeritus, has donated
the $500 awarded to him by the New York State Association of Library
Boards (NYSALB) to help preserve New York State newspapers for
future generations. NYSALB honored Shubert in October for his service
to New York's public libraries and library trustees with the Velma K.
Moore Award. The award included a citation and $500 for a library
project or service of his choice.
Ms. Vicki Weiss, President of the Friends of the New York State
Newspaper Project, said that Shubert's gift helps launch a drive to raise
$100,000 for preservation microfilming of New York State newspapers
by May 1997. She said that the drive will mark the microfilming of the
one-millionth page of New York State history contained in newspapers.
Shubert said that this use of the Moore Award funds will benefit
every library and library user in the State because "newspapers are
basic to New York's history and their preservation is important to every
reference librarian and school library media specialist."
Weiss urged librarians and library users to join the Friends and
make "special microfilming gifts" of $30 to advance the project. Since
1991, the Project has microfilmed over 800,000 newspaper pages.
Some 200 historical societies, libraries, museums, publishers and
private collectors have donated or loaned runs of over 250 newspapers
to be microfilmed. Microfilm copies are available at local libraries through
interlibrary loan. Locations are available in the OCLC database.
The Friends $100,000 drive is expected to culmintate early next
summer and coincide with the Project's anticipated "millionth page." The
project will also celebrate its tenth anniversary as a member of the
United States Newspaper Program, a national effort to locate and
preserve newspapers. The national program, which began in 1983, is
sponsored jointly by the National Endowment for the Humanities and the
Library of Congress. The New York State Library works with the two
national sponsors and regional groups to complete the inventory,
cataloging and preservation in New York State.
To contribute to the microfilm drive, send a check or money order to
The Friends of the NYS Newspaper Project, P.O. Box 2402, Albany, NY
12220. For more information contact Vicki Weiss, President, Friends of
the New York State Newspaper Project, [log in to unmask]
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BACKGROUND INFORMATION ON THE NEW YORK STATE NEWSPAPER
PROJECT AND THE FRIENDS OF THE NEW YORK STATE NEWSPAPER
PROJECT
Saving Newspapers and Saving Community History
When the first Women?s Rights Convention was held in Seneca Falls in
1848, New York State newspapers were there.
During the War of the Rebellion (now known as the Civil War), New York
State newspapers printed battle accounts, letters from soldiers at the
front and editorials on the reasons why the war was necessary.
New York State newspapers provided first-hand accounts of what New
Yorkers saw and did at the Centennial, Columbian and Pan-American
expositions.
In addition to coverage of stories of a national importance, New York
State newspapers covered the state fair and county fairs, Fourth of July
celebrations, the construction of houses, office buildings and town halls
that now are candidates for the National Historic Landmark listing, and
the births, marriages and deaths of the great and the not-so-great.
New York State newspapers carry the town gossip that becomes
community history.
The New York State Newspaper Project is trying to save that history and
make it available to all New Yorkers.
To date the NYSNP has saved over 800,000 pages of New York State
history by microfilming the brittle pages that contain stories of the first
time an automobile drove through town or a stunt flyer performed or
electricity was used to light the interiors of buildings.
The NYSNP began surveying the holdings of historical societies, libraries,
museums and newspaper publishers in 1987. Surveys of newspaper
holdings in 55 of the state?s 62 counties have been completed. Survey
work currently is being conducted in Nassau and Suffolk counties.
Information about each paper located, including a list of the issues held
by various repositories, is entered into OCLC, a national database that is
available at most larger libraries across the state.. Thus, if you want to
know if there still exist issues of a newspaper that was published in
Silver Creek in the 1870s, a search on the OCLC database will tell you
who has what.
Microfilming of historically important newspapers - that is, papers
historically important to cities, towns, villages and towns throughout the
state - began in 1991. Over 200 historical societies, libraries, museums,
newspaper publishers and private collectors have donated or loaned
runs of over 250 newspapers to the Project to be microfilmed. Copies of
all newspapers filmed since 1991 - and all microfilmed newspapers held
by the State Library that were in the Library?s collection prior to 1991-
are available to you at your local library through interlibrary loan
Microfilming currently is being done in 30 counties. The Project expects to
film its 1,000,000th page early next summer, coinciding with the
celebration of its tenth anniversary as a member of the United States
Newspaper Program (USNP), a national effort to locate newspapers and
preserve them on microfilm which began in 1983.
To help commemorate that momentous event, the Friends of the NYS
Newspaper Project recently inaugurated a drive to raise $100,000 by
May 1997 for preservation microfilming of New York State newspapers.
To date the Friends has raised over $25,000 for newspaper microfilming
through membership dues, donations, foundation grants and sales of
collections of recipes, puzzles and Civil War maps and letters compiled
from New York newspapers.
The USNP is sponsored jointly by the National Endowment for the
Humanities and the Library of Congress. The New York State Library is
the statewide coordinator of the NYSNP regional projects and provides
management and quality control for the technical work of inventory,
cataloging and preservation
Federal grant funds from the National Endowment for the Humanities
cover the cost of the statewide inventory and partially cover
preservation microfilming.
For more information, contact the Friends of the NYS Newspaper Project,
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From: "NATALIE A. NAYLOR" <[log in to unmask]>
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There are several sites on Long Island which have a tradition of being
stops on the underground railroad--a house in Manhasset or Port Washington and
St. David's A.M.E. Church in Eastville (Sag Harbor) and perhaps others. Mary
Feeney Vahey at the Cow Neck Peninsula Historical Society (336 Port Washington
Blvd, Port Washington, NY 11050;516-365-9074) has been researching this in her
area and my Hofstra colleague Ellen Lewis ([log in to unmask]) has written a
play an underground railroad stop in Eastville. Ellen is interested in any
information on water routes (Sag Harbor port specifically).
Ellen has shown me information that the National Park Service has been
accumulating on the Underground Railroad, e.g. an article in "CRM" Dept of
Interior Cultural Resource Mangement publication, v. 19#2, 1996, by Sharon
Brown and Barbara Tagger, "The Underground Railroad: A Study in Heroism."
Barbara Tagger is a historian with the NPS in Atlanta Ga (75 Spring St, Room
1020; 404-331-6131; fax 404-730-9487 and a summary of the NPS report "exploring
options for preserving, commemorating historic underground railroad" may be on
the NPS: http://www.nps.gov/undergroundrr/.
The Long Island Studies Institute at Hofstra has a unidentified
typescript with an undocumented map of underground railroad routes on Long
Island.
Natalie Naylor, Hofstra University
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Ruth
Thanks for the addition. I will follow up on what I can. I also
understand that there is a graduate student in Maryland doing something
about the ugrr.
with appreciation, carol
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Christopher Densmore
Thanks for the additional tunnel stories. I can't understand why
they are so prevelent but there they are! And all over the state.
I have run into the Michigan Avenue Baptist Church frequently. I
will certainly look into its history.
Thanks so much for the addition. with appreciation, carol kammen
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Kevin
Thanks so much for your comments. Your activities are of great
interest to me as I am looking in particular at what we say about the ugrr
and how we celebrate it. Do keep me posted.
with appreciation, carol kammen
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I am hoping that someone who subscribes to this list will be able to tell me
how to obtain a photograph or some sort of reasonable facsimile of the tablet
I have heard is in the wall of the Railroad Station in Albany, New York that
commemorates "Symon Schermerhorn's Ride." The tablet is located at what is
thought to be the site of the Old North Gate of the village. I can be reached
at:
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Brenda Whelply
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I would like to announce the unveiling of the Tryon County NY (genweb)
page at http://www.rootsweb.com/~nytryon/ . While this is part of the
NYGenweb project, Tryon is a unique county, which is more significant
historically speaking than in the number of ancestors that actually were
born or died there.
Please take a minute to visit this fine page, and email George or Joyce
with your comments, or if you have information to share.
Thanks
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Hello,
Can you, please, tell me where Tryon Co., NY is?? I have an Atlas the gives
the counties in all American states but TRYON is not listed as a county in
N.Y.S.
Has it been renamed?? Thanks for the info.
Ruth (Pigott) Harper [log in to unmask]
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carol kammen wrote:
>
> Tracing down, and knowing the truth about the Underground Railroad
> is one of the most difficult topics local historians upstate have to deal
> with.
>
> At the moment, there are a very handsome poster, calendar and note
> cards, and this spring there will be a book about the subject. I have had
> several conversations about the sites mentioned and in two cases,
> knowledgable local historians have insisted that these places were not --
> not -- known stopping places. The poster shows "routes" through central
> and western New York.
>
> Places listed on the poster include: the W.H. Seward House,
> Auburn; Fairview in Big Flats; Cooper Farmhouse in Cortland; Botsford
> Place, in Leicester; Warrent Homestead, in Rochester; Cobblestone Farm in
> Canandaigua; Evergreen House, in Skaneeateles; Cobblestone Farm in Seneca
> Falls; W. Carman Farm, in Mecklenburg; McBurney House, Canisteo; 11 Front
> Street, home of Judge Farrington, in Owego;AME Zion Church in Ithaca; Capt.
> Throop House in Pultneyville, and Esperanza, in Yates County.
>
> There are a few other sites on the calendar and note cards. Some
> of these places have been challenged. Some are probably correct.
>
> For some time the history and lore and memory of the Underground
> Railroad in upstate NY has been of interest to me. I am interested in the
> facts, in places, in evidence. I am also interested in what people have
> believed and have wanted to beleive.
>
> I wonder if those of you on this list might be interested in
> discussing the UGRR in NY state. And if so, I would be interested in
> hearing what any of you have to say about it. I am not interested in
> refuting the fact of its existence; but in getting at that part of the
> story it is possible to document straight and making sure that what we say
> actually happened or is possible.
>
> For example, in my part of the state there are numerous stories
> about long tunnels leading to Cayuga Lake. Well: if anyone has watched
> the DOT dig new roadways it is obvious that long tunnels constructed for
> fugitives are more wish than fact.
>
> I hope this is something you care to discuss, either to the entire
> list or privately with me. My e-mail address is below. My appreciation to
> you all for considering this topic.
>
> Carol Kammen
>
> Cornell University
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Appreciated your inquiry. My beginning efforts in genealogy research
has led me to one David Ruggles. He is said to have assisted Frederick
Douglas in his escape to freedom. Ruggles founded an abolitionist
organization called the NY Vigilance Committee in 1835 after a rash of
kidnapping of free Blacks from New York. His close associates were
Philip A. Bell and Dr. James McCune Smith.
According to McFreely's bilography of Douglas, Douglas was taken to
Ruggles, who sheltered him at his home on the corner of Lipensdard and
Chruch Streets. While residing with Ruggles, he was reunited with Anna
and they were married there.
If in your search, you come across any further information on Ruggles,
please share it with me. Thanks.
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Hi, nyhist-listers!
I've been asked if the New York History list (about which I've been
bragging to friends) would be of any help with the following.
Can anyone out there help determine the date of a publication,
a portion of which was found at the back of a picture.
It is _The New York FIRESTONE COMPANION_, self-described as
"A Journal of Instructive A..."(the rest is missing)
Vol.XLVIL George Munro, Proprietor
17 to 27 Vandewater Street
season's greetings,
Nick.
Nicholas Haynes Treanor {
St. Catharines, Ontario, Canada } Life is an adventure,
{ not a guided tour
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Possibly this tidbit might help in the research.
In Townline, New York (between Lancaster and Alden) on Route 20 at Townline
Road is Truman Square. Townline left the Union during the Civil War and
only rejoined in 1949. There is a plaque on the corner giving all the
historical details. It was known also to have an underground railroad with
tunnels between about 8 houses on the road. It is a very tiny four corner
town with a general store, gas station, the Townline Hotel - which used to
be a stage coach stop.
Linda Nebrich Beilein
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I am currently conducting research that has led me to a hotel that once
existed in Orange County, NY> From what I can gather, the hotel was in
operation during the 1800s until possibly 1900-1910. It was called either
The Wayside Inn (rather common name) or The Seven Springs Mountain House.
It was allegedly built and operated by the DAVISON family. Any
information would be appreciated, as well as acknowledged. I am also
interested in finding out which railroad lines would have been running
through Monroe, NY during that time. The lines ran from Newburgh through
Monroe.
Thanks in advance,
jim
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I know of no such plaque. In the late
1680s, the North Gate of the stockade
would have been not so far from the
former Union Station, now a bank
headquarters, but I am unaware of any
plaque there. During Albany's city
bicentennial in 1886 several bronze
plaques were mounted around town and
there may have been one for
Schermerhorn's heroic ride. Several
plaques were at one time mounted on a
fountain in front of the Delaware & Hudson
RR station, but fountain and plaques are
gone, removed when the SUNY system
took the station as its headquarters. The
plaques could have been remounted
somewhere I've not seen. I suggest you
try the Albany Institute of History and Art
at 125 Washington Avenue, Albany, NY
12210.
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> Hello,
>
> Can you, please, tell me where Tryon Co., NY is?? I have an Atlas the gives
> the counties in all American states but TRYON is not listed as a county in
> N.Y.S.
>
> Has it been renamed?? Thanks for the info.
>
> Ruth (Pigott) Harper [log in to unmask]
> Ruth, Tryon county existed for only twelve years. 1772-1884 and was
renamed Montgomery Cty just after the Revolution. The huge area covered
most of the Mohawk Valley, Central and Western NY State. 37 counties
were created over the next several decades from the area that was Tryon
County.Many references to Tryon can be found in Revolutionary War
histories.
Sincerely, George Morris
http://www.rootsweb.com/~nytryon/index.html
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Again thanks to those who contributed information about trade silver
and medals.
For others who might be interested in this subject:
>From the archaeological community I learned of a book by
Martha Wilson Hamilton "Silver in the fur trade 1680-1820"
published in the 1990's. It has information about the
medals that were discussed here, as well as many others discovered
in archaeological finds or located in various museums.
An interesting source that I was successful in obtaining on
interlibrary loan.
Anna Mae Maday
Eddy Historical & Genealogy Collection
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Searching by telnet to locis.loc.gov [Library of Congress], I found:
1. LCCN: sn91-61036
The New-York fireside companion. New York : George Munro,
Began in 1869. Ceased in 1903? Weekly
NOT AN LC RECORD. SEARCH FURTHER FOR LC ITEMS OR SEE STAFF.
2. LCCN: sf88-92769
The New-York fireside companion {microform}. New York : {s.n., 1869-Vol. 3,
no. 67 (Feb. 10, 1869)- Weekly
LC CALL NUMBER: Microfilm 01929 <MicRR>
On Sat, 7 Dec 1996,
Nicholas Treanor wrote:
Apparently your volume must be "XLVII " or Vol. 47, since the final "L"
is out of place on your date. This would make it 1916 if annual volumes
were used, which is outside the apparent 1903 end of publication.
> Can anyone out there help determine the date of a publication,
> a portion of which was found at the back of a picture.
> It is _The New York FIRESTONE COMPANION_, self-described as
>
> "A Journal of Instructive A..."(the rest is missing)
> Vol.XLVIL George Munro, Proprietor
> 17 to 27 Vandewater Street
Best of luck.
Karll.
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Tryon County was the colonial county name for what is now Fulton County.
However, I suggest that you check the colonial statutes to be certain that
the original Tryon County may not have had wider boundaries. Since it was name
d for a colonial governor, William Tryon (who was also a British general), the
Revolutionary government felt it unwise to retain the original name.
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By 1790 Montgomery, formerly Tryon, County encompassed present day St.
Lawrence, Jefferson, Lewis, Hamilton, Oswego, Oneida, Herkimer, Fulton,
Otsego, Chenango, Madison, Cortland, Tioga, Broome, Chemung, Senaca,
Onandaga, Cayuga, parts of Schuyler, Wayne, Franklin, Schoharie, and Delaware
Counties. Fulton is a fairly small part of this extensive early County.
Reference: Map Guide to The U.S. Federal Censuses, 1790-1920.
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<bold><fontfamily><param>Geneva</param><bigger><bigger>NYNY
1750-1754</bigger></bigger></fontfamily></bold><fontfamily><param>Geneva</param>
<bold><bigger>1750</bigger></bold>
February
John Cannon is awarded a water lot grant in Manhattan, with the
stipulation that he widen Water Street out to the East River.
State
The approximate Peoria is founded, in Albany County.
<bold><bigger>1751</bigger></bold>
City
Immigrant Theophylact Bache arrives from England and forms a business
with an uncle by marriage and another partner.
<bold><bigger>1752
</bigger></bold>Feb 21
Businessman Nathaniel Rochester is born in Westmoreland County,
Virginia.
State
Troy's first house is built.
New Hampshire
Syracuse, New York, co-founder Ephraim Webster is born in Hampstead.
England
William Murray, solicitor general to the king, grants the Vermont area
to New Hampshire, disappointing New York's claims.
<bold><bigger>1753</bigger></bold>
State
The French build a wagon road across the southern tier, along the
future path of Route 17.
<bold><bigger>1754</bigger></bold>
Jun 19
25 delegates from seven colonies, including Pennsylvania's, with
Benjamin Franklin, hold the Albany Congress to discus confederation.
Other representatives have come from New Hampshire, Massachusetts,
Rhode Island, Connecticut, New York and Maryland.
Jul 10
The Plan of Union is tentatively adopted by the Albany Congress.
Jul 17
King's College (later Columbia University) opens in New York City.
Oct 31
A royal charter is granted to King's College.
Transportation
James Wells opens a stage and boat line, running twice a week between
New York City and Philadelphia.</fontfamily>
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Hi Ruth:
According to "The Handy Book", by Everton Pub. (good book for all
genealogists) Tyron was formed in 1772 & renamed Montgomery in 1784,
was created from Albany.
If you have NY queries please send them to be included in my publication
NY ST QUERIES. No charge to submit queries.
Carolyn Weidner
Ruth Harper wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> Can you, please, tell me where Tryon Co., NY is?? I have an Atlas the gives
> the counties in all American states but TRYON is not listed as a county in
> N.Y.S.
>
> Has it been renamed?? Thanks for the info.
>
> Ruth (Pigott) Harper [log in to unmask]
>
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Ruth
Tryon and Charlotte ( now Montgomery and Washington) counties were taken off
(from Albany Co.) in 1772
This county (Montgomery) was formed from Albany, March 12, 1772, under the
name "Tryon County. " Its name was changed April 2, 1784. Ontario was taken
oo in 1789, Herkimer, Otsego, and Tioga in 1791, Hamilton in 1816, and Fulton
in 1838. It lies on both sides of the Mohawk, centrally distant 39 miles
from Albany.
The above are quotes from French's Gazetteer of the State of New York,
1860. That is probably more than you ever wanted to know but while I was
up....
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I am looking for a source that has the Rochester Gazette (or Telegram)
on microfilm, and would be willing to interloan.
I have already contacted the University of Rochester which says
that they do not loan to public libraries.
Thanks.
Anna Mae Maday
Eddy Historical & Genealogy Collection
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chris i have never heard of a tunnel lying beneath the site of the
michigan street baptist church, but is is an area of the church where
fugitives did hide. i know this to be true as the founder of the michigan
street preservation corporation. one of our missions other than restoring
the church is to rewrite ALL the bad history locally about this topic.
regarding the tunnel over in canada-the john forsite house now known as
the doll house museum. the forsite were known smugglers of just about
everything. no traces of a tunnel have been found, and yes you are right
why would a tunnel be needed by fugitives who were already on free soil!On
Wed, 4 Dec 1996, Densmore wrote:
> In Buffalo, the Michigan Avenue Baptist Church (an early African-American
> Church) has what is described as a tunnel leaving from the basement which
> it is claimed was used to get fugitive slaves out of the church if needed.
> Frankly, I'm skeptical about all tunnels, though certainly members of the
> Michigan Avenue Church were involved in aiding fugitive slaves.
>
> The story I'm REALLY skeptical about is one that there is (or was) a
> tunnel leading from the Niagara River to a house further up the bank-- on
> the Canadian side. What good such a fixture would do to for a fugitive who
> had already gotten across the Niagara River is beyond me.
>
>
> Christopher Densmore
> University Archives
> University at Buffalo
> 420 Capen Hall
> Box 602200
> Buffalo, New York 14260-2200
>
> Voice: 716-645-2916
> Fax: 716-645-3714
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>
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how wonderful it would be to have a new york state underground railroad
summit. i just left the one in ohio. it was a huge success, which is only
going to get bigger. i hearing alot about tunnells which in most cases
are myth or wishful researching. its not the tunnel one should be
searching for but, ancient or very old indian trail, of which new york
state is full of. the underground railroad is a story that is so
infectious. if you think about it its still going on today the quest for
freedom. this goes on in bosia, mexico, cuba, latin america etc. its a
very positive story, one thats begging to be told CORRECTLY!On Wed, 4 Dec
1996, Simira Tobias wrote:
> carol kammen wrote:
> >
> > Tracing down, and knowing the truth about the Underground Railroad
> > is one of the most difficult topics local historians upstate have to deal
> > with.
> >
> > At the moment, there are a very handsome poster, calendar and note
> > cards, and this spring there will be a book about the subject. I have had
> > several conversations about the sites mentioned and in two cases,
> > knowledgable local historians have insisted that these places were not --
> > not -- known stopping places. The poster shows "routes" through central
> > and western New York.
> >
> > Places listed on the poster include: the W.H. Seward House,
> > Auburn; Fairview in Big Flats; Cooper Farmhouse in Cortland; Botsford
> > Place, in Leicester; Warrent Homestead, in Rochester; Cobblestone Farm in
> > Canandaigua; Evergreen House, in Skaneeateles; Cobblestone Farm in Seneca
> > Falls; W. Carman Farm, in Mecklenburg; McBurney House, Canisteo; 11 Front
> > Street, home of Judge Farrington, in Owego;AME Zion Church in Ithaca; Capt.
> > Throop House in Pultneyville, and Esperanza, in Yates County.
> >
> > There are a few other sites on the calendar and note cards. Some
> > of these places have been challenged. Some are probably correct.
> >
> > For some time the history and lore and memory of the Underground
> > Railroad in upstate NY has been of interest to me. I am interested in the
> > facts, in places, in evidence. I am also interested in what people have
> > believed and have wanted to beleive.
> >
> > I wonder if those of you on this list might be interested in
> > discussing the UGRR in NY state. And if so, I would be interested in
> > hearing what any of you have to say about it. I am not interested in
> > refuting the fact of its existence; but in getting at that part of the
> > story it is possible to document straight and making sure that what we say
> > actually happened or is possible.
> >
> > For example, in my part of the state there are numerous stories
> > about long tunnels leading to Cayuga Lake. Well: if anyone has watched
> > the DOT dig new roadways it is obvious that long tunnels constructed for
> > fugitives are more wish than fact.
> >
> > I hope this is something you care to discuss, either to the entire
> > list or privately with me. My e-mail address is below. My appreciation to
> > you all for considering this topic.
> >
> > Carol Kammen
> >
> > Cornell University
> > [log in to unmask]
>
> Appreciated your inquiry. My beginning efforts in genealogy research
> has led me to one David Ruggles. He is said to have assisted Frederick
> Douglas in his escape to freedom. Ruggles founded an abolitionist
> organization called the NY Vigilance Committee in 1835 after a rash of
> kidnapping of free Blacks from New York. His close associates were
> Philip A. Bell and Dr. James McCune Smith.
>
> According to McFreely's bilography of Douglas, Douglas was taken to
> Ruggles, who sheltered him at his home on the corner of Lipensdard and
> Chruch Streets. While residing with Ruggles, he was reunited with Anna
> and they were married there.
>
> If in your search, you come across any further information on Ruggles,
> please share it with me. Thanks.
>
>
>
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Hello David,
Just wanted to tell you that I have been enjoying and saving the NY history
notes that you have been posting from time to time.
As one who had early roots in the New Amsterdam of the 1600's but grew up in
Canada, it gives me a better understanding of my heritage and the
migration of our people.
Keep it up. Many thanks.
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The name Tryon lingers, generating perhaps a bit of mystique.
Willim W. Campbell wrote "Annals of Tryon County" (1880). The state
operates a Tryon School for (very naughty) Boys and the Tryon Inn in
Cherry Valley is a fine dining establishment. A few years ago I chose it
as the name of my history-oriented publishing business in Schoharie
although only the western part of present Schoharie county was part of
Tryon and Schoharie village was not.
Tryon was created in 1772 at the urging of William Johnson, the very
influential British Indian agent, and was seated at Johnstown. Tryon
was kind of Johnson's personal feifdom. The county included much of
central New York.
Gov. William Tryon was the last British governor of New York and also
governor of North Carolina. I believe his offices and mansion were in
Carolina. New York's other "lost" county, Charlotte, was named for King
George's queen-consort. In 1784 Tryon was renamed for patriot Gen.
Richard Montgomery and Charlotte for George Washington.
The best map of Tryon is probably Claude Joseph Sauthier's
"Chorographical Map of the Province of New York in North America" (1779)
reprinted and tipped in facing page 526 of vol. 1, Documentary History
of New York (1850).
-- Lester E. Hendrix
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There is a plaque for a Schermerhorn in the Old Stockade area in
Schenectady. Unfortunately, I don't remember the first name.
Beverly Vander Kooy
University at Buffalo
n Mon, 9 Dec 1996, Bob Arnold wrote:
> I know of no such plaque. In the late
> 1680s, the North Gate of the stockade
> would have been not so far from the
> former Union Station, now a bank
> headquarters, but I am unaware of any
> plaque there. During Albany's city
> bicentennial in 1886 several bronze
> plaques were mounted around town and
> there may have been one for
> Schermerhorn's heroic ride. Several
> plaques were at one time mounted on a
> fountain in front of the Delaware & Hudson
> RR station, but fountain and plaques are
> gone, removed when the SUNY system
> took the station as its headquarters. The
> plaques could have been remounted
> somewhere I've not seen. I suggest you
> try the Albany Institute of History and Art
> at 125 Washington Avenue, Albany, NY
> 12210.
>
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Anna:
Try contacting the New York State Newspaper Project at (518) 474-7491.
Someone there should be able to assist you in your search for the Rochester
Gazette.
Terry Johnston
>I am looking for a source that has the Rochester Gazette (or Telegram)
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Tryon County is not an "is" any longer. It "was." It was one of the
early counties of the state and included much of Northern NY and a
chunk of Vermont as well.
A map showing it is found in the book NY in the Revolution. It is
also found on C.J. Sauthier's map of the Province of NY, 1779; which
has been reprinted several times, including in the Documentary
History of NY, 1849-50.
jim corsaro
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On Fri, 6 Dec 1996, Ruth Harper wrote:
> Hello,
>
> Can you, please, tell me where Tryon Co., NY is?? I have an Atlas the gives
> the counties in all American states but TRYON is not listed as a county in
> N.Y.S.
>
> Has it been renamed?? Thanks for the info.
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> Ruth (Pigott) Harper [log in to unmask]
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>
>
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I have a SUNY intern trying to find primary documentation on the camp
and position of General Stark, which blocked the roadway north of Old
Saratoga [Schuylerville] during the terminal phase of the Battle of
Saratoga [1777]. The position appears on no original battlefield maps, and
so far he and I have found no mention of it in accounts by participants.
There is a very vague secondary source comment [1911] with no citation
[as usual].
Yet there is an historic marker at the location shown on early 20th
century restrospective maps of the Schuylerville section of the battlefield
[you know the kind; where someone matches recorded battlefield
features to the modern landscape]. The marker is not one of "ours" [State
Education Department] so there is no documentation in the file on
sources.
If anyone has a lead to primary source data on this encampment, please
pass it along.
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NYS Museum
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Some silly character named Corsaro just mentioned that Tryon County
included "a chunk of Vermont." Well, Corsaro should have checked the
Sauthier map he mentioned before talking to the entire list; it
clearly shows the outline of Tryon County as only in NYS. The county
he was thinking of and confusing with Tryon was called Charlotte
County which covered much of Northern NY and a "chunk of Vermont."
So, check your maps before mouthing off to the list, Corsaro.
Yes, Sir!
jc
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On Tue, 10 Dec 1996, Jim Corsaro wrote:
>
> Tryon County is not an "is" any longer. It "was." It was one of the
> early counties of the state and included much of Northern NY and a
> chunk of Vermont as well.
>
> A map showing it is found in the book NY in the Revolution. It is
> also found on C.J. Sauthier's map of the Province of NY, 1779; which
> has been reprinted several times, including in the Documentary
> History of NY, 1849-50.
>
>
> jim corsaro
>
> James Corsaro
> Associate Librarian
> Manuscripts and Special Collections
> New York State Library
> Empire State Plaza
> Albany, New York 12230
> e-mail: [log in to unmask]
> (518) 474-5963
>
>
> On Fri, 6 Dec 1996, Ruth Harper wrote:
>
> > Hello,
> >
> > Can you, please, tell me where Tryon Co., NY is?? I have an Atlas the gives
> > the counties in all American states but TRYON is not listed as a county in
> > N.Y.S.
> >
> > Has it been renamed?? Thanks for the info.
> >
> > Ruth (Pigott) Harper [log in to unmask]
> >
> >
> >
>
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>From the program ANIMAP put out by Goldbug:
Tyron was formed from Albany in 1772. It covered land to the west of Albany
and to the north to the Canadian border. It expanded to the west in 1781
until it reached to todays
Genesee Co. In 1782 it was expanded all the way to the west of modern day
NY. In 1783 its border was pushed back to the west by Mass. claim to W. NY.
In 1784 its name was change to Montgomery Co.
According to ANIMAP its border never reached VT. to the east.
Researching:
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Every book I've read on slavery in the USA, has presented the fact that
free soil did not guarantee safety to runaways, nor to free Blacks.
Given this fact, perhaps tunnels were needed.
Kevin Cottrell Kevin Cottrell wrote:
>
> chris i have never heard of a tunnel lying beneath the site of the
> michigan street baptist church, but is is an area of the church where
> fugitives did hide. i know this to be true as the founder of the michigan
> street preservation corporation. one of our missions other than restoring
> the church is to rewrite ALL the bad history locally about this topic.
> regarding the tunnel over in canada-the john forsite house now known as
> the doll house museum. the forsite were known smugglers of just about
> everything. no traces of a tunnel have been found, and yes you are right
> why would a tunnel be needed by fugitives who were already on free soil!On
> Wed, 4 Dec 1996, Densmore wrote:
>
> > In Buffalo, the Michigan Avenue Baptist Church (an early African-American
> > Church) has what is described as a tunnel leaving from the basement which
> > it is claimed was used to get fugitive slaves out of the church if needed.
> > Frankly, I'm skeptical about all tunnels, though certainly members of the
> > Michigan Avenue Church were involved in aiding fugitive slaves.
> >
> > The story I'm REALLY skeptical about is one that there is (or was) a
> > tunnel leading from the Niagara River to a house further up the bank-- on
> > the Canadian side. What good such a fixture would do to for a fugitive who
> > had already gotten across the Niagara River is beyond me.
> >
> >
> > Christopher Densmore
> > University Archives
> > University at Buffalo
> > 420 Capen Hall
> > Box 602200
> > Buffalo, New York 14260-2200
> >
> > Voice: 716-645-2916
> > Fax: 716-645-3714
> > E-Mail: [log in to unmask]
> >
> >
>
> ###
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John J. Birch, The markers speak. An informal history of the Schenectady area, published
by the Schenectady County Historical Society in 1962, on page 42-43 gives full
details of a marker relating to the ride of Symon Schermerhoorn on Feb. 8, 1690. The marker
is located near the corner of North Church and Front Streets.
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Research Proposal:
I want to second Kevin Cottrell's suggestion about a meeting on the
Underground Railroad in New York State. Lots of people have bits of
information about particular sites or areas, and I think it would be
useful to try to begin a more systematic attempt to connect these isolated
fragments of data into a larger picture.
At the early stage, it would be useful to try to compile a master list
(perhaps a web site) of all locations said to be part of the URR and the
source of the attribution. Obviously documentation is scarce, and many
sites identified by local traditions which may or may not be accurate.
Some sites are clearly impossible (I was asked about the Hicksite Quaker
meeting house in Buffalo as a possible site-- it wasn't, as it was built
in 1868), and some are documented by first hand (though usually post war)
testimony. This leaves a large number of sites where there needs to be a
critical examination of the attributions. At least in a preliminary stage,
it would be best, I think, to include any possible site and then work
toward identifying which of those are proveable, possible, plausible,
implausible and impossible.
As part of this effort, I think it would be useful to create a map of New
York State showing those locations where there was known anti-slavery
activity or communities which may have been sympathetic to fugitives.
(1) African-American Communities
(2) Explicitly Anti-Slavery Churches
a. Society of Friends (Quakers)
b. Free Will Baptists
c. Wesleyan Methodists
d. Seventh Day Baptists
e. other churches...
(3) Organized Anti-Slavery
a. branches of the American Anti-Slavery Society
b. agents for the LIBERATOR and ANTI-SLAVERY STANDARD
c. local abolition societies
Part of this interest comes from following the routes of abolitionist
lecturers through western New York via reports in the abolitionist papers.
Often they appear to be traveling known routes where they could expect
some support and assistance. I think I am making an assumption here that
the URR was not in most places a highly organized affair with regular
"service" but generally consisted of informal networks (perhaps several
overlapping networks) that were able to assist fugitives.
Part of the problem in organizing a meeting is the geography of the
state, that is, getting people from all parts of the state into the same
room. Buffalo is a long way from Albany and further from New York City and
Long Island. It may be more realistic to begin by thinking regionally, and
work towards a meeting (or some other form of sharing information) that
would focus on central and western New York (if Western New York is
included, it would also be important to make connections to where people
were going on the Canadian side of the Niagara River).
Christopher Densmore
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Does anyone know where Salisbury Mills, Orange Co, NY is or WAS ? Where =
can I get a map of the area?
Looking for the town and information on the TROTTER family from the =
area; especially Henry TROTTER who married a Margaret BARTON, probably =
in the 1850's.
Are there any historical/genealogical groups in the area?? Sites on the =
net ? Is there an Orange Co, NY web page?
Thanks,
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Salisbury Mills is a hamlet in the town of Blooming Grove in Orange
County.
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Well I think it si still there in name. I have a county map and it is
marked as being in the Town of Cornwall and the border with the town of
Blooming Grove and at the interesection of the Clove and Otterkill Rds.
Some of my Mills, Bull and Vail ancestors were from this area (Blooming
Grove and Little Britain).
Mike Mills
At 08:57 PM 12/12/96 -0500, you wrote:
->Does anyone know where Salisbury Mills, Orange Co, NY is or WAS ? Where
can I get a map of the area?
->
->Looking for the town and information on the TROTTER family from the area;
especially Henry TROTTER who married a Margaret BARTON, probably in the 1850's.
->
->Are there any historical/genealogical groups in the area?? Sites on the
net ? Is there an Orange Co, NY web page?
->
->Thanks,
->
->Tom Morris
->Imlay City, MI
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>Does anyone know where Salisbury Mills, Orange Co, NY is or WAS ? Where
can I get a map of the area?
>
>Looking for the town and information on the TROTTER family from the area;
especially Henry TROTTER who married a Margaret BARTON, probably in the 1850's.
>
>Are there any historical/genealogical groups in the area?? Sites on the
net ? Is there an Orange Co, NY web page?
>
Salisbury Mills is indeed here in Orange county, NY. Yes, it still does
exist. A book was recently published on it's history. I believe that
Orange County Genealogical Society may have it for sale. If not, the library
here in Washingtonville (down the street from Salisbury Mills) has it.
Vital records would be located in the Town of Blooming Grove at the Town
Clerks office.
The Address for the Orange County Genealogical Society is:
101 Main St.
Goshen, NY
Hope this helps.
Susan
Susan Walski
Genealogy: The only hobby where finding dead people can excite you!
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On Fri, 13 Dec 1996, Susan Walski wrote:
> >Does anyone know where Salisbury Mills, Orange Co, NY is or WAS ? Where
> can I get a map of the area?
On-line maps for the US are available at:
http://www.mapquest.com/
ttp://route.delorme.com/
http://www.census.gov/cgi-bin/gazetteer
http://www.bigbook.com/
http://www.mapblast.com/
You can zoom in/out, change labels (on the Tiger Map System, at least),
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Enjoy and Regards,
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Volume 10 of Documents Relative to the Colonial History of New York
page 700 Montcalm says of the Indians..."Should any misfortune happen to
them they would say 'tis a medicine they are getting; a term in their
language equivalent to charm in ours..."
"...the English had thrown that medicine on the Indians...."
Cyprien Tanguay states in one of his vols. that a certain individual was
a "medecin" at Saginaw (former soldier married to a saulteuse, who
wintered at Saginaw) It was formerly believed that this man may have
been a doctor, healer, some sort of medicine man.
The French officials were known to have promised blacksmiths to the
Indians of the Saginaw area, but are there any other instances of them
sending "medecins" in other areas. Or do the 2 terms mentioned
have something in common.
Also I have discovered that there are more than 10 vols. to the New York
Colonial Documents (we have only 10) and that there may be an index
in the last volume. If this is true, can someone send a xerox copy
of the portion starting with SA...
Since most of these vols are too bulky to xerox I just need any
references, vols & page #s for the following:
Saguina, Saginaw, Sakina, Sakinam, Saquina or anything that
looks like a variant spelling.
Thanks for any comments or ideas.
Anna Mae Maday
Eddy Historical & Genealogy Collection
Hoyt Public Library
505 Janes Ave
Saginaw MI 48607
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>>>>> "Tom" == tmorris@cardina net <[log in to unmask]> writes:
Tom> Are there any historical/genealogical groups in the area??
Tom> Sites on the net ? Is there an Orange Co, NY web page?
Here are a couple other suggestions:
* USGenWeb Project's New York Page:
http://www.rootsweb.com/~nygenweb/
You can then drill down to the Orange County web pages.
* Genealogy in New York State Mailing List (GEN-NYS-L)
http://www.rootsweb.com/~nozell/gen-nys-l.html
See the web page for information about subscribing to the mailing
list and reading the email archives. The FAQ is here:
http://www.rootsweb.com/~nozell/gen-nys-l/FAQ/GEN-NYS-L.html
* Search Engines
A query of "+trotter +genealogy" (don't include the quotes) to
http://altavista.digital.com returned over 100 hits. Unfortunately
"+henry +trotter" didn't return anything that looked interesting.
Also some of the other major search engines: HotBot, UltraSeek,
Magellan, Inference, etc
-marc
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Ms. Maday:
There are 15 vols to the Documents relating to the Colonial
History of the State of New York.
You know about v. 1-10. V. 11 is an index to the first 10
vols.
V. 12 is titled: Documents relating to the History of the
Dutch and Swedish Settlements on the Delaware River.
v. 13 is titled Documents relating to the History and
Settlements of the Towns along the Hudson and Mohawk Rivers...from
1630 to 1684.
v. 14 is titled Documents ....to the History of the Early
Colonial Settlements...on Long Island
v. 15 is titled New York in the Revolution, 1887.
There are several pages of "Sa" in the index volume 11 and I
will mail copies of them to you next week.
jim corsaro
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On Fri, 13 Dec 1996, Anna Mae Maday wrote:
>
> Volume 10 of Documents Relative to the Colonial History of New York
> page 700 Montcalm says of the Indians..."Should any misfortune happen to
> them they would say 'tis a medicine they are getting; a term in their
> language equivalent to charm in ours..."
> "...the English had thrown that medicine on the Indians...."
>
> Cyprien Tanguay states in one of his vols. that a certain individual was
> a "medecin" at Saginaw (former soldier married to a saulteuse, who
> wintered at Saginaw) It was formerly believed that this man may have
> been a doctor, healer, some sort of medicine man.
>
> The French officials were known to have promised blacksmiths to the
> Indians of the Saginaw area, but are there any other instances of them
> sending "medecins" in other areas. Or do the 2 terms mentioned
> have something in common.
>
> Also I have discovered that there are more than 10 vols. to the New York
> Colonial Documents (we have only 10) and that there may be an index
> in the last volume. If this is true, can someone send a xerox copy
> of the portion starting with SA...
>
> Since most of these vols are too bulky to xerox I just need any
> references, vols & page #s for the following:
>
> Saguina, Saginaw, Sakina, Sakinam, Saquina or anything that
> looks like a variant spelling.
>
> Thanks for any comments or ideas.
>
> Anna Mae Maday
> Eddy Historical & Genealogy Collection
> Hoyt Public Library
> 505 Janes Ave
> Saginaw MI 48607
> [log in to unmask]
> 517-755-9827
>
>
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Thanks to Jim Corsaro for the information about the volumes and
for his assistance in supplying the needed index pages.
Anna Mae Maday
Eddy Historical & Genealogy Collection
Hoyt Public Library
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Last week someone on this list mentioned RootsWeb (a www site). This
looked like an interesting place to look around, but after several tries,
I can't make a connection. Does anyone know what's wrong or have a
suggestion?
thanks,
phil terrie
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* "Few fully understand what the Adirondack
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American Culture Studies * those who have crossed and recrossed it by boats
Bowling Green State Univ. * along its avenues, the lakes; and on foot
(419) 372-2785 * through its vast and silent recesses."
* --Verplanck Colvin, 1874
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The Roots-L list (assuming this is the group you are referring to) was
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Last week someone on this list mentioned RootsWeb (a www site). This
looked like an interesting place to look around, but after several tries,
I can't make a connection. Does anyone know what's wrong or have a
suggestion?
thanks,
phil terrie
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* "Few fully understand what the Adirondack
Philip G. Terrie * wilderness really is. It is a mystery even to
American Culture Studies * those who have crossed and recrossed it by boats
Bowling Green State Univ. * along its avenues, the lakes; and on foot
(419) 372-2785 * through its vast and silent recesses."
* --Verplanck Colvin, 1874
*******************************************************************************
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http://www.rootsweb.com/
Rootsweb is the home of the Roots-L list, much of the USGenWeb network and
most recently of the Irish Genealogical Society, Int'l
(http://www.rootsweb.com/~irish/index.html)
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On Mon, 16 Dec 1996, philip terrie wrote:
> Last week someone on this list mentioned RootsWeb (a www site). This
> looked like an interesting place to look around, but after several tries,
> I can't make a connection. Does anyone know what's wrong or have a
> suggestion?
>
> thanks,
> phil terrie
>
> *******************************************************************************
> * "Few fully understand what the Adirondack
> Philip G. Terrie * wilderness really is. It is a mystery even to
> American Culture Studies * those who have crossed and recrossed it by boats
> Bowling Green State Univ. * along its avenues, the lakes; and on foot
> (419) 372-2785 * through its vast and silent recesses."
> * --Verplanck Colvin, 1874
> *******************************************************************************
>
>
>
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>>>>> "DG" == David Godfrey <[log in to unmask]> writes:
>>>>> "PT" == philip terrie <[log in to unmask]> writes:
PT> Last week someone on this list mentioned RootsWeb (a www
PT> site). This looked like an interesting place to look around,
PT> but after several tries, I can't make a connection. Does
PT> anyone know what's wrong or have a suggestion?
DG> The Roots-L list (assuming this is the group you are referring
DG> to) was down for a couple days... You can access them through
DG> the RAND Corporation Genealogy Club, I believe..
I too noticed that the web site http://www.RootsWeb.com was down for a
while over the weekend. It is back now (Monday morning)
The mailing list ROOTS-L is how run from RootsWeb.com as are a number
of other genealogy related lists.
The RootsWeb Genealogical Data Cooperative (www.RootsWeb.com) is run
by Brian Leverich who was one of the RAND people.
-marc
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Newspapers published in the community in which the speech was given
or the communities around it may have printed it verbatim or summarized
it. Since information traveled relatively slowly at that time, you would
need to check the newspapers for at least several weeks (and maybe a
couple of months) after the date of the speech.
To find out which papers were being published in the area in 1775,
contact the NYS Newspaper Project at 518-474-7491.
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Chris:
Your suggestions re: a meeting about the undergrd. rr in NYS
is good; however, your concerns about NYS geography and getting
people together are equally correct.
As a beginning, how about a session or group of sessions at
the NYS History Conference this coming June 1997? Since many
interested people will already be at that meeting, it might be a
good place to begin to plan a "gazetteer" and map of NYS underground
sites.
Anyone on the NYS History Conference planning committee out there in
listserv land thinks this is a possibility??
jim corsaro
On Fri, 13 Dec 1996, Densmore wrote:
> Research Proposal:
>
> I want to second Kevin Cottrell's suggestion about a meeting on the
> Underground Railroad in New York State. Lots of people have bits of
> information about particular sites or areas, and I think it would be
> useful to try to begin a more systematic attempt to connect these isolated
> fragments of data into a larger picture.
>
> At the early stage, it would be useful to try to compile a master list
> (perhaps a web site) of all locations said to be part of the URR and the
> source of the attribution. Obviously documentation is scarce, and many
> sites identified by local traditions which may or may not be accurate.
> Some sites are clearly impossible (I was asked about the Hicksite Quaker
> meeting house in Buffalo as a possible site-- it wasn't, as it was built
> in 1868), and some are documented by first hand (though usually post war)
> testimony. This leaves a large number of sites where there needs to be a
> critical examination of the attributions. At least in a preliminary stage,
> it would be best, I think, to include any possible site and then work
> toward identifying which of those are proveable, possible, plausible,
> implausible and impossible.
>
> As part of this effort, I think it would be useful to create a map of New
> York State showing those locations where there was known anti-slavery
> activity or communities which may have been sympathetic to fugitives.
>
> (1) African-American Communities
> (2) Explicitly Anti-Slavery Churches
> a. Society of Friends (Quakers)
> b. Free Will Baptists
> c. Wesleyan Methodists
> d. Seventh Day Baptists
> e. other churches...
> (3) Organized Anti-Slavery
> a. branches of the American Anti-Slavery Society
> b. agents for the LIBERATOR and ANTI-SLAVERY STANDARD
> c. local abolition societies
>
>
> Part of this interest comes from following the routes of abolitionist
> lecturers through western New York via reports in the abolitionist papers.
> Often they appear to be traveling known routes where they could expect
> some support and assistance. I think I am making an assumption here that
> the URR was not in most places a highly organized affair with regular
> "service" but generally consisted of informal networks (perhaps several
> overlapping networks) that were able to assist fugitives.
>
> Part of the problem in organizing a meeting is the geography of the
> state, that is, getting people from all parts of the state into the same
> room. Buffalo is a long way from Albany and further from New York City and
> Long Island. It may be more realistic to begin by thinking regionally, and
> work towards a meeting (or some other form of sharing information) that
> would focus on central and western New York (if Western New York is
> included, it would also be important to make connections to where people
> were going on the Canadian side of the Niagara River).
>
> Christopher Densmore
> University Archives
> University at Buffalo
> 420 Capen Hall
> Box 602200
> Buffalo, New York 14260-2200
>
> Voice: 716-645-2916
> Fax: 716-645-3714
> E-Mail: [log in to unmask]
>
>
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Does anyone else see the irony in this, or have I been staring at this
computer screen too long? The whole Underground RR discussion got
started on the Internet, on a list-serv.... the very technology that allows
us to transcend the limitations of geography.
Is it a step forward to take a cyber-discussion from the Internet back to
the conference setting, with all the problems of driving time, parking,
fees, motels.....?
Sure, I understand the value of getting together face to face, but the
Internet was supposed to be democratizing..... you no longer had to have
travel funds and an extra three days to participate.
Is there a medium out here, somewhere between a list-serv and a chat
room, that would allow all of us interested in the subject to have an
electronic conference?
[The delete button is the one .......]
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NYS Museum
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Phil:
Yes, the Net can be a democratizing medium and certainly
ugrd.rr. discussions can continue on it. However, if there is going
to be a NYS History Conference meeting anyways, why not have a
session on the rr? Perhaps there could be a series of sessions on
memory and NYS history which would include a session on the myth and
reality of the rr. in NYS?
Three other reasons for suggesting the NYS History Conference.:
1. If people thought it was a good idea to meet to discuss
this topic, the Conference is already meeting and this would save
the time and expense of a special ugrd. rr meeting.
2. The Net is not always a democratic medium; plenty of people
still do not have access to it or to pcs in general.
3. I like talking to people face to face.
Cyberally yours,
A Manuscript Cyberpunk
James Corsaro
Associate Librarian
Manuscripts and Special Collections
New York State Library
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On Mon, 16 Dec 1996, Phil Lord wrote:
> Does anyone else see the irony in this, or have I been staring at this
> computer screen too long? The whole Underground RR discussion got
> started on the Internet, on a list-serv.... the very technology that allows
> us to transcend the limitations of geography.
>
> Is it a step forward to take a cyber-discussion from the Internet back to
> the conference setting, with all the problems of driving time, parking,
> fees, motels.....?
>
> Sure, I understand the value of getting together face to face, but the
> Internet was supposed to be democratizing..... you no longer had to have
> travel funds and an extra three days to participate.
>
> Is there a medium out here, somewhere between a list-serv and a chat
> room, that would allow all of us interested in the subject to have an
> electronic conference?
>
> [The delete button is the one .......]
>
> Phil Lord
> NYS Museum
> [log in to unmask]
>
>
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<fontfamily><param>Geneva</param><bigger>1755</bigger>
Apr 14
General Edward Braddock meets in Alexandria, Virginia, with the
governors of Maryland, Massachusetts, New York, North Carolina,
Pennsylvania, and Virginia, to plan strategy for attacks on French
defenses.
Sep 8 =09
English general William Johnson defeats the French at Lake George, New
York.
Sep 9 =09
A French expedition against Albany, under Ludwig August, Baron Dieskau,
is turned back by Johnson.
State
William Johnson is knighted. He is named Superintendent of Indian
Affairs by the British, establishes a headquarters near Canajoharie, on
the Mohawk, and builds Fort William Henry at the head of Lake George.
<bigger>1756</bigger>
Aug 2 =09
=46rench and Indians blockade the harbor at Fort Oswego, on Lake
Ontario.
Aug 9
=46rench forces under Marquis Montcalm capture Fort William Henry from
Colonel George Monroe's defenders.
Aug 16 =09
The French and Indians under Montcalm capture Fort Oswego and destroy
it.
<bigger>1757</bigger>
Jan 21=09
New York State pioneer Moses Van Campen is born in Hunterdon City, New
Jersey.
City
Alderman John Cruger, Jr., son of former mayor Johm Cruger, is
appointed mayor for the next ten one-year terms. ** The first colonial
art exhibit is held.
State
The approximate date that Otetiani, given the same name as a nearby
stream (Always Ready), is born at Canoga, near Waterloo; lives along
the Genesee River as an adult.
<bigger>1758</bigger>
May =09
Troops from Halifax, Nova Scotia, lead by Wolfe, Edward Boscawen and
Jeffery Amherst outnumbered 5 to 1, defeat the Americans and British
under James Abercromby, at Fort Carillon (Ticonderoga).
State
Daniel Joncaire Sieur de Chabert settles on the south bank of the
Buffalo River (Riviere aux Chevaux), site of the future Buffalo.
Pennsylvania
Mary Jemison is taken from her parents' frontier farm in Pennsylvania
by an Indian raiding party. ** The approximate year the family of
New York State pioneer Moses Van Campen moves from Hunterdon County,
New Jersey, to Northampton City.
<bigger>1759</bigger>
Apr 21 =09
Sir William Johnson, Baronet, convenes an Indian council at
Canajoharie, New York, rallies the Iroquois to attack the French at
=46ort Niagara. The Seneca, some of them from Ganuskago (Dansville),
dependent on the British for ammunition and trade goods, agree to an
alliance with them.
Jun 30 =09
Colonel John Prideaux and Sir William Johnson leave Fort Oswego by boat
to prepare the invasion of Fort Niagara.
Jul 1 =09
American, British and Indian forces embark at Oswego.
Jul 6 =09
The British under Prideaux and Johnson land four miles from Fort
Niagara. =20
Jul 7 =09
The French in Fort Niagara spot the British forces.=20
Jul 10 =09
Little Fort Niagara, an outpost, is destroyed by its French troops.
Jul 17 =09
The British begin firing on Fort Niagara.
Jul 20 =09
Prideaux is killed by an explosion; Sir William Johnson assumes
command.=20
Jul 24 =09
The British defeat French relief forces under Fran=E7ois de Ligneris
outside Fort Niagara, beat off a second party from the fort.
Jul 25 =09
The French, under Fran=E7ois Pouchot, surrender Fort Niagara to British
and colonial forces.=20
Jul 26 =09
The French abandon Ticonderoga to the British.
City
A three-story jail is built next to the almshouse in the current City
Hall Park.=20
State
Daniel Joncaire Sieur de Chabert abandons his settlement at Buffalo
Creek. ** Skenesborough (later Whitehall) is founded.
Connecticut
New York State pioneer John Beardslee is born in Sharon.
</fontfamily>
David Minor
Eagles Byte Historical Research
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716 264-0423
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Hello Phil,
Rootsweb was down for about 36 hours because of a power blowup and the
owner had to rebuild the "corner stone" computer of the server system.
It was back up and running a few hours ago, and unless something else
went wrong, it should be working now. The URL is
http://www.rootsweb.com/
Ruth Hesterly
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On Mon, 16 Dec 1996 08:59:27 -0500 (EST) philip terrie
<[log in to unmask]> writes:
>Last week someone on this list mentioned RootsWeb (a www site). This
>looked like an interesting place to look around, but after several
>tries, I can't make a connection. Does anyone know what's wrong or have
a
>suggestion?
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David,
I have been greatly interested in your many postings of New York and New
Amsterdam history. Thank you for this contribution to our knowledge. I have
saved it all for quick use and future reference.
However, I find the following item confusing. Aren't Wolfe, Boscowen and
Amherst British commanders?? And if so, how could they defeat the British
under James Abercromby?? Could you explain, please??
>1758 >May
>Troops from Halifax, Nova Scotia, lead by Wolfe, Edward Boscawen and
Jeffery Amherst outnumbered 5 to 1, defeat the Americans and British under
James Abercromby, at Fort Carillon (Ticonderoga).
Many thanks.
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<fontfamily><param>Geneva</param><smaller>Gremlins were apparently
quite busy in 1756-88, at least if you went by my last post. It was
pointed out that I had the British fighting a civil war at Ticonderoga
rather than trying to capture the fort from the French. (Although no
one picked up on it, you'll notice the date was off by a few months.)=20
Also, the year was off on Fort William Henry. My face is as red as
Rudolph's nose! Here's the corrected post. The jury will disregard the
previous testimony. Thanks for keeping me honest; I'm not trying to be
a revisionist.
</smaller><bigger>NYNY 1755-1759</bigger>
<bigger>1755</bigger><smaller>
Apr 14
General Edward Braddock meets in Alexandria, Virginia, with the
governors of Maryland, Massachusetts, New York, North Carolina,
Pennsylvania, and Virginia, to plan strategy for attacks on French
defenses.</smaller>
<smaller>Sep 8 =09
English general William Johnson defeats the French at Lake George, New
York.
Sep 9 =09
A French expedition against Albany, under Ludwig August, Baron Dieskau,
is turned back by Johnson.
State
William Johnson is knighted. He is named Superintendent of Indian
Affairs by the British, establishes a headquarters near Canajoharie, on
the Mohawk, and builds Fort William Henry at the head of Lake George.
</smaller><bigger>1756</bigger><smaller>
Aug 2 =09
=46rench and Indians blockade the harbor at Fort Oswego, on Lake
Ontario.
Aug 14 =09
The French and Indians under Montcalm capture Fort Oswego and destroy
it.
</smaller><bigger>1757</bigger><smaller>
Jan 21=09
New York State pioneer Moses Van Campen is born in Hunterdon City, New
Jersey.
Aug 9
=46rench forces under Marquis Montcalm capture Fort William Henry from
Colonel George Monro's defenders.
City
Alderman John Cruger, Jr., son of former mayor Johm Cruger, is
appointed mayor for the next ten one-year terms. ** The first colonial
art exhibit is held.
State - The approximate date that Otetiani, given the same name as a
nearby stream (Always Ready), is born at Canoga, near Waterloo; lives
along the Genesee River as an adult.
</smaller><bigger>1758</bigger><smaller>
Jul 8
Troops from Halifax, Nova Scotia, lead by James Abercromby,
outnumbering French defenders under Montcalm at Fort Carillon
(Ticonderoga) 5 to 1, are driven off.
State
Daniel Joncaire Sieur de Chabert settles on the south bank of the
Buffalo River (Riviere aux Chevaux), site of the future Buffalo.
Pennsylvania
Mary Jemison is taken from her parents' frontier farm in Pennsylvania
by an Indian raiding party. ** The approximate year the family of
New York State pioneer Moses Van Campen moves from Hunterdon County,
New Jersey, to Northampton City.
</smaller><bigger>1759</bigger><smaller>
Apr 21 =09
Sir William Johnson, Baronet, convenes an Indian council at
Canajoharie, New York, rallies the Iroquois to attack the French at
=46ort Niagara. The Seneca, some of them from Ganuskago (Dansville),
dependent on the British for ammunition and trade goods, agree to an
alliance with them.
Jun 30 =09
Colonel John Prideaux and Sir William Johnson leave Fort Oswego by boat
to prepare the invasion of Fort Niagara.
Jul 1 =09
American, British and Indian forces embark at Oswego.
Jul 6 =09
The British under Prideaux and Johnson land four miles from Fort
Niagara. =20
Jul 7 =09
The French in Fort Niagara spot the British forces.=20
Jul 10 =09
Little Fort Niagara, an outpost, is destroyed by its French troops.
Jul 17 =09
The British begin firing on Fort Niagara.
Jul 20 =09
Prideaux is killed by an explosion; Sir William Johnson assumes
command.=20
Jul 24 =09
The British defeat French relief forces under Fran=E7ois de Ligneris
outside Fort Niagara, beat off a second party from the fort.
Jul 25 =09
The French, under Fran=E7ois Pouchot, surrender Fort Niagara to British
and colonial forces.=20
Jul 26 =09
The French abandon Ticonderoga to the British.
City
A three-story jail is built next to the almshouse in the current City
Hall Park.=20
State
Daniel Joncaire Sieur de Chabert abandons his settlement at Buffalo
Creek. ** Skenesborough (later Whitehall) is founded.
Connecticut
New York State pioneer John Beardslee is born in Sharon.
</smaller></fontfamily>
David Minor
Eagles Byte Historical Research
Rochester, New York
716 264-0423
http://home.eznet.net/~dminor
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Date: Tue, 17 Dec 1996 13:37:36 EDT
Subject: the Underground Railroad & the Conference on NYS History
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I've watched with great interest the internet discussion of the
URR over the past few weeks. It's one of the great, legendary topics
in NYS history.
I recall attending a symposium at the Onondaga Historical
Association on "Jerry Rescue" a decade or so ago. But in my 21 years
with the Conference on New York State History I can't recall a paper
presented on any aspect of the subject.
The June 6-7, 1997 conference at Saratoga Springs would be a
perfect place for those interested in the URR to get together
(face to face) focused by a presentation panel (formal paper),
or a roundtable (more of a discussion), or a workshop (even more
hands-on). Any takers out there?
Anyone interested in taking part in the June meeting can buzz
me here or call (518-474-6917) and leave a message. The December
31 proposal deadline could be extended some if time is a concern.
Get involved! You might like it!
Holiday best,
Steve Bielinski
Conference Coordinator
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At 08:59 AM 12/16/96 -0500, you wrote:
>Last week someone on this list mentioned RootsWeb (a www site). This
>looked like an interesting place to look around, but after several tries,
>I can't make a connection. Does anyone know what's wrong or have a
>suggestion?
>
>thanks,
>phil terrie
>
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> * "Few fully understand what the Adirondack
> Philip G. Terrie * wilderness really is. It is a mystery even to
>American Culture Studies * those who have crossed and recrossed it by boats
>Bowling Green State Univ. * along its avenues, the lakes; and on foot
> (419) 372-2785 * through its vast and silent recesses."
> * --Verplanck Colvin, 1874
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To Whom It May Concern,
James Abercromby's forces were driven from the area around Fort
Ticoneroga in July of 1758 by the French forces under the command of General
Montcalm.
I beleive that British troops under Wolfe and Amherst defeated French
forces at Louisbourg in 1758.
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phil i happen to know alot of people who are very knowledgeable about the
topic of the underground railroad. the sad part is although these people
are living history lessons who in most cases have given their lives to
this history many don't have access to the net or this listserve. i think
the irony is...you (us) so-called professional historians can't begin to
answer the many questions surrounding this history. there is a limit to
high tech as demostrated with this subject. the real historians that i
have come across are not in front of computer screens but in the trenches.On
Mon, 16 Dec 1996, Phil Lord wrote:
> Does anyone else see the irony in this, or have I been staring at this
> computer screen too long? The whole Underground RR discussion got
> started on the Internet, on a list-serv.... the very technology that allows
> us to transcend the limitations of geography.
>
> Is it a step forward to take a cyber-discussion from the Internet back to
> the conference setting, with all the problems of driving time, parking,
> fees, motels.....?
>
> Sure, I understand the value of getting together face to face, but the
> Internet was supposed to be democratizing..... you no longer had to have
> travel funds and an extra three days to participate.
>
> Is there a medium out here, somewhere between a list-serv and a chat
> room, that would allow all of us interested in the subject to have an
> electronic conference?
>
> [The delete button is the one .......]
>
> Phil Lord
> NYS Museum
> [log in to unmask]
>
>
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i could not have said it any better. the people that i have met at these
conferences are just amazing! oral history is alive and well.On Mon, 16 Dec
1996, Jim Corsaro wrote:
>
>
>
> Phil:
>
> Yes, the Net can be a democratizing medium and certainly
> ugrd.rr. discussions can continue on it. However, if there is going
> to be a NYS History Conference meeting anyways, why not have a
> session on the rr? Perhaps there could be a series of sessions on
> memory and NYS history which would include a session on the myth and
> reality of the rr. in NYS?
>
> Three other reasons for suggesting the NYS History Conference.:
>
> 1. If people thought it was a good idea to meet to discuss
> this topic, the Conference is already meeting and this would save
> the time and expense of a special ugrd. rr meeting.
>
> 2. The Net is not always a democratic medium; plenty of people
> still do not have access to it or to pcs in general.
>
> 3. I like talking to people face to face.
>
>
> Cyberally yours,
>
>
>
> A Manuscript Cyberpunk
>
>
>
> James Corsaro
> Associate Librarian
> Manuscripts and Special Collections
> New York State Library
> Empire State Plaza
> Albany, New York 12230
> e-mail: [log in to unmask]
> (518) 474-5963
>
>
> On Mon, 16 Dec 1996, Phil Lord wrote:
>
> > Does anyone else see the irony in this, or have I been staring at this
> > computer screen too long? The whole Underground RR discussion got
> > started on the Internet, on a list-serv.... the very technology that allows
> > us to transcend the limitations of geography.
> >
> > Is it a step forward to take a cyber-discussion from the Internet back to
> > the conference setting, with all the problems of driving time, parking,
> > fees, motels.....?
> >
> > Sure, I understand the value of getting together face to face, but the
> > Internet was supposed to be democratizing..... you no longer had to have
> > travel funds and an extra three days to participate.
> >
> > Is there a medium out here, somewhere between a list-serv and a chat
> > room, that would allow all of us interested in the subject to have an
> > electronic conference?
> >
> > [The delete button is the one .......]
> >
> > Phil Lord
> > NYS Museum
> > [log in to unmask]
> >
> >
>
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steve i've working very closely with the national park service and their
just completed study on the underground railroad. i am very interested in
being part of your conference and know others from around the country who
would gladly come in as part of this conference. currently i have a
company called motherland connextions that specializes in heritage
tourism-the underground railroad in western new york and southern
ontario. during the month of november i spent a full day with u.s. news
and world reports on a story of the underground railroad coming out of
the east in new york state. the article is due out in march of 1997. i
also assisted tony cohen in his recent 400 mile journey this past summer
on the underground railroad my # is 716 278-1719 or 282-1028On Tue, 17 Dec
1996, Stefan Bielinski wrote:
> I've watched with great interest the internet discussion of the
> URR over the past few weeks. It's one of the great, legendary topics
> in NYS history.
>
> I recall attending a symposium at the Onondaga Historical
> Association on "Jerry Rescue" a decade or so ago. But in my 21 years
> with the Conference on New York State History I can't recall a paper
> presented on any aspect of the subject.
>
> The June 6-7, 1997 conference at Saratoga Springs would be a
> perfect place for those interested in the URR to get together
> (face to face) focused by a presentation panel (formal paper),
> or a roundtable (more of a discussion), or a workshop (even more
> hands-on). Any takers out there?
>
> Anyone interested in taking part in the June meeting can buzz
> me here or call (518-474-6917) and leave a message. The December
> 31 proposal deadline could be extended some if time is a concern.
>
> Get involved! You might like it!
>
> Holiday best,
> Steve Bielinski
> Conference Coordinator
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Unless I missed something, there was no mention of McGraw as a site
of underground railroad activity. As the location of New York
Central College it would seem to have been a logical place for such
activity. NYCC was founded as "Free Central College" on the principle of both
racial and gender based co-education in the late 1840's. It was supported by
abolitionists such as Garrit Smith, William LLoyd Garrison, etc. Do
none of the general accounts mention McGraw?
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The 1988 Conference on New York State History Conference at Colgate
University did, in fact, have a session titled "Black Rights and the Law
in 19th Century New York," that included a paper on the Jerry Rescue by a
then ABD at the University at Binghampton. Paul Finkelman, then at
Binghampton, also read a paper on fugitive slave issues. I chaired the
session.
The rescue and underground railroad topic remains ripe for conference
consideration, but that does not preclude continued and more developed
exchange here on the topic.
Cheers,
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On Tue, 17 Dec 1996, Stefan Bielinski wrote:
> Date: Tue, 17 Dec 1996 13:37:36 -0400 (EDT)
> From: Stefan Bielinski <[log in to unmask]>
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: the Underground Railroad & the Conference on NYS History
>
> I've watched with great interest the internet discussion of the
> URR over the past few weeks. It's one of the great, legendary topics
> in NYS history.
>
> I recall attending a symposium at the Onondaga Historical
> Association on "Jerry Rescue" a decade or so ago. But in my 21 years
> with the Conference on New York State History I can't recall a paper
> presented on any aspect of the subject.
>
> The June 6-7, 1997 conference at Saratoga Springs would be a
> perfect place for those interested in the URR to get together
> (face to face) focused by a presentation panel (formal paper),
> or a roundtable (more of a discussion), or a workshop (even more
> hands-on). Any takers out there?
>
> Anyone interested in taking part in the June meeting can buzz
> me here or call (518-474-6917) and leave a message. The December
> 31 proposal deadline could be extended some if time is a concern.
>
> Get involved! You might like it!
>
> Holiday best,
> Steve Bielinski
> Conference Coordinator
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Carol Mackey wrote:
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> Carol
>
> At 08:59 AM 12/16/96 -0500, you wrote:
> >Last week someone on this list mentioned RootsWeb (a www site). This
> >looked like an interesting place to look around, but after several tries,
> >I can't make a connection. Does anyone know what's wrong or have a
> >suggestion?
> >
> >thanks,
> >phil terrie
************************************************************************
Okay, I've tried to resist this thread, but I can't any longer.
While you are at rootsweb.com; don't forget to check out the NYGenweb
page located there: http://www.rootsweb.com/~nygenweb for such goodies
as Tryon County, Civil War medal of honor recipients, Governors of NY,
and links to every county in NYS. And always, we welcome contributions.
Kim Harris Myers
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The NYGenweb was contacted by the AP History class of Cleveland
Hill in Erie County, requesting help on a class project as
follows:
We are an Advanced Placement United States History class that is
researching a small Irish immigrant settlement in Cattaraugus
County circa 1840-1920. We have found the names of the original
founding families and are trying to compile a history of this
settlement.
See our website: Http://www.clevehill.wnyric.org
Then look for the Advanced Placement History Project.
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Thanks for any assistance you can give. I will be forwarded information
from them from time to time. Its exciting to see a group of young people
interested in history and genealogy. Let's help them out the best we can.
Kim Harris Myers NYGenWeb coordinator
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I have to also express some concern about mapping archeological areas
on the Wisconsin cultural map, which I took a peek at on the WWW. The
address given, by the way, is incorrect. It should end with culmap.htm
not cultmap\
At any rate, unless some very aggressive measures are taken to protect
these sites from relic collectors, such as signage all around the areas, or
enforcement agreements with the landowners, and unless Wisconsin
has laws making designated archeological areas protected in some way
[New York can not protect sites on private land, and I assume most other
states can do no better] this map will not only enhance heritage tourism
but pothunting as well.
There has always been this tension between education and protection
where archeological sites are concerned, be they shipwrecks, Indian
sites, historic settlements, or battlefields. There is no easy
solution...perhaps no solution at all. So professionals have tended to err
on the side of preservation and keep such locations secret, except for
certain managed sites [National Parks, etc.].
I would be interested, having worked for 20 years in this subject area, to
hear from others on all sides of the issue.
Philip Lord, Jr.
NYS Museum
Albany, NY
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I am forwarding some comments from H-LOCAL that may be of interest.
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Is it such a good idea putting these resources on a map for everyone to see
especially those people known as pothunters???
Jim Levandowski
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I have found the web page for the Wisconsin cultural map project. It
is located at:
http://feature.geography.wisc.edu/cultmap/
The page includes a sample image from the map.
Happy holidays!
Jennifer D. Brown
Historian
National Park Service/Southeast Support Office
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I have heard of some pothunting problems in Michigan over the years
and cringe whenever someone asks for information or maps of Indian sites.
Our copy of Hinsdale's Archaeological Maps for Michigan has the local
area pages cut out of them by those with pothunting
mentalities. Replacing these pages with photocopies was not successful
because they also turn up missing.
Working in a public library means supplying information to
the public so my solution is to supply persons with the address of
the History Division at Lansing. They keep current a list of
archaeological sites in the state However I believe they would
not give this information out randomly.
Many books and periodicials on the subjects of archaeological studies may
be available at libraries, and newspaper articles on new discoveries
will also be available, so pothunters will always have a source of
information, whether it be in old county histories, etc.
Anna Mae Maday
Eddy Historical & Genealogy Collection
Hoyt Public Library
505 Janes Ave
Saginaw MI 48607
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On Thu, 19 Dec 1996, Phil Lord wrote:
> I have to also express some concern about mapping archeological areas
> on the Wisconsin cultural map, which I took a peek at on the WWW. The
> address given, by the way, is incorrect. It should end with culmap.htm
> not cultmap\
>
> At any rate, unless some very aggressive measures are taken to protect
> these sites from relic collectors, such as signage all around the areas, or
> enforcement agreements with the landowners, and unless Wisconsin
> has laws making designated archeological areas protected in some way
> [New York can not protect sites on private land, and I assume most other
> states can do no better] this map will not only enhance heritage tourism
> but pothunting as well.
>
> There has always been this tension between education and protection
> where archeological sites are concerned, be they shipwrecks, Indian
> sites, historic settlements, or battlefields. There is no easy
> solution...perhaps no solution at all. So professionals have tended to err
> on the side of preservation and keep such locations secret, except for
> certain managed sites [National Parks, etc.].
>
> I would be interested, having worked for 20 years in this subject area, to
> hear from others on all sides of the issue.
>
> Philip Lord, Jr.
> NYS Museum
> Albany, NY
>
>
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Les,
Thanks for helping me update the 1750s.
I imagine you got my corrcetions regarding Ticonderoga about the time your
message went out.
As for Louisbourg, I try to confine this particular chronology to either
things that occurred in New York or pertain to people considered New
Yorkers. But it is good you posted the information; it will help round out
the F&I War era for those not too familiar with it.
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> James Abercromby's forces were driven from the area around Fort
>Ticoneroga in July of 1758 by the French forces under the command of General
>Montcalm.
> I beleive that British troops under Wolfe and Amherst defeated French
>forces at Louisbourg in 1758.
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>Les Buell [log in to unmask]
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Ray Marshall wrote:
>
> http://www.rootsweb.com/
>
> Rootsweb is the home of the Roots-L list, much of the USGenWeb network and
> most recently of the Irish Genealogical Society, Int'l
> (http://www.rootsweb.com/~irish/index.html)
>
> Ray Marshall
> Minneapolis, Minnesota
>
Fellow listers:
While surfin the web for NYS historical publications I stumbled
on a nice web site http://hopefarm.com.....
This Hope Farm Press website is designed as a low-tech, fast
loading, content-rich look at the history of New York State. It contains
nearly 300 files listing over 1400 books on all regions of New York,
with color cover pictures, excerpts from the text, reviews, etc. of the
books Hope Farm either publishes or distributes.
Mike
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Dear Fellow History lovers,
I am writing on behalf of my son's 4th grade class. Just after the New
Year his teacher has informed me that he will be studing NY State Explorers.
Both his teacher and myself were hoping some of the folks here on NYhist-l
could offer up some names of explorer who help to discover this great state.
Particularly any from Orange County.
Thanks in advance.
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Can someone help this person? Thanks-Kim.
=====
1.Who owned the Original Track of land that now the world trade Center sits on.
2. what was the selling price.
3. There is a Street in Brooklyn Called Ryerson Street. Who was it named
after and Why?
4. There was a ship nmaed the U.S.S. Ryerson who was it named after and why.
5. Seeking information on a Tablet that was placed in the Seventy-First
Regiment Armory of NY. After the Civil War. Sup. My GGG grandfather name
was the second name on the Tablet. Would anyone know where I could find
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Does anyone on the list know when and how Driggs Avenue, which courses
through the Greenpoint and Williamsburg sections of Brooklyn, got its
name?
Thanks, Kevin
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I've noticed several references lately to witches in the Dutchess,
Columbia, Rensselaer County area - but everything is from oral
tradition. Does anyone know of any primary sources - trial transcripts,
detailed tales, diaries, etc. - which mention in more detail what the
average person believed a witch did or was? Was there a difference
between the beliefs of the Dutch, Germans and English about witches?
How pervasive were these beliefs? Any references would be appreciated.
Mike
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With all the discussion lately about the Underground
Railroad, thought this might be of interest to the list.
At 09:52 PM 12/28/96 -0700, you wrote:
>"Directory of Underground Railroad Operators
>Organized by State and County"
>
>http://www2.ari.net/ugrr/ur-names.html
>
>Elaine Johnson <[log in to unmask]> <http://www.ida.net/users/elaine/genea.htm>
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<fontfamily><param>Geneva</param><smaller>1770
Jan 17 =09
British soldiers tears down New York City's liberty pole. Golden Hill
becomes the site of anti-British riots lasting two days.
Jan 19
New York City Sons of Liberty leader Alexander McDougall leads an
attack on British troops in a skirmish on Golden Hill.
=46eb 8 =09
Alexander McDougall is jailed by the British for publishing an
anti-Quartering Act broadside.
Apr 29
Alexander McDougall is released on bail by the British.
Aug 21 =09
A statue of George III is erected in New York City's Bowling Green.
Indians
The Treaty of Fort Stanwyx is ratified.
Law
New York attorney John Wells is born.
City
King's College (Columbia) awards the first two doctorates of medicine
in the North American colonies.
State
Additions are built on Newburgh's Jonathan Hasbrouck House.
1771
Apr 27
Alexander McDougall is released by the British.
City=20
A fence is erected around the Bowling Green. ** Lord Dunmore
completes his year as governor, leaves the colony. ** Sir
William Johnson begins advertising for settlers for Kingsborough, his
land along the Mohawk River.
State=20
Otetiani tells a tribal council he dreamt three times he was a sachem.
Tribal elders hesitate to make him one.
1774
=46ebruary=09
The <italic>Commerce </italic>registers in Greenock, Scotland, with 212
passengers.
=46eb 11 =09
Whitelaw and Allen write to the Scots American Company recommending a
settlement at Ryegate.
Mar 12 =09
The Seneca Indian Otetiani (Red Jacket) tells the elders that a recent
smallpox outbreak is the Great Spirit's punishment for their not
proclaiming him a sachem. He is made one and given the name Sagoyewatha
(He-Keeps-Them-Awake).
Mar 17 =09
The packet <italic>Friendship </italic>out of Philadelphia arrives in
Stornoway, Scotland, to sign on indentured servants for the colonies.
Apr 16 =09
The <italic>Commerce </italic>arrives in New York from Edinburgh with
230 passengers aboard.
Apr 22 =09
British tea is burned in New York City.
<bold>May</bold> =09
Nine men, and one family, including Robert Brock and his son Andrew,
arrive to settlein Ryegate from Scotland.
<bold>June</bold> =09
John Wetherhead advertises New York lands in the <italic>Leeds
Intelligencer</italic>,
Jun 12 =09
The <italic>Friendship , </italic>captained by Thomas Jann, arrives in
Philadelphia bringing 106 Scots immigrants, many of them indentured
servants.
Jun 30 =09
The <italic>Friendship </italic>servants are advertised in New York
newspapers.
Jul 1 =09
The new Ryegate arrivals take possession of their land claims in the
settlement.
Jul 13 =09
John Cumming arrives in New York on the <italic>George of Greenock
</italic>.
<bold>August</bold> =09
Captain Lindsay of East Greenwich, Rhode Island, returns from New York
City with new arms for town's Light Artillery company.
Aug 6 =09
Shaker movement founder Mother Ann Lee arrives in New York from
Liverpool, along with eight disciples.
<bold>October</bold> =09
William Neilson, of Erskine Parish, Scotland, arrives in Ryegate with
his family.
Oct 13 =09
The Iroquois tribes hold a council at Onondaga. Joseph Brant
(Thayendenegea), official representative of Colonel Guy Johnson, Sir
William's son-in-law and successor urges the Nation to ally itself with
the British. Red Jacket, distrusting Brant's connection with whites,
urges neutrality. No decision is reached.
Oct 20 =09
Surveyors Valentine and Collins complete a survey of the New
York-Qu=E9bec border at 74=B0 North.
<bold>November</bold>=09
Ryegate pioneer David Allen arrives back in Scotland. =20
Nov 8 =09
New York's Samuel Holland and Pennsylvania's David Rittenhouse are
appointed as commissioners to run the boundary line between their
colonies. The Revolution halts their plans.
Nov 16 =09
Westchester County Loyalist minister attacks the Continental Congress
in his <italic>Free Thoughts on the Proceedings of the Continental
Congress</italic>, signing it "Westchester Farmer".
Education
King's College Loyalist president Myles Cooper publishes the pamphlet
<italic>A Friendly Address to all Reasonable Americans</italic>,
anonymously.
Geography
The New York-New Jersey border is marked.
New Jersey
The local committee in Newark recommends a boycott of the loyalist New
York City newspaper <italic>Rivington's Gazette</italic>.
City
Local residents force a merchant to remove 16 sheep from his vessel
before permitting it to sail to the West Indies, to comply with Article
7 of the Association. ** A group of English Shakers arrive. In
two years they will move upstate to Albany County to become the
Watervliet Society.
State
Ten farms on the Blenheim Patent are sold. ** Cornplanter's son
Henry is born.</smaller></fontfamily>
David Minor
Eagles Byte Historical Research
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I am doing research on the photographer Alice Austen. Does anyone out there
have any information on this nineteenth century photographer who was born and
lived in Staten Island (1866-1952)? I have been to the Museum on SI and the
SI historical society. Right now I am hoping to locate letters that Austen
may have written to relatives and friends in the Catskill and Adirondack
areas. Also I am looking for photographs that may not be in the collections
on Staten Island. Thank you. Amy
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>I am doing research on the photographer Alice Austen. Does anyone out there
>have any information on this nineteenth century photographer who was born and
>lived in Staten Island (1866-1952)? I have been to the Museum on SI and the
>SI historical society. Right now I am hoping to locate letters that Austen
>may have written to relatives and friends in the Catskill and Adirondack
>areas. Also I am looking for photographs that may not be in the collections
>on Staten Island. Thank you. Amy
>
If you are looking for Photo's, the New York Public Library on 5th Ave and
42nd St. has a Photograph division. They go by photographer. You may wish
to try there.
Susan
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