I'm not sure about barn murals, and only remember advertising art on barns, occasional farm and family names and dates on the sides of barns or sometimes picked out in their rooftop shingles. There's a nice Welsh Pendragon on Route 12, north of Utica, and I know of some shamrocks and stuff visible elsewhere. In an urban setting, advertising art was commonplace, but folk art was rare. I know that when I was Albany County Historian, I began a project to document some of the advertising stuff on the walls of buildings in the City of Albany and even had a photo album donated by the grand-daughter of one of the artist/sign painters who painted ads. How common are the barn murals and in what context do you seem to find them? From [log in to unmask] Mon Dec 2 13:45:20 1996 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from mail1.eznet.net by unix10 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id NAA06921; Mon, 2 Dec 1996 13:45:19 -0500 Received: from [207.50.129.19] (dialup09.roc-tc1.eznet.net [207.50.129.19]) by mail1.eznet.net (8.7.3/8.6.9) with ESMTP id NAA26109; Mon, 2 Dec 1996 13:43:36 -0500 Message-Id: <v03007800aec8d2c5195f@[207.50.129.87]> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/enriched; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Mon, 2 Dec 1996 13:42:20 -0500 To: [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask] From: David Minor <[log in to unmask]> Subject: NYNY 1740-1749 content-length: 2369 <bold><fontfamily><param>Geneva</param><bigger>1740</bigger></fontfamily></b= old><fontfamily><param>Geneva</param> Jan 10 The British purchase a 20-by-30-mile tract of land on Lake Ontario's Irondequoit Bay, but do not settle it. Mar 18 The home of the Royal governor in New York City's Fort George, along with the nearby Dutch church, is destroyed by fire. <bold><bigger>1741</bigger></bold> Apr 7 Journeymen bakers go on strike in New York City, are prosecuted for criminal conspiracy. City - A plot by blacks, the Negro Plot, is uncovered. ** The city forms a volunteer firefighting company. <bold><bigger>1743</bigger></bold> Indian Captives - The approximate date Mary Jemison is born in Pennsylvania. <bold><bigger>1744</bigger></bold> City - Stephen Bayard is appointed mayor for six consecutive one-year terms. <bold><bigger>1745</bigger></bold> Dec 12 =09 U. S. Supreme Court chief justice and New York State governor John Jay is born in New York City. <bold><bigger>1747</bigger></bold> City - Edward Holland is appointed mayor for the next ten consecutive one-year terms. State - Daniel Joncaire Sieur de Chabert visits Indians in the Black Rock area. =20 Literature - William Livingston of New York, publishes <italic>Philosophic Solitude; or The Choice of a Rural Life.=20 </italic><bold><bigger>1748</bigger></bold> Albany - Swedish naturalist Peter Kalm visits the city, comments adversely on the water supply. Indians - The French found a Suplican Mission in the Ogdensburg to woo the Iroquois. <bold><bigger>1749</bigger></bold> Jan 1 =09 Hampshire Grant (Vermont) governor Benning Wentworth creates the township of Bennington, first settlement in the grant, claimed by New York State. <bold> </bold>July=09 C=E9loron de Bienville and his party, traveling across the the western part of the state, reaches Fort Niagara. They will proceed to the Ohio Valley via Chautauqua Lake, depositing lead markers at each important river mouth. Oct 17 =09 North American land office agent Paolo Busti is born in Milan, Italy. =20 State - William Johnson writes to Governor George Clinton proposing a settlement on Irondequoit Bay, to shut out the French trying to buy English land.</fontfamily> David Minor Eagles Byte Historical Research Rochester, New York 716 264-0423 http://home.eznet.net/~dminor From [log in to unmask] Tue Dec 3 16:24:10 1996 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from postoffice2.mail.cornell.edu by unix10 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id QAA08947; Tue, 3 Dec 1996 16:24:08 -0500 Received: from [132.236.102.94] (CU-DIALUP-0080.CIT.CORNELL.EDU [132.236.102.94]) by postoffice2.mail.cornell.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA28563 for <[log in to unmask]>; Tue, 3 Dec 1996 16:23:56 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 3 Dec 1996 16:23:56 -0500 (EST) X-Sender: [log in to unmask] Message-Id: <v021305060086b810daa9@[132.236.102.21]> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: [log in to unmask] From: [log in to unmask] (carol kammen) Subject: Underground Railroad in New York content-length: 2337 Tracing down, and knowing the truth about the Underground Railroad is one of the most difficult topics local historians upstate have to deal with. At the moment, there are a very handsome poster, calendar and note cards, and this spring there will be a book about the subject. I have had several conversations about the sites mentioned and in two cases, knowledgable local historians have insisted that these places were not -- not -- known stopping places. The poster shows "routes" through central and western New York. Places listed on the poster include: the W.H. Seward House, Auburn; Fairview in Big Flats; Cooper Farmhouse in Cortland; Botsford Place, in Leicester; Warrent Homestead, in Rochester; Cobblestone Farm in Canandaigua; Evergreen House, in Skaneeateles; Cobblestone Farm in Seneca Falls; W. Carman Farm, in Mecklenburg; McBurney House, Canisteo; 11 Front Street, home of Judge Farrington, in Owego;AME Zion Church in Ithaca; Capt. Throop House in Pultneyville, and Esperanza, in Yates County. There are a few other sites on the calendar and note cards. Some of these places have been challenged. Some are probably correct. For some time the history and lore and memory of the Underground Railroad in upstate NY has been of interest to me. I am interested in the facts, in places, in evidence. I am also interested in what people have believed and have wanted to beleive. I wonder if those of you on this list might be interested in discussing the UGRR in NY state. And if so, I would be interested in hearing what any of you have to say about it. I am not interested in refuting the fact of its existence; but in getting at that part of the story it is possible to document straight and making sure that what we say actually happened or is possible. For example, in my part of the state there are numerous stories about long tunnels leading to Cayuga Lake. Well: if anyone has watched the DOT dig new roadways it is obvious that long tunnels constructed for fugitives are more wish than fact. I hope this is something you care to discuss, either to the entire list or privately with me. My e-mail address is below. My appreciation to you all for considering this topic. Carol Kammen Cornell University [log in to unmask] From [log in to unmask] Wed Dec 4 10:09:25 1996 Return-Path: <Mailer-Daemon> Received: from MAIL.NYSED.GOV by unix10 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id KAA10305; Wed, 4 Dec 1996 10:09:24 -0500 Received: from SEDDOM1-Message_Server by MAIL.NYSED.GOV with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 04 Dec 1996 10:08:16 -0500 Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]> X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Wed, 04 Dec 1996 10:10:31 -0500 From: Phil Lord <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Underground Railroad in New York -Reply content-length: 2768 In my role as coordinator of highway surveys for cultural resources in the 70s and 80s, and in my research in Rensselaer County into early 19th century mill sites in the 1980s, I encountered what I am sure many have; the myth of the underground RR tunnel, usually running from the cellar of an old house to a road or creek. These supposedly served as escape routes for slaves hiding in these houses. While there may have been such constructions for that purpose somewhere, I have yet to find one confirmed around here. Most, if they can even be located and excavated, would not admit even a child, and these would have to crawl for long distances in the most confining and suffocating space, just to gain a few yards on the "posse". The one example I investigated in Rensselaer County seemed, on the face of it, the most rock-solid example [in more ways than one]. It ran about 100 feet from the cellar of an early 19th century farmhouse to the bank of a creek, where its exit could plainly be seen; about a 24x30 inch opening framed in large flat boulders. Local lore said the other end was in the basement of the house. And "everyone" knew it was part of the Underground RR. There were no historically mapped mills or other structures around that house that could explain this feature. However extensive searching of the basement failed to find any evidence of an opening anywhere in the walls. Since the tunnel was largely intact, the whole thing expertly made with boulder walls and stone lintels roofing it all over, we could map it below ground, and sent our most petite crew member in from the creek-side with a compass, and tape measure tied to her waist. At intervals she called back compass bearings and we noted distances in on the tape. The resulting map showed the tunnel arched into the front yard of the house instead of running to it directly, and [to cut the story short] later deed research and some additional archeological excavation, revealed that an un-mapped and otherwise unrecorded iron foundry had been located in the front yard, as well as a mechanics shop [also unknown to exist] in the next door yard, connected by a single power train. This tunnel, therefore, served this unknown mill complex, either as a tail race or an air shaft. Other tunnels have proved to be features associated with industry or, at least, not confirmed to have served the function reputed to them. All this is merely to suggest that this Underground RR tunnel tale seems to have had a life of its own in rural NY, and it would be really interesting to follow-up on all these stories with some solid investigation. In the process, we might end up with an even more interesting inventory of unrecorded mills. Philip Lord, Jr. NYS Museum [log in to unmask] From [log in to unmask] Wed Dec 4 14:13:13 1996 Return-Path: <Mailer-Daemon> Received: from MAIL.NYSED.GOV by unix10 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id OAA10731; Wed, 4 Dec 1996 14:13:12 -0500 Received: from SEDDOM1-Message_Server by MAIL.NYSED.GOV with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 04 Dec 1996 14:11:39 -0500 Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]> X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Wed, 04 Dec 1996 14:12:02 -0500 From: Bob Arnold <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Underground Railroad in New York -Reply content-length: 687 In Albany, we have several reputed sites of UGRR "stations", some of which are plausible. I have always heard rumors of "tunnels" and attribute these to large brick storm drains constructed here in the 91th century and occasionally brought to light during excavations since; they easily are large enough for people to walk through. Incidentally, my Quaker forbearers in Onondaga County were supposed to have been a station, in the hamlet of Warners, Town of Van Buren, and my father and uncle discovered what may have been a hiding place concealed under a stairwell in that house. Anyway, I have always been interested in the subject because of the alleged family connection with it. From [log in to unmask] Wed Dec 4 00:24:55 1996 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from emout08.mail.aol.com by unix10 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id AAA09803; Wed, 4 Dec 1996 00:24:54 -0500 From: [log in to unmask] Received: by emout08.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id AAA13220; Wed, 4 Dec 1996 00:23:34 -0500 Date: Wed, 4 Dec 1996 00:23:34 -0500 Message-ID: <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask] Subject: New Genealogy Site! content-length: 137 Check out this new genealogy site: www.enoch.com Lots of genealogy resources, databases, instructions, plus "Ask the Genealogy Lady"! From [log in to unmask] Wed Dec 4 14:17:05 1996 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from postoffice2.mail.cornell.edu by unix10 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id OAA10753; Wed, 4 Dec 1996 14:17:04 -0500 Received: from [132.236.102.18] (CU-DIALUP-0004.CIT.CORNELL.EDU [132.236.102.18]) by postoffice2.mail.cornell.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA07163 for <[log in to unmask]>; Wed, 4 Dec 1996 14:16:54 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 4 Dec 1996 14:16:54 -0500 (EST) X-Sender: [log in to unmask] Message-Id: <v021305000087ec5148f3@[132.236.102.87]> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: [log in to unmask] From: [log in to unmask] (carol kammen) Subject: Re: Underground Railroad in New York -Reply content-length: 228 Philip Lord Thanks for the wonderful tunnel story! If you stumble into any other tunnels, or hidey holes, or secret attic rooms, do let me know! All grist for my historical mill. with appreciation, carol From [log in to unmask] Wed Dec 4 14:56:59 1996 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from bastion.genevaco.com by unix10 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id OAA11096; Wed, 4 Dec 1996 14:56:56 -0500 From: [log in to unmask] Received: (from root@localhost) by bastion.genevaco.com (8.7.3/8.7.3) id MAA28348 for <[log in to unmask]>; Wed, 4 Dec 1996 12:44:31 -0800 Received: from unknown(145.92.2.7) by bastion.genevaco.com via smap (V1.3) id sma028344; Wed Dec 4 12:44:27 1996 Received: from cc:Mail by mail-gw.genevaco.com id AA849729447; Wed, 04 Dec 96 14:52:58 PST Date: Wed, 04 Dec 96 14:52:58 PST Encoding: 27 Text Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re[2]: Underground Railroad in New York -Reply content-length: 1147 In East Quoggue, on Long Island, in the house where my father was born there are bedroom closets on the third floor with three by two "secret doors". On the other side of them was a passageway that led to spaces behind the gables.All the passageways connected in the center. As kids visiting Grandma, we loved to crawl through them. We never found any treasures, though, just old comic books from the forties and my grandfathers coast guard uniform. No railroad, though. On a similar vein, does anyone know about the "secret tunnel" underneath the Pierre hotel that John Kennedy supposedly slipped Marilyn Monroe in and out of? ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: Underground Railroad in New York -Reply Author: [log in to unmask] at Internet Date: 12/4/96 11:48 AM Philip Lord Thanks for the wonderful tunnel story! If you stumble into any other tunnels, or hidey holes, or secret attic rooms, do let me know! All grist for my historical mill. with appreciation, carol From [log in to unmask] Wed Dec 4 15:16:27 1996 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from x7.boston.juno.com by unix10 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id PAA11291; Wed, 4 Dec 1996 15:16:26 -0500 Received: (from [log in to unmask]) by x7.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id PyG13554; Wed, 04 Dec 1996 15:15:26 EST To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: Underground Railroad in New York Message-ID: <[log in to unmask]> References: <v021305060086b810daa9@[132.236.102.21]> X-Mailer: Juno 1.15 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0,7-11,13-14,16-17,19-20,22-24 From: [log in to unmask] (Ruth E Hesterly) Date: Wed, 04 Dec 1996 15:15:26 EST content-length: 1130 Hello Carol, I grew up in Delevan and currently live in Buffalo. There is a historical story in Delevan (I don't know if it was or can be proven) that escaped slaves used to ride in the cargo cars of the Buffalo Erie and Ohio Rail Road and jump out just inside the village line and spend the night in a sub cellar of one of the two hotels in town. One of these hotels was torn down, but the other still stands and does have what appears to have been a sub cellar at one time. Ruth Hesterly [log in to unmask] On Tue, 3 Dec 1996 16:23:56 -0500 (EST) [log in to unmask] (carol kammen) writes: >Tracing down, and knowing the truth about the Underground Railroad >is one of the most difficult topics local historians upstate have to deal with. >At the moment, there are a very handsome poster, calendar and note >cards, and this spring there will be a book about the subject. I have had >several conversations about the sites mentioned and in two cases, >knowledgable local historians have insisted that these places were not -- >not -- known stopping places. The poster shows "routes" through central >and western New York. From [log in to unmask] Wed Dec 4 16:06:53 1996 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from destrier.acsu.buffalo.edu by unix10 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id QAA11368; Wed, 4 Dec 1996 16:06:45 -0500 Received: from localhost (densmore@localhost) by destrier.acsu.buffalo.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) with SMTP id QAA01234 for <[log in to unmask]>; Wed, 4 Dec 1996 16:06:13 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 4 Dec 1996 16:06:09 -0500 (EST) From: Densmore <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: Underground Railroad in New York -Reply In-Reply-To: <[log in to unmask]> Message-ID: <[log in to unmask]> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII content-length: 834 In Buffalo, the Michigan Avenue Baptist Church (an early African-American Church) has what is described as a tunnel leaving from the basement which it is claimed was used to get fugitive slaves out of the church if needed. Frankly, I'm skeptical about all tunnels, though certainly members of the Michigan Avenue Church were involved in aiding fugitive slaves. The story I'm REALLY skeptical about is one that there is (or was) a tunnel leading from the Niagara River to a house further up the bank-- on the Canadian side. What good such a fixture would do to for a fugitive who had already gotten across the Niagara River is beyond me. Christopher Densmore University Archives University at Buffalo 420 Capen Hall Box 602200 Buffalo, New York 14260-2200 Voice: 716-645-2916 Fax: 716-645-3714 E-Mail: [log in to unmask] From [log in to unmask] Wed Dec 4 16:21:23 1996 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from postoffice2.mail.cornell.edu by unix10 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id QAA11396; Wed, 4 Dec 1996 16:21:22 -0500 Received: from [132.236.102.67] (CU-DIALUP-0053.CIT.CORNELL.EDU [132.236.102.67]) by postoffice2.mail.cornell.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA08391 for <[log in to unmask]>; Wed, 4 Dec 1996 16:21:14 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 4 Dec 1996 16:21:14 -0500 (EST) X-Sender: [log in to unmask] Message-Id: <v0213050100880cf18d0a@[132.236.102.18]> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: [log in to unmask] From: [log in to unmask] (carol kammen) Subject: Re[2]: Underground Railroad in New York -Reply content-length: 207 JohnCulver Thanks for the Long Island story. My grandfather's house has a similar passage leading to a room behind the chimney. The house was built in the 1920s, however! Carol Kammen From [log in to unmask] Thu Dec 5 00:48:47 1996 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from freenet.buffalo.edu by unix10 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id AAA12577; Thu, 5 Dec 1996 00:48:46 -0500 Received: (from ca472@localhost) by freenet.buffalo.edu (8.7.4/8.7.3) id AAA02756; Thu, 5 Dec 1996 00:48:38 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 5 Dec 1996 00:48:36 -0500 (EST) From: Kevin Cottrell Kevin Cottrell <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: Underground Railroad in New York In-Reply-To: <v021305060086b810daa9@[132.236.102.21]> Message-ID: <[log in to unmask]> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII content-length: 2964 i am also a local historian interested in the topic. we have an historic preservation project in the buffalo ny area. a church call the michigan baptist church- the oldest property ouwned occupied and operated by african american in western ny, dating back to 1842 and a know site also listed on the state and national register. i would love to talk more on this with you. this weekend i will be at a underground railroad summit in columbus ohio speaking on the topic.On Tue, 3 Dec 1996, carol kammen wrote: > Tracing down, and knowing the truth about the Underground Railroad > is one of the most difficult topics local historians upstate have to deal > with. > > At the moment, there are a very handsome poster, calendar and note > cards, and this spring there will be a book about the subject. I have had > several conversations about the sites mentioned and in two cases, > knowledgable local historians have insisted that these places were not -- > not -- known stopping places. The poster shows "routes" through central > and western New York. > > Places listed on the poster include: the W.H. Seward House, > Auburn; Fairview in Big Flats; Cooper Farmhouse in Cortland; Botsford > Place, in Leicester; Warrent Homestead, in Rochester; Cobblestone Farm in > Canandaigua; Evergreen House, in Skaneeateles; Cobblestone Farm in Seneca > Falls; W. Carman Farm, in Mecklenburg; McBurney House, Canisteo; 11 Front > Street, home of Judge Farrington, in Owego;AME Zion Church in Ithaca; Capt. > Throop House in Pultneyville, and Esperanza, in Yates County. > > There are a few other sites on the calendar and note cards. Some > of these places have been challenged. Some are probably correct. > > For some time the history and lore and memory of the Underground > Railroad in upstate NY has been of interest to me. I am interested in the > facts, in places, in evidence. I am also interested in what people have > believed and have wanted to beleive. > > I wonder if those of you on this list might be interested in > discussing the UGRR in NY state. And if so, I would be interested in > hearing what any of you have to say about it. I am not interested in > refuting the fact of its existence; but in getting at that part of the > story it is possible to document straight and making sure that what we say > actually happened or is possible. > > For example, in my part of the state there are numerous stories > about long tunnels leading to Cayuga Lake. Well: if anyone has watched > the DOT dig new roadways it is obvious that long tunnels constructed for > fugitives are more wish than fact. > > I hope this is something you care to discuss, either to the entire > list or privately with me. My e-mail address is below. My appreciation to > you all for considering this topic. > > Carol Kammen > > Cornell University > [log in to unmask] > > > > > ### From [log in to unmask] Thu Dec 5 01:07:17 1996 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from freenet.buffalo.edu by unix10 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id BAA12602; Thu, 5 Dec 1996 01:07:16 -0500 Received: (from ca472@localhost) by freenet.buffalo.edu (8.7.4/8.7.3) id BAA03302; Thu, 5 Dec 1996 01:07:07 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 5 Dec 1996 01:07:06 -0500 (EST) From: Kevin Cottrell Kevin Cottrell <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask] cc: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: Underground Railroad in New York -Reply In-Reply-To: <v021305000087ec5148f3@[132.236.102.87]> Message-ID: <[log in to unmask]> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII content-length: 1403 carol i made a mistake. please share my previous reply to you with all on this listing. i would really like to keep this dialog going. i am currently working with the national park service with the promotin of the underground and the completion of their national study. i have also worked with noted historian and author charles l. blockson of the blockson collection at temple university. i have also consulted with tony cohen the maryland historian who just recently just completed his 400 mile walk from maryland coming through western ny on his way to canada. he was featured in the october edition smithsoian magazine. back in 1993 a groups of us did a 15 city 18 day tour along the ole harriet tubman trail coming out of atlanta ga. to st. catharines ont. traveling along the eastern seaboard stopping at sites related to to the underground. i also started a company called motherland connextions that specializes in heritage tourism, specific to the underground railroad. my name is kevin cottrell pob 176 bridge st. niagara falls ny 14305 (716) 282-1028 [log in to unmask] On Wed, 4 Dec 1996, carol kammen wrote: > > Philip Lord > > Thanks for the wonderful tunnel story! If you stumble into any > other tunnels, or hidey holes, or secret attic rooms, do let me know! All > grist for my historical mill. > with appreciation, carol > > > ### From [log in to unmask] Thu Dec 5 08:05:25 1996 Return-Path: <Mailer-Daemon> Received: from MAIL.NYSED.GOV by unix10 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id IAA12819; Thu, 5 Dec 1996 08:05:24 -0500 Received: from SEDDOM1-Message_Server by MAIL.NYSED.GOV with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 05 Dec 1996 08:04:15 -0500 Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]> X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Thu, 05 Dec 1996 08:04:53 -0500 From: Vicki Weiss <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask] Subject: NYS Newspaper Project receives $500 for microfilming content-length: 2620 JOSEPH F. SHUBERT GIVES $500 VELMA K. MOORE AWARD TO MICROFILM NEW YORK STATE NEWSPAPERS WILL HELP FRIENDS OF THE NEW YORK STATE NEWSPAPER PROJECT RAISE $100,000 TO CELEBRATE MICROFILMING OF 1 MILLION PAGES OF HISTORY Joseph F. Shubert, New York State Librarian Emeritus, has donated the $500 awarded to him by the New York State Association of Library Boards (NYSALB) to help preserve New York State newspapers for future generations. NYSALB honored Shubert in October for his service to New York's public libraries and library trustees with the Velma K. Moore Award. The award included a citation and $500 for a library project or service of his choice. Ms. Vicki Weiss, President of the Friends of the New York State Newspaper Project, said that Shubert's gift helps launch a drive to raise $100,000 for preservation microfilming of New York State newspapers by May 1997. She said that the drive will mark the microfilming of the one-millionth page of New York State history contained in newspapers. Shubert said that this use of the Moore Award funds will benefit every library and library user in the State because "newspapers are basic to New York's history and their preservation is important to every reference librarian and school library media specialist." Weiss urged librarians and library users to join the Friends and make "special microfilming gifts" of $30 to advance the project. Since 1991, the Project has microfilmed over 800,000 newspaper pages. Some 200 historical societies, libraries, museums, publishers and private collectors have donated or loaned runs of over 250 newspapers to be microfilmed. Microfilm copies are available at local libraries through interlibrary loan. Locations are available in the OCLC database. The Friends $100,000 drive is expected to culmintate early next summer and coincide with the Project's anticipated "millionth page." The project will also celebrate its tenth anniversary as a member of the United States Newspaper Program, a national effort to locate and preserve newspapers. The national program, which began in 1983, is sponsored jointly by the National Endowment for the Humanities and the Library of Congress. The New York State Library works with the two national sponsors and regional groups to complete the inventory, cataloging and preservation in New York State. To contribute to the microfilm drive, send a check or money order to The Friends of the NYS Newspaper Project, P.O. Box 2402, Albany, NY 12220. For more information contact Vicki Weiss, President, Friends of the New York State Newspaper Project, [log in to unmask] From [log in to unmask] Thu Dec 5 08:10:19 1996 Return-Path: <Mailer-Daemon> Received: from MAIL.NYSED.GOV by unix10 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id IAA12852; Thu, 5 Dec 1996 08:10:18 -0500 Received: from SEDDOM1-Message_Server by MAIL.NYSED.GOV with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 05 Dec 1996 08:09:09 -0500 Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]> X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Thu, 05 Dec 1996 08:09:43 -0500 From: Vicki Weiss <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Background info on NYS Newspaper Project and USNP content-length: 4037 BACKGROUND INFORMATION ON THE NEW YORK STATE NEWSPAPER PROJECT AND THE FRIENDS OF THE NEW YORK STATE NEWSPAPER PROJECT Saving Newspapers and Saving Community History When the first Women?s Rights Convention was held in Seneca Falls in 1848, New York State newspapers were there. During the War of the Rebellion (now known as the Civil War), New York State newspapers printed battle accounts, letters from soldiers at the front and editorials on the reasons why the war was necessary. New York State newspapers provided first-hand accounts of what New Yorkers saw and did at the Centennial, Columbian and Pan-American expositions. In addition to coverage of stories of a national importance, New York State newspapers covered the state fair and county fairs, Fourth of July celebrations, the construction of houses, office buildings and town halls that now are candidates for the National Historic Landmark listing, and the births, marriages and deaths of the great and the not-so-great. New York State newspapers carry the town gossip that becomes community history. The New York State Newspaper Project is trying to save that history and make it available to all New Yorkers. To date the NYSNP has saved over 800,000 pages of New York State history by microfilming the brittle pages that contain stories of the first time an automobile drove through town or a stunt flyer performed or electricity was used to light the interiors of buildings. The NYSNP began surveying the holdings of historical societies, libraries, museums and newspaper publishers in 1987. Surveys of newspaper holdings in 55 of the state?s 62 counties have been completed. Survey work currently is being conducted in Nassau and Suffolk counties. Information about each paper located, including a list of the issues held by various repositories, is entered into OCLC, a national database that is available at most larger libraries across the state.. Thus, if you want to know if there still exist issues of a newspaper that was published in Silver Creek in the 1870s, a search on the OCLC database will tell you who has what. Microfilming of historically important newspapers - that is, papers historically important to cities, towns, villages and towns throughout the state - began in 1991. Over 200 historical societies, libraries, museums, newspaper publishers and private collectors have donated or loaned runs of over 250 newspapers to the Project to be microfilmed. Copies of all newspapers filmed since 1991 - and all microfilmed newspapers held by the State Library that were in the Library?s collection prior to 1991- are available to you at your local library through interlibrary loan Microfilming currently is being done in 30 counties. The Project expects to film its 1,000,000th page early next summer, coinciding with the celebration of its tenth anniversary as a member of the United States Newspaper Program (USNP), a national effort to locate newspapers and preserve them on microfilm which began in 1983. To help commemorate that momentous event, the Friends of the NYS Newspaper Project recently inaugurated a drive to raise $100,000 by May 1997 for preservation microfilming of New York State newspapers. To date the Friends has raised over $25,000 for newspaper microfilming through membership dues, donations, foundation grants and sales of collections of recipes, puzzles and Civil War maps and letters compiled from New York newspapers. The USNP is sponsored jointly by the National Endowment for the Humanities and the Library of Congress. The New York State Library is the statewide coordinator of the NYSNP regional projects and provides management and quality control for the technical work of inventory, cataloging and preservation Federal grant funds from the National Endowment for the Humanities cover the cost of the statewide inventory and partially cover preservation microfilming. For more information, contact the Friends of the NYS Newspaper Project, P.O. Box 2402, Albany, NY 12220 or [log in to unmask] From [log in to unmask] Thu Dec 5 11:21:15 1996 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from VAXC.HOFSTRA.EDU by unix10 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id LAA13898; Thu, 5 Dec 1996 11:21:14 -0500 Received: from vaxc.hofstra.edu by vaxc.hofstra.edu (PMDF V5.0-6 #15259) id <[log in to unmask]> for [log in to unmask]; Thu, 05 Dec 1996 11:20:32 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 05 Dec 1996 11:20:32 -0400 (EDT) From: "NATALIE A. NAYLOR" <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: Underground Railroad in New York To: [log in to unmask] Message-id: <[log in to unmask]> X-VMS-To: IN%"[log in to unmask]" MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT content-length: 1390 There are several sites on Long Island which have a tradition of being stops on the underground railroad--a house in Manhasset or Port Washington and St. David's A.M.E. Church in Eastville (Sag Harbor) and perhaps others. Mary Feeney Vahey at the Cow Neck Peninsula Historical Society (336 Port Washington Blvd, Port Washington, NY 11050;516-365-9074) has been researching this in her area and my Hofstra colleague Ellen Lewis ([log in to unmask]) has written a play an underground railroad stop in Eastville. Ellen is interested in any information on water routes (Sag Harbor port specifically). Ellen has shown me information that the National Park Service has been accumulating on the Underground Railroad, e.g. an article in "CRM" Dept of Interior Cultural Resource Mangement publication, v. 19#2, 1996, by Sharon Brown and Barbara Tagger, "The Underground Railroad: A Study in Heroism." Barbara Tagger is a historian with the NPS in Atlanta Ga (75 Spring St, Room 1020; 404-331-6131; fax 404-730-9487 and a summary of the NPS report "exploring options for preserving, commemorating historic underground railroad" may be on the NPS: http://www.nps.gov/undergroundrr/. The Long Island Studies Institute at Hofstra has a unidentified typescript with an undocumented map of underground railroad routes on Long Island. Natalie Naylor, Hofstra University [log in to unmask] From [log in to unmask] Thu Dec 5 13:58:34 1996 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from postoffice2.mail.cornell.edu by unix10 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id NAA14171; Thu, 5 Dec 1996 13:58:33 -0500 Received: from [132.236.102.30] (CU-DIALUP-0016.CIT.CORNELL.EDU [132.236.102.30]) by postoffice2.mail.cornell.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA10285 for <[log in to unmask]>; Thu, 5 Dec 1996 13:58:24 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 5 Dec 1996 13:58:24 -0500 (EST) X-Sender: [log in to unmask] Message-Id: <v021305010089386c6324@[132.236.102.61]> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: [log in to unmask] From: [log in to unmask] (carol kammen) Subject: Re: Underground Railroad in New York content-length: 206 Ruth Thanks for the addition. I will follow up on what I can. I also understand that there is a graduate student in Maryland doing something about the ugrr. with appreciation, carol From [log in to unmask] Thu Dec 5 13:58:42 1996 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from postoffice2.mail.cornell.edu by unix10 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id NAA14189; Thu, 5 Dec 1996 13:58:40 -0500 Received: from [132.236.102.30] (CU-DIALUP-0016.CIT.CORNELL.EDU [132.236.102.30]) by postoffice2.mail.cornell.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA10321 for <[log in to unmask]>; Thu, 5 Dec 1996 13:58:28 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 5 Dec 1996 13:58:28 -0500 (EST) X-Sender: [log in to unmask] Message-Id: <v02130502008938be7688@[132.236.102.61]> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: [log in to unmask] From: [log in to unmask] (carol kammen) Subject: Re: Underground Railroad in New York -Reply content-length: 355 Christopher Densmore Thanks for the additional tunnel stories. I can't understand why they are so prevelent but there they are! And all over the state. I have run into the Michigan Avenue Baptist Church frequently. I will certainly look into its history. Thanks so much for the addition. with appreciation, carol kammen From [log in to unmask] Thu Dec 5 13:58:48 1996 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from postoffice2.mail.cornell.edu by unix10 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id NAA14206; Thu, 5 Dec 1996 13:58:47 -0500 Received: from [132.236.102.30] (CU-DIALUP-0016.CIT.CORNELL.EDU [132.236.102.30]) by postoffice2.mail.cornell.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA10432 for <[log in to unmask]>; Thu, 5 Dec 1996 13:58:37 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 5 Dec 1996 13:58:37 -0500 (EST) X-Sender: [log in to unmask] Message-Id: <v021305030089399baa83@[132.236.102.61]> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: [log in to unmask] From: [log in to unmask] (carol kammen) Subject: Re: Underground Railroad in New York -Reply content-length: 244 Kevin Thanks so much for your comments. Your activities are of great interest to me as I am looking in particular at what we say about the ugrr and how we celebrate it. Do keep me posted. with appreciation, carol kammen From [log in to unmask] Fri Dec 6 01:12:16 1996 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from emout11.mail.aol.com by unix10 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id BAA15389; Fri, 6 Dec 1996 01:12:15 -0500 From: [log in to unmask] Received: by emout11.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id BAA09493 for [log in to unmask]; Fri, 6 Dec 1996 01:12:10 -0500 Date: Fri, 6 Dec 1996 01:12:10 -0500 Message-ID: <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Symon Schermerhorn's Ride content-length: 438 I am hoping that someone who subscribes to this list will be able to tell me how to obtain a photograph or some sort of reasonable facsimile of the tablet I have heard is in the wall of the Railroad Station in Albany, New York that commemorates "Symon Schermerhorn's Ride." The tablet is located at what is thought to be the site of the Old North Gate of the village. I can be reached at: [log in to unmask] Brenda Whelply Houston, Texas From [log in to unmask] Fri Dec 6 09:37:03 1996 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from vivanet.com by unix10 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id JAA15689; Fri, 6 Dec 1996 09:37:02 -0500 Received: from estral.vivanet.com (ipal243.vivanet.com [206.25.244.243]) by vivanet.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA08443 for <[log in to unmask]>; Fri, 6 Dec 1996 09:41:03 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <[log in to unmask]> Date: Wed, 04 Dec 1996 20:06:13 -0500 From: jmyers <[log in to unmask]> X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Tryon County NY page References: <[log in to unmask]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit content-length: 443 I would like to announce the unveiling of the Tryon County NY (genweb) page at http://www.rootsweb.com/~nytryon/ . While this is part of the NYGenweb project, Tryon is a unique county, which is more significant historically speaking than in the number of ancestors that actually were born or died there. Please take a minute to visit this fine page, and email George or Joyce with your comments, or if you have information to share. Thanks From [log in to unmask] Fri Dec 6 21:06:16 1996 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from marlo.eagle.ca by unix10 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id VAA17292; Fri, 6 Dec 1996 21:06:14 -0500 Received: from dialin34.eagle.ca (dialin34.eagle.ca [206.186.165.173]) by marlo.eagle.ca (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id VAA04877 for <[log in to unmask]>; Fri, 6 Dec 1996 21:11:40 -0500 Date: Fri, 6 Dec 1996 21:11:40 -0500 Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]> X-Sender: [log in to unmask] X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: [log in to unmask] From: [log in to unmask] (Ruth Harper) Subject: Re: Tryon County NY content-length: 259 Hello, Can you, please, tell me where Tryon Co., NY is?? I have an Atlas the gives the counties in all American states but TRYON is not listed as a county in N.Y.S. Has it been renamed?? Thanks for the info. Ruth (Pigott) Harper [log in to unmask] From [log in to unmask] Sat Dec 7 17:47:52 1996 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from andorra.it.earthlink.net by unix10 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id RAA18477; Sat, 7 Dec 1996 17:47:51 -0500 Received: from 153.35.236.192 (Cust64.Max7.San-Francisco.CA.MS.UU.NET [153.35.236.192]) by andorra.it.earthlink.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA26209 for <[log in to unmask]>; Sat, 7 Dec 1996 14:47:35 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <[log in to unmask]> Date: Wed, 04 Dec 1996 20:01:28 -0800 From: Simira Tobias <[log in to unmask]> Reply-To: [log in to unmask] X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: Underground Railroad in New York References: <v021305060086b810daa9@[132.236.102.21]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit content-length: 3200 carol kammen wrote: > > Tracing down, and knowing the truth about the Underground Railroad > is one of the most difficult topics local historians upstate have to deal > with. > > At the moment, there are a very handsome poster, calendar and note > cards, and this spring there will be a book about the subject. I have had > several conversations about the sites mentioned and in two cases, > knowledgable local historians have insisted that these places were not -- > not -- known stopping places. The poster shows "routes" through central > and western New York. > > Places listed on the poster include: the W.H. Seward House, > Auburn; Fairview in Big Flats; Cooper Farmhouse in Cortland; Botsford > Place, in Leicester; Warrent Homestead, in Rochester; Cobblestone Farm in > Canandaigua; Evergreen House, in Skaneeateles; Cobblestone Farm in Seneca > Falls; W. Carman Farm, in Mecklenburg; McBurney House, Canisteo; 11 Front > Street, home of Judge Farrington, in Owego;AME Zion Church in Ithaca; Capt. > Throop House in Pultneyville, and Esperanza, in Yates County. > > There are a few other sites on the calendar and note cards. Some > of these places have been challenged. Some are probably correct. > > For some time the history and lore and memory of the Underground > Railroad in upstate NY has been of interest to me. I am interested in the > facts, in places, in evidence. I am also interested in what people have > believed and have wanted to beleive. > > I wonder if those of you on this list might be interested in > discussing the UGRR in NY state. And if so, I would be interested in > hearing what any of you have to say about it. I am not interested in > refuting the fact of its existence; but in getting at that part of the > story it is possible to document straight and making sure that what we say > actually happened or is possible. > > For example, in my part of the state there are numerous stories > about long tunnels leading to Cayuga Lake. Well: if anyone has watched > the DOT dig new roadways it is obvious that long tunnels constructed for > fugitives are more wish than fact. > > I hope this is something you care to discuss, either to the entire > list or privately with me. My e-mail address is below. My appreciation to > you all for considering this topic. > > Carol Kammen > > Cornell University > [log in to unmask] Appreciated your inquiry. My beginning efforts in genealogy research has led me to one David Ruggles. He is said to have assisted Frederick Douglas in his escape to freedom. Ruggles founded an abolitionist organization called the NY Vigilance Committee in 1835 after a rash of kidnapping of free Blacks from New York. His close associates were Philip A. Bell and Dr. James McCune Smith. According to McFreely's bilography of Douglas, Douglas was taken to Ruggles, who sheltered him at his home on the corner of Lipensdard and Chruch Streets. While residing with Ruggles, he was reunited with Anna and they were married there. If in your search, you come across any further information on Ruggles, please share it with me. Thanks. From [log in to unmask] Sat Dec 7 21:01:18 1996 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from freenet.npiec.on.ca by unix10 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id VAA18644; Sat, 7 Dec 1996 21:01:16 -0500 Received: from NiagaraNet.npiec.on.ca by freenet.npiec.on.ca via ESMTP (950911.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH825/940406.SGI) for <[log in to unmask]> id UAA23826; Sat, 7 Dec 1996 20:51:29 -0500 Received: from localhost (ntreanor@localhost) by NiagaraNet.npiec.on.ca (8.6.13/8.7.6) with SMTP id UAA45724 for <[log in to unmask]>; Sat, 7 Dec 1996 20:51:29 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: NiagaraNet.npiec.on.ca: ntreanor owned process doing -bs Date: Sat, 7 Dec 1996 20:51:29 -0500 (EST) From: Nicholas Treanor <[log in to unmask]> Reply-To: Nicholas Treanor <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask] Subject: can anyone put a date on this? In-Reply-To: <[log in to unmask]> Message-ID: <[log in to unmask]> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII content-length: 722 Hi, nyhist-listers! I've been asked if the New York History list (about which I've been bragging to friends) would be of any help with the following. Can anyone out there help determine the date of a publication, a portion of which was found at the back of a picture. It is _The New York FIRESTONE COMPANION_, self-described as "A Journal of Instructive A..."(the rest is missing) Vol.XLVIL George Munro, Proprietor 17 to 27 Vandewater Street season's greetings, Nick. Nicholas Haynes Treanor { St. Catharines, Ontario, Canada } Life is an adventure, { not a guided tour [log in to unmask] } From [log in to unmask] Sat Dec 7 23:43:00 1996 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from buffnet1.buffnet.net by unix10 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id XAA18987; Sat, 7 Dec 1996 23:42:59 -0500 Received: from eppp51.buffnet.net by buffnet1.buffnet.net id aa14707; 7 Dec 96 23:52 EST Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]> X-Sender: [log in to unmask] X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 07 Dec 1996 23:41:41 -0500 To: [log in to unmask] From: Linda Nebrich Beilein <[log in to unmask]> Subject: UNDERGROUND RAILROAD content-length: 600 Possibly this tidbit might help in the research. In Townline, New York (between Lancaster and Alden) on Route 20 at Townline Road is Truman Square. Townline left the Union during the Civil War and only rejoined in 1949. There is a plaque on the corner giving all the historical details. It was known also to have an underground railroad with tunnels between about 8 houses on the road. It is a very tiny four corner town with a general store, gas station, the Townline Hotel - which used to be a stage coach stop. Linda Nebrich Beilein [log in to unmask] http://www.buffnet.net/~lbeilein From [log in to unmask] Sun Dec 8 21:04:47 1996 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from PigsEye.Kennesaw.EDU by unix10 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id VAA19905; Sun, 8 Dec 1996 21:04:46 -0500 Received: from localhost (jwillis@localhost) by PigsEye.Kennesaw.EDU (8.8.3/8.8.3) with SMTP id VAA17414 for <[log in to unmask]>; Sun, 8 Dec 1996 21:04:43 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 8 Dec 1996 21:04:43 -0500 (EST) From: Jim Willis <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Help re: hotel in Orange County Message-ID: <[log in to unmask]> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII content-length: 645 I am currently conducting research that has led me to a hotel that once existed in Orange County, NY> From what I can gather, the hotel was in operation during the 1800s until possibly 1900-1910. It was called either The Wayside Inn (rather common name) or The Seven Springs Mountain House. It was allegedly built and operated by the DAVISON family. Any information would be appreciated, as well as acknowledged. I am also interested in finding out which railroad lines would have been running through Monroe, NY during that time. The lines ran from Newburgh through Monroe. Thanks in advance, jim From [log in to unmask] Mon Dec 9 08:24:51 1996 Return-Path: <Mailer-Daemon> Received: from MAIL.NYSED.GOV by unix10 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id IAA20726; Mon, 9 Dec 1996 08:24:50 -0500 Received: from SEDDOM1-Message_Server by MAIL.NYSED.GOV with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 09 Dec 1996 08:23:46 -0500 Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]> X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Mon, 09 Dec 1996 08:24:19 -0500 From: Bob Arnold <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Symon Schermerhorn's Ride -Reply content-length: 716 I know of no such plaque. In the late 1680s, the North Gate of the stockade would have been not so far from the former Union Station, now a bank headquarters, but I am unaware of any plaque there. During Albany's city bicentennial in 1886 several bronze plaques were mounted around town and there may have been one for Schermerhorn's heroic ride. Several plaques were at one time mounted on a fountain in front of the Delaware & Hudson RR station, but fountain and plaques are gone, removed when the SUNY system took the station as its headquarters. The plaques could have been remounted somewhere I've not seen. I suggest you try the Albany Institute of History and Art at 125 Washington Avenue, Albany, NY 12210. From [log in to unmask] Mon Dec 9 09:59:36 1996 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from portal.dx.net by unix10 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id JAA21346; Mon, 9 Dec 1996 09:59:34 -0500 From: [log in to unmask] Received: from cityusa.com (cityusa.net [206.162.41.2]) by portal.dx.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA24522 for <[log in to unmask]>; Mon, 9 Dec 1996 10:04:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from [206.162.41.136] by cityusa.com id 4f770.wrk; Mon, 9 Dec 1996 09:59:46 EDT Message-ID: <[log in to unmask]> Date: Mon, 09 Dec 1996 09:58:14 -0500 X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: Tryon County NY References: <[log in to unmask]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit content-length: 751 [log in to unmask] wrote: > > Hello, > > Can you, please, tell me where Tryon Co., NY is?? I have an Atlas the gives > the counties in all American states but TRYON is not listed as a county in > N.Y.S. > > Has it been renamed?? Thanks for the info. > > Ruth (Pigott) Harper [log in to unmask] > Ruth, Tryon county existed for only twelve years. 1772-1884 and was renamed Montgomery Cty just after the Revolution. The huge area covered most of the Mohawk Valley, Central and Western NY State. 37 counties were created over the next several decades from the area that was Tryon County.Many references to Tryon can be found in Revolutionary War histories. Sincerely, George Morris http://www.rootsweb.com/~nytryon/index.html From [log in to unmask] Mon Dec 9 12:05:08 1996 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from valley.vlc.lib.mi.us by unix10 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id MAA21713; Mon, 9 Dec 1996 12:05:05 -0500 Received: by valley.vlc.lib.mi.us; (5.65v3.2/1.1.8.2/06Oct95-1028AM) id AA04806; Mon, 9 Dec 1996 12:06:04 -0500 Date: Mon, 9 Dec 1996 12:06:04 -0500 (EST) From: Anna Mae Maday <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask] Subject: trade goods Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII content-length: 649 Again thanks to those who contributed information about trade silver and medals. For others who might be interested in this subject: >From the archaeological community I learned of a book by Martha Wilson Hamilton "Silver in the fur trade 1680-1820" published in the 1990's. It has information about the medals that were discussed here, as well as many others discovered in archaeological finds or located in various museums. An interesting source that I was successful in obtaining on interlibrary loan. Anna Mae Maday Eddy Historical & Genealogy Collection Hoyt Public Library 505 Janes Ave Saginaw MI 48607 [log in to unmask] 517-755-9827 From [log in to unmask] Mon Dec 9 13:05:45 1996 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from firedragon.com by unix10 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id NAA21807; Mon, 9 Dec 1996 13:05:43 -0500 Received: (from kap@localhost) by firedragon.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) id KAA01052; Mon, 9 Dec 1996 10:32:52 -0700 Date: Mon, 9 Dec 1996 10:32:51 -0700 (MST) From: "Karl A. Petersen" <[log in to unmask]> To: Nicholas Treanor <[log in to unmask]> cc: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: can anyone put a date on this? In-Reply-To: <[log in to unmask]> Message-ID: <[log in to unmask]> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII content-length: 1047 Searching by telnet to locis.loc.gov [Library of Congress], I found: 1. LCCN: sn91-61036 The New-York fireside companion. New York : George Munro, Began in 1869. Ceased in 1903? Weekly NOT AN LC RECORD. SEARCH FURTHER FOR LC ITEMS OR SEE STAFF. 2. LCCN: sf88-92769 The New-York fireside companion {microform}. New York : {s.n., 1869-Vol. 3, no. 67 (Feb. 10, 1869)- Weekly LC CALL NUMBER: Microfilm 01929 <MicRR> On Sat, 7 Dec 1996, Nicholas Treanor wrote: Apparently your volume must be "XLVII " or Vol. 47, since the final "L" is out of place on your date. This would make it 1916 if annual volumes were used, which is outside the apparent 1903 end of publication. > Can anyone out there help determine the date of a publication, > a portion of which was found at the back of a picture. > It is _The New York FIRESTONE COMPANION_, self-described as > > "A Journal of Instructive A..."(the rest is missing) > Vol.XLVIL George Munro, Proprietor > 17 to 27 Vandewater Street Best of luck. Karll. From [log in to unmask] Mon Dec 9 13:44:46 1996 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from VM.SC.EDU by unix10 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id NAA21905; Mon, 9 Dec 1996 13:44:44 -0500 Message-Id: <199612091844.NAA21905@unix10> Received: from VM.SC.EDU by VM.SC.EDU (IBM VM SMTP V2R3) with BSMTP id 7363; Mon, 09 Dec 96 13:44:32 EST Received: from UNIVSCVM (NJE origin N380020@UNIVSCVM) by VM.SC.EDU (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 5566; Mon, 9 Dec 1996 13:44:33 -0500 Date: Mon, 09 Dec 96 13:41:03 EST From: Herb Johnson <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: Tryon County NY To: [log in to unmask] In-Reply-To: Message of Fri, 6 Dec 1996 21:11:40 -0500 from <[log in to unmask]> content-length: 454 Tryon County was the colonial county name for what is now Fulton County. However, I suggest that you check the colonial statutes to be certain that the original Tryon County may not have had wider boundaries. Since it was name d for a colonial governor, William Tryon (who was also a British general), the Revolutionary government felt it unwise to retain the original name. Herb Johnson University of South Carolina School of Law Columbia, S.C. 29208 From [log in to unmask] Mon Dec 9 14:50:49 1996 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from emout07.mail.aol.com by unix10 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id OAA22272; Mon, 9 Dec 1996 14:50:40 -0500 From: [log in to unmask] Received: by emout07.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id OAA14044; Mon, 9 Dec 1996 14:50:04 -0500 Date: Mon, 9 Dec 1996 14:50:04 -0500 Message-ID: <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask] cc: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: Tryon County NY content-length: 476 By 1790 Montgomery, formerly Tryon, County encompassed present day St. Lawrence, Jefferson, Lewis, Hamilton, Oswego, Oneida, Herkimer, Fulton, Otsego, Chenango, Madison, Cortland, Tioga, Broome, Chemung, Senaca, Onandaga, Cayuga, parts of Schuyler, Wayne, Franklin, Schoharie, and Delaware Counties. Fulton is a fairly small part of this extensive early County. Reference: Map Guide to The U.S. Federal Censuses, 1790-1920. Roger W. Wilson [log in to unmask] From [log in to unmask] Mon Dec 9 15:10:59 1996 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from mail1.eznet.net by unix10 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id PAA22366; Mon, 9 Dec 1996 15:10:57 -0500 Received: from [207.50.129.62] (dialup52.roc-tc1.eznet.net [207.50.129.62]) by mail1.eznet.net (8.7.3/8.6.9) with ESMTP id PAA16667; Mon, 9 Dec 1996 15:08:38 -0500 Message-Id: <v03007800aed20901ea0b@[207.50.129.110]> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/enriched; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 9 Dec 1996 13:24:31 -0500 To: [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask] From: David Minor <[log in to unmask]> Subject: NYNY 1750-1754 content-length: 1812 <bold><fontfamily><param>Geneva</param><bigger><bigger>NYNY 1750-1754</bigger></bigger></fontfamily></bold><fontfamily><param>Geneva</param> <bold><bigger>1750</bigger></bold> February John Cannon is awarded a water lot grant in Manhattan, with the stipulation that he widen Water Street out to the East River. State The approximate Peoria is founded, in Albany County. <bold><bigger>1751</bigger></bold> City Immigrant Theophylact Bache arrives from England and forms a business with an uncle by marriage and another partner. <bold><bigger>1752 </bigger></bold>Feb 21 Businessman Nathaniel Rochester is born in Westmoreland County, Virginia. State Troy's first house is built. New Hampshire Syracuse, New York, co-founder Ephraim Webster is born in Hampstead. England William Murray, solicitor general to the king, grants the Vermont area to New Hampshire, disappointing New York's claims. <bold><bigger>1753</bigger></bold> State The French build a wagon road across the southern tier, along the future path of Route 17. <bold><bigger>1754</bigger></bold> Jun 19 25 delegates from seven colonies, including Pennsylvania's, with Benjamin Franklin, hold the Albany Congress to discus confederation. Other representatives have come from New Hampshire, Massachusetts, Rhode Island, Connecticut, New York and Maryland. Jul 10 The Plan of Union is tentatively adopted by the Albany Congress. Jul 17 King's College (later Columbia University) opens in New York City. Oct 31 A royal charter is granted to King's College. Transportation James Wells opens a stage and boat line, running twice a week between New York City and Philadelphia.</fontfamily> David Minor Eagles Byte Historical Research Rochester, New York 716 264-0423 http://home.eznet.net/~dminor From [log in to unmask] Mon Dec 9 14:22:49 1996 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from cet.cet.com by unix10 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id OAA22159; Mon, 9 Dec 1996 14:22:48 -0500 Received: from default (spk-88.cet.com [206.96.90.88]) by cet.cet.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id LAA26805 for <[log in to unmask]>; Mon, 9 Dec 1996 11:17:22 -0800 Message-ID: <[log in to unmask]> Date: Mon, 09 Dec 1996 11:18:06 -0800 From: Carolyn Weidner <[log in to unmask]> Reply-To: [log in to unmask] Organization: Weidner Words X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: Tryon County NY References: <[log in to unmask]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit content-length: 603 Hi Ruth: According to "The Handy Book", by Everton Pub. (good book for all genealogists) Tyron was formed in 1772 & renamed Montgomery in 1784, was created from Albany. If you have NY queries please send them to be included in my publication NY ST QUERIES. No charge to submit queries. Carolyn Weidner Ruth Harper wrote: > > Hello, > > Can you, please, tell me where Tryon Co., NY is?? I have an Atlas the gives > the counties in all American states but TRYON is not listed as a county in > N.Y.S. > > Has it been renamed?? Thanks for the info. > > Ruth (Pigott) Harper [log in to unmask] > From [log in to unmask] Mon Dec 9 14:28:52 1996 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from emout05.mail.aol.com by unix10 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id OAA22184; Mon, 9 Dec 1996 14:28:49 -0500 From: [log in to unmask] Received: by emout05.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id OAA24106; Mon, 9 Dec 1996 14:28:42 -0500 Date: Mon, 9 Dec 1996 14:28:42 -0500 Message-ID: <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask] cc: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: Tryon County NY content-length: 622 Ruth Tryon and Charlotte ( now Montgomery and Washington) counties were taken off (from Albany Co.) in 1772 This county (Montgomery) was formed from Albany, March 12, 1772, under the name "Tryon County. " Its name was changed April 2, 1784. Ontario was taken oo in 1789, Herkimer, Otsego, and Tioga in 1791, Hamilton in 1816, and Fulton in 1838. It lies on both sides of the Mohawk, centrally distant 39 miles from Albany. The above are quotes from French's Gazetteer of the State of New York, 1860. That is probably more than you ever wanted to know but while I was up.... Roger W. Wilson [log in to unmask] From [log in to unmask] Mon Dec 9 16:14:52 1996 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from valley.vlc.lib.mi.us by unix10 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id QAA22563; Mon, 9 Dec 1996 16:14:49 -0500 Received: by valley.vlc.lib.mi.us; (5.65v3.2/1.1.8.2/06Oct95-1028AM) id AA07238; Mon, 9 Dec 1996 16:15:42 -0500 Date: Mon, 9 Dec 1996 16:15:41 -0500 (EST) From: Anna Mae Maday <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Rochester newspapers Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII content-length: 375 I am looking for a source that has the Rochester Gazette (or Telegram) on microfilm, and would be willing to interloan. I have already contacted the University of Rochester which says that they do not loan to public libraries. Thanks. Anna Mae Maday Eddy Historical & Genealogy Collection Hoyt Public Library 505 Janes Ave Saginaw MI 48607 [log in to unmask] 517-755-9827 From [log in to unmask] Mon Dec 9 23:40:26 1996 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from freenet.buffalo.edu by unix10 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id XAA23372; Mon, 9 Dec 1996 23:40:25 -0500 Received: (from ca472@localhost) by freenet.buffalo.edu (8.7.4/8.7.3) id XAA18691; Mon, 9 Dec 1996 23:40:25 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 9 Dec 1996 23:40:24 -0500 (EST) From: Kevin Cottrell Kevin Cottrell <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask] cc: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: Underground Railroad in New York -Reply In-Reply-To: <[log in to unmask]> Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.91.961[log in to unmask]> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII content-length: 1579 chris i have never heard of a tunnel lying beneath the site of the michigan street baptist church, but is is an area of the church where fugitives did hide. i know this to be true as the founder of the michigan street preservation corporation. one of our missions other than restoring the church is to rewrite ALL the bad history locally about this topic. regarding the tunnel over in canada-the john forsite house now known as the doll house museum. the forsite were known smugglers of just about everything. no traces of a tunnel have been found, and yes you are right why would a tunnel be needed by fugitives who were already on free soil!On Wed, 4 Dec 1996, Densmore wrote: > In Buffalo, the Michigan Avenue Baptist Church (an early African-American > Church) has what is described as a tunnel leaving from the basement which > it is claimed was used to get fugitive slaves out of the church if needed. > Frankly, I'm skeptical about all tunnels, though certainly members of the > Michigan Avenue Church were involved in aiding fugitive slaves. > > The story I'm REALLY skeptical about is one that there is (or was) a > tunnel leading from the Niagara River to a house further up the bank-- on > the Canadian side. What good such a fixture would do to for a fugitive who > had already gotten across the Niagara River is beyond me. > > > Christopher Densmore > University Archives > University at Buffalo > 420 Capen Hall > Box 602200 > Buffalo, New York 14260-2200 > > Voice: 716-645-2916 > Fax: 716-645-3714 > E-Mail: [log in to unmask] > > ### From [log in to unmask] Tue Dec 10 00:02:57 1996 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from freenet.buffalo.edu by unix10 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id AAA23449; Tue, 10 Dec 1996 00:02:56 -0500 Received: (from ca472@localhost) by freenet.buffalo.edu (8.7.4/8.7.3) id AAA20021; Tue, 10 Dec 1996 00:02:48 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 00:02:47 -0500 (EST) From: Kevin Cottrell Kevin Cottrell <[log in to unmask]> To: Simira Tobias <[log in to unmask]> cc: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: Underground Railroad in New York In-Reply-To: <[log in to unmask]> Message-ID: <[log in to unmask]> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII content-length: 4016 how wonderful it would be to have a new york state underground railroad summit. i just left the one in ohio. it was a huge success, which is only going to get bigger. i hearing alot about tunnells which in most cases are myth or wishful researching. its not the tunnel one should be searching for but, ancient or very old indian trail, of which new york state is full of. the underground railroad is a story that is so infectious. if you think about it its still going on today the quest for freedom. this goes on in bosia, mexico, cuba, latin america etc. its a very positive story, one thats begging to be told CORRECTLY!On Wed, 4 Dec 1996, Simira Tobias wrote: > carol kammen wrote: > > > > Tracing down, and knowing the truth about the Underground Railroad > > is one of the most difficult topics local historians upstate have to deal > > with. > > > > At the moment, there are a very handsome poster, calendar and note > > cards, and this spring there will be a book about the subject. I have had > > several conversations about the sites mentioned and in two cases, > > knowledgable local historians have insisted that these places were not -- > > not -- known stopping places. The poster shows "routes" through central > > and western New York. > > > > Places listed on the poster include: the W.H. Seward House, > > Auburn; Fairview in Big Flats; Cooper Farmhouse in Cortland; Botsford > > Place, in Leicester; Warrent Homestead, in Rochester; Cobblestone Farm in > > Canandaigua; Evergreen House, in Skaneeateles; Cobblestone Farm in Seneca > > Falls; W. Carman Farm, in Mecklenburg; McBurney House, Canisteo; 11 Front > > Street, home of Judge Farrington, in Owego;AME Zion Church in Ithaca; Capt. > > Throop House in Pultneyville, and Esperanza, in Yates County. > > > > There are a few other sites on the calendar and note cards. Some > > of these places have been challenged. Some are probably correct. > > > > For some time the history and lore and memory of the Underground > > Railroad in upstate NY has been of interest to me. I am interested in the > > facts, in places, in evidence. I am also interested in what people have > > believed and have wanted to beleive. > > > > I wonder if those of you on this list might be interested in > > discussing the UGRR in NY state. And if so, I would be interested in > > hearing what any of you have to say about it. I am not interested in > > refuting the fact of its existence; but in getting at that part of the > > story it is possible to document straight and making sure that what we say > > actually happened or is possible. > > > > For example, in my part of the state there are numerous stories > > about long tunnels leading to Cayuga Lake. Well: if anyone has watched > > the DOT dig new roadways it is obvious that long tunnels constructed for > > fugitives are more wish than fact. > > > > I hope this is something you care to discuss, either to the entire > > list or privately with me. My e-mail address is below. My appreciation to > > you all for considering this topic. > > > > Carol Kammen > > > > Cornell University > > [log in to unmask] > > Appreciated your inquiry. My beginning efforts in genealogy research > has led me to one David Ruggles. He is said to have assisted Frederick > Douglas in his escape to freedom. Ruggles founded an abolitionist > organization called the NY Vigilance Committee in 1835 after a rash of > kidnapping of free Blacks from New York. His close associates were > Philip A. Bell and Dr. James McCune Smith. > > According to McFreely's bilography of Douglas, Douglas was taken to > Ruggles, who sheltered him at his home on the corner of Lipensdard and > Chruch Streets. While residing with Ruggles, he was reunited with Anna > and they were married there. > > If in your search, you come across any further information on Ruggles, > please share it with me. Thanks. > > > ### From [log in to unmask] Tue Dec 10 07:52:55 1996 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from marlo.eagle.ca by unix10 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id HAA24576; Tue, 10 Dec 1996 07:52:54 -0500 Received: from dialin4.eagle.ca (dialin4.eagle.ca [206.186.165.203]) by marlo.eagle.ca (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id HAA29301 for <[log in to unmask]>; Tue, 10 Dec 1996 07:59:32 -0500 Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 07:59:32 -0500 Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]> X-Sender: [log in to unmask] X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: [log in to unmask] From: [log in to unmask] (Ruth Harper) Subject: Re: NYNY 1750-1754 content-length: 386 Hello David, Just wanted to tell you that I have been enjoying and saving the NY history notes that you have been posting from time to time. As one who had early roots in the New Amsterdam of the 1600's but grew up in Canada, it gives me a better understanding of my heritage and the migration of our people. Keep it up. Many thanks. Ruth (Pigott) Harper [log in to unmask] From [log in to unmask] Tue Dec 10 10:18:41 1996 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from Shell.TeleNet.Net by unix10 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id KAA25206; Tue, 10 Dec 1996 10:18:40 -0500 Received: from lizard (Dialup110.TeleNet.NET [204.97.153.110]) by Shell.TeleNet.Net (8.7.6/8.6.12) with SMTP id KAA07138 for <[log in to unmask]>; Tue, 10 Dec 1996 10:18:54 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <[log in to unmask]> Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 10:09:55 -0800 From: Anne & Les Hendrix <[log in to unmask]> Reply-To: [log in to unmask] Organization: Tryon Press X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0C-nnie30 (Win16; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: Tryon County NY References: <[log in to unmask]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit content-length: 1262 The name Tryon lingers, generating perhaps a bit of mystique. Willim W. Campbell wrote "Annals of Tryon County" (1880). The state operates a Tryon School for (very naughty) Boys and the Tryon Inn in Cherry Valley is a fine dining establishment. A few years ago I chose it as the name of my history-oriented publishing business in Schoharie although only the western part of present Schoharie county was part of Tryon and Schoharie village was not. Tryon was created in 1772 at the urging of William Johnson, the very influential British Indian agent, and was seated at Johnstown. Tryon was kind of Johnson's personal feifdom. The county included much of central New York. Gov. William Tryon was the last British governor of New York and also governor of North Carolina. I believe his offices and mansion were in Carolina. New York's other "lost" county, Charlotte, was named for King George's queen-consort. In 1784 Tryon was renamed for patriot Gen. Richard Montgomery and Charlotte for George Washington. The best map of Tryon is probably Claude Joseph Sauthier's "Chorographical Map of the Province of New York in North America" (1779) reprinted and tipped in facing page 526 of vol. 1, Documentary History of New York (1850). -- Lester E. Hendrix From [log in to unmask] Tue Dec 10 11:35:40 1996 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from LuciaDiLammermoor.acsu.buffalo.edu by unix10 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id LAA25352; Tue, 10 Dec 1996 11:35:39 -0500 Received: from localhost (uldbev@localhost) by LuciaDiLammermoor.acsu.buffalo.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) with SMTP id LAA27983 for <[log in to unmask]>; Tue, 10 Dec 1996 11:35:32 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 11:35:30 -0500 (EST) From: Beverly R Vanderkooy <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: Symon Schermerhorn's Ride -Reply In-Reply-To: <[log in to unmask]> Message-ID: <[log in to unmask]> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII content-length: 968 There is a plaque for a Schermerhorn in the Old Stockade area in Schenectady. Unfortunately, I don't remember the first name. Beverly Vander Kooy University at Buffalo n Mon, 9 Dec 1996, Bob Arnold wrote: > I know of no such plaque. In the late > 1680s, the North Gate of the stockade > would have been not so far from the > former Union Station, now a bank > headquarters, but I am unaware of any > plaque there. During Albany's city > bicentennial in 1886 several bronze > plaques were mounted around town and > there may have been one for > Schermerhorn's heroic ride. Several > plaques were at one time mounted on a > fountain in front of the Delaware & Hudson > RR station, but fountain and plaques are > gone, removed when the SUNY system > took the station as its headquarters. The > plaques could have been remounted > somewhere I've not seen. I suggest you > try the Albany Institute of History and Art > at 125 Washington Avenue, Albany, NY > 12210. > From [log in to unmask] Tue Dec 10 12:01:40 1996 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from atl1.america.net by unix10 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id MAA25523; Tue, 10 Dec 1996 12:01:39 -0500 Received: from [206.139.128.54] (pm4-12.innova.net [206.139.128.54]) by atl1.america.net (8.8.2/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA11658 for <[log in to unmask]>; Tue, 10 Dec 1996 11:56:49 -0500 (EST) X-Sender: [log in to unmask] Message-Id: <v01530500aed302543fae@[206.139.128.65]> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 12:05:58 +0000 To: [log in to unmask] From: [log in to unmask] (Terry A. Johnston) Subject: Re: Rochester newspapers content-length: 572 Anna: Try contacting the New York State Newspaper Project at (518) 474-7491. Someone there should be able to assist you in your search for the Rochester Gazette. Terry Johnston >I am looking for a source that has the Rochester Gazette (or Telegram) >on microfilm, and would be willing to interloan. >I have already contacted the University of Rochester which says >that they do not loan to public libraries. > >Thanks. > >Anna Mae Maday >Eddy Historical & Genealogy Collection >Hoyt Public Library >505 Janes Ave >Saginaw MI 48607 >[log in to unmask] >517-755-9827 From [log in to unmask] Tue Dec 10 14:40:40 1996 Return-Path: <Mailer-Daemon> Received: from unix2.nysed.gov by unix10 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id OAA25795; Tue, 10 Dec 1996 14:40:40 -0500 Received: from dos56.nysed.gov by unix2.nysed.gov (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id OAA19258; Tue, 10 Dec 1996 14:40:21 -0500 Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 14:39:52 -0800 (PST) From: Jim Corsaro <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: Tryon County NY X-Sender: [log in to unmask] In-Reply-To: <[log in to unmask]> Message-ID: <[log in to unmask]> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII content-length: 919 Tryon County is not an "is" any longer. It "was." It was one of the early counties of the state and included much of Northern NY and a chunk of Vermont as well. A map showing it is found in the book NY in the Revolution. It is also found on C.J. Sauthier's map of the Province of NY, 1779; which has been reprinted several times, including in the Documentary History of NY, 1849-50. jim corsaro James Corsaro Associate Librarian Manuscripts and Special Collections New York State Library Empire State Plaza Albany, New York 12230 e-mail: [log in to unmask] (518) 474-5963 On Fri, 6 Dec 1996, Ruth Harper wrote: > Hello, > > Can you, please, tell me where Tryon Co., NY is?? I have an Atlas the gives > the counties in all American states but TRYON is not listed as a county in > N.Y.S. > > Has it been renamed?? Thanks for the info. > > Ruth (Pigott) Harper [log in to unmask] > > > From [log in to unmask] Tue Dec 10 13:02:29 1996 Return-Path: <Mailer-Daemon> Received: from MAIL.NYSED.GOV by unix10 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id NAA25688; Tue, 10 Dec 1996 13:02:29 -0500 Received: from SEDDOM1-Message_Server by MAIL.NYSED.GOV with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 10 Dec 1996 13:01:34 -0500 Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]> X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 13:03:35 -0500 From: Phil Lord <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Battle of Saratoga content-length: 936 I have a SUNY intern trying to find primary documentation on the camp and position of General Stark, which blocked the roadway north of Old Saratoga [Schuylerville] during the terminal phase of the Battle of Saratoga [1777]. The position appears on no original battlefield maps, and so far he and I have found no mention of it in accounts by participants. There is a very vague secondary source comment [1911] with no citation [as usual]. Yet there is an historic marker at the location shown on early 20th century restrospective maps of the Schuylerville section of the battlefield [you know the kind; where someone matches recorded battlefield features to the modern landscape]. The marker is not one of "ours" [State Education Department] so there is no documentation in the file on sources. If anyone has a lead to primary source data on this encampment, please pass it along. Philip Lord, Jr. NYS Museum [log in to unmask] From [log in to unmask] Tue Dec 10 15:06:29 1996 Return-Path: <Mailer-Daemon> Received: from unix2.nysed.gov by unix10 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id PAA26047; Tue, 10 Dec 1996 15:06:29 -0500 Received: from dos56.nysed.gov by unix2.nysed.gov (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id PAA19497; Tue, 10 Dec 1996 15:06:28 -0500 Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 15:05:59 -0800 (PST) From: Jim Corsaro <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask] cc: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: Tryon County NY X-Sender: [log in to unmask] In-Reply-To: <[log in to unmask]> Message-ID: <[log in to unmask]> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII content-length: 1715 Some silly character named Corsaro just mentioned that Tryon County included "a chunk of Vermont." Well, Corsaro should have checked the Sauthier map he mentioned before talking to the entire list; it clearly shows the outline of Tryon County as only in NYS. The county he was thinking of and confusing with Tryon was called Charlotte County which covered much of Northern NY and a "chunk of Vermont." So, check your maps before mouthing off to the list, Corsaro. Yes, Sir! jc James Corsaro Associate Librarian Manuscripts and Special Collections New York State Library Empire State Plaza Albany, New York 12230 e-mail: [log in to unmask] (518) 474-5963 On Tue, 10 Dec 1996, Jim Corsaro wrote: > > Tryon County is not an "is" any longer. It "was." It was one of the > early counties of the state and included much of Northern NY and a > chunk of Vermont as well. > > A map showing it is found in the book NY in the Revolution. It is > also found on C.J. Sauthier's map of the Province of NY, 1779; which > has been reprinted several times, including in the Documentary > History of NY, 1849-50. > > > jim corsaro > > James Corsaro > Associate Librarian > Manuscripts and Special Collections > New York State Library > Empire State Plaza > Albany, New York 12230 > e-mail: [log in to unmask] > (518) 474-5963 > > > On Fri, 6 Dec 1996, Ruth Harper wrote: > > > Hello, > > > > Can you, please, tell me where Tryon Co., NY is?? I have an Atlas the gives > > the counties in all American states but TRYON is not listed as a county in > > N.Y.S. > > > > Has it been renamed?? Thanks for the info. > > > > Ruth (Pigott) Harper [log in to unmask] > > > > > > > From [log in to unmask] Tue Dec 10 15:28:46 1996 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from jaguar.ccia.com by unix10 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id PAA26075; Tue, 10 Dec 1996 15:28:45 -0500 Received: from cc53.ccia.com (cc53.ccia.com [207.18.93.53]) by jaguar.ccia.com (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA27461 for <[log in to unmask]>; Tue, 10 Dec 1996 15:30:17 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 15:30:17 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]> X-Sender: [log in to unmask] (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: [log in to unmask] From: "Richard J. Harvey" <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Tyron Co. NY. content-length: 760 >From the program ANIMAP put out by Goldbug: Tyron was formed from Albany in 1772. It covered land to the west of Albany and to the north to the Canadian border. It expanded to the west in 1781 until it reached to todays Genesee Co. In 1782 it was expanded all the way to the west of modern day NY. In 1783 its border was pushed back to the west by Mass. claim to W. NY. In 1784 its name was change to Montgomery Co. According to ANIMAP its border never reached VT. to the east. Researching: Harvey in New E., NY., Pa., OH., MI. Platt in New E., Pa., OH. Paden in Pa. Oh. Lord, Scudder, New E. For Ashtabula Co. Oh, Crawford Co. Pa. and Lawrence Co. Genweb pages: http://www.ccia.com/~rharvey Richard J. Harvey 423 Falls Ave. New Castle, Pa. 16105 From [log in to unmask] Tue Dec 10 22:48:56 1996 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from switzerland.it.earthlink.net by unix10 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id WAA27163; Tue, 10 Dec 1996 22:48:54 -0500 Received: from 153.35.236.70 (Cust70.Max6.San-Francisco.CA.MS.UU.NET [153.35.236.70]) by switzerland.it.earthlink.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA28726 for <[log in to unmask]>; Tue, 10 Dec 1996 19:48:40 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <[log in to unmask]> Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 19:35:39 -0800 From: Simira Tobias <[log in to unmask]> Reply-To: [log in to unmask] X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: Underground Railroad in New York -Reply References: <[log in to unmask]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit content-length: 1869 Every book I've read on slavery in the USA, has presented the fact that free soil did not guarantee safety to runaways, nor to free Blacks. Given this fact, perhaps tunnels were needed. Kevin Cottrell Kevin Cottrell wrote: > > chris i have never heard of a tunnel lying beneath the site of the > michigan street baptist church, but is is an area of the church where > fugitives did hide. i know this to be true as the founder of the michigan > street preservation corporation. one of our missions other than restoring > the church is to rewrite ALL the bad history locally about this topic. > regarding the tunnel over in canada-the john forsite house now known as > the doll house museum. the forsite were known smugglers of just about > everything. no traces of a tunnel have been found, and yes you are right > why would a tunnel be needed by fugitives who were already on free soil!On > Wed, 4 Dec 1996, Densmore wrote: > > > In Buffalo, the Michigan Avenue Baptist Church (an early African-American > > Church) has what is described as a tunnel leaving from the basement which > > it is claimed was used to get fugitive slaves out of the church if needed. > > Frankly, I'm skeptical about all tunnels, though certainly members of the > > Michigan Avenue Church were involved in aiding fugitive slaves. > > > > The story I'm REALLY skeptical about is one that there is (or was) a > > tunnel leading from the Niagara River to a house further up the bank-- on > > the Canadian side. What good such a fixture would do to for a fugitive who > > had already gotten across the Niagara River is beyond me. > > > > > > Christopher Densmore > > University Archives > > University at Buffalo > > 420 Capen Hall > > Box 602200 > > Buffalo, New York 14260-2200 > > > > Voice: 716-645-2916 > > Fax: 716-645-3714 > > E-Mail: [log in to unmask] > > > > > > ### From [log in to unmask] Wed Dec 11 08:46:59 1996 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from rullt3.LeidenUniv.NL by unix10 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id IAA27868; Wed, 11 Dec 1996 08:46:57 -0500 Received: from rullet.LeidenUniv.nl by rullet.LeidenUniv.nl (PMDF V5.0-6 #2497) id <[log in to unmask]> for [log in to unmask]; Wed, 11 Dec 1996 14:46:37 +0100 (MET) Date: Wed, 11 Dec 1996 14:46:34 +0100 (MET) From: Jaap Jacobs <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: Symon Schermerhorn's Ride -Reply To: [log in to unmask] Message-id: <[log in to unmask]> X-VMS-To: IN%"[log in to unmask]" X-VMS-Cc: JAJACOBS MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT content-length: 366 John J. Birch, The markers speak. An informal history of the Schenectady area, published by the Schenectady County Historical Society in 1962, on page 42-43 gives full details of a marker relating to the ride of Symon Schermerhoorn on Feb. 8, 1690. The marker is located near the corner of North Church and Front Streets. Jaap Jacobs [log in to unmask] From [log in to unmask] Fri Dec 13 06:37:14 1996 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from autarch.acsu.buffalo.edu by unix10 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id GAA02835; Fri, 13 Dec 1996 06:37:13 -0500 Received: from localhost (densmore@localhost) by autarch.acsu.buffalo.edu (8.8.3/8.8.3) with SMTP id GAA27594 for <[log in to unmask]>; Fri, 13 Dec 1996 06:37:17 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1996 06:37:17 -0500 (EST) From: Densmore <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: Underground Railroad in New York In-Reply-To: <[log in to unmask]> Message-ID: <[log in to unmask]> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII content-length: 3014 Research Proposal: I want to second Kevin Cottrell's suggestion about a meeting on the Underground Railroad in New York State. Lots of people have bits of information about particular sites or areas, and I think it would be useful to try to begin a more systematic attempt to connect these isolated fragments of data into a larger picture. At the early stage, it would be useful to try to compile a master list (perhaps a web site) of all locations said to be part of the URR and the source of the attribution. Obviously documentation is scarce, and many sites identified by local traditions which may or may not be accurate. Some sites are clearly impossible (I was asked about the Hicksite Quaker meeting house in Buffalo as a possible site-- it wasn't, as it was built in 1868), and some are documented by first hand (though usually post war) testimony. This leaves a large number of sites where there needs to be a critical examination of the attributions. At least in a preliminary stage, it would be best, I think, to include any possible site and then work toward identifying which of those are proveable, possible, plausible, implausible and impossible. As part of this effort, I think it would be useful to create a map of New York State showing those locations where there was known anti-slavery activity or communities which may have been sympathetic to fugitives. (1) African-American Communities (2) Explicitly Anti-Slavery Churches a. Society of Friends (Quakers) b. Free Will Baptists c. Wesleyan Methodists d. Seventh Day Baptists e. other churches... (3) Organized Anti-Slavery a. branches of the American Anti-Slavery Society b. agents for the LIBERATOR and ANTI-SLAVERY STANDARD c. local abolition societies Part of this interest comes from following the routes of abolitionist lecturers through western New York via reports in the abolitionist papers. Often they appear to be traveling known routes where they could expect some support and assistance. I think I am making an assumption here that the URR was not in most places a highly organized affair with regular "service" but generally consisted of informal networks (perhaps several overlapping networks) that were able to assist fugitives. Part of the problem in organizing a meeting is the geography of the state, that is, getting people from all parts of the state into the same room. Buffalo is a long way from Albany and further from New York City and Long Island. It may be more realistic to begin by thinking regionally, and work towards a meeting (or some other form of sharing information) that would focus on central and western New York (if Western New York is included, it would also be important to make connections to where people were going on the Canadian side of the Niagara River). Christopher Densmore University Archives University at Buffalo 420 Capen Hall Box 602200 Buffalo, New York 14260-2200 Voice: 716-645-2916 Fax: 716-645-3714 E-Mail: [log in to unmask] From [log in to unmask] Thu Dec 12 22:24:15 1996 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from chronos.cardina.net by unix10 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id WAA02198; Thu, 12 Dec 1996 22:23:27 -0500 Received: from griffon10.cardina.net (phoenix4.cardina.net [207.113.221.64]) by chronos.cardina.net (8.7.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id WAA23546 for <[log in to unmask]>; Thu, 12 Dec 1996 22:36:14 -0500 (EST) Received: by griffon10.cardina.net with Microsoft Mail id <[log in to unmask]>; Thu, 12 Dec 1996 22:23:12 -0500 Message-ID: <[log in to unmask]> From: "[log in to unmask]" <[log in to unmask]> To: "[log in to unmask]" <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Salisbury Mills, Orange Co, NY ?? Date: Thu, 12 Dec 1996 20:57:28 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="---- =_NextPart_000_01BBE87B.0FCF83E0" content-length: 2767 ------ =_NextPart_000_01BBE87B.0FCF83E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Does anyone know where Salisbury Mills, Orange Co, NY is or WAS ? Where = can I get a map of the area? Looking for the town and information on the TROTTER family from the = area; especially Henry TROTTER who married a Margaret BARTON, probably = in the 1850's. Are there any historical/genealogical groups in the area?? Sites on the = net ? Is there an Orange Co, NY web page? 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From [log in to unmask] Fri Dec 13 09:52:22 1996 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from mailer.together.net by unix10 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id JAA03436; Fri, 13 Dec 1996 09:52:21 -0500 Received: from sequoia.together.net (sequoia.together.net [204.97.120.25]) by mailer.together.net (8.8.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id JAA30416; Fri, 13 Dec 1996 09:52:12 -0500 Received: from PORT-52-MAX-BTV-02.ramp.together.net (PORT-52-MAX-BTV-02.ramp.together.net [207.41.54.180]) by sequoia.together.net (8.8.3/8.8.3) with SMTP id JAA24905; Fri, 13 Dec 1996 09:52:03 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1996 09:52:03 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]> X-Sender: [log in to unmask] X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: [log in to unmask] From: Mike Mills <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: Salisbury Mills, Orange Co, NY ?? Cc: [log in to unmask] content-length: 1242 Well I think it si still there in name. I have a county map and it is marked as being in the Town of Cornwall and the border with the town of Blooming Grove and at the interesection of the Clove and Otterkill Rds. Some of my Mills, Bull and Vail ancestors were from this area (Blooming Grove and Little Britain). Mike Mills At 08:57 PM 12/12/96 -0500, you wrote: ->Does anyone know where Salisbury Mills, Orange Co, NY is or WAS ? Where can I get a map of the area? -> ->Looking for the town and information on the TROTTER family from the area; especially Henry TROTTER who married a Margaret BARTON, probably in the 1850's. -> ->Are there any historical/genealogical groups in the area?? Sites on the net ? Is there an Orange Co, NY web page? -> ->Thanks, -> ->Tom Morris ->Imlay City, MI ->[log in to unmask] -> ->---------- -> ->Attachment Converted: C:\Salisbur -> ~"~"~"~"~"~"~"~"~"~"~"~"~"~"~"~"~"~"~"~"~"~"~"~"~"~"~"~"~"~"~"~"~"~ Michael Mills via [log in to unmask] /\^\^/\^/^\ Vermont Hometown Realty Real estate for Chittenden Co., The Lake Champlain Valley and Stowe. URL: http://www.together.net/~vthomes/welcome.htm Phone: (802) 482-3797 ~"~"~"~"~"~"~"~"~"~"~"~"~"~"~"~"~"~"~"~"~"~"~"~"~"~"~"~"~"~"~"~"~"~ From [log in to unmask] Fri Dec 13 11:15:12 1996 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from eideti.com by unix10 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id LAA03866; Fri, 13 Dec 1996 11:15:07 -0500 Received: from annex1-3.infi-net.com (annex1-3.infi-net.com [199.171.97.153]) by eideti.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id LAA15042 for <[log in to unmask]>; Fri, 13 Dec 1996 11:15:02 -0500 Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]> X-Sender: [log in to unmask] X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1996 11:11:34 -0500 To: [log in to unmask] From: [log in to unmask] (Susan Walski) Subject: Re: Salisbury Mills, Orange Co, NY ?? content-length: 985 >Does anyone know where Salisbury Mills, Orange Co, NY is or WAS ? Where can I get a map of the area? > >Looking for the town and information on the TROTTER family from the area; especially Henry TROTTER who married a Margaret BARTON, probably in the 1850's. > >Are there any historical/genealogical groups in the area?? Sites on the net ? Is there an Orange Co, NY web page? > Salisbury Mills is indeed here in Orange county, NY. Yes, it still does exist. A book was recently published on it's history. I believe that Orange County Genealogical Society may have it for sale. If not, the library here in Washingtonville (down the street from Salisbury Mills) has it. Vital records would be located in the Town of Blooming Grove at the Town Clerks office. The Address for the Orange County Genealogical Society is: 101 Main St. Goshen, NY Hope this helps. Susan Susan Walski Genealogy: The only hobby where finding dead people can excite you! http://www.eideti.com/~swalski From [log in to unmask] Fri Dec 13 11:54:53 1996 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from eagle1.eaglenet.com by unix10 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id LAA04112; Fri, 13 Dec 1996 11:54:52 -0500 Received: from eagle1 by eagle1.eaglenet.com (NX5.67f2/NX3.0M) id AA18743; Fri, 13 Dec 96 11:54:23 -0500 Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1996 11:54:23 -0500 (EST) From: Phlete Teachout <[log in to unmask]> X-Sender: fteachou@eagle1 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: Salisbury Mills, Orange Co, NY ?? In-Reply-To: <[log in to unmask]> Message-Id: <Pine.NXT.3.95.961213114908.18477B-100000@eagle1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII content-length: 684 On Fri, 13 Dec 1996, Susan Walski wrote: > >Does anyone know where Salisbury Mills, Orange Co, NY is or WAS ? Where > can I get a map of the area? On-line maps for the US are available at: http://www.mapquest.com/ ttp://route.delorme.com/ http://www.census.gov/cgi-bin/gazetteer http://www.bigbook.com/ http://www.mapblast.com/ You can zoom in/out, change labels (on the Tiger Map System, at least), print, save to file, do placename lookups, etc. Enjoy and Regards, - fleet - P. R. "Fleet" Teachout [log in to unmask] http://www.eaglenet.com/fteachou/ From [log in to unmask] Fri Dec 13 14:25:31 1996 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from valley.vlc.lib.mi.us by unix10 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id OAA04457; Fri, 13 Dec 1996 14:25:30 -0500 Received: by valley.vlc.lib.mi.us; (5.65v3.2/1.1.8.2/06Oct95-1028AM) id AA08089; Fri, 13 Dec 1996 14:26:38 -0500 Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1996 14:26:36 -0500 (EST) From: Anna Mae Maday <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask] Subject: NY Colonial Documents & medicine Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII content-length: 1432 Volume 10 of Documents Relative to the Colonial History of New York page 700 Montcalm says of the Indians..."Should any misfortune happen to them they would say 'tis a medicine they are getting; a term in their language equivalent to charm in ours..." "...the English had thrown that medicine on the Indians...." Cyprien Tanguay states in one of his vols. that a certain individual was a "medecin" at Saginaw (former soldier married to a saulteuse, who wintered at Saginaw) It was formerly believed that this man may have been a doctor, healer, some sort of medicine man. The French officials were known to have promised blacksmiths to the Indians of the Saginaw area, but are there any other instances of them sending "medecins" in other areas. Or do the 2 terms mentioned have something in common. Also I have discovered that there are more than 10 vols. to the New York Colonial Documents (we have only 10) and that there may be an index in the last volume. If this is true, can someone send a xerox copy of the portion starting with SA... Since most of these vols are too bulky to xerox I just need any references, vols & page #s for the following: Saguina, Saginaw, Sakina, Sakinam, Saquina or anything that looks like a variant spelling. Thanks for any comments or ideas. Anna Mae Maday Eddy Historical & Genealogy Collection Hoyt Public Library 505 Janes Ave Saginaw MI 48607 [log in to unmask] 517-755-9827 From [log in to unmask] Fri Dec 13 15:47:14 1996 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from mail1.digital.com by unix10 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id PAA04772; Fri, 13 Dec 1996 15:47:09 -0500 Received: from zkons1.zko.dec.com by mail1.digital.com (5.65 EXP 4/12/95 for V3.2/1.0/WV) id AA26130; Fri, 13 Dec 1996 12:43:44 -0800 Received: from ibgzko by zkons1.zko.dec.com; (5.65v3.2/1.1.8.2/28Oct95-0953AM) id AA32414; Fri, 13 Dec 1996 15:43:43 -0500 Received: by ibgzko.zko.dec.com; (5.65v3.2/1.1.8.2/17Nov95-0415PM) id AA16416; Fri, 13 Dec 1996 15:43:54 -0500 Sender: [log in to unmask] To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: Salisbury Mills, Orange Co, NY ?? References: <[log in to unmask]> From: Marc Nozell <[log in to unmask]> Date: 13 Dec 1996 15:43:54 -0500 In-Reply-To: "[log in to unmask]"'s message of Thu, 12 Dec 1996 20:57:28 -0500 Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]> Lines: 35 X-Mailer: Red Gnus v0.74/XEmacs 19.14 content-length: 1087 >>>>> "Tom" == tmorris@cardina net <[log in to unmask]> writes: Tom> Are there any historical/genealogical groups in the area?? Tom> Sites on the net ? Is there an Orange Co, NY web page? Here are a couple other suggestions: * USGenWeb Project's New York Page: http://www.rootsweb.com/~nygenweb/ You can then drill down to the Orange County web pages. * Genealogy in New York State Mailing List (GEN-NYS-L) http://www.rootsweb.com/~nozell/gen-nys-l.html See the web page for information about subscribing to the mailing list and reading the email archives. The FAQ is here: http://www.rootsweb.com/~nozell/gen-nys-l/FAQ/GEN-NYS-L.html * Search Engines A query of "+trotter +genealogy" (don't include the quotes) to http://altavista.digital.com returned over 100 hits. Unfortunately "+henry +trotter" didn't return anything that looked interesting. Also some of the other major search engines: HotBot, UltraSeek, Magellan, Inference, etc -marc -- Marc Nozell <[log in to unmask]> http://www.rootsweb.com/~nozell (genealogy stuff) From [log in to unmask] Fri Dec 13 16:11:13 1996 Return-Path: <Mailer-Daemon> Received: from unix2.nysed.gov by unix10 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id QAA04903; Fri, 13 Dec 1996 16:11:12 -0500 Received: from dos56.nysed.gov by unix2.nysed.gov (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id QAA27363; Fri, 13 Dec 1996 16:11:16 -0500 Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1996 16:10:46 -0800 (PST) From: Jim Corsaro <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask] cc: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: NY Colonial Documents & medicine X-Sender: [log in to unmask] In-Reply-To: <[log in to unmask]> Message-ID: <[log in to unmask]> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII content-length: 2450 Ms. Maday: There are 15 vols to the Documents relating to the Colonial History of the State of New York. You know about v. 1-10. V. 11 is an index to the first 10 vols. V. 12 is titled: Documents relating to the History of the Dutch and Swedish Settlements on the Delaware River. v. 13 is titled Documents relating to the History and Settlements of the Towns along the Hudson and Mohawk Rivers...from 1630 to 1684. v. 14 is titled Documents ....to the History of the Early Colonial Settlements...on Long Island v. 15 is titled New York in the Revolution, 1887. There are several pages of "Sa" in the index volume 11 and I will mail copies of them to you next week. jim corsaro James Corsaro Associate Librarian Manuscripts and Special Collections New York State Library Empire State Plaza Albany, New York 12230 e-mail: [log in to unmask] (518) 474-5963 On Fri, 13 Dec 1996, Anna Mae Maday wrote: > > Volume 10 of Documents Relative to the Colonial History of New York > page 700 Montcalm says of the Indians..."Should any misfortune happen to > them they would say 'tis a medicine they are getting; a term in their > language equivalent to charm in ours..." > "...the English had thrown that medicine on the Indians...." > > Cyprien Tanguay states in one of his vols. that a certain individual was > a "medecin" at Saginaw (former soldier married to a saulteuse, who > wintered at Saginaw) It was formerly believed that this man may have > been a doctor, healer, some sort of medicine man. > > The French officials were known to have promised blacksmiths to the > Indians of the Saginaw area, but are there any other instances of them > sending "medecins" in other areas. Or do the 2 terms mentioned > have something in common. > > Also I have discovered that there are more than 10 vols. to the New York > Colonial Documents (we have only 10) and that there may be an index > in the last volume. If this is true, can someone send a xerox copy > of the portion starting with SA... > > Since most of these vols are too bulky to xerox I just need any > references, vols & page #s for the following: > > Saguina, Saginaw, Sakina, Sakinam, Saquina or anything that > looks like a variant spelling. > > Thanks for any comments or ideas. > > Anna Mae Maday > Eddy Historical & Genealogy Collection > Hoyt Public Library > 505 Janes Ave > Saginaw MI 48607 > [log in to unmask] > 517-755-9827 > > From [log in to unmask] Fri Dec 13 16:33:16 1996 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from valley.vlc.lib.mi.us by unix10 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id QAA05045; Fri, 13 Dec 1996 16:33:15 -0500 Received: by valley.vlc.lib.mi.us; (5.65v3.2/1.1.8.2/06Oct95-1028AM) id AA00292; Fri, 13 Dec 1996 16:34:20 -0500 Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1996 16:34:20 -0500 (EST) From: Anna Mae Maday <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask] Subject: New York Colonial Docs. Index Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII content-length: 260 Thanks to Jim Corsaro for the information about the volumes and for his assistance in supplying the needed index pages. Anna Mae Maday Eddy Historical & Genealogy Collection Hoyt Public Library 505 Janes Ave Saginaw MI 48607 [log in to unmask] 517-755-9827 From [log in to unmask] Mon Dec 16 08:59:22 1996 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from falcon.bgsu.edu by unix10 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id IAA09122; Mon, 16 Dec 1996 08:59:21 -0500 Received: (from pterrie@localhost) by falcon.bgsu.edu (8.7.1/8.6.12) id IAA28774; Mon, 16 Dec 1996 08:59:27 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 08:59:27 -0500 (EST) From: philip terrie <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: Researching NY History through the Internet To: [log in to unmask] In-Reply-To: <[log in to unmask]> Message-ID: <[log in to unmask]> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII content-length: 848 Last week someone on this list mentioned RootsWeb (a www site). This looked like an interesting place to look around, but after several tries, I can't make a connection. Does anyone know what's wrong or have a suggestion? thanks, phil terrie ******************************************************************************* * "Few fully understand what the Adirondack Philip G. Terrie * wilderness really is. It is a mystery even to American Culture Studies * those who have crossed and recrossed it by boats Bowling Green State Univ. * along its avenues, the lakes; and on foot (419) 372-2785 * through its vast and silent recesses." * --Verplanck Colvin, 1874 ******************************************************************************* From [log in to unmask] Mon Dec 16 09:10:49 1996 Return-Path: <Mailer-Daemon> Received: from MAIL.NYSED.GOV by unix10 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id JAA09265; Mon, 16 Dec 1996 09:10:48 -0500 Received: from SEDDOM1-Message_Server by MAIL.NYSED.GOV with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 16 Dec 1996 09:09:55 -0500 Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]> X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 09:09:45 -0500 From: William Evans <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Unsubscribing content-length: 230 At this time of year a lot of people have been signing off or trying to; to unsubscribe, (1) address the message to [log in to unmask] (2) in the body of the message (not the subject line) write unsubscribe nyhist-l From [log in to unmask] Mon Dec 16 09:20:54 1996 Return-Path: <Mailer-Daemon> Received: from unix2.nysed.gov by unix10 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id JAA09355; Mon, 16 Dec 1996 09:20:53 -0500 Received: from dos50.nysed.gov by unix2.nysed.gov (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id JAA20340; Mon, 16 Dec 1996 09:21:01 -0500 Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 09:20:34 +0500 (EST) From: Barbara Lilley <[log in to unmask]> To: nyhistory listserv <[log in to unmask]> Subject: NEW: RSL-UPDATE - Updates to RSL Genealogy Database (fwd) Message-ID: <[log in to unmask]> X-X-Sender: [log in to unmask] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII content-length: 2906 I have this message from way back in May about roots. I did try it once and had not problems. Barbara Lilley New York State Library ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 09:03:22 CDT From: Karen Isaacson <[log in to unmask]> To: Multiple recipients of list NEW-LIST <[log in to unmask]> Subject: NEW: RSL-UPDATE - Updates to RSL Genealogy Database Forwarded mail received from: SEDWPO:SEDDOM1:SEDDOM1.SMTP:"[log in to unmask]" Although NYHIST-L is intentionally not a genealogy list, many of the subscribers are doing genealogy. There are also many times in researching history and biography that genealogy research is of great importance. For those reasons we are posting the attached. Date: 05/16/1996 10:03 am (Thursday) From: Karen Isaacson <[log in to unmask]> To: Multiple recipients of list NEW-LIST <NEW-LIST@VM1 Subject: NEW: RSL-UPDATE - Updates to RSL Genealogy Database RSL-UPDATE via [log in to unmask] The RSL or Roots Surname List is a genealogical database used by genealogists to locate others researching the same surnames, so that they can share and compare data. The database itself may be searched at the URL http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/searches/ Information about the database may be found at the URL http://www.rootsweb.com/roots-l/family.readme.html. If you do not have WWW access, the informational file may be requested by sending any message to [log in to unmask] There will be approximately one message posted per day to the rsl-update mailing list. The RSL itself is updated monthly, and on the first day of the update cycle, the list of new surnames starting with A will be sent to rsl-update. On the second day, the new surnames starting with B, etc. Subscribers to rsl-update are thus able to stay informed of changes in the RSL database. (Obviously, this list is only for the truly addicted!) To subscribe to rsl-update, send the following command to [log in to unmask], in the BODY of your e-mail: subscribe Please don't include a signature block, your name, your address, or any of that other stuff that usually goes there, or your subscription request will have to handled manually. Owner: Karen Isaacson [log in to unmask] or [log in to unmask] --------------------------------------------------------------------- DISCLAIMER: NEW-LIST announcements are edited from information provided by the original submitter. We do NOT verify the technical accuracy nor any claims made in the announcements nor do we necessarily agree with them. We do not warranty or guarantee any services which might be announced - use at your own risk. For more information send e-mail to [log in to unmask] with the command GET NEW-LIST README in the body. mgh From [log in to unmask] Mon Dec 16 09:21:10 1996 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from fieldrep.ed.umuc.edu by unix10 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id JAA09392; Mon, 16 Dec 1996 09:21:07 -0500 Received: from admin.ed.umuc.edu (admin.ed.umuc.edu [144.170.246.10]) by fieldrep.ed.umuc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id PAA31391 for <[log in to unmask]>; Mon, 16 Dec 1996 15:22:31 +0100 Received: from cc:Mail by admin.ed.umuc.edu id AA850778431; Mon, 16 Dec 96 15:20:31 CET Date: Mon, 16 Dec 96 15:20:31 CET From: "David Godfrey" <[log in to unmask]> Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re[2]: Researching NY History through the Internet content-length: 1360 The Roots-L list (assuming this is the group you are referring to) was down for a couple days... You can access them through the RAND Corporation Genealogy Club, I believe.. Hope this helps. DG Heidelberg, Germany ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: Researching NY History through the Internet Author: [log in to unmask] at Internet Date: 16/12/96 3:10 PM Last week someone on this list mentioned RootsWeb (a www site). This looked like an interesting place to look around, but after several tries, I can't make a connection. Does anyone know what's wrong or have a suggestion? thanks, phil terrie ******************************************************************************* * "Few fully understand what the Adirondack Philip G. Terrie * wilderness really is. It is a mystery even to American Culture Studies * those who have crossed and recrossed it by boats Bowling Green State Univ. * along its avenues, the lakes; and on foot (419) 372-2785 * through its vast and silent recesses." * --Verplanck Colvin, 1874 ******************************************************************************* From [log in to unmask] Mon Dec 16 09:49:47 1996 Return-Path: <Mailer-Daemon> Received: from MAIL.NYSED.GOV by unix10 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id JAA09718; Mon, 16 Dec 1996 09:49:46 -0500 Received: from SEDDOM1-Message_Server by MAIL.NYSED.GOV with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 16 Dec 1996 09:48:54 -0500 Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]> X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 09:49:32 -0500 From: William Evans <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Revolution in Cherry Valley content-length: 330 ** PRIVATE ** I have received a request from a eminent historian re the following; "In Campbell's ANNALS OF TRYON COUNTY, he mentions Thomas Spencer delivering a pro-rebel speech in 1775. I would love to lay me hands on it or at least a summary of its contents." OK - NYHIST-Lers any ideas? Bill Evans - NY State Archives From [log in to unmask] Mon Dec 16 10:05:01 1996 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from T-Rex.Minn.Net by unix10 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id KAA09876; Mon, 16 Dec 1996 10:05:00 -0500 Received: from legarto.minn.net ([log in to unmask] [204.157.201.5]) by T-Rex.Minn.Net (8.8.4/8.6.9) with SMTP id JAA07023; Mon, 16 Dec 1996 09:05:02 -0600 Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 09:07:24 -0600 (CST) From: Ray Marshall <[log in to unmask]> To: philip terrie <[log in to unmask]> cc: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: Researching NY History through the Internet In-Reply-To: <[log in to unmask]> Message-ID: <[log in to unmask]> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII content-length: 1293 http://www.rootsweb.com/ Rootsweb is the home of the Roots-L list, much of the USGenWeb network and most recently of the Irish Genealogical Society, Int'l (http://www.rootsweb.com/~irish/index.html) Ray Marshall Minneapolis, Minnesota *=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=* You might say that; I couldn't possibly comment. On Mon, 16 Dec 1996, philip terrie wrote: > Last week someone on this list mentioned RootsWeb (a www site). This > looked like an interesting place to look around, but after several tries, > I can't make a connection. Does anyone know what's wrong or have a > suggestion? > > thanks, > phil terrie > > ******************************************************************************* > * "Few fully understand what the Adirondack > Philip G. Terrie * wilderness really is. It is a mystery even to > American Culture Studies * those who have crossed and recrossed it by boats > Bowling Green State Univ. * along its avenues, the lakes; and on foot > (419) 372-2785 * through its vast and silent recesses." > * --Verplanck Colvin, 1874 > ******************************************************************************* > > > From [log in to unmask] Mon Dec 16 10:01:45 1996 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from mail2.digital.com by unix10 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id KAA09854; Mon, 16 Dec 1996 10:01:44 -0500 Received: from zkons1.zko.dec.com by mail2.digital.com (5.65 EXP 4/12/95 for V3.2/1.0/WV) id AA02203; Mon, 16 Dec 1996 06:57:10 -0800 Received: from ibgzko by zkons1.zko.dec.com; (5.65v3.2/1.1.8.2/28Oct95-0953AM) id AA14811; Mon, 16 Dec 1996 09:57:00 -0500 Received: by ibgzko.zko.dec.com; (5.65v3.2/1.1.8.2/17Nov95-0415PM) id AA19497; Mon, 16 Dec 1996 09:57:14 -0500 Sender: [log in to unmask] To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: Re[2]: Researching NY History through the Internet References: <[log in to unmask]> From: Marc Nozell <[log in to unmask]> Date: 16 Dec 1996 09:57:14 -0500 In-Reply-To: "David Godfrey"'s message of Mon, 16 Dec 96 15:20:31 CET Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]> Lines: 25 X-Mailer: Red Gnus v0.74/XEmacs 19.14 content-length: 1044 >>>>> "DG" == David Godfrey <[log in to unmask]> writes: >>>>> "PT" == philip terrie <[log in to unmask]> writes: PT> Last week someone on this list mentioned RootsWeb (a www PT> site). This looked like an interesting place to look around, PT> but after several tries, I can't make a connection. Does PT> anyone know what's wrong or have a suggestion? DG> The Roots-L list (assuming this is the group you are referring DG> to) was down for a couple days... You can access them through DG> the RAND Corporation Genealogy Club, I believe.. I too noticed that the web site http://www.RootsWeb.com was down for a while over the weekend. It is back now (Monday morning) The mailing list ROOTS-L is how run from RootsWeb.com as are a number of other genealogy related lists. The RootsWeb Genealogical Data Cooperative (www.RootsWeb.com) is run by Brian Leverich who was one of the RAND people. -marc -- Marc Nozell <[log in to unmask]> http://www.rootsweb.com/~nozell (genealogy stuff) From [log in to unmask] Mon Dec 16 10:17:04 1996 Return-Path: <Mailer-Daemon> Received: from MAIL.NYSED.GOV by unix10 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id KAA09959; Mon, 16 Dec 1996 10:17:01 -0500 Received: from SEDDOM1-Message_Server by MAIL.NYSED.GOV with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 16 Dec 1996 10:05:52 -0500 Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]> X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 10:06:10 -0500 From: Vicki Weiss <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Revolution in Cherry Valley -Reply content-length: 450 Newspapers published in the community in which the speech was given or the communities around it may have printed it verbatim or summarized it. Since information traveled relatively slowly at that time, you would need to check the newspapers for at least several weeks (and maybe a couple of months) after the date of the speech. To find out which papers were being published in the area in 1775, contact the NYS Newspaper Project at 518-474-7491. From [log in to unmask] Mon Dec 16 13:38:07 1996 Return-Path: <Mailer-Daemon> Received: from unix2.nysed.gov by unix10 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id NAA10465; Mon, 16 Dec 1996 13:38:06 -0500 Received: from dos56.nysed.gov by unix2.nysed.gov (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id NAA22958; Mon, 16 Dec 1996 13:38:13 -0500 Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 13:37:46 -0800 (PST) From: Jim Corsaro <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask] cc: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: Underground Railroad in New York X-Sender: [log in to unmask] In-Reply-To: <[log in to unmask]> Message-ID: <[log in to unmask]> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII content-length: 3860 From: Jim Corsaro NY State Library Albany, NY [log in to unmask] Chris: Your suggestions re: a meeting about the undergrd. rr in NYS is good; however, your concerns about NYS geography and getting people together are equally correct. As a beginning, how about a session or group of sessions at the NYS History Conference this coming June 1997? Since many interested people will already be at that meeting, it might be a good place to begin to plan a "gazetteer" and map of NYS underground sites. Anyone on the NYS History Conference planning committee out there in listserv land thinks this is a possibility?? jim corsaro On Fri, 13 Dec 1996, Densmore wrote: > Research Proposal: > > I want to second Kevin Cottrell's suggestion about a meeting on the > Underground Railroad in New York State. Lots of people have bits of > information about particular sites or areas, and I think it would be > useful to try to begin a more systematic attempt to connect these isolated > fragments of data into a larger picture. > > At the early stage, it would be useful to try to compile a master list > (perhaps a web site) of all locations said to be part of the URR and the > source of the attribution. Obviously documentation is scarce, and many > sites identified by local traditions which may or may not be accurate. > Some sites are clearly impossible (I was asked about the Hicksite Quaker > meeting house in Buffalo as a possible site-- it wasn't, as it was built > in 1868), and some are documented by first hand (though usually post war) > testimony. This leaves a large number of sites where there needs to be a > critical examination of the attributions. At least in a preliminary stage, > it would be best, I think, to include any possible site and then work > toward identifying which of those are proveable, possible, plausible, > implausible and impossible. > > As part of this effort, I think it would be useful to create a map of New > York State showing those locations where there was known anti-slavery > activity or communities which may have been sympathetic to fugitives. > > (1) African-American Communities > (2) Explicitly Anti-Slavery Churches > a. Society of Friends (Quakers) > b. Free Will Baptists > c. Wesleyan Methodists > d. Seventh Day Baptists > e. other churches... > (3) Organized Anti-Slavery > a. branches of the American Anti-Slavery Society > b. agents for the LIBERATOR and ANTI-SLAVERY STANDARD > c. local abolition societies > > > Part of this interest comes from following the routes of abolitionist > lecturers through western New York via reports in the abolitionist papers. > Often they appear to be traveling known routes where they could expect > some support and assistance. I think I am making an assumption here that > the URR was not in most places a highly organized affair with regular > "service" but generally consisted of informal networks (perhaps several > overlapping networks) that were able to assist fugitives. > > Part of the problem in organizing a meeting is the geography of the > state, that is, getting people from all parts of the state into the same > room. Buffalo is a long way from Albany and further from New York City and > Long Island. It may be more realistic to begin by thinking regionally, and > work towards a meeting (or some other form of sharing information) that > would focus on central and western New York (if Western New York is > included, it would also be important to make connections to where people > were going on the Canadian side of the Niagara River). > > Christopher Densmore > University Archives > University at Buffalo > 420 Capen Hall > Box 602200 > Buffalo, New York 14260-2200 > > Voice: 716-645-2916 > Fax: 716-645-3714 > E-Mail: [log in to unmask] > > From [log in to unmask] Mon Dec 16 14:25:10 1996 Return-Path: <Mailer-Daemon> Received: from MAIL.NYSED.GOV by unix10 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id OAA10616; Mon, 16 Dec 1996 14:25:09 -0500 Received: from SEDDOM1-Message_Server by MAIL.NYSED.GOV with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 16 Dec 1996 14:24:23 -0500 Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]> X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 14:26:44 -0500 From: Phil Lord <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask] Cc: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: Underground Railroad in New York -Reply content-length: 870 Does anyone else see the irony in this, or have I been staring at this computer screen too long? The whole Underground RR discussion got started on the Internet, on a list-serv.... the very technology that allows us to transcend the limitations of geography. Is it a step forward to take a cyber-discussion from the Internet back to the conference setting, with all the problems of driving time, parking, fees, motels.....? Sure, I understand the value of getting together face to face, but the Internet was supposed to be democratizing..... you no longer had to have travel funds and an extra three days to participate. Is there a medium out here, somewhere between a list-serv and a chat room, that would allow all of us interested in the subject to have an electronic conference? [The delete button is the one .......] Phil Lord NYS Museum [log in to unmask] From [log in to unmask] Mon Dec 16 14:38:45 1996 Return-Path: <Mailer-Daemon> Received: from unix2.nysed.gov by unix10 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id OAA10651; Mon, 16 Dec 1996 14:38:45 -0500 Received: from dos56.nysed.gov by unix2.nysed.gov (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id OAA23495; Mon, 16 Dec 1996 14:38:52 -0500 Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 14:38:24 -0800 (PST) From: Jim Corsaro <[log in to unmask]> To: Phil Lord <[log in to unmask]> cc: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: Underground Railroad in New York -Reply X-Sender: [log in to unmask] In-Reply-To: <[log in to unmask]> Message-ID: <[log in to unmask]> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII content-length: 1983 Phil: Yes, the Net can be a democratizing medium and certainly ugrd.rr. discussions can continue on it. However, if there is going to be a NYS History Conference meeting anyways, why not have a session on the rr? Perhaps there could be a series of sessions on memory and NYS history which would include a session on the myth and reality of the rr. in NYS? Three other reasons for suggesting the NYS History Conference.: 1. If people thought it was a good idea to meet to discuss this topic, the Conference is already meeting and this would save the time and expense of a special ugrd. rr meeting. 2. The Net is not always a democratic medium; plenty of people still do not have access to it or to pcs in general. 3. I like talking to people face to face. Cyberally yours, A Manuscript Cyberpunk James Corsaro Associate Librarian Manuscripts and Special Collections New York State Library Empire State Plaza Albany, New York 12230 e-mail: [log in to unmask] (518) 474-5963 On Mon, 16 Dec 1996, Phil Lord wrote: > Does anyone else see the irony in this, or have I been staring at this > computer screen too long? The whole Underground RR discussion got > started on the Internet, on a list-serv.... the very technology that allows > us to transcend the limitations of geography. > > Is it a step forward to take a cyber-discussion from the Internet back to > the conference setting, with all the problems of driving time, parking, > fees, motels.....? > > Sure, I understand the value of getting together face to face, but the > Internet was supposed to be democratizing..... you no longer had to have > travel funds and an extra three days to participate. > > Is there a medium out here, somewhere between a list-serv and a chat > room, that would allow all of us interested in the subject to have an > electronic conference? > > [The delete button is the one .......] > > Phil Lord > NYS Museum > [log in to unmask] > > From [log in to unmask] Mon Dec 16 14:51:25 1996 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from mail1.eznet.net by unix10 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id OAA10677; Mon, 16 Dec 1996 14:51:24 -0500 Received: from [207.50.129.107] (dialup33.roc-tc2.eznet.net [207.50.129.107]) by mail1.eznet.net (8.7.3/8.6.9) with ESMTP id OAA06064; Mon, 16 Dec 1996 14:48:33 -0500 Message-Id: <v03007800aedb573f7344@[207.50.129.58]> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/enriched; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 14:47:42 -0500 To: [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask] From: David Minor <[log in to unmask]> Subject: NYNY 1755-1759 content-length: 3737 <fontfamily><param>Geneva</param><bigger>1755</bigger> Apr 14 General Edward Braddock meets in Alexandria, Virginia, with the governors of Maryland, Massachusetts, New York, North Carolina, Pennsylvania, and Virginia, to plan strategy for attacks on French defenses. Sep 8 =09 English general William Johnson defeats the French at Lake George, New York. Sep 9 =09 A French expedition against Albany, under Ludwig August, Baron Dieskau, is turned back by Johnson. State William Johnson is knighted. He is named Superintendent of Indian Affairs by the British, establishes a headquarters near Canajoharie, on the Mohawk, and builds Fort William Henry at the head of Lake George. <bigger>1756</bigger> Aug 2 =09 =46rench and Indians blockade the harbor at Fort Oswego, on Lake Ontario. Aug 9 =46rench forces under Marquis Montcalm capture Fort William Henry from Colonel George Monroe's defenders. Aug 16 =09 The French and Indians under Montcalm capture Fort Oswego and destroy it. <bigger>1757</bigger> Jan 21=09 New York State pioneer Moses Van Campen is born in Hunterdon City, New Jersey. City Alderman John Cruger, Jr., son of former mayor Johm Cruger, is appointed mayor for the next ten one-year terms. ** The first colonial art exhibit is held. State The approximate date that Otetiani, given the same name as a nearby stream (Always Ready), is born at Canoga, near Waterloo; lives along the Genesee River as an adult. <bigger>1758</bigger> May =09 Troops from Halifax, Nova Scotia, lead by Wolfe, Edward Boscawen and Jeffery Amherst outnumbered 5 to 1, defeat the Americans and British under James Abercromby, at Fort Carillon (Ticonderoga). State Daniel Joncaire Sieur de Chabert settles on the south bank of the Buffalo River (Riviere aux Chevaux), site of the future Buffalo. Pennsylvania Mary Jemison is taken from her parents' frontier farm in Pennsylvania by an Indian raiding party. ** The approximate year the family of New York State pioneer Moses Van Campen moves from Hunterdon County, New Jersey, to Northampton City. <bigger>1759</bigger> Apr 21 =09 Sir William Johnson, Baronet, convenes an Indian council at Canajoharie, New York, rallies the Iroquois to attack the French at =46ort Niagara. The Seneca, some of them from Ganuskago (Dansville), dependent on the British for ammunition and trade goods, agree to an alliance with them. Jun 30 =09 Colonel John Prideaux and Sir William Johnson leave Fort Oswego by boat to prepare the invasion of Fort Niagara. Jul 1 =09 American, British and Indian forces embark at Oswego. Jul 6 =09 The British under Prideaux and Johnson land four miles from Fort Niagara. =20 Jul 7 =09 The French in Fort Niagara spot the British forces.=20 Jul 10 =09 Little Fort Niagara, an outpost, is destroyed by its French troops. Jul 17 =09 The British begin firing on Fort Niagara. Jul 20 =09 Prideaux is killed by an explosion; Sir William Johnson assumes command.=20 Jul 24 =09 The British defeat French relief forces under Fran=E7ois de Ligneris outside Fort Niagara, beat off a second party from the fort. Jul 25 =09 The French, under Fran=E7ois Pouchot, surrender Fort Niagara to British and colonial forces.=20 Jul 26 =09 The French abandon Ticonderoga to the British. City A three-story jail is built next to the almshouse in the current City Hall Park.=20 State Daniel Joncaire Sieur de Chabert abandons his settlement at Buffalo Creek. ** Skenesborough (later Whitehall) is founded. Connecticut New York State pioneer John Beardslee is born in Sharon. </fontfamily> David Minor Eagles Byte Historical Research Rochester, New York 716 264-0423 http://home.eznet.net/~dminor From [log in to unmask] Mon Dec 16 15:03:37 1996 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from x7.boston.juno.com by unix10 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id PAA11003; Mon, 16 Dec 1996 15:03:31 -0500 Received: (from [log in to unmask]) by x7.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id PtW06004; Mon, 16 Dec 1996 15:02:27 EST To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: Researching NY History through the Internet Message-ID: <[log in to unmask]> References: <[log in to unmask]> X-Mailer: Juno 1.15 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0,5-10,12-14,16-17 From: [log in to unmask] (Ruth E Hesterly) Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 15:02:27 EST content-length: 673 Hello Phil, Rootsweb was down for about 36 hours because of a power blowup and the owner had to rebuild the "corner stone" computer of the server system. It was back up and running a few hours ago, and unless something else went wrong, it should be working now. The URL is http://www.rootsweb.com/ Ruth Hesterly [log in to unmask] Online Mentor On Mon, 16 Dec 1996 08:59:27 -0500 (EST) philip terrie <[log in to unmask]> writes: >Last week someone on this list mentioned RootsWeb (a www site). This >looked like an interesting place to look around, but after several >tries, I can't make a connection. Does anyone know what's wrong or have a >suggestion? From [log in to unmask] Mon Dec 16 21:19:53 1996 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from marlo.eagle.ca by unix10 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id VAA11746; Mon, 16 Dec 1996 21:19:52 -0500 Received: from dialin16.eagle.ca (dialin16.eagle.ca [206.186.165.215]) by marlo.eagle.ca (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id VAA26886 for <[log in to unmask]>; Mon, 16 Dec 1996 21:29:13 -0500 Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 21:29:13 -0500 Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]> X-Sender: [log in to unmask] (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: [log in to unmask] From: [log in to unmask] (Ruth Harper) Subject: ATT: David Minor content-length: 678 David, I have been greatly interested in your many postings of New York and New Amsterdam history. Thank you for this contribution to our knowledge. I have saved it all for quick use and future reference. However, I find the following item confusing. Aren't Wolfe, Boscowen and Amherst British commanders?? And if so, how could they defeat the British under James Abercromby?? Could you explain, please?? >1758 >May >Troops from Halifax, Nova Scotia, lead by Wolfe, Edward Boscawen and Jeffery Amherst outnumbered 5 to 1, defeat the Americans and British under James Abercromby, at Fort Carillon (Ticonderoga). Many thanks. Ruth (Pigott) Harper [log in to unmask] From [log in to unmask] Tue Dec 17 10:04:37 1996 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from mail1.eznet.net by unix10 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id KAA12722; Tue, 17 Dec 1996 10:04:36 -0500 Received: from [207.50.129.11] (dialup01.roc-tc1.eznet.net [207.50.129.11]) by mail1.eznet.net (8.7.3/8.6.9) with ESMTP id KAA05766; Tue, 17 Dec 1996 10:00:55 -0500 Message-Id: <v03007800aedc6133b85c@[207.50.129.102]> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/enriched; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Tue, 17 Dec 1996 10:01:55 -0500 To: [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask] From: David Minor <[log in to unmask]> Subject: 1758 Corrected content-length: 4402 <fontfamily><param>Geneva</param><smaller>Gremlins were apparently quite busy in 1756-88, at least if you went by my last post. It was pointed out that I had the British fighting a civil war at Ticonderoga rather than trying to capture the fort from the French. (Although no one picked up on it, you'll notice the date was off by a few months.)=20 Also, the year was off on Fort William Henry. My face is as red as Rudolph's nose! Here's the corrected post. The jury will disregard the previous testimony. Thanks for keeping me honest; I'm not trying to be a revisionist. </smaller><bigger>NYNY 1755-1759</bigger> <bigger>1755</bigger><smaller> Apr 14 General Edward Braddock meets in Alexandria, Virginia, with the governors of Maryland, Massachusetts, New York, North Carolina, Pennsylvania, and Virginia, to plan strategy for attacks on French defenses.</smaller> <smaller>Sep 8 =09 English general William Johnson defeats the French at Lake George, New York. Sep 9 =09 A French expedition against Albany, under Ludwig August, Baron Dieskau, is turned back by Johnson. State William Johnson is knighted. He is named Superintendent of Indian Affairs by the British, establishes a headquarters near Canajoharie, on the Mohawk, and builds Fort William Henry at the head of Lake George. </smaller><bigger>1756</bigger><smaller> Aug 2 =09 =46rench and Indians blockade the harbor at Fort Oswego, on Lake Ontario. Aug 14 =09 The French and Indians under Montcalm capture Fort Oswego and destroy it. </smaller><bigger>1757</bigger><smaller> Jan 21=09 New York State pioneer Moses Van Campen is born in Hunterdon City, New Jersey. Aug 9 =46rench forces under Marquis Montcalm capture Fort William Henry from Colonel George Monro's defenders. City Alderman John Cruger, Jr., son of former mayor Johm Cruger, is appointed mayor for the next ten one-year terms. ** The first colonial art exhibit is held. State - The approximate date that Otetiani, given the same name as a nearby stream (Always Ready), is born at Canoga, near Waterloo; lives along the Genesee River as an adult. </smaller><bigger>1758</bigger><smaller> Jul 8 Troops from Halifax, Nova Scotia, lead by James Abercromby, outnumbering French defenders under Montcalm at Fort Carillon (Ticonderoga) 5 to 1, are driven off. State Daniel Joncaire Sieur de Chabert settles on the south bank of the Buffalo River (Riviere aux Chevaux), site of the future Buffalo. Pennsylvania Mary Jemison is taken from her parents' frontier farm in Pennsylvania by an Indian raiding party. ** The approximate year the family of New York State pioneer Moses Van Campen moves from Hunterdon County, New Jersey, to Northampton City. </smaller><bigger>1759</bigger><smaller> Apr 21 =09 Sir William Johnson, Baronet, convenes an Indian council at Canajoharie, New York, rallies the Iroquois to attack the French at =46ort Niagara. The Seneca, some of them from Ganuskago (Dansville), dependent on the British for ammunition and trade goods, agree to an alliance with them. Jun 30 =09 Colonel John Prideaux and Sir William Johnson leave Fort Oswego by boat to prepare the invasion of Fort Niagara. Jul 1 =09 American, British and Indian forces embark at Oswego. Jul 6 =09 The British under Prideaux and Johnson land four miles from Fort Niagara. =20 Jul 7 =09 The French in Fort Niagara spot the British forces.=20 Jul 10 =09 Little Fort Niagara, an outpost, is destroyed by its French troops. Jul 17 =09 The British begin firing on Fort Niagara. Jul 20 =09 Prideaux is killed by an explosion; Sir William Johnson assumes command.=20 Jul 24 =09 The British defeat French relief forces under Fran=E7ois de Ligneris outside Fort Niagara, beat off a second party from the fort. Jul 25 =09 The French, under Fran=E7ois Pouchot, surrender Fort Niagara to British and colonial forces.=20 Jul 26 =09 The French abandon Ticonderoga to the British. City A three-story jail is built next to the almshouse in the current City Hall Park.=20 State Daniel Joncaire Sieur de Chabert abandons his settlement at Buffalo Creek. ** Skenesborough (later Whitehall) is founded. Connecticut New York State pioneer John Beardslee is born in Sharon. </smaller></fontfamily> David Minor Eagles Byte Historical Research Rochester, New York 716 264-0423 http://home.eznet.net/~dminor From [log in to unmask] Tue Dec 17 13:35:52 1996 Return-Path: <Mailer-Daemon> Received: from unix5.nysed.gov by unix10 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id NAA13034; Tue, 17 Dec 1996 13:35:52 -0500 Received: from museum.nysed.gov (dos90.nysed.gov) by unix5.nysed.gov (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA21452; Tue, 17 Dec 96 13:45:00 EST Received: from MUSEUM/SpoolDir by museum.nysed.gov (Mercury 1.21); 17 Dec 96 13:37:57 EST Received: from SpoolDir by MUSEUM (Mercury 1.21); 17 Dec 96 13:37:43 EST From: "Stefan Bielinski" <[log in to unmask]> Organization: NYS Museum To: [log in to unmask] Date: Tue, 17 Dec 1996 13:37:36 EDT Subject: the Underground Railroad & the Conference on NYS History X-Confirm-Reading-To: "Stefan Bielinski" <[log in to unmask]> X-Pmrqc: 1 Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail v3.30 Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]> content-length: 1002 I've watched with great interest the internet discussion of the URR over the past few weeks. It's one of the great, legendary topics in NYS history. I recall attending a symposium at the Onondaga Historical Association on "Jerry Rescue" a decade or so ago. But in my 21 years with the Conference on New York State History I can't recall a paper presented on any aspect of the subject. The June 6-7, 1997 conference at Saratoga Springs would be a perfect place for those interested in the URR to get together (face to face) focused by a presentation panel (formal paper), or a roundtable (more of a discussion), or a workshop (even more hands-on). Any takers out there? Anyone interested in taking part in the June meeting can buzz me here or call (518-474-6917) and leave a message. The December 31 proposal deadline could be extended some if time is a concern. Get involved! You might like it! Holiday best, Steve Bielinski Conference Coordinator From [log in to unmask] Tue Dec 17 22:47:33 1996 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from buffnet1.buffnet.net by unix10 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id WAA14023; Tue, 17 Dec 1996 22:47:32 -0500 Received: from gppp28.buffnet.net by buffnet1.buffnet.net id aa02052; 17 Dec 96 22:56 EST Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]> X-Sender: [log in to unmask] X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 17 Dec 1996 22:42:46 -0500 To: [log in to unmask] From: Carol Mackey <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: Researching NY History through the Internet content-length: 946 Go to: [log in to unmask] Carol At 08:59 AM 12/16/96 -0500, you wrote: >Last week someone on this list mentioned RootsWeb (a www site). This >looked like an interesting place to look around, but after several tries, >I can't make a connection. Does anyone know what's wrong or have a >suggestion? > >thanks, >phil terrie > >******************************************************************************* > * "Few fully understand what the Adirondack > Philip G. Terrie * wilderness really is. It is a mystery even to >American Culture Studies * those who have crossed and recrossed it by boats >Bowling Green State Univ. * along its avenues, the lakes; and on foot > (419) 372-2785 * through its vast and silent recesses." > * --Verplanck Colvin, 1874 >******************************************************************************* > > > > From [log in to unmask] Tue Dec 17 19:35:12 1996 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from emout01.mail.aol.com by unix10 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id TAA13428; Tue, 17 Dec 1996 19:35:10 -0500 From: [log in to unmask] Received: by emout01.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id TAA01878 for [log in to unmask]; Tue, 17 Dec 1996 19:35:17 -0500 Date: Tue, 17 Dec 1996 19:35:17 -0500 Message-ID: <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: ATT: David Minor content-length: 316 To Whom It May Concern, James Abercromby's forces were driven from the area around Fort Ticoneroga in July of 1758 by the French forces under the command of General Montcalm. I beleive that British troops under Wolfe and Amherst defeated French forces at Louisbourg in 1758. Les Buell [log in to unmask] From [log in to unmask] Wed Dec 18 00:19:21 1996 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from freenet.buffalo.edu by unix10 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id AAA14160; Wed, 18 Dec 1996 00:19:21 -0500 Received: (from ca472@localhost) by freenet.buffalo.edu (8.7.4/8.7.3) id AAA05261; Wed, 18 Dec 1996 00:18:28 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 18 Dec 1996 00:18:26 -0500 (EST) From: Kevin Cottrell Kevin Cottrell <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask] cc: [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: Underground Railroad in New York -Reply In-Reply-To: <[log in to unmask]> Message-ID: <[log in to unmask]> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII content-length: 1555 phil i happen to know alot of people who are very knowledgeable about the topic of the underground railroad. the sad part is although these people are living history lessons who in most cases have given their lives to this history many don't have access to the net or this listserve. i think the irony is...you (us) so-called professional historians can't begin to answer the many questions surrounding this history. there is a limit to high tech as demostrated with this subject. the real historians that i have come across are not in front of computer screens but in the trenches.On Mon, 16 Dec 1996, Phil Lord wrote: > Does anyone else see the irony in this, or have I been staring at this > computer screen too long? The whole Underground RR discussion got > started on the Internet, on a list-serv.... the very technology that allows > us to transcend the limitations of geography. > > Is it a step forward to take a cyber-discussion from the Internet back to > the conference setting, with all the problems of driving time, parking, > fees, motels.....? > > Sure, I understand the value of getting together face to face, but the > Internet was supposed to be democratizing..... you no longer had to have > travel funds and an extra three days to participate. > > Is there a medium out here, somewhere between a list-serv and a chat > room, that would allow all of us interested in the subject to have an > electronic conference? > > [The delete button is the one .......] > > Phil Lord > NYS Museum > [log in to unmask] > > ### From [log in to unmask] Wed Dec 18 00:22:43 1996 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from freenet.buffalo.edu by unix10 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id AAA14178; Wed, 18 Dec 1996 00:22:42 -0500 Received: (from ca472@localhost) by freenet.buffalo.edu (8.7.4/8.7.3) id AAA05376; Wed, 18 Dec 1996 00:21:50 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 18 Dec 1996 00:21:50 -0500 (EST) From: Kevin Cottrell Kevin Cottrell <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask] cc: Phil Lord <[log in to unmask]>, [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: Underground Railroad in New York -Reply In-Reply-To: <[log in to unmask]> Message-ID: <[log in to unmask]> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII content-length: 2306 i could not have said it any better. the people that i have met at these conferences are just amazing! oral history is alive and well.On Mon, 16 Dec 1996, Jim Corsaro wrote: > > > > Phil: > > Yes, the Net can be a democratizing medium and certainly > ugrd.rr. discussions can continue on it. However, if there is going > to be a NYS History Conference meeting anyways, why not have a > session on the rr? Perhaps there could be a series of sessions on > memory and NYS history which would include a session on the myth and > reality of the rr. in NYS? > > Three other reasons for suggesting the NYS History Conference.: > > 1. If people thought it was a good idea to meet to discuss > this topic, the Conference is already meeting and this would save > the time and expense of a special ugrd. rr meeting. > > 2. The Net is not always a democratic medium; plenty of people > still do not have access to it or to pcs in general. > > 3. I like talking to people face to face. > > > Cyberally yours, > > > > A Manuscript Cyberpunk > > > > James Corsaro > Associate Librarian > Manuscripts and Special Collections > New York State Library > Empire State Plaza > Albany, New York 12230 > e-mail: [log in to unmask] > (518) 474-5963 > > > On Mon, 16 Dec 1996, Phil Lord wrote: > > > Does anyone else see the irony in this, or have I been staring at this > > computer screen too long? The whole Underground RR discussion got > > started on the Internet, on a list-serv.... the very technology that allows > > us to transcend the limitations of geography. > > > > Is it a step forward to take a cyber-discussion from the Internet back to > > the conference setting, with all the problems of driving time, parking, > > fees, motels.....? > > > > Sure, I understand the value of getting together face to face, but the > > Internet was supposed to be democratizing..... you no longer had to have > > travel funds and an extra three days to participate. > > > > Is there a medium out here, somewhere between a list-serv and a chat > > room, that would allow all of us interested in the subject to have an > > electronic conference? > > > > [The delete button is the one .......] > > > > Phil Lord > > NYS Museum > > [log in to unmask] > > > > > ### From [log in to unmask] Wed Dec 18 00:40:13 1996 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from freenet.buffalo.edu by unix10 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id AAA14202; Wed, 18 Dec 1996 00:40:12 -0500 Received: (from ca472@localhost) by freenet.buffalo.edu (8.7.4/8.7.3) id AAA06046; Wed, 18 Dec 1996 00:39:20 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 18 Dec 1996 00:39:19 -0500 (EST) From: Kevin Cottrell Kevin Cottrell <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask] cc: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: the Underground Railroad & the Conference on NYS History In-Reply-To: <[log in to unmask]> Message-ID: <[log in to unmask]> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII content-length: 1904 steve i've working very closely with the national park service and their just completed study on the underground railroad. i am very interested in being part of your conference and know others from around the country who would gladly come in as part of this conference. currently i have a company called motherland connextions that specializes in heritage tourism-the underground railroad in western new york and southern ontario. during the month of november i spent a full day with u.s. news and world reports on a story of the underground railroad coming out of the east in new york state. the article is due out in march of 1997. i also assisted tony cohen in his recent 400 mile journey this past summer on the underground railroad my # is 716 278-1719 or 282-1028On Tue, 17 Dec 1996, Stefan Bielinski wrote: > I've watched with great interest the internet discussion of the > URR over the past few weeks. It's one of the great, legendary topics > in NYS history. > > I recall attending a symposium at the Onondaga Historical > Association on "Jerry Rescue" a decade or so ago. But in my 21 years > with the Conference on New York State History I can't recall a paper > presented on any aspect of the subject. > > The June 6-7, 1997 conference at Saratoga Springs would be a > perfect place for those interested in the URR to get together > (face to face) focused by a presentation panel (formal paper), > or a roundtable (more of a discussion), or a workshop (even more > hands-on). Any takers out there? > > Anyone interested in taking part in the June meeting can buzz > me here or call (518-474-6917) and leave a message. The December > 31 proposal deadline could be extended some if time is a concern. > > Get involved! You might like it! > > Holiday best, > Steve Bielinski > Conference Coordinator > > > > > > > > > > ### From [log in to unmask] Wed Dec 18 11:41:39 1996 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from syr.edu by unix10 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id LAA15565; Wed, 18 Dec 1996 11:41:38 -0500 Received: from SUED.SYR.EDU by syr.edu (8.8.3/CNS) id LAA18125; Wed, 18 Dec 1996 11:44:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from SUED/MERCURYQ by SUED.SYR.EDU (Mercury 1.21); 18 Dec 96 11:43:51 EDT Received: from MERCURYQ by SUED (Mercury 1.21); 18 Dec 96 11:43:25 EDT From: "John Briggs" <[log in to unmask]> Organization: SU School of Education To: [log in to unmask] Date: Wed, 18 Dec 1996 11:43:22 EDT Subject: Re: the Underground Railroad X-pmrqc: 1 Return-receipt-to: "John Briggs" <[log in to unmask]> Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail/Windows (v1.11a) Message-ID: <[log in to unmask]> content-length: 724 Unless I missed something, there was no mention of McGraw as a site of underground railroad activity. As the location of New York Central College it would seem to have been a logical place for such activity. NYCC was founded as "Free Central College" on the principle of both racial and gender based co-education in the late 1840's. It was supported by abolitionists such as Garrit Smith, William LLoyd Garrison, etc. Do none of the general accounts mention McGraw? JOHN W BRIGGS 362 Huntington Hall Syracuse University Syracuse, NY 12344-2340 [log in to unmask] Phone 315-443-9077 Fax 315-443-9218 From [log in to unmask] Wed Dec 18 14:03:36 1996 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from post4.inre.asu.edu by unix10 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id OAA15937; Wed, 18 Dec 1996 14:03:35 -0500 Received: from general4.asu.edu by asu.edu (PMDF V5.0-6 #7723) id <[log in to unmask]> for [log in to unmask]; Wed, 18 Dec 1996 12:03:40 -0700 (MST) Received: from general4.asu.edu (LOCALHOST [127.0.0.1]) by general4.asu.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id MAA03579 for <[log in to unmask]>; Wed, 18 Dec 1996 12:03:38 -0700 Date: Wed, 18 Dec 1996 12:03:38 -0700 (MST) From: TJ Davis <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: the Underground Railroad & the Conference on NYS History In-reply-to: <[log in to unmask]> X-Sender: [log in to unmask] To: [log in to unmask] Message-id: <[log in to unmask]> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT content-length: 2031 The 1988 Conference on New York State History Conference at Colgate University did, in fact, have a session titled "Black Rights and the Law in 19th Century New York," that included a paper on the Jerry Rescue by a then ABD at the University at Binghampton. Paul Finkelman, then at Binghampton, also read a paper on fugitive slave issues. I chaired the session. The rescue and underground railroad topic remains ripe for conference consideration, but that does not preclude continued and more developed exchange here on the topic. Cheers, Professor T. J. Davis, Ph.D., J.D. Department of History Arizona State University Box 872501 Tempe AZ 85287-2501 (602) 965-4931 (voice) (602) 965-0310 (facsimile) On Tue, 17 Dec 1996, Stefan Bielinski wrote: > Date: Tue, 17 Dec 1996 13:37:36 -0400 (EDT) > From: Stefan Bielinski <[log in to unmask]> > To: [log in to unmask] > Subject: the Underground Railroad & the Conference on NYS History > > I've watched with great interest the internet discussion of the > URR over the past few weeks. It's one of the great, legendary topics > in NYS history. > > I recall attending a symposium at the Onondaga Historical > Association on "Jerry Rescue" a decade or so ago. But in my 21 years > with the Conference on New York State History I can't recall a paper > presented on any aspect of the subject. > > The June 6-7, 1997 conference at Saratoga Springs would be a > perfect place for those interested in the URR to get together > (face to face) focused by a presentation panel (formal paper), > or a roundtable (more of a discussion), or a workshop (even more > hands-on). Any takers out there? > > Anyone interested in taking part in the June meeting can buzz > me here or call (518-474-6917) and leave a message. The December > 31 proposal deadline could be extended some if time is a concern. > > Get involved! You might like it! > > Holiday best, > Steve Bielinski > Conference Coordinator > > > > > > > > > > From [log in to unmask] Wed Dec 18 18:47:14 1996 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from vivanet.com by unix10 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id SAA16398; Wed, 18 Dec 1996 18:47:13 -0500 Received: from estral.vivanet.com (ipal239.vivanet.com [206.25.244.239]) by vivanet.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA24006 for <[log in to unmask]>; Wed, 18 Dec 1996 18:51:43 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <[log in to unmask]> Date: Wed, 18 Dec 1996 18:47:16 -0500 From: jmyers <[log in to unmask]> X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: Researching NY History through the Internet References: <[log in to unmask]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit content-length: 836 Carol Mackey wrote: > > Go to: [log in to unmask] > > Carol > > At 08:59 AM 12/16/96 -0500, you wrote: > >Last week someone on this list mentioned RootsWeb (a www site). This > >looked like an interesting place to look around, but after several tries, > >I can't make a connection. Does anyone know what's wrong or have a > >suggestion? > > > >thanks, > >phil terrie ************************************************************************ Okay, I've tried to resist this thread, but I can't any longer. While you are at rootsweb.com; don't forget to check out the NYGenweb page located there: http://www.rootsweb.com/~nygenweb for such goodies as Tryon County, Civil War medal of honor recipients, Governors of NY, and links to every county in NYS. And always, we welcome contributions. Kim Harris Myers NYGenWeb Coordinator From [log in to unmask] Wed Dec 18 23:09:19 1996 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from vivanet.com by unix10 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id XAA16994; Wed, 18 Dec 1996 23:09:18 -0500 Received: from estral.vivanet.com (ipal231.vivanet.com [206.25.244.231]) by vivanet.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id XAA15782; Wed, 18 Dec 1996 23:13:35 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]> X-Sender: [log in to unmask] X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 18 Dec 1996 23:09:17 -0500 To: [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask] From: Kim Myers <[log in to unmask]> Subject: New Ireland, Cattaraugus County, NY project Cc: [log in to unmask] content-length: 1039 The NYGenweb was contacted by the AP History class of Cleveland Hill in Erie County, requesting help on a class project as follows: We are an Advanced Placement United States History class that is researching a small Irish immigrant settlement in Cattaraugus County circa 1840-1920. We have found the names of the original founding families and are trying to compile a history of this settlement. See our website: Http://www.clevehill.wnyric.org Then look for the Advanced Placement History Project. You can send any information to this email: [log in to unmask] Thanks for any assistance you can give. I will be forwarded information from them from time to time. Its exciting to see a group of young people interested in history and genealogy. Let's help them out the best we can. Kim Harris Myers NYGenWeb coordinator Kim Harris Myers <[log in to unmask]> Coordinator for NYS Gen Web page http://www.rootsweb.com/~nygenweb/ http://www.rootsweb.com/~nycattar Happy Holidays from the Myers family! ==================== From [log in to unmask] Thu Dec 19 08:33:30 1996 Return-Path: <Mailer-Daemon> Received: from MAIL.NYSED.GOV by unix10 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id IAA17355; Thu, 19 Dec 1996 08:33:29 -0500 Received: from SEDDOM1-Message_Server by MAIL.NYSED.GOV with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 19 Dec 1996 08:32:38 -0500 Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]> X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Thu, 19 Dec 1996 08:34:50 -0500 From: Phil Lord <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask] Cc: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: Cultural Maps -Reply content-length: 1229 I have to also express some concern about mapping archeological areas on the Wisconsin cultural map, which I took a peek at on the WWW. The address given, by the way, is incorrect. It should end with culmap.htm not cultmap\ At any rate, unless some very aggressive measures are taken to protect these sites from relic collectors, such as signage all around the areas, or enforcement agreements with the landowners, and unless Wisconsin has laws making designated archeological areas protected in some way [New York can not protect sites on private land, and I assume most other states can do no better] this map will not only enhance heritage tourism but pothunting as well. There has always been this tension between education and protection where archeological sites are concerned, be they shipwrecks, Indian sites, historic settlements, or battlefields. There is no easy solution...perhaps no solution at all. So professionals have tended to err on the side of preservation and keep such locations secret, except for certain managed sites [National Parks, etc.]. I would be interested, having worked for 20 years in this subject area, to hear from others on all sides of the issue. Philip Lord, Jr. NYS Museum Albany, NY From [log in to unmask] Thu Dec 19 08:34:12 1996 Return-Path: <Mailer-Daemon> Received: from MAIL.NYSED.GOV by unix10 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id IAA17372; Thu, 19 Dec 1996 08:34:11 -0500 Received: from SEDDOM1-Message_Server by MAIL.NYSED.GOV with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 19 Dec 1996 08:33:18 -0500 Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]> X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Thu, 19 Dec 1996 08:35:41 -0500 From: Phil Lord <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: Cultural Maps -Forwarded content-length: 953 I am forwarding some comments from H-LOCAL that may be of interest. Received: from MSU.EDU by msu.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R3) with BSMTP id 6087; Wed, 18 Dec 96 16:15:19 EST Received: from MSU.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@MSU) by MSU.EDU (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 0653; Wed, 18 Dec 1996 16:15:19 -0500 Date: Wed, 18 Dec 1996 16:13:14 EST Reply-To: H-Net DISCUSSION LIST FOR LOCAL AND STATE HISTORY <[log in to unmask]> Sender: H-Net DISCUSSION LIST FOR LOCAL AND STATE HISTORY <[log in to unmask]> From: "Thomas M. Costa" <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: Cultural Maps To: Multiple recipients of list H-LOCAL <[log in to unmask]> Date: Wed, 18 Dec 1996 11:07:57 -0500 From: Jim Levandowski <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: Cultural Maps Is it such a good idea putting these resources on a map for everyone to see especially those people known as pothunters??? Jim Levandowski From [log in to unmask] Thu Dec 19 08:35:22 1996 Return-Path: <Mailer-Daemon> Received: from MAIL.NYSED.GOV by unix10 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id IAA17389; Thu, 19 Dec 1996 08:35:21 -0500 Received: from SEDDOM1-Message_Server by MAIL.NYSED.GOV with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 19 Dec 1996 08:34:29 -0500 Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]> X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Thu, 19 Dec 1996 08:36:50 -0500 From: Phil Lord <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Wisconsin cultural map -Forwarded content-length: 1077 Received: from MSU.EDU by msu.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R3) with BSMTP id 5562; Wed, 18 Dec 96 16:15:48 EST Received: from MSU.EDU (NJE origin LISTSERV@MSU) by MSU.EDU (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 0665; Wed, 18 Dec 1996 16:15:30 -0500 Date: Wed, 18 Dec 1996 16:14:32 EST Reply-To: H-Net DISCUSSION LIST FOR LOCAL AND STATE HISTORY <[log in to unmask]> Sender: H-Net DISCUSSION LIST FOR LOCAL AND STATE HISTORY <[log in to unmask]> From: "Thomas M. Costa" <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Wisconsin cultural map To: Multiple recipients of list H-LOCAL <[log in to unmask]> Date: Wed, 18 Dec 1996 12:08:22 -0500 From: [log in to unmask] (Jennifer D Brown) Subject: Wisconsin cultural map I have found the web page for the Wisconsin cultural map project. It is located at: http://feature.geography.wisc.edu/cultmap/ The page includes a sample image from the map. Happy holidays! Jennifer D. Brown Historian National Park Service/Southeast Support Office From [log in to unmask] Thu Dec 19 14:12:19 1996 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from valley.vlc.lib.mi.us by unix10 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id OAA19010; Thu, 19 Dec 1996 14:12:18 -0500 Received: by valley.vlc.lib.mi.us; (5.65v3.2/1.1.8.2/06Oct95-1028AM) id AA23547; Thu, 19 Dec 1996 14:13:31 -0500 Date: Thu, 19 Dec 1996 14:13:30 -0500 (EST) From: Anna Mae Maday <[log in to unmask]> To: Phil Lord <[log in to unmask]> Cc: [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: Cultural Maps -Reply In-Reply-To: <[log in to unmask]> Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII content-length: 2402 I have heard of some pothunting problems in Michigan over the years and cringe whenever someone asks for information or maps of Indian sites. Our copy of Hinsdale's Archaeological Maps for Michigan has the local area pages cut out of them by those with pothunting mentalities. Replacing these pages with photocopies was not successful because they also turn up missing. Working in a public library means supplying information to the public so my solution is to supply persons with the address of the History Division at Lansing. They keep current a list of archaeological sites in the state However I believe they would not give this information out randomly. Many books and periodicials on the subjects of archaeological studies may be available at libraries, and newspaper articles on new discoveries will also be available, so pothunters will always have a source of information, whether it be in old county histories, etc. Anna Mae Maday Eddy Historical & Genealogy Collection Hoyt Public Library 505 Janes Ave Saginaw MI 48607 [log in to unmask] 517-755-9827 On Thu, 19 Dec 1996, Phil Lord wrote: > I have to also express some concern about mapping archeological areas > on the Wisconsin cultural map, which I took a peek at on the WWW. The > address given, by the way, is incorrect. It should end with culmap.htm > not cultmap\ > > At any rate, unless some very aggressive measures are taken to protect > these sites from relic collectors, such as signage all around the areas, or > enforcement agreements with the landowners, and unless Wisconsin > has laws making designated archeological areas protected in some way > [New York can not protect sites on private land, and I assume most other > states can do no better] this map will not only enhance heritage tourism > but pothunting as well. > > There has always been this tension between education and protection > where archeological sites are concerned, be they shipwrecks, Indian > sites, historic settlements, or battlefields. There is no easy > solution...perhaps no solution at all. So professionals have tended to err > on the side of preservation and keep such locations secret, except for > certain managed sites [National Parks, etc.]. > > I would be interested, having worked for 20 years in this subject area, to > hear from others on all sides of the issue. > > Philip Lord, Jr. > NYS Museum > Albany, NY > > From [log in to unmask] Sat Dec 21 01:15:15 1996 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from mail1.eznet.net by unix10 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id BAA21897; Sat, 21 Dec 1996 01:15:14 -0500 Received: from [207.50.129.20] (dialup10.roc-tc1.eznet.net [207.50.129.20]) by mail1.eznet.net (8.7.3/8.6.9) with ESMTP id BAA02813 for <[log in to unmask]>; Sat, 21 Dec 1996 01:14:20 -0500 Message-Id: <v03007800aee130f31231@[207.50.129.50]> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 21 Dec 1996 01:16:04 -0500 To: [log in to unmask] From: David Minor <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Corrections content-length: 1298 To: [log in to unmask] From: David Minor <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: ATT: David Minor Cc: [log in to unmask] Les, Thanks for helping me update the 1750s. I imagine you got my corrcetions regarding Ticonderoga about the time your message went out. As for Louisbourg, I try to confine this particular chronology to either things that occurred in New York or pertain to people considered New Yorkers. But it is good you posted the information; it will help round out the F&I War era for those not too familiar with it. >Date: Wed, Dec 18, 1996 11:20 AM EDT >From: [log in to unmask] >X-From: [log in to unmask] >Sender: [log in to unmask] >Reply-to: [log in to unmask] >To: [log in to unmask] > >To Whom It May Concern, > James Abercromby's forces were driven from the area around Fort >Ticoneroga in July of 1758 by the French forces under the command of General >Montcalm. > I beleive that British troops under Wolfe and Amherst defeated French >forces at Louisbourg in 1758. > >Les Buell [log in to unmask] David Minor Eagles Byte Historical Research Rochester, New York 716 264-0423 http://home.eznet.net/~dminor David Minor Eagles Byte Historical Research Rochester, New York 716 264-0423 http://home.eznet.net/~dminor From [log in to unmask] Sun Dec 22 11:08:59 1996 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from buffalo1.localnet.com by unix10 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id LAA23555; Sun, 22 Dec 1996 11:08:57 -0500 Received: from viola (ppp18.syr.localnet.com [206.84.152.84]) by buffalo1.localnet.com (8.8.2/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA08772 for <[log in to unmask]>; Sun, 22 Dec 1996 11:10:16 -0500 Message-ID: <[log in to unmask]> Date: Sun, 22 Dec 1996 11:17:09 -0800 From: Spike <[log in to unmask]> Organization: MRH Stable X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: Researching NY History through the Internet References: <[log in to unmask]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit content-length: 745 Ray Marshall wrote: > > http://www.rootsweb.com/ > > Rootsweb is the home of the Roots-L list, much of the USGenWeb network and > most recently of the Irish Genealogical Society, Int'l > (http://www.rootsweb.com/~irish/index.html) > > Ray Marshall > Minneapolis, Minnesota > Fellow listers: While surfin the web for NYS historical publications I stumbled on a nice web site http://hopefarm.com..... This Hope Farm Press website is designed as a low-tech, fast loading, content-rich look at the history of New York State. It contains nearly 300 files listing over 1400 books on all regions of New York, with color cover pictures, excerpts from the text, reviews, etc. of the books Hope Farm either publishes or distributes. Mike From [log in to unmask] Mon Dec 23 20:01:28 1996 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from eideti.com by unix10 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id UAA25835; Mon, 23 Dec 1996 20:01:24 -0500 Received: from annex1-4.infi-net.com (annex1-6.infi-net.com [199.171.97.156]) by eideti.com (8.8.4/8.6.12) with SMTP id UAA21490 for <[log in to unmask]>; Mon, 23 Dec 1996 20:01:35 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]> X-Sender: [log in to unmask] X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 23 Dec 1996 19:58:17 -0500 To: [log in to unmask] From: [log in to unmask] (Susan Walski) Subject: 4th grade project content-length: 511 Dear Fellow History lovers, I am writing on behalf of my son's 4th grade class. Just after the New Year his teacher has informed me that he will be studing NY State Explorers. Both his teacher and myself were hoping some of the folks here on NYhist-l could offer up some names of explorer who help to discover this great state. Particularly any from Orange County. Thanks in advance. Susan Susan Walski Genealogy: The only hobby where finding dead people can excite you! http://www.eideti.com/~swalski From [log in to unmask] Mon Dec 23 21:23:01 1996 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from vivanet.com by unix10 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id VAA26070; Mon, 23 Dec 1996 21:23:00 -0500 Received: from estral.vivanet.com (ipal240.vivanet.com [206.25.244.240]) by vivanet.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id VAA24026 for <[log in to unmask]>; Mon, 23 Dec 1996 21:27:31 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]> X-Sender: [log in to unmask] X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 23 Dec 1996 16:03:24 -0500 To: [log in to unmask] From: [log in to unmask] (Geri Kanner) (by way of Kim Myers <[log in to unmask]>) Subject: World Trade Center and surounding Area's content-length: 685 Can someone help this person? Thanks-Kim. ===== 1.Who owned the Original Track of land that now the world trade Center sits on. 2. what was the selling price. 3. There is a Street in Brooklyn Called Ryerson Street. Who was it named after and Why? 4. There was a ship nmaed the U.S.S. Ryerson who was it named after and why. 5. Seeking information on a Tablet that was placed in the Seventy-First Regiment Armory of NY. After the Civil War. Sup. My GGG grandfather name was the second name on the Tablet. Would anyone know where I could find this Tablet or any information on it. Please e-mail me at [log in to unmask] thanking you in Advance Geraldine Ryerson Kanner GRK From [log in to unmask] Fri Dec 27 16:04:04 1996 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from taz.gonzaga.edu by unix10 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id QAA01867; Fri, 27 Dec 1996 16:04:00 -0500 Received: from lawschool.gonzaga.edu by taz.gonzaga.edu with SMTP (1.38.193.5/16.2) id AA02053; Fri, 27 Dec 1996 13:21:28 -0800 Received: by lawschool.gonzaga.edu with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.993.5) id <[log in to unmask]>; Fri, 27 Dec 1996 13:05:47 -0800 Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]> From: Kevin Gray <[log in to unmask]> To: "[log in to unmask]" <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Driggs Avenue, Brooklyn Date: Fri, 27 Dec 1996 13:05:45 -0800 Return-Receipt-To: <[log in to unmask]> X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.993.5 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit content-length: 409 Does anyone on the list know when and how Driggs Avenue, which courses through the Greenpoint and Williamsburg sections of Brooklyn, got its name? Thanks, Kevin Kevin P. Gray Assistant Professor and Head of Research and Instruction Gonzaga University School of Law Library Spokane, Washington [log in to unmask] v 509/328-4220, ext. 3750 f 509/324-5733 http://law.gonzaga.edu/library/libhome.html From [log in to unmask] Sat Dec 28 16:57:53 1996 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from loomis.berkshire.net by unix10 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id QAA03126; Sat, 28 Dec 1996 16:57:51 -0500 Received: from loomis.berkshire.net ([log in to unmask] [206.72.196.10]) by loomis.berkshire.net (8.8.4/8.7.1) with SMTP id QAA25099 for <[log in to unmask]>; Sat, 28 Dec 1996 16:59:23 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 28 Dec 1996 16:59:23 -0500 (EST) From: "Michael D. Bathrick" <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Witchcraft in the Upper Hudson Valley Message-ID: <[log in to unmask]> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII content-length: 495 I've noticed several references lately to witches in the Dutchess, Columbia, Rensselaer County area - but everything is from oral tradition. Does anyone know of any primary sources - trial transcripts, detailed tales, diaries, etc. - which mention in more detail what the average person believed a witch did or was? Was there a difference between the beliefs of the Dutch, Germans and English about witches? How pervasive were these beliefs? Any references would be appreciated. Mike From [log in to unmask] Sun Dec 29 09:51:31 1996 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from vivanet.com by unix10 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id JAA03907; Sun, 29 Dec 1996 09:51:30 -0500 Received: from estral.vivanet.com (ipal238.vivanet.com [206.25.244.238]) by vivanet.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA25318 for <[log in to unmask]>; Sun, 29 Dec 1996 09:56:21 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]> X-Sender: [log in to unmask] X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 29 Dec 1996 09:51:49 -0500 To: [log in to unmask] From: Nancy Trice <[log in to unmask]> (by way of Kim Myers <[log in to unmask]>) Subject: Re: WEB: Underground RR content-length: 422 With all the discussion lately about the Underground Railroad, thought this might be of interest to the list. At 09:52 PM 12/28/96 -0700, you wrote: >"Directory of Underground Railroad Operators >Organized by State and County" > >http://www2.ari.net/ugrr/ur-names.html > >Elaine Johnson <[log in to unmask]> <http://www.ida.net/users/elaine/genea.htm> >Idaho Coordinator, USGenWeb Project <http://www.usgenweb.com/id> > From [log in to unmask] Mon Dec 30 13:44:56 1996 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from mail1.eznet.net by unix10 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id NAA01634; Mon, 30 Dec 1996 13:44:55 -0500 Received: from [207.50.129.46] (dialup36.roc-tc1.eznet.net [207.50.129.46]) by mail1.eznet.net (8.7.3/8.6.9) with ESMTP id NAA01360; Mon, 30 Dec 1996 13:29:38 -0500 Message-Id: <v03007800aeedb2741c0c@[207.50.129.118]> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/enriched; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Mon, 30 Dec 1996 13:01:59 -0500 To: [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask] From: David Minor <[log in to unmask]> Subject: NYNY 1770-1774 content-length: 4941 <fontfamily><param>Geneva</param><smaller>1770 Jan 17 =09 British soldiers tears down New York City's liberty pole. Golden Hill becomes the site of anti-British riots lasting two days. Jan 19 New York City Sons of Liberty leader Alexander McDougall leads an attack on British troops in a skirmish on Golden Hill. =46eb 8 =09 Alexander McDougall is jailed by the British for publishing an anti-Quartering Act broadside. Apr 29 Alexander McDougall is released on bail by the British. Aug 21 =09 A statue of George III is erected in New York City's Bowling Green. Indians The Treaty of Fort Stanwyx is ratified. Law New York attorney John Wells is born. City King's College (Columbia) awards the first two doctorates of medicine in the North American colonies. State Additions are built on Newburgh's Jonathan Hasbrouck House. 1771 Apr 27 Alexander McDougall is released by the British. City=20 A fence is erected around the Bowling Green. ** Lord Dunmore completes his year as governor, leaves the colony. ** Sir William Johnson begins advertising for settlers for Kingsborough, his land along the Mohawk River. State=20 Otetiani tells a tribal council he dreamt three times he was a sachem. Tribal elders hesitate to make him one. 1774 =46ebruary=09 The <italic>Commerce </italic>registers in Greenock, Scotland, with 212 passengers. =46eb 11 =09 Whitelaw and Allen write to the Scots American Company recommending a settlement at Ryegate. Mar 12 =09 The Seneca Indian Otetiani (Red Jacket) tells the elders that a recent smallpox outbreak is the Great Spirit's punishment for their not proclaiming him a sachem. He is made one and given the name Sagoyewatha (He-Keeps-Them-Awake). Mar 17 =09 The packet <italic>Friendship </italic>out of Philadelphia arrives in Stornoway, Scotland, to sign on indentured servants for the colonies. Apr 16 =09 The <italic>Commerce </italic>arrives in New York from Edinburgh with 230 passengers aboard. Apr 22 =09 British tea is burned in New York City. <bold>May</bold> =09 Nine men, and one family, including Robert Brock and his son Andrew, arrive to settlein Ryegate from Scotland. <bold>June</bold> =09 John Wetherhead advertises New York lands in the <italic>Leeds Intelligencer</italic>, Jun 12 =09 The <italic>Friendship , </italic>captained by Thomas Jann, arrives in Philadelphia bringing 106 Scots immigrants, many of them indentured servants. Jun 30 =09 The <italic>Friendship </italic>servants are advertised in New York newspapers. Jul 1 =09 The new Ryegate arrivals take possession of their land claims in the settlement. Jul 13 =09 John Cumming arrives in New York on the <italic>George of Greenock </italic>. <bold>August</bold> =09 Captain Lindsay of East Greenwich, Rhode Island, returns from New York City with new arms for town's Light Artillery company. Aug 6 =09 Shaker movement founder Mother Ann Lee arrives in New York from Liverpool, along with eight disciples. <bold>October</bold> =09 William Neilson, of Erskine Parish, Scotland, arrives in Ryegate with his family. Oct 13 =09 The Iroquois tribes hold a council at Onondaga. Joseph Brant (Thayendenegea), official representative of Colonel Guy Johnson, Sir William's son-in-law and successor urges the Nation to ally itself with the British. Red Jacket, distrusting Brant's connection with whites, urges neutrality. No decision is reached. Oct 20 =09 Surveyors Valentine and Collins complete a survey of the New York-Qu=E9bec border at 74=B0 North. <bold>November</bold>=09 Ryegate pioneer David Allen arrives back in Scotland. =20 Nov 8 =09 New York's Samuel Holland and Pennsylvania's David Rittenhouse are appointed as commissioners to run the boundary line between their colonies. The Revolution halts their plans. Nov 16 =09 Westchester County Loyalist minister attacks the Continental Congress in his <italic>Free Thoughts on the Proceedings of the Continental Congress</italic>, signing it "Westchester Farmer". Education King's College Loyalist president Myles Cooper publishes the pamphlet <italic>A Friendly Address to all Reasonable Americans</italic>, anonymously. Geography The New York-New Jersey border is marked. New Jersey The local committee in Newark recommends a boycott of the loyalist New York City newspaper <italic>Rivington's Gazette</italic>. City Local residents force a merchant to remove 16 sheep from his vessel before permitting it to sail to the West Indies, to comply with Article 7 of the Association. ** A group of English Shakers arrive. In two years they will move upstate to Albany County to become the Watervliet Society. State Ten farms on the Blenheim Patent are sold. ** Cornplanter's son Henry is born.</smaller></fontfamily> David Minor Eagles Byte Historical Research Rochester, New York 716 264-0423 http://home.eznet.net/~dminor From [log in to unmask] Mon Dec 30 21:49:21 1996 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from emout05.mail.aol.com by unix10 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id VAA01087; Mon, 30 Dec 1996 21:49:20 -0500 From: [log in to unmask] Received: by emout05.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id VAA02556 for [log in to unmask]; Mon, 30 Dec 1996 21:49:37 -0500 Date: Mon, 30 Dec 1996 21:49:37 -0500 Message-ID: <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Alice Austen content-length: 492 I am doing research on the photographer Alice Austen. Does anyone out there have any information on this nineteenth century photographer who was born and lived in Staten Island (1866-1952)? I have been to the Museum on SI and the SI historical society. Right now I am hoping to locate letters that Austen may have written to relatives and friends in the Catskill and Adirondack areas. Also I am looking for photographs that may not be in the collections on Staten Island. Thank you. Amy From [log in to unmask] Tue Dec 31 11:17:58 1996 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from eideti.com by unix10 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id LAA02338; Tue, 31 Dec 1996 11:17:52 -0500 Received: from annex1-7.infi-net.com (annex1-7.infi-net.com [199.171.97.157]) by eideti.com (8.8.4/8.6.12) with SMTP id LAA26779 for <[log in to unmask]>; Tue, 31 Dec 1996 11:18:00 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]> X-Sender: [log in to unmask] X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 31 Dec 1996 11:14:24 -0500 To: [log in to unmask] From: [log in to unmask] (Susan Walski) Subject: Re: Alice Austen content-length: 787 >I am doing research on the photographer Alice Austen. Does anyone out there >have any information on this nineteenth century photographer who was born and >lived in Staten Island (1866-1952)? I have been to the Museum on SI and the >SI historical society. Right now I am hoping to locate letters that Austen >may have written to relatives and friends in the Catskill and Adirondack >areas. Also I am looking for photographs that may not be in the collections >on Staten Island. Thank you. Amy > If you are looking for Photo's, the New York Public Library on 5th Ave and 42nd St. has a Photograph division. They go by photographer. You may wish to try there. Susan Susan Walski Genealogy: The only hobby where finding dead people can excite you! http://www.eideti.com/~swalski