Hauppauge, Nassau County, Long Island.
From [log in to unmask] Thu Nov 2 10:02:27 1995
Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]>
Received: from ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4)
id AA22279; Thu, 2 Nov 1995 10:02:26 -0500
Received: from ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu by ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu (PMDF V4.3-9 #5889)
id <[log in to unmask]>; Thu,
02 Nov 1995 09:58:34 -0500 (EST)
Date: Thu, 02 Nov 1995 09:58:34 -0500 (EST)
From: Kevin Barry <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: JOBS -Reply -Reply
To: [log in to unmask]
Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]>
Organization: University at Buffalo
X-Vms-To: IN%"[log in to unmask]"
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT
content-length: 90
I'm pretty sure Hauppauge is in Suffolk County.
Kevin Barry
[log in to unmask]
From [log in to unmask] Thu Nov 2 11:25:05 1995
Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]>
Received: from postoffice.mail.cornell.edu by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4)
id AA22506; Thu, 2 Nov 1995 11:25:04 -0500
Received: from [128.253.121.68] ([128.253.121.68]) by postoffice.mail.cornell.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id LAA18618 for <[log in to unmask]>; Thu, 2 Nov 1995 11:26:53 -0500
Date: Thu, 2 Nov 1995 11:26:53 -0500
X-Sender: [log in to unmask]
Message-Id: <v02120004ace7e2386160@[128.253.121.68]>
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
To: [log in to unmask]
From: [log in to unmask] (Barbara J. Lauber)
Subject: Re: JOBS -Reply -Reply
content-length: 584
Yes Hauppauge is in Suffolk County about 45-50 miles from NYC. Can be
reached with the Long Island Expressway and Northern Parkway and commuter
train (Long Island RR) Contains the County Seat and various County
buildings and such. Centrally located from North and South shores of the
Island. Hauppauge borders on Smithtown.
Barbara J. Lauber
110A Olin Library
Central Technical Services
Cornell University
Ithaca, New York 14853-5301
607 255-3930
[log in to unmask]
XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
The things most people want to know are usually none of their business :
Mark Twain
From [log in to unmask] Thu Nov 2 12:23:14 1995
Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]>
Received: from mail06.mail.aol.com by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4)
id AA22734; Thu, 2 Nov 1995 12:23:13 -0500
Received: by mail06.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id MAA29479 for [log in to unmask]; Thu, 2 Nov 1995 12:26:40 -0500
Date: Thu, 2 Nov 1995 12:26:40 -0500
From: [log in to unmask]
Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]>
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: Hauppauge, Suffolk County
content-length: 397
In a message dated 95-11-02 09:32:53 EST, you write:
>Subj: JOBS -Reply -Reply
>Date: 95-11-02 09:32:53 EST
>From: [log in to unmask] (Bob Arnold)
>
>Hauppauge, Nassau County, Long Island.
>
Sorry Bob, but Hauppauge is not in Nassau county it is in Suffolk county.
It is in the town of Islip. It is south of Smithtown, north of Brentwood.
Go north on exit 56 on the Long Island Expressway.
From [log in to unmask] Thu Nov 2 14:29:37 1995
Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]>
Received: from MAIL.NYSED.GOV by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4)
id AA23255; Thu, 2 Nov 1995 14:29:36 -0500
Received: from SEDDOM1-Message_Server by MAIL.NYSED.GOV
with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 02 Nov 1995 15:38:49 -0500
Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]>
X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1
Date: Thu, 02 Nov 1995 14:34:22 -0500
From: Bob Arnold <[log in to unmask]>
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: Hauppauge, Suffolk County -Reply
content-length: 143
You know, I knew that, but in my haste somehow misplaced my atlas
and my knowledge. Fortunately, only about 25,000 people caught the
mistake.
From [log in to unmask] Thu Nov 2 15:54:05 1995
Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]>
Received: from MAIL.NYSED.GOV by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4)
id AA23626; Thu, 2 Nov 1995 15:54:04 -0500
Received: from SEDDOM1-Message_Server by MAIL.NYSED.GOV
with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 02 Nov 1995 17:03:25 -0500
Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]>
X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1
Date: Thu, 02 Nov 1995 15:58:35 -0500
From: Bob Arnold <[log in to unmask]>
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: JOBS -Reply -Reply
content-length: 201
Hauppauge, SUFFOLK County, Long Island. For all of you who were
helpful enough with my Long Island geography remediation. Sorry for the
confusion. I knew it, but Nassau, like Georgia, was on my mind.
From [log in to unmask] Wed Nov 8 11:24:28 1995
Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]>
Received: from MAIL.NYSED.GOV by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4)
id AA02821; Wed, 8 Nov 1995 11:24:28 -0500
Received: from SEDDOM1-Message_Server by MAIL.NYSED.GOV
with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 08 Nov 1995 11:26:56 -0500
Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]>
X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1
Date: Wed, 08 Nov 1995 11:27:13 -0500
From: Thomas Ruller <[log in to unmask]>
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Test message from Ruller
content-length: 101
This is a test message. Please excuse us while we make sure that
NYHIST-L is functioning properly.
From [log in to unmask] Thu Nov 9 10:44:25 1995
Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]>
Received: from emout06.mail.aol.com by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4)
id AA04778; Thu, 9 Nov 1995 10:44:24 -0500
Received: by emout06.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id KAA27010 for [log in to unmask]; Thu, 9 Nov 1995 10:47:57 -0500
Date: Thu, 9 Nov 1995 10:47:57 -0500
From: [log in to unmask]
Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]>
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: Test message from Ruller
content-length: 68
We haven't seen much mail lately...is everything working all right?
From [log in to unmask] Thu Nov 9 11:31:36 1995
Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]>
Received: from MAIL.NYSED.GOV by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4)
id AA04993; Thu, 9 Nov 1995 11:31:35 -0500
Received: from SEDDOM1-Message_Server by MAIL.NYSED.GOV
with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 09 Nov 1995 11:34:51 -0500
Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]>
X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1
Date: Thu, 09 Nov 1995 11:36:31 -0500
From: William Evans <[log in to unmask]>
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: Test message from Ruller -Reply
content-length: 307
Re: lack of activity on NYHIST=L. Jim and I have been wondering
the same thing. We have checked with tech support and they can
see no problems. The list really belongs to the subscribers; we
just try to facilitate it.
If anyone has tried to post and not succeeded call Evans or Folts
at (518)474-8955.
From [log in to unmask] Thu Nov 9 12:15:49 1995
Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]>
Received: from postoffice2.mail.cornell.edu by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4)
id AA05141; Thu, 9 Nov 1995 12:15:49 -0500
Received: from [132.236.212.142] ([132.236.212.142]) by postoffice2.mail.cornell.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id MAA18925 for <[log in to unmask]>; Thu, 9 Nov 1995 12:19:23 -0500
X-Sender: [log in to unmask]
Message-Id: <v02120002acc7da98c12d@[132.236.212.142]>
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Date: Thu, 9 Nov 1995 12:20:28 -0400
To: [log in to unmask]
From: [log in to unmask] (G. David Brumberg)
Subject: Re: Test message from Ruller
content-length: 255
>We haven't seen much mail lately...is everything working all right?
I have not received any news from the NY History List for the last few days.
G. David Brumberg
Collection Development
Olin Library
Cornell, University
Ithaca, NY 14853
607-255-8155
From [log in to unmask] Fri Nov 10 09:48:24 1995
Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]>
Received: from emout06.mail.aol.com by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4)
id AA07134; Fri, 10 Nov 1995 09:48:23 -0500
Received: by emout06.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id JAA25947 for [log in to unmask]; Fri, 10 Nov 1995 09:51:55 -0500
Date: Fri, 10 Nov 1995 09:51:55 -0500
From: [log in to unmask]
Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]>
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: World War I Service Record
content-length: 384
I received a copy of my uncles WW I service Record from the NY State
Archives
There is a code on the record that we can't seem to figure out. Maybe someone
out
there has a clue.
Hon. disch. Aug 3/17 nn SCD what is "nn"
SCD means Service Connected Disability but does anyone know what "nn" means.
Appreciate any suggestions
Don Eckerle [log in to unmask]
From [log in to unmask] Fri Nov 10 10:00:54 1995
Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]>
Received: from center.colgate.edu (colgate.edu) by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4)
id AA07156; Fri, 10 Nov 1995 10:00:54 -0500
Received: from CENTER.COLGATE.EDU by CENTER.COLGATE.EDU (PMDF V4.3-10 #6592)
id <[log in to unmask]>; Fri,
10 Nov 1995 10:03:50 -0500 (EST)
Date: Fri, 10 Nov 1995 10:03:50 -0500 (EST)
From: [log in to unmask]
Subject: an announcement...
To: [log in to unmask]
Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]>
X-Vms-To: IN%"[log in to unmask]"
X-Vms-Cc: SGREENHAGEN
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT
content-length: 1796
Greetings from beautiful *snowy* central New York --
Due to the dearth of activity on this list, I've decided to take the plunge
and announce a new Website located at Colgate University. The Civil War
Letters of Galutia York are now on the World Wide Web at the following address:
http://exlibris.colgate.edu/gyork/gyork1st.html
The site is still under construction, but I think there is enough material
available to show the tremendous potential the Internet offers for archival
access. Galutia York was the 19-year old son of a farm family from
Hubbardsville in Madison County. He enlisted in the 114th NYSV in August of
1862 and served until May of 1863 when he died in Louisiana. 48 of his letters
are housed in the Special Collections Department of Colgate University. The
materials have been inventoried, cataloged, and transcribed, and are now
accessible through the World Wide Web. Additional illustrations of local
interest are being added as well as illustrations of the sights Galutia saw and
wrote home about.
If anyone would care to take a look at the site and offer some constructive
criticism, I would be most appreciative.
******************************************************************************
* Sue Greenhagen *********************************** *
* Case Library, Colgate University * "None of us is as smart as * *
* Hamilton, N.Y. 13346 * all of us." * *
* (315) 824-7310 * Satchel Paige * *
* [log in to unmask] *********************************** *
* http://149.43.3.31/libfolks/sgreenhagen.html *
******************************************************************************
From [log in to unmask] Sat Nov 11 15:43:15 1995
Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]>
Received: from mail06.mail.aol.com by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4)
id AA09530; Sat, 11 Nov 1995 15:43:14 -0500
Received: by mail06.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id PAA17515 for [log in to unmask]; Sat, 11 Nov 1995 15:46:50 -0500
Date: Sat, 11 Nov 1995 15:46:50 -0500
From: [log in to unmask]
Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]>
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Renssaelaer County
content-length: 513
During the years of 1812 through 1816, what was Renssaelaer County Ny like?
Were
there still uprising with the native americans? What were the major
enterprises? For
example, farming or town work.
What area did it enclose? I am trying to find the reason, why my ancestors
moved so
much. It seems every 10 years or less, they moved continually from one county
to another. (Renssaelaer, Broome, Onondago, etc.) Families appears to have
moved
together. (Surnames include HAKES and WHEELER) All replies appreciated.
From [log in to unmask] Mon Nov 13 09:11:09 1995
Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]>
Received: from unix5.nysed.gov by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4)
id AA12331; Mon, 13 Nov 1995 09:11:08 -0500
Received: from museum.nysed.gov (dos90.nysed.gov) by unix5.nysed.gov (4.1/SMI-4.1)
id AA09220; Mon, 13 Nov 95 09:22:10 EST
Received: from MUSEUM/SpoolDir by museum.nysed.gov (Mercury 1.21);
13 Nov 95 09:16:30 EDT
Received: from SpoolDir by MUSEUM (Mercury 1.21); 13 Nov 95 09:16:07 EDT
From: "Patti G. Case 3097" <[log in to unmask]>
Organization: NYS Museum
To: [log in to unmask]
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 1995 09:16:05 EDT
Subject: Re: Renssaelaer County
Priority: normal
X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail v3.22
Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]>
content-length: 887
> Date sent: Sat, 11 Nov 1995 15:46:50 -0500
> Send reply to: [log in to unmask]
> From: [log in to unmask]
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Renssaelaer County
> During the years of 1812 through 1816, what was Renssaelaer County Ny like?
> Were
> there still uprising with the native americans? What were the major
> enterprises? For
> example, farming or town work.
> What area did it enclose? I am trying to find the reason, why my ancestors
> moved so
> much. It seems every 10 years or less, they moved continually from one county
> to another. (Renssaelaer, Broome, Onondago, etc.) Families appears to have
> moved
Please see attached document for a list of local historians for
Rensselaer County. They should be able to assist you in your quest.
> together. (Surnames include HAKES and WHEELER) All replies appreciated.
>
From [log in to unmask] Mon Nov 13 09:11:10 1995
Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]>
Received: from unix5.nysed.gov by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4)
id AA12336; Mon, 13 Nov 1995 09:11:10 -0500
Received: from by unix5.nysed.gov (4.1/SMI-4.1)
id AB09220; Mon, 13 Nov 95 09:22:11 EST
Received: from MUSEUM/SpoolDir by museum.nysed.gov (Mercury 1.21);
13 Nov 95 09:16:31 EDT
Received: from SpoolDir by MUSEUM (Mercury 1.21); 13 Nov 95 09:16:07 EDT
From: "Patti G. Case 3097" <[log in to unmask]>
Organization: NYS Museum
To: [log in to unmask]
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 1995 09:16:05 EDT
X-Pmuue: RENSSELA.DOC
X-Finfo: DOS,"RENSSELA.DOC",,,,WordPerfect
Subject: Re: Renssaelaer County
Priority: normal
X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail v3.22
Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]>
content-length: 9687
* This message contains the file 'RENSSELA.DOC', which has been
* uuencoded. If you are using Pegasus Mail, then you can use
* the browser's eXtract function to lift the original contents
* out to a file, otherwise you will have to extract the message
* and uudecode it manually.
begin 660 RENSSELA.DOC
M_U=00TL-```!"@`!`````/O_!0`R`$@#```&`!````!"````__]6````;```
M``<`\@```,(```#__UH```#N`@``""-\`%<````&`````````"`H2%`@4F]M
[log in to unmask]"D@*%!O<G0I("A&5RD`<@G__X\`.0!J`$,`,``L`0$`````3T5!`FH`
M"1M;$@`*````$`!0P`#Q9E$``P!8`E#^_O[^_O[^__[____^___^________
M_______________^__]$=71C:"!2;VUA;B`Q,G!T("A(4"!2;VUA;B`X*2`H
M4&]R="D@*$97*0!#;W5R:65R(#$P8W!I`$1U=&-H(%)O;6%N(#9P="`H05-#
M24DI("A0;W)T*2`H1E<I`$1U=&-H(%)O;6%N(#AP="`H05-#24DI("A0;W)T
M*2`H1E<I`$1U=&-H(%)O;6%N(#$P<'0@*$A0(%)O;6%N(#@I("A0;W)T*2`H
M1E<I`$1U=&-H($)O;&0@,3!P="`H05-#24DI("A0;W)T*2`H1E<I`$1U=&-H
M($)O;&0@,3)P="`H05-#24DI("A0;W)T*2`H1E<I`&2,9*!@H&"@8*!@H&"@
M8*1LI&Q(`$@`2#1(````6`"4:(`T@#2`-'AX@#28;)ALF&R8;*!LH&P``)A,
MF$R83&Q,;$QL3&Q,A$"$0(1`I&RD;*1LI&RD;*1LQ(B86(Q8C%B,6```H&R`
M-)ALF$QL3(1`F%B86*!LH&RD;$YX`'AT`&1D0&1D9&1D>&1(4*"@9'@`>'AX
MH'@`````````````>`````````!X`'@`````````````````>```````````
M``````````!X;:2D>'@`````>'@``'AX>'AX``!X>'AX>'AX>'AX>'@`````
M`$!T`'@```````````!X````````````````````````````````````````
M``````````````````"4``````````````````!X2%`@3&%S97)*970@4V5R
M:65S($E)`````````````````````$A01%544U=)+E!24P!!`FH`"1M;$@`*
M````$`!0P`#Q9E$``P`L`?``"`%T`3`9'U9V6`)0^_\%`#(`&P8``/__"P``
M`'H#``#__Q````"%`P````(L`@``E0,```P`6@```,$%``#0!@8``0`&``;0
MB@@C?`!B````!@```````````2(`@@#_____;0'__[T!________________
M________7C!`1)ADO*0P3$QDI#!`,#AD9&1D9&1D9&1D.#BDI*1DQ)B(C*",
M?*"D2%B4@+R8H'B@F&R$I)C$F)B,0#A`R&0P9&Q8;&1`8&PT-&@TI&QL<&Q,
M3$!L7(A86%AD9&2DZ60`9&0``&1D`````'@`````>````&0`;```F&289)AD
MF&289-"8C%B,9(QDC&2,9$@T2#1(-$@TF&R@;*!LH&R@;*1LI&RD;*1LF%B8
M9*!LH&R@;)A8>&QX<)ADF&289(Q8C%B,6(Q8H&R,9(QDC&2,9*!@H&"@8*!@
MH&"@8*1LI&Q(`$@`2#1(````6`"4:(`T@#2`-'AX@#28;)ALF&R8;*!LH&P`
M`)A,F$R83&Q,;$QL3&Q,A$"$0(1`I&RD;*1LI&RD;*1LQ(B86(Q8C%B,6```
MH&R`-)ALF$QL3(1`F%B86*!LH&RD;$YX`'AT`&1D0&1D9&1D>&1(4*"@9'@`
M>'AXH'@`````````````>`````````!X`'@`````````````````>```````
M``````````````!X;:2D>'@`````>'@``'AX>'AX``!X>'AX>'AX>'AX>'@`
M`````$!T`'@```````````!X````````````````````````````````````
M``````````````````````"4``````````````````!X2%`@3&%S97)*970@
M4V5R:65S($E)`````````````````````$A01%544U=)+E!24P!!`FH`"1M;
M$@`*````$`!0P`#Q9E$``P`L`?``"`%T`3`9'U9V``!0^_\%`#(`(0@```D`
M`@```$T&```"`H(```!/!@```P*"````T08```8"@@```%,'``"HV0`!(@#_
M______________________________________]>&"`@3#!<4!@H*#!4&"`8
M'#`P,#`P,#`P,#`<'%145#!D4$1(4$0\4%`@+$A`8$Q0/%!,.$!03&1,3$@@
M'"!D,!@P-"PT,"`P.!@<-!A0.#@T-"@H(#@L0"PL+#`P,&0``2(`________
M________________________________7B`L+&A$?&P@-#1$<"`L("1$1$1$
M1$1$1$1$)"1P<'!`A&1<8&Q<5&QL,#Q@6'QH;%!L:$A8;&2$:&1@+"0LA$0@
M0$@\2$`L0$@D)$0D;$A(2$@T-"Q(/%@X/#A$1$2$``$B`/______________
M_________________________UXP0$289)R<,$Q,9*0P0#`T9&1D9&1D9&1D
M9#@XI*2D8,2$A(R4A'B8G%!DF("\E)Q\G)!T?)!\M(R`A%0T5,AD,&1L6&Q8
M0&!P/$!L/*QP9&QH5%1$<%R`8%Q89&1DR'1C:"!2;VUA;B`Q,'!T("A(4"!2
M;VUA;B`X*2`H4&]R="D@*$97*0!$=71C:"!";VQD(#$P<'0@*$%30TE)*2`H
M4&]R="D@*$97*0#[_P4`,@`7#0``!0*"````4P@```0"Z`$``-4(```/`%H"
M``"]"@``__\Z`0``M`$````!(@#_________________________________
M______]>*#@X@%2$A"A`0%2,*#@H+%145%145%145%0L+(R,C%"D;&QT?&QD
M?(!`5'QHG'R`:(!X8&AX;)AT:&Q(+$BD5"A46$A83#108#`T6#"(8%185$A(
M.&!,;%!,2%145*0``2(`@@#_____;0'__X@!________________________
[log in to unmask](!4G(@H0$!4C"@X*"Q45%145%145%14+"R,C(Q0I(!P=(1T:(B(/$A\
M;)R`B&2(@%QLB("D@(!X."PXI%0H4%A(6%`T4%PP,%@PB%Q<7%A`0#A<3'!(
M2$A45%2,Z50`5%0``%14`````````````````%0`6```@%"`4(!0@%"`4+"`
M=$AT4'10=%!T4#PP/#`\,#PP@%R(7(A<B%R(7(A<B%R(7(A<@$B`4(18B%R(
M7(!(`%QD7(!0@%"`4'1(=$AT2'1(A%AT4'10=%!T4(A0B%"(4(A0B%"(4(A<
MB%P\`#P`/#`\````2`!\6&PP;#!L,&PP;#"`7(!<@%R`7(A<B%P``(!`@$"`
M0%Q`7$!<0%Q`;#AL.&PXB%R(7(A<B%R(7(A<I'"`2'A(>$AX2```A%AL,(!<
M@$!<0&PX@$B`2(18B%R(7!D``&[log in to unmask]\1(2$5`````!DA%Z,
MC``````````````````````````````````````````````X8```````````
M````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````
M````?'()QP"/`#D`:@!#`#``+`$!`````+.R00)J``D;6Q(`"@```!``4,``
M\691``,`6`)0_O[^_O[^_O_^____!O___O_______________________O__
M\`'__XD`/P!X`'@`>``L`0$`*@``74;T`7@`_A4V$%@'````!!%`R0"3.,$1
M.P!8`D#^_O[^_O[^_______^___^_______________________^__]J"O__
M1P`=`#,`(0`8`"P!`0`X```W*>4`,P`)&UL2``H````0`%#``/%!`0`!`"P!
M4/[^_O________________[_______________________[__^8*__]?`"8`
M10`L`"``+`$!`%P``,=E,0%%``D;6Q(`"@```!``4,``\4$!``$`D`%0_O[^
M_O[^_O___________O_______________________O__]@C__W<`,`!9`#@`
M*``L`0$`@```@TWA`5D`"1M;$@`*````$`!0P`#Q9E$``P#T`5#^_O[^_O[^
M__[___\%___^_______________________^__^B`___>``O`%4`.``H`"P!
M`0"J``!>4GT!50!^&@@2/@D````0`'#0`/%!`0`!`/0!D/[^_O[^_O[__O__
M______[_______________________[__QX$__^0`#@`9P!#`#``+`$!`,X`
M`"YHR@%G`'X:"!(^"0```!``<-``\4$!``$`6`*0_O[^_O[^_O_^________
M_O_______________________O__^_\%`#(```````@``@```$D-````````
M`````````````````````````````````````-0!#```!G@`4`````P``=30
M"_<`D#/8)P$`````````````````````````````````````````````````
M``````"0,]@G`0A3=&%N9&%R9```````````````````````````````````
M``````````"0,]@G`0``````````````````````````````````````````
M`````````````)`SV"<!`%-T86YD87)D``````````!(4$155%-722Y04E,`
M00)J``D;6Q(`"@````"HV;`$L`2P!+`$`````````````````````````0``
M````````````````````````````]P`+T-`%#`"P!+`$D`&P!`P`!=#0`0P`
ML`2P!%@"=`$,``'0T`$,`%@"=`%8`N`!#``!T-$!(```]`%X`!0>#!>,"@``
M``010,D`I\W'`3L``5U&(``!T=$!(``!Y0`S``D;6Q(`"@```!``4,``\4$!
M``$``C<I(``!T=$!(``",0%%``D;6Q(`"@```!``4,``\4$!``$``\=E(``!
MT=$!(``#X0%9``D;6Q(`"@```!``4,``\691``,`!(--(``!T=`$T````%@"
ML`0(!V`)N`L0#F@0P!(8%7`7R!D@''@>T"`H(X`EV"<P*H@LX"XX,9`SZ#5`
M.)@Z\#Q(/Z!!_____________________________P``````````````````
M``````````!8`K`$"`=@";@+$`YH$,`2&!5P%\@9(!QX'M`@*".`)=@G,"J(
M+.`N.#&0,[log in to unmask]\2#^@0?____________________________\`````
M`````````````````````+`$___0``30T`30````6`*P!`@'8`FX"Q`.:!#`
M$A@5<!?(&2`<>![0("@C@"78)S`JB"S@+C@QD#/H-4`XF#KP/$@_H$'_____
M________________________`````````````````````````````"X/0AW_
M____________________________________________________________
M_____________________________________P``````````````````````
M````_____]``!-#0!0P`D`&P!)`!X`$,``70T`4,`)`!X`&,`?``#``%T,,.
MP\,,P\0.Q,'@CA`H%#,`P5)%3E-314Q!15(@0T]53E19Q`S$@PH*"@K##L,*
M0T]53E19($A)4U1/4DE!3L0.Q#H@(%9!0T%.5`I#;VYT86-T.@I296YS<V5L
M865R($-O+B!(:7-T+B!3;V,N"C4Y(%-E8V]N9"!3=')E970*5')O>2P@3ED@
M(#$R,3@P"@H*355.24-)4$%,($A)4U1/4DE!3E,Z("!);F-L=61E<R!A;&P@
M5&]W;BP@5FEL;&%G92!A;F0@0VET>2!(:7-T;W)I86YS"@H*PP[#5$]73B!/
M1B!"15),24[!`"X/+@\L`,%43U=.($]&(%!%5$524T)54D?!`$(=0AU6`,%#
M2519($]&(%)%3E-314Q!15+$#L0*"DUI<W,@36%R9V%R970@2VEN;L$`+@\N
M#RP`P4EN9W)I9"!38VAA87!O:\$`0AU"'58`P5)A>6UO;F0@2'5L;`I0+D\N
M($)O>"`S,30L(%-O+B!-86EN(%-T+L$`+@\N#RP`P5)$(#,L($)O>"`S,#/!
M`D(=0AU6`,$Q-2!&;W)B97,@079E;G5E"D)E<FQI;BP@3ED@(#$R,#(RJ3`S
M,33!`"X/+@\L`,%0971E<G-B=7)G+"!.62`@,3(Q,SC!`D(=0AU6`,%296YS
M<V5L865R+"!.62`@,3(Q-#0*"L,.PU1/5TX@3T8@0E)53E-724-+P0`N#RX/
M+`#!5$]73B!/1B!025144U1/5T[!`$(=0AU6`,%#2519($]&(%123UG$#L0*
MP0(N#RX/+`#!16QL96X@3"X@5VEL97D*4VAA<F]N(%IA;FME;,$`+@\N#RP`
MP5!I='1S=&]W;B!4;W=N($AA;&S!`$(=0AU6`,%604-!3E0*.2!4;W=N($]F
M9FEC92!2;V%DP0`N#RX/+`#!0F]X(#4P"E1R;WDL($Y9("`Q,C$X,,$`+@\N
M#RP`P59A;&QE>2!&86QL<RP@3ED@(#$R,3@U"@K##L-43U=.($]&($4N($=2
M145.0E532,$`+@\N#RP`P51/5TX@3T8@4$]%4U1%3DM)3$S!`$(=0AU6`,%6
M24Q,04=%($]&($-!4U1,151/3JE/3JD*Q`[$P0(N#RX/+`#!37)S+B!&;&]R
M96YC92!(:6QLPP[#P0!"'4(=5@#!P0!"'4(=5@#!Q`[$("`@("`@("`@("`@
M("###L-(54133T[$#L0*37)S+B!*;W-E<&AI;F4@4V-H=V5I9V5R=,$`+@\N
M#RP`P51O=VX@2&%L;,$`0AU"'58`P45L;&5N($%L;&5N"E`N3RX@0F]X(#$R
M-\$`+@\N#RP`P5!/($)O>"`R,3#!`$(=0AU6`,%6:6QL86=E($AA;&PL(#@U
M(%-O+B!-86EN(%-T<F5E=`I%87-T($=R965N8G5S:"P@3ED@,3(P-C&I,#$R
M-\$`+@\N#RP`P5!O97-T96YK:6QL+"!.62`@,3(Q-##!`$(=0AU6`,%#87-T
M;&5T;VXL($Y9(#$R,#,S"@K##L-43U=.($]&($=204943T[!`"X/+@\L`,%4
M3U=.($]&(%-!3D0@3$%+1<$`0AU"'58`P59)3$Q!1T4@3T8@2$]/4TE#2R!&
M04Q,4\0.Q`K!`BX/+@\L`,%-<G,N($UA9&]L>6X@5BX@0V%R<&5N=&5R"DUR
M<RX@27)M82!786=A<L$`+@\N#RP`P51O=VX@2&%L;,$`0AU"'58`P4=E;W)G
M92!0965R"E!/($)O>"`Q,S/!`"X/+@\L`,%";W@@,C<SP0!"'4(=5@#!,C0@
M375N<V5L;"!3=')E970*1W)A9G1O;BP@3ED@(#$R,#@RP0`N#RX/+`#!4V%N
M9"!,86ME+"!.62`@,3(Q-3/!`$(=0AU6`,%(;V]S:6-K($9A;&QS+"!.62`@
M,3(P.3`*"L,.PU1/5TX@3T8@2$]/4TE#2\$`+@\N#RP`P51/5TX@3T8@4T-(
M04=(5$E#3TM%P0!"'4(=5@#!5DE,3$%'12!/1B!.05-3057$#L0*P0`N#RX/
M+`#!37)S+B!#:')I<W1I;F$@2V5L;'D*2F]S97!H($AO;&QO=V%YP0`N#RX/
M+`#!5&]W;B!(86QLP0!"'4(=5@#!5D%#04Y4"CDU($UA:6X@4W1R965TP0`N
M#RX/+`#!4D0@(S$L($)O>"`Q,3G!`$(=0AU6`,$*2&]O<VEC:R!&86QL<RP@
M3ED@(#$R,#DPP0`N#RX/+`#!365L<F]S92P@3ED@(#$R,3(QP0!"'4(=5@#!
M"@K##L-43U=.($]&($Y!4U-!5<$`+@\N#RP`P51/5TX@3T8@4T-(3T1!0TO!
M`$(=0AU6`,%624Q,04=%($]&(%-#2$%'2%1)0T]+1<0.Q`K!`"X/+@\L`,%-
M<G,N($ER96YE(%(N(%-A9V%N:6-H"E!A=')I8VEA($$N($1A=FESP0`N#RX/
M+`#!4V-H;V1A8VL@5&]W;B!(86QLP0!"'4(=5@#!4FEC:&%R9"!,;VAN97,*
M,CD@0VAU<F-H(%-T<F5E=,$`+@\N#RP`P3$W-S<@0V]L=6UB:6$@5'5R;G!I
M:V7!`$(=0AU6`,%-86EN(%-T<F5E=`I.87-S874L($Y9("`Q,C$R,\$`+@\N
M#RP`P4-A<W1L971O;BP@3ED@(#$R,#,SP0!"'4(=5@#!4V-H86=H=&EC;VME
M+"!.62`@,3(Q-30*"L,.PU1/5TX@3T8@3D\N($=2145.0E532,$`+@\N#RP`
MP51/5TX@3T8@4U1%4$A%3E1/5T[!`$(=0AU6`,%624Q,04=%($]&(%9!3$Q%
M62!&04Q,4\0.Q`K!`BX/+@\L`,'!`D(=0AU6`,%*=61Y($AO86<*37,N($MA
M<F5N($9I<VAE<L$`+@\N#RP`P45L:7IA8F5T:"!-8T-L879EP0!"'4(=5@#!
M5FEL;&%G92!(86QL"C(W($IO<F1A;B!2;V%DP0`N#RX/+`#!1V]O;&0@4F]A
M9,$`0AU"'58`P4)O>"`Q-3<L($-H87)L97,@4W1R965T"E1R;WDL($Y9("`Q
M,C$X,,$`+@\N#RP`P5-T97!H96YT;W=N+"!.62`@,3(Q-CC!`$(=0AU6`,%6
M86QL97D@1F%L;',L($Y9("`Q,C$X-0K!`"X/+@\L`,'!`$(=0AU6`,$*PP[#
M3$%.4TE.1T)54D=(("A5;FEN8V]R<"Y6:6QL86=E*<0.Q`I-<G,N(%=A<G)E
M;B!"<F]D97)I8VL*-CDUJ31T:"!!=F5N=64*3&%N<VEN9V)U<F=H+"!.62`Q
$,C$X,F]D
end
From [log in to unmask] Tue Nov 14 13:52:16 1995
Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]>
Received: from ix12.ix.netcom.com by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4)
id AA14935; Tue, 14 Nov 1995 13:52:15 -0500
Received: from by ix12.ix.netcom.com (8.6.12/SMI-4.1/Netcom)
id KAA18530; Tue, 14 Nov 1995 10:57:04 -0800
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 10:57:04 -0800
Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]>
From: [log in to unmask] (Richard A. Buckley )
Subject: Little Falls, NY
To: [log in to unmask]
content-length: 1145
I am researching the history of Little Falls, NY. Can anyone assist
me with the following:
1. Are there any known slave narratives for Black residents of
Little Falls, NY or immediate vicinity?
2. The AME Zion Church existed in Little Falls from 1850 to 1924.
Where can I locate any documents(other than from local newspaper
file)about this AME Zion church?
3. On Black couple - Enoch & Cornelia MOORE played an important
role in the Little Falls area. They(and their four daughters)were the
best caterers in central New York; they also provided the funds to
build the AME Zion Church in Little Falls. Enoch Moore attended the
New York State Black Conventions. Where can I obtain detailed
information about the New York State Black Conventions?
4. Zenas Brockett(1809-1870)of Brockett's Bridge(now Dolgeville)
was an abolitionist and operated a station on the Underground Railroad
from his farm. Is Zenas Brockett's life and work as an abolitionist
and involvement with the Underground Railroad recorded and available?
If so, where?
Thanks for your help. Still snowing in your area? Dick Buckley
From [log in to unmask] Tue Nov 14 21:02:54 1995
Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]>
Received: from emout06.mail.aol.com by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4)
id AA15458; Tue, 14 Nov 1995 21:02:53 -0500
Received: by emout06.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id VAA26145 for [log in to unmask]; Tue, 14 Nov 1995 21:06:26 -0500
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 21:06:26 -0500
From: [log in to unmask]
Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]>
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: New York City History
content-length: 181
I'm surprised there is not more discussion of the history of NYC here.
Has anyone seen the new book THE NEW YORK CITY ENCYCLOPEDIA? Comments? Is
it worth the $60 price tag?
From [log in to unmask] Wed Nov 15 09:10:10 1995
Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]>
Received: from postoffice2.mail.cornell.edu by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4)
id AA16360; Wed, 15 Nov 1995 09:10:09 -0500
Received: from [132.236.212.142] ([132.236.212.142]) by postoffice2.mail.cornell.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id JAA28454 for <[log in to unmask]>; Wed, 15 Nov 1995 09:13:44 -0500
X-Sender: [log in to unmask]
Message-Id: <v02120001accf97289f13@[132.236.212.142]>
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 09:14:42 -0400
To: [log in to unmask]
From: [log in to unmask] (G. David Brumberg)
Subject: Re: New York City History
content-length: 633
>I'm surprised there is not more discussion of the history of NYC here.
>
>Has anyone seen the new book THE NEW YORK CITY ENCYCLOPEDIA? Comments? Is
>it worth the $60 price tag?
In response to MaguireJIM, I have seen THE NEW YORK CITY ENCYCLOPEDIA. It
is a BIG volume full of all kinds of interesting information on New York
City. If you have only a casual interest in NYC it might not be worth $60,
but if you have a serious interest in the Big Apple it is well worth the
price.
G. David Brumberg
History Bibliographer
G. David Brumberg
Collection Development
Olin Library
Cornell, University
Ithaca, NY 14853
607-255-8155
From [log in to unmask] Wed Nov 15 10:06:32 1995
Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]>
Received: from ns.moran.com by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4)
id AA16537; Wed, 15 Nov 1995 10:06:31 -0500
Received: from [204.97.213.35] (nw35.moran.com [204.97.213.35]) by ns.moran.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA03978 for <[log in to unmask]>; Wed, 15 Nov 1995 10:04:31 -0500
Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 10:04:31 -0500
X-Sender: [log in to unmask] (Unverified)
Message-Id: <v01520d00accf60f3926e@[204.97.213.19]>
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
To: [log in to unmask]
From: [log in to unmask] (Benedict R Maryniak)
Subject: Grand Army Posts in NY
content-length: 1559
I've identified 832 Grand Army of the Republic posts as having been
organized within the Dept of New York betwen 1866 and 1948. They all had
namesakes - local or national figures somehow linked to the Civil War - but
over the years the significance of these names slipped into obscurity. The
same thing is true of Amvets or VFW: on any given evening, you can stump
the entire barroom at the local post by asking who it was named after.
Through my own searching and the good graces of several county, town, &
village historians, I have found explanations for all but about 150 of the
namesakes. My longest lists of blanks are from the counties of Broome,
Herkimer, Jefferson, Kings, Madison, Oneida, Schuyler, & Sullivan.
These namesakes offer another view of the war's local impact - local lore
about the war. They are usually local soldiers who did not survive the war
or survived it very well despite young/old age, injury, or other adversity.
There were many exceptions, however. Some namesakes were fathers who lost a
number of sons, wealthy families who bankrolled units or relief
organizations, vets of earlier wars, or ethnic spokesmen who were not
necessarily NY soldiers (Colonel Koltes of 73rd PA, Illinois Colonel
Friedrich Hecker). A NY City post was named after Patrick Sarsfield
Gilmore, bandmaster for the 24th Massachusetts Infantry who composed "When
Johnny Comes Marching Home."
I'd be happy to answer questions about what I've found and I sure could use
some help for the lingering "stumpers."
Benedict Maryniak
[log in to unmask]
From [log in to unmask] Wed Nov 15 14:24:07 1995
Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]>
Received: from emout05.mail.aol.com ([198.81.10.37]) by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4)
id AA17203; Wed, 15 Nov 1995 14:24:06 -0500
Received: by emout05.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id OAA15577 for [log in to unmask]; Wed, 15 Nov 1995 14:27:46 -0500
Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 14:27:46 -0500
From: [log in to unmask]
Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]>
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Suspension Bridge, NY
content-length: 157
Can anyone tell me where the town of Suspension Bridge, NY was/is located? If
possible, some background on the town would be appreciated. Thanks, Bob
Weston
From [log in to unmask] Thu Nov 16 09:55:03 1995
Return-Path: <@UBVM.CC.BUFFALO.EDU:[log in to unmask]>
Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4)
id AA18834; Thu, 16 Nov 1995 09:55:00 -0500
Message-Id: <9511161455.AA18834@unix10>
Received: from UBVM.CC.BUFFALO.EDU by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R3)
with BSMTP id 5311; Thu, 16 Nov 95 09:57:28 EST
Received: from UBVM (NJE origin DENSMORE@UBVM) by UBVM.CC.BUFFALO.EDU (LMail
V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 4340; Thu, 16 Nov 1995 09:54:59 -0500
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 95 09:52:35 EST
From: Christopher Densmore <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Suspension Bridge, NY
To: [log in to unmask]
In-Reply-To: Message of Wed, 15 Nov 1995 14:27:46 -0500 from
<[log in to unmask]>
content-length: 277
Suspension Bridge is now Niagara Falls.
Christopher Densmore
University Archives, State University of New York at Buffalo
420 Capen Hall, Buffalo, NY 14260-2200
Phone: (716) 645-2916 Fax: (716) 645-3844
BITNET: [log in to unmask] INTERNET: [log in to unmask]
From [log in to unmask] Thu Nov 16 13:07:53 1995
Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]>
Received: from postoffice4.mail.cornell.edu by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4)
id AA19345; Thu, 16 Nov 1995 13:07:53 -0500
Received: from [132.236.102.57] (CU-DIALUP-0043.CIT.CORNELL.EDU [132.236.102.57]) by postoffice4.mail.cornell.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id NAA28132 for <[log in to unmask]>; Thu, 16 Nov 1995 13:11:19 -0500
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 13:11:19 -0500
X-Sender: [log in to unmask]
Message-Id: <v0212000200c49cf3a119@[132.236.102.57]>
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
To: [log in to unmask]
From: [log in to unmask] (carol kammen)
Subject: Re: Suspension Bridge, NY
content-length: 541
According to the Historical Gazetteer of New York (1860) Suspension Bridge
-- I had to look i t up because I didn't recall ever hearing it -- was a
post office in Niagara county, incorporated 1854, and is now Niagara City.
Named for the Niagara Suspension Bridge which crossed the river there,
built in 1852, finished in 1855. The bridge was 821 feet long and 247 feet
above the water. It had two floors, the lower for carriages, and the upper
for a rail way. The bridge cost $500,000 to build.
There is more detail; page 455.
From [log in to unmask] Thu Nov 16 15:37:01 1995
Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]>
Received: from MAIL.NYSED.GOV by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4)
id AA19779; Thu, 16 Nov 1995 15:37:00 -0500
Received: from SEDDOM1-Message_Server by MAIL.NYSED.GOV
with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 16 Nov 1995 15:44:28 -0500
Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]>
X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 15:36:46 -0500
From: Ann Marie Przybyla <[log in to unmask]>
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Electronic Records User Survey
content-length: 775
This message is being posted to several lists; please excuse any
duplication
****************************************************************
Researchers Interested in Using Electronic Records:
The New York State Archives and Records Administration (SARA) has
acquired four significant electronic data sets generated by New
York State agencies. To enhance access to the data sets, SARA is
conducting a survey targeted at researchers who use machine-
readable data and statistical analysis for their work.
A high level of participation in this survey would be very
helpful. If you would like to participate, please contact:
Ann Marie Przybyla
Electronic Records and Networking Services Unit
New York State Archives and Records Administration
[log in to unmask]
From [log in to unmask] Thu Nov 16 20:14:15 1995
Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]>
Received: from emout06.mail.aol.com by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4)
id AA20269; Thu, 16 Nov 1995 20:14:14 -0500
Received: by emout06.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id UAA10967 for [log in to unmask]; Thu, 16 Nov 1995 20:17:57 -0500
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 20:17:57 -0500
From: [log in to unmask]
Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]>
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: World War I Service Record
content-length: 133
To Don Eckerle;
In reference to your Uncle's WWI record from NY..could the NN have stood for
no
name?
Regards,
Esther from Indiana
From [log in to unmask] Fri Nov 17 00:33:05 1995
Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]>
Received: from sparc1.glen-net.ca by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4)
id AA20654; Fri, 17 Nov 1995 00:32:43 -0500
Received: from x43glen.glen-net.ca (x43glen.glen-net.ca [205.189.134.43]) by sparc1.glen-net.ca (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id AAA16427 for <[log in to unmask]>; Fri, 17 Nov 1995 00:37:34 -0500
Date: Fri, 17 Nov 1995 00:37:34 -0500
Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]>
X-Sender: [log in to unmask]
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
To: [log in to unmask]
From: [log in to unmask] (David G Anderson)
Subject: John Roebling & Co, (Bridge & Wire)
X-Mailer: <Windows Eudora Version 1.4.2b16>
content-length: 425
I seek information on the history of the New York firm of JOHN ROEBLING &
CO, bridge and wire manfacturers.
This firm employed COLIN THOMPSON, a grandson of the great Canadian mapmaker
DAVID THOMPSON. I wish to know if the papers of the company survived or if
there are historical accounts of the firm and their projects.
David G Anderson <[log in to unmask]>
Glengarry Historical Society
Williamstown, Ontario, Canada
From [log in to unmask] Fri Nov 17 11:54:28 1995
Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]>
Received: from genesis.nylink.org (genesis.wnet.org) by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4)
id AA21821; Fri, 17 Nov 1995 11:54:27 -0500
Received: by genesis.nylink.org (5.x/SMI-SVR4)
id AA12579; Fri, 17 Nov 1995 11:57:52 -0500
From: [log in to unmask]
Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: John Roebling & Co, (Bridge & Wire)
To: [log in to unmask]
Date: Fri, 17 Nov 1995 11:57:51 -0500 (EST)
In-Reply-To: <[log in to unmask]> from "David G Anderson" at Nov 17, 95 00:37:34 am
X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21]
Content-Type: text
content-length: 96
Write to RPI in Troy, New York. Their library has all the archival
papers of the Roeblings.
From [log in to unmask] Fri Nov 17 11:55:23 1995
Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]>
Received: from genesis.nylink.org (genesis.wnet.org) by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4)
id AA21842; Fri, 17 Nov 1995 11:55:22 -0500
Received: by genesis.nylink.org (5.x/SMI-SVR4)
id AA12599; Fri, 17 Nov 1995 11:58:47 -0500
From: [log in to unmask]
Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: John Roebling & Co, (Bridge & Wire)
To: [log in to unmask]
Date: Fri, 17 Nov 1995 11:58:46 -0500 (EST)
In-Reply-To: <[log in to unmask]> from "David G Anderson" at Nov 17, 95 00:37:34 am
X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21]
Content-Type: text
content-length: 93
Wriet RPI in Troy NY They have lots of the Reobling papers in their
archives. Bonnie Davis
From [log in to unmask] Fri Nov 17 12:21:46 1995
Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]>
Received: from mail.med.cornell.edu by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4)
id AA21979; Fri, 17 Nov 1995 12:21:45 -0500
Received: from pc101619.med.cornell.edu (pc101619.med.cornell.edu [140.251.240.123]) by mail.med.cornell.edu (8.7/8.7/ech2.01) with SMTP id MAA05300 for <[log in to unmask]>; Fri, 17 Nov 1995 12:25:25 -0500 (EST)
Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]>
X-Sender: [log in to unmask]
X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Date: Fri, 17 Nov 1995 12:28:02 -0500
To: [log in to unmask]
From: [log in to unmask] (Adele A. Lerner)
Subject: Re: John Roebling & Co, (Bridge & Wire)
content-length: 1144
I assume that this is the Roebling family responsible for the glorious
Brooklyn Bridge. I know that plans and other info about that bridge are in
the NYCity Municipal Archives(affectionately known as DORIS). I suggest
contacting Ken Cobb or Leonora Gidlund at 212-788-8585 or 8629.
Also, the Hagley Museum and Archives has records of industries. Jon Williams
is the Archivist there...sorry but I can't locate his address or e-mail
info. Hagley is located in Delaware, perhaps Wilmington.
Please let me know if and when you locate Roebling materials. Good luck.
Adele
>
>I seek information on the history of the New York firm of JOHN ROEBLING &
>CO, bridge and wire manfacturers.
>This firm employed COLIN THOMPSON, a grandson of the great Canadian mapmaker
>DAVID THOMPSON. I wish to know if the papers of the company survived or if
>there are historical accounts of the firm and their projects.
>
>
>David G Anderson <[log in to unmask]>
>Glengarry Historical Society
>Williamstown, Ontario, Canada
>
>
Adele A. Lerner, Archivist
New York Hospital-Cornell Medical Center
1300 York Avenue
New York, New York 10021
212-746-6072
From [log in to unmask] Fri Nov 17 20:00:32 1995
Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]>
Received: from mail04.mail.aol.com by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4)
id AA22948; Fri, 17 Nov 1995 20:00:31 -0500
Received: by mail04.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id UAA17252 for [log in to unmask]; Fri, 17 Nov 1995 20:04:15 -0500
Date: Fri, 17 Nov 1995 20:04:15 -0500
From: [log in to unmask]
Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]>
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: John Roebling & Co, (Bridge & Wire)
content-length: 342
In a message dated 95-11-17 19:24:47 EST, you write:
>Hagley is located in Delaware, perhaps Wilmington.<<<<<
Yup. It's a fantastic museum, lots of stuff on the DuPont family, as would be
expected in Delaware. It's not physically within the city limits of
Wilmington, (I don't believe) but the mailing address would probably be
Wilmington.
From [log in to unmask] Fri Nov 17 20:52:41 1995
Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]>
Received: from emout05.mail.aol.com by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4)
id AA23008; Fri, 17 Nov 1995 20:52:40 -0500
Received: by emout05.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id UAA02146 for [log in to unmask]; Fri, 17 Nov 1995 20:56:24 -0500
Date: Fri, 17 Nov 1995 20:56:24 -0500
From: [log in to unmask]
Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]>
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: John Roebling & Co, (Brid...
content-length: 768
The firm was John A. Roebling's Sons and it was located in Trenton, NJ. They
were a wire cable manufacturer. The Brooklyn Bridge was built by the New
York Bridge Co. Roebling was the designer. I believe (if memory serves me
right) that it was actually some time into the construction that the Trenton
firm won the contract for the wire.
My first question is, was the man who's records you are seeking employed by
the bridge company or the wire works. I might refer you to the Trenton Free
Public Library for information on the wire works. David McCullough sights it
as a source of research in his book The Great Bridge. I also refer you to
the bibliography in that book and the Authors Notes in front of the book for
other sources.
Glad to be of help. JFM
From [log in to unmask] Fri Nov 17 22:35:49 1995
Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]>
Received: from dorsai.dorsai.org (amanda.dorsai.org) by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4)
id AA23133; Fri, 17 Nov 1995 22:35:48 -0500
Date: Fri, 17 Nov 1995 22:34:50 -0500
Received: from mh.dorsai.org (amanda.dorsai.org) by dorsai.dorsai.org (5.67b/23Dec93-Dorsai Embassy)
id AA23082; Fri, 17 Nov 1995 22:34:50 -0500
Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]>
X-Sender: [log in to unmask]
X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
To: [log in to unmask]
From: [log in to unmask] (Sabra Maya Feldman)
Subject: Re: New York City History & The Encyclopedia
content-length: 730
I believe that Coliseum Books at Columbus Circle in Manhattan is selling the
$60 _NYC Encyclopedia_ (or whatever its title is) for $40. The store's phone
number is (212) 757-8381; they probably do mail order.
Can anyone suggest sources of information--either published or archival--for
late- nineteenth-century NYC commercial history? I'm interested in importers
and retailers of Oriental goods (from the Islamic world, India, Japan, and
China), an emporium called A.A. Van Tine and a decorator/importer named
Lockwood de Forest in particular. A recent post alluded to a NYC Municipal
Archive; could someone kindly fill me in on what its holdings are and their
accessibility?
Thanks in advance.
--Sabra Feldman
[log in to unmask]
From [log in to unmask] Sun Nov 19 08:49:19 1995
Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]>
Received: from emout05.mail.aol.com by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4)
id AA25434; Sun, 19 Nov 1995 08:49:18 -0500
Received: by emout05.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id IAA09856 for [log in to unmask]; Sun, 19 Nov 1995 08:53:03 -0500
Date: Sun, 19 Nov 1995 08:53:03 -0500
From: [log in to unmask]
Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]>
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Hiawatha and Mohicans
content-length: 439
Ok, another good question to throw around. In James Fenimore Cooper's story
"THE
LAST OF THE MOHICANS", there was only one left from the Mohican (SP) tribe.
Was
this true or is there still a tribe of native americans called "Mohican"?
Secondly, there was a man by the name of Hiawatha of a New York Indian Tribe,
be it
Mohawks, Iroquois, or Seneca's. (Not sure on that) Was the poem of Hiawatha,
in honor
of this man?
Regards..
Esther
From [log in to unmask] Mon Nov 20 07:20:10 1995
Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]>
Received: from TSOD.LMIG.COM by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4)
id AA27151; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 07:20:08 -0500
Received: by TSOD.LMIG.COM
(Soft-Switch Central V4L380P3); 20 Nov 1995 07:19:07 GMT
Message-Id: <MSMAIL.GRAVESM.3792.1995 11 20 0719 0719>
Date: 20 Nov 1995 07:19:07 GMT
From: "Graves-Maureen" <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: political patronage or worker's compensation?
To: [log in to unmask]
Comment: MEMO
content-length: 1020
I have a general and a specific question.
My great-grandfather, Charles Tiernan, 1850-1902, was injured while
working on the capitol building in Albany. Afterwards, he was made an
orderly. Was there anything like Worker's Compensation insurance back
then? Or was he appointed orderly in recognition of loss of
employability. Or was this part of some political patronage system. I
understand that New York is known for its purity in politics; ).
Specifically, can anyone recommend any good sources on the building of
the capitol building? Or any sources that deal with those who worked on
the building?
Here is an excerpt from his obituary, published in the Daily
Press-Knickerbocker &Albany Morning Express, 2/27/1902:
"After the close of the war he learned the bricklayers trade and became
a skillful workman. A fall from a scaffold caused him to retire. The
accident occurred in the assembly chamber and after his recovery he was
a made a Capitol orderly."
Thanks,
Maureen
[log in to unmask]
From [log in to unmask] Mon Nov 20 06:54:14 1995
Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]>
Received: from TSOD.LMIG.COM by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4)
id AA27095; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 06:54:10 -0500
Received: by TSOD.LMIG.COM
(Soft-Switch Central V4L380P3); 20 Nov 1995 06:54:06 GMT
Message-Id: <MSMAIL.GRAVESM.3782.1995 11 20 0654 0654>
Date: 20 Nov 1995 06:54:06 GMT
From: "Graves-Maureen" <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: RE: Grand Army Posts in NY
To: [log in to unmask]
Comment: MEMO
content-length: 147
My great-grandfather was a member of Lew Morris Post, GAR. I am curious as to
who Lew Morris was. This GAR post was in Albany, NY.
- Maureen
From [log in to unmask] Mon Nov 20 11:25:41 1995
Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]>
Received: from IRIS.RFMH.ORG (rfmh.org) by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4)
id AA27917; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 11:25:40 -0500
Message-Id: <9511201625.AA27917@unix10>
Received: from IRIS.RFMH.ORG by IRIS.RFMH.ORG (IBM VM SMTP V2R3)
with BSMTP id 1421; Mon, 20 Nov 95 11:28:18 EST
Received: from iris.rfmh.org (NJE origin MHMARTIN@NKI) by IRIS.RFMH.ORG (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 0645; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 11:28:19 -0500
Date: Mon, 20 Nov 95 11:11:59 EST
From: Daniel Martin <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Hiawatha and Mohicans
To: [log in to unmask]
In-Reply-To: Message of Sun, 19 Nov 1995 08:53:03 -0500 from
<[log in to unmask]>
content-length: 2398
In regard to the question of the Mohicans. yes, there really was a tribe
called the Mohicans, but they are not yet extinct. Anyone please feel free
to correct me, as I am doing this from memory.
The Mohicans were the original inhabitants of the Albany, NY area who were
met by Henry Hudson and the settlers of the Upper Hudson Valley. They were
Algonquins and waged on and off wars with the Mohawks, whose territory
abutted their own. They eventually lost to the Mohawks and were reduced to
vassals, paying tribute to them. Their original center was Schodack Island
south of Albany, but eventually they left to go to Massachussets where I
believe they were then referred to as the Stockbridge Indians. I believe that
they sided with the Americans during the Revolutionary War, and that the
patriots then rewarded them by stealing from them the little they had left
and I think they then left with the Oneidas for the Green Bay area of
Wisconsin. They should not be confused with the Mahicans of Connecticutt
who were an entirely different tribe.
I have a love/hate relationship with the works of Cooper. I feel that his
works tend to create interest in my home area of Upstate NY, but he took
much poetic license in his work. Compounding his sins are the changes
that were made to his book for the movie. Some people consider for example
that his written version of the so-called massacre of the English at Fort
William Henry was faithful to at least some reports of the actual happening.
The movie version which goes so far as to suggest that Montcalm hinted that
it would be helpful for the massacre to occur is not even close to real.
Unfortunately, history seems to be something that people come to late in life
for the most part. What many people tend to know is what is in the popular
media, such as the movies and popular authors such as Cooper. I must add,
though, that the one thing Cooper did do that you can usually count on , is
actually travel the areas he wrote about, so if you like an area that he
describes, it probably exists in reality.
In regard to Hiawatha, according to a TV show with Bill Moyers, Hiawatha
was a part historical but mostly fictional character. Which seems to say
that it really doesn't matter what tribe he was from. In fact, according to
Oren Lyons, spiritual chief of the Onondagas, the Great Lawgiver of the
Iroquois was a Huron.
Daniel Martin
From [log in to unmask] Mon Nov 20 11:56:23 1995
Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]>
Received: from vms1.nysed.gov by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4)
id AA28010; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 11:56:23 -0500
Received: from unix2.nysed.gov ([149.10.64.34]) by vms1.nysed.gov with SMTP;
Mon, 20 Nov 1995 12:00:04 -0500 (EST)
Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 10:01:57 -0800 (PST)
From: Jim Corsaro <[log in to unmask]>
To: [log in to unmask]
Cc: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: Grand Army Posts in NY
X-Sender: [log in to unmask]
In-Reply-To: <v01520d00accf60f3926e@[204.97.213.19]>
Message-Id: <Pine.PCP.3.91.951120095955.4692A-100000@[149.10.64.34]>
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII
content-length: 2142
Mr. Maryniak:
You and anyone else interested in the GAR in NYS will be
interested to know that the records of the GAR NYS encampment are in the
State Library. It is a large collection, but there is a finding aid for
it. The collection is open for research.
Jim Corsaro
James Corsaro
Associate Librarian
Manuscripts and Special Collections
New York State Library
Empire State Plaza
Albany, New York 12230
e-mail: [log in to unmask]
(518) 474-5963
On Wed, 15 Nov 1995, Benedict R Maryniak wrote:
> I've identified 832 Grand Army of the Republic posts as having been
> organized within the Dept of New York betwen 1866 and 1948. They all had
> namesakes - local or national figures somehow linked to the Civil War - but
> over the years the significance of these names slipped into obscurity. The
> same thing is true of Amvets or VFW: on any given evening, you can stump
> the entire barroom at the local post by asking who it was named after.
> Through my own searching and the good graces of several county, town, &
> village historians, I have found explanations for all but about 150 of the
> namesakes. My longest lists of blanks are from the counties of Broome,
> Herkimer, Jefferson, Kings, Madison, Oneida, Schuyler, & Sullivan.
>
> These namesakes offer another view of the war's local impact - local lore
> about the war. They are usually local soldiers who did not survive the war
> or survived it very well despite young/old age, injury, or other adversity.
> There were many exceptions, however. Some namesakes were fathers who lost a
> number of sons, wealthy families who bankrolled units or relief
> organizations, vets of earlier wars, or ethnic spokesmen who were not
> necessarily NY soldiers (Colonel Koltes of 73rd PA, Illinois Colonel
> Friedrich Hecker). A NY City post was named after Patrick Sarsfield
> Gilmore, bandmaster for the 24th Massachusetts Infantry who composed "When
> Johnny Comes Marching Home."
>
> I'd be happy to answer questions about what I've found and I sure could use
> some help for the lingering "stumpers."
>
> Benedict Maryniak
> [log in to unmask]
>
>
>
>
From [log in to unmask] Mon Nov 20 12:07:20 1995
Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]>
Received: from vms1.nysed.gov by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4)
id AA28100; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 12:07:19 -0500
Received: from unix2.nysed.gov ([149.10.64.34]) by vms1.nysed.gov with SMTP;
Mon, 20 Nov 1995 12:11:03 -0500 (EST)
Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 10:12:54 -0800 (PST)
From: Jim Corsaro <[log in to unmask]>
To: [log in to unmask]
Cc: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: John Roebling & Co, (Bridge & Wire)
X-Sender: [log in to unmask]
In-Reply-To: <[log in to unmask]>
Message-Id: <Pine.PCP.3.91.951120101042.4692E-100000@[149.10.64.34]>
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII
content-length: 1060
The Roebling family papers are at Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute,
Folsom Library, Troy, NY. It is a large collection and probably includes
papers from the Roebling Company. Wash Roebling, who built the Brooklyn
Bridge, after his father John, who designed it, but died after injuring his
foot during the early construction of the bridge, was a graduate of RPI.
James Corsaro
Associate Librarian
Manuscripts and Special Collections
New York State Library
Empire State Plaza
Albany, New York 12230
e-mail: [log in to unmask]
(518) 474-5963
On Fri, 17 Nov 1995, David G Anderson wrote:
>
> I seek information on the history of the New York firm of JOHN ROEBLING &
> CO, bridge and wire manfacturers.
> This firm employed COLIN THOMPSON, a grandson of the great Canadian mapmaker
> DAVID THOMPSON. I wish to know if the papers of the company survived or if
> there are historical accounts of the firm and their projects.
>
>
> David G Anderson <[log in to unmask]>
> Glengarry Historical Society
> Williamstown, Ontario, Canada
>
>
From [log in to unmask] Mon Nov 20 14:47:14 1995
Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]>
Received: from ix7.ix.netcom.com by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4)
id AA28766; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 14:47:13 -0500
Received: from by ix7.ix.netcom.com (8.6.12/SMI-4.1/Netcom)
id LAA27236; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 11:50:49 -0800
Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 11:50:49 -0800
Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]>
From: [log in to unmask] (Richard A. Buckley )
Subject: Re: Hiawatha and Mohicans
To: [log in to unmask]
content-length: 1192
There are both Mahican and Mohegan people still surviving as part of
a Tribal Identity. The Mohegan are in Connecticut allied with the
Pequot Tribes. The Mahican are in Wisconsin as part of the
Stockbridge-Munsee Reservation.
I believe it was the Mahican people who were the subject of Cooper's
book. The Mahican were an Algonguian tribe. The Oneida Indian Nation
provided them some land in central New York(see Oneida county, township
of New Stockbridge). Subsequently, most moved to Wisconsin after many
Oneida Indians also moved to Wisconsin.
The Mohegan people seemed to have been historically connected to the
Pequot tribes. Presently, because of its large Casino earnings, the
Pequot-Mohegan tribe in Connecticut possess considerable wealth. They
recently donated 10 million dollars towards the campaign to construct
the National Museum of the American Indian on the Mall in D.C.
Hiawatha is an important "founder" of the Iroquois Confederacy. See
the Handbook of North American Indians, Volume 15, Northeast,
Smithsonian Institution, 1978, pages 422, 424, 426 for explanation of
how the founder Hiawatha was misindentified in Longfellow's poem.
From [log in to unmask] Mon Nov 20 14:57:21 1995
Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]>
Received: from emout04.mail.aol.com by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4)
id AA28881; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 14:57:21 -0500
Received: by emout04.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id PAA24637 for [log in to unmask]; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 15:01:00 -0500
Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 15:01:00 -0500
From: [log in to unmask]
Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]>
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: RE: Grand Army Posts in NY
content-length: 300
Lewis Morris is a major historical personage from New Jersey. There is
Morris County, Morristown, Morris Township, Morris Plains, and Lewis Morris
Park. I believe he signed the Declaration of Independence. Unfortunately I
have no idea what his tie in to NYS history or Albany would have been.
From [log in to unmask] Mon Nov 20 15:18:05 1995
Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]>
Received: from mail04.mail.aol.com ([152.163.172.53]) by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4)
id AA29089; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 15:18:03 -0500
Received: by mail04.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id PAA25018 for [log in to unmask]; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 15:21:13 -0500
Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 15:21:13 -0500
From: [log in to unmask]
Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]>
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: political patronage or wo...
content-length: 514
Workers Comp is a product of the early part of this century. Prior to that
an employee had to sue his employer for compensation for his injuries. And
it was very hard for the employee to win because the employer had many strong
legal defenses available to him.
I would be inclind to find out when Civil Service started in NYS. Was this a
patronage job or a civil service job? Did he have to take a test to get the
job? If not I believe all other jobs and jobs awarded before Civil Servive
were patronage.
From [log in to unmask] Mon Nov 20 18:55:20 1995
Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]>
Received: from limestone.kosone.com by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4)
id AA29761; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 18:55:18 -0500
Received: from ki-ppp15.kosone.com by limestone.kosone.com (4.1/SMI-4.1)
id AA12391; Mon, 20 Nov 95 18:51:43 EST
Date: Mon, 20 Nov 95 18:51:42 EST
Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]>
X-Sender: [log in to unmask] (Unverified)
X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
To: [log in to unmask]
From: [log in to unmask] (terry deline)
Subject: Re: Hiawatha and Mohicans
content-length: 2591
>Ok, another good question to throw around. In James Fenimore Cooper's story
>"THE
>LAST OF THE MOHICANS", there was only one left from the Mohican (SP) tribe.
>Secondly, there was a man by the name of Hiawatha of a New York Indian Tribe,
>be it
>Mohawks, Iroquois, or Seneca's. (Not sure on that) Was the poem of Hiawatha,
>in honor
>of this man?
>Regards..
>Esther
>
the answers re: the Mohegans are pretty terse, but generally right.
Rregarding Hiawatha - Longfellow did no one any favours other than bring the
notice of this name to the european community through his poem. The poem is
a mish mash of misinformation if you will.
"Hiawatha, Hayenwatha, Ayonhwahtha, Taoungwatha - 'he who seeks the weampum
belt' was a chief of the Onondaga's - perhaps adopted as many Iroquois were.
He entered into a prolonged adviserial relationship with a chief of his
tribe called variously Atotarho, Thatotarho, Watatotahro or Tadadaho
depending on your dialect! The name Atotarho signifies "entangled".
The conflict between these two men resulted in a system of government of the
five nations which was to be a permanent government. While each nation
governed itself regarding local affairs - the general control was lodged in
a 'federal'
senate. Five nations who stopped warring among themselves and created a
great covenant chain which lasted some 400 years until it was broken by the
politics of the American ???? we call it a revolution while many of you will
call it a war of independence. (I have roots both in the Sons of the
Revolution and in the United Empire Loyalists!!).
The story of Hiawatha is to long to tell here, but it rivals the great
European stories -such as the story of Alfred the Great, and etc.
The upshot of this is the fact "The Great Binding Law, Gayanashagowa" was
put in place which is the same as the Constitution of the United States of
America - in fact, it seems that much of the US Constitution was modeled on
the Iroquois consitituion. Hiawatha is considered the moving force behind
this and if you want a good run down on the story I would point you to :
The Iroquois Book of Rites and Hale On The Iroquois by Horatio Hale
reprinted by Iroqrafts Ltd.
R.R. 2
Ohsweken
Ontario, Canada
(reprinted November, 1989)
series editor Wm. Guy Spittal
An understanding of the history of the Iroquois is pivitol in my opinion if
we are really to know the truth and character of the founding of both the
United States of America and english speaking Canada.
I hope this helps.
Terry Deline
From [log in to unmask] Mon Nov 20 19:04:54 1995
Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]>
Received: from center.colgate.edu (colgate.edu) by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4)
id AA29819; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 19:04:53 -0500
Received: from CENTER.COLGATE.EDU by CENTER.COLGATE.EDU (PMDF V4.3-10 #6592)
id <[log in to unmask]>; Mon,
20 Nov 1995 19:09:51 -0500 (EST)
Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 19:09:51 -0500 (EST)
From: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: Grand Army Posts in NY
To: [log in to unmask]
Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]>
X-Vms-To: IN%"[log in to unmask]"
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT
content-length: 982
Just to add my $.02 to the discussion of the Lewis Morris Post -
MORRIS, Lewis O. Colonel, 7th Regt. of NY Artillery (Heavy). Known as the
"Albany County Regt.," or the "Seymour Guard." Morris was killed in action
by a sharpshooter, June 4, 1864, at Cold Harbor, Va. Source: Pfisterer's
_NY in the War of the Rebellion_, vol. 2, p. 1389.
******************************************************************************
* Sue Greenhagen *********************************** *
* Case Library, Colgate University * "None of us is as smart as * *
* Hamilton, N.Y. 13346 * all of us." * *
* (315) 824-7310 * Satchel Paige * *
* [log in to unmask] *********************************** *
* http://149.43.3.31/libfolks/sgreenhagen.html *
******************************************************************************
From [log in to unmask] Mon Nov 20 22:16:21 1995
Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]>
Received: from mail04.mail.aol.com by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4)
id AA00058; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 22:16:20 -0500
Received: by mail04.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id VAA27622 for [log in to unmask]; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 21:27:49 -0500
Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 21:27:49 -0500
From: [log in to unmask]
Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]>
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: New York City History & The Ency
content-length: 414
Thank you for that great tip on The New York City Encyclopedia. I will be in
touch with the folks at Coliseum Books.
As to your question concerning late-ninetenth century commercial history.
The firm of W. W. De Forest & Son is mentioned in Robert Greenhalgh Albion's
book The Rise of New York Port. The extensive bibliography in this book may
proide you with other sources.
I hope this is of help to you.
From [log in to unmask] Mon Nov 20 23:27:27 1995
Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]>
Received: from pimaia2y.prodigy.com by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4)
id AA00228; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 23:27:26 -0500
Received: from mail.prodigy.com ([199.4.137.13]) by pimaia2y.prodigy.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) with SMTP id XAA27874 for <[log in to unmask]>; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 23:08:32 -0500
Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 23:08:08 EST
From: [log in to unmask] (MS BETH L TEGART)
X-Mailer: PRODIGY Services Company Internet mailer [PIM 3.2-319.50]
Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]>
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Civil War Regiments
content-length: 386
I am trying to annotate a collection of letters from a veteran of the
26th NY Vol Infantry. Does anyone have any information, documents or
other letters concerning the 26th? Later he reenlisted in the 14th
NY Heavy Artillery and I am trying to research that unit as well. I
am also interested in the 57th, 146th, 97th and other Oneida County/
central NY units.
Robert Tegart
From [log in to unmask] Tue Nov 21 08:35:57 1995
Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]>
Received: from UTKVX1.UTK.EDU by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4)
id AA00810; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 08:35:56 -0500
Received: from utkvx.utk.edu by utkvx.utk.edu (PMDF V5.0-4 #9964)
id <[log in to unmask]> for [log in to unmask]; Tue,
21 Nov 1995 08:39:40 -0500 (EST)
Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 08:39:40 -0500 (EST)
From: "Milton Klein, University Historian" <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Grand Army Posts in NY
To: [log in to unmask]
Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]>
X-Vms-To: IN%"[log in to unmask]"
X-Vms-Cc: MKLEIN
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT
content-length: 1347
On the first Lewis Morris in New York, consult Eugene Sheridan,
LEWIS MORRIS, 1671-1746 (Syracuse University Press, 1981)
From: IN%"[log in to unmask]" 20-NOV-1995 09:33:31.79
To: IN%"[log in to unmask]"
CC:
Subj: RE: Grand Army Posts in NY
Return-path: <[log in to unmask]>
Received: from unix10 ("port 61698"@unix10.nysed.gov)
by utkvx.utk.edu (PMDF V5.0-4 #9964) id <[log in to unmask]> for
[log in to unmask]; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 09:33:03 -0500 (EST)
Received: from host (localhost) by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA27781; Mon,
20 Nov 1995 09:25:48 -0500
Received: from TSOD.LMIG.COM by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA27095; Mon,
20 Nov 1995 06:54:10 -0500
Received: by TSOD.LMIG.COM (Soft-Switch Central V4L380P3); Mon,
20 Nov 1995 06:54:06 +0000 (GMT)
Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 06:54:06 +0000 (GMT)
From: Graves-Maureen <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: RE: Grand Army Posts in NY
Sender: [log in to unmask]
To: [log in to unmask]
Reply-to: [log in to unmask]
Message-id: <MSMAIL.GRAVESM.3782.1995 11 20 0654 0654>
Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT
Precedence: bulk
X-Listprocessor-version: 7.2 -- ListProcessor by CREN
My great-grandfather was a member of Lew Morris Post, GAR. I am curious as to
who Lew Morris was. This GAR post was in Albany, NY.
- Maureen
From [log in to unmask] Tue Nov 21 10:33:54 1995
Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]>
Received: from mail06.mail.aol.com by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4)
id AA01700; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 10:33:52 -0500
Received: by mail06.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id KAA24559 for [log in to unmask]; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 10:37:40 -0500
Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 10:37:40 -0500
From: [log in to unmask]
Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]>
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: government programs
content-length: 623
I am confused about the goals of Congressman Sherwood Boehlert's
"Northern Frontier Project" and the "Mohawk Valley Heritage Corridor" under
Bernadette Castro of the NYS Office of Parks, Recreation and Historic
Preservation. Aren't they very similar in nature and couldn't these efforts
be combined to utilize the available resources of people and funding to the
best advantage for Central New York?
Jane Dieffenbacher
Town of Fairfield Historian
P.O. Box 1
Middleville, NY 13406
From [log in to unmask] Tue Nov 21 14:54:09 1995
Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]>
Received: from gpwsmtp.arch2.nara.gov by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4)
id AA02551; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 14:54:07 -0500
Received: from NARA-Message_Server by gpwsmtp.arch2.nara.gov
with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 14:59:14 -0500
Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]>
X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1
Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 14:58:46 -0500
From: Claire Kluskens <[log in to unmask]>
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: D Eckerle: World War I Service Record -Reply
content-length: 762
I checked with one of the military archivists here, and we don't know
what "nn" means either. You might check with the NY State Archives. If
you will send me your snail mail address, I can send you some
informational material that the military archivist has concerning records in
the NY State Archives regarding these records.
>>> <[log in to unmask]> 11/10/95 09:51am >>>
I received a copy of my uncles WW I service Record from the NY State
Archives
There is a code on the record that we can't seem to figure out. Maybe
someone out there has a clue.
Hon. disch. Aug 3/17 nn SCD what is "nn"
SCD means Service Connected Disability but does anyone know what
"nn" means.
Appreciate any suggestions
Don Eckerle [log in to unmask]
From [log in to unmask] Tue Nov 21 19:24:43 1995
Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]>
Received: from ns.moran.com by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4)
id AA03063; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 19:24:42 -0500
Received: from [204.97.213.171] ([204.97.213.171]) by ns.moran.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id TAA29752 for <[log in to unmask]>; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 19:25:18 -0500
Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 19:25:18 -0500
X-Sender: [log in to unmask] (Unverified)
Message-Id: <v01520d00acd7d6960ea3@[204.97.213.28]>
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
To: [log in to unmask]
From: [log in to unmask] (Benedict R Maryniak)
Subject: Enough about Lewis Morris!
content-length: 485
My original request about GAR posts in NY brought a request about the Lewis
Morris Post in Albany County and I see now that I should have answered over
this forum format rather than get back to the individual directly, as I
did. It is really Lewis O Morris and Ms Greenhagen was correct, he was
Colonel of Albany County's 7th NY Heavy Artillery, popped by a sharpshooter
June 4 1864 at Cold Harbor. There is absolutely no relevance with other men
named "Lewis Morris."
Ben Maryniak
From [log in to unmask] Tue Nov 21 22:14:27 1995
Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]>
Received: from mail04.mail.aol.com by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4)
id AA03309; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 22:14:26 -0500
Received: by mail04.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id WAA11403 for [log in to unmask]; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 22:18:15 -0500
Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 22:18:15 -0500
From: [log in to unmask]
Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]>
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: Hiawatha and Mohicans
content-length: 596
I thought it was the Mahicans who were in the upper Hudson Valley and were
sometimes called River Indians. The name was almost invariably spelled with
an "A" in the earliest records and through the 18th century, though very
rarely misspelled with an "O" as in "Mohicans" probably because of confusion
with the New England Mohegans. The name for the Mahicans was also Maykans as
well as Mahikanders, with other variations, if I recall correctly. I doubt
there was ever actually a nation of "Mohicans," a name for which we have
Cooper and one or two careless 18th-century spellers to thank.
From [log in to unmask] Thu Nov 16 14:26:03 1995
Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]>
Received: from sunytccc.edu by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4)
id AA19472; Thu, 16 Nov 1995 14:26:02 -0500
Received: from TC3-MIS-Message_Server by sunytccc.edu
with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 16 Nov 1995 14:30:30 -0500
Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]>
X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 14:30:12 -0500
From: David Harris <[log in to unmask]>
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Grand Army Posts in NY -Reply
content-length: 1851
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
I've identified 832 Grand Army of the Republic posts as having been
organized within the Dept of New York betwen 1866 and 1948. They all
had namesakes - local or national figures somehow linked to the Civil
War - but over the years the significance of these names slipped into
obscurity. The same thing is true of Amvets or VFW: on any given
evening, you can stump the entire barroom at the local post by asking
who it was named after.
Through my own searching and the good graces of several county, town,
& village historians, I have found explanations for all but about 150
of the namesakes. My longest lists of blanks are from the counties of
Broome,
Herkimer, Jefferson, Kings, Madison, Oneida, Schuyler, & Sullivan.
These namesakes offer another view of the war's local impact - local
lore about the war. They are usually local soldiers who did not
survive the war or survived it very well despite young/old age,
injury, or other adversity.
There were many exceptions, however. Some namesakes were fathers who
lost a number of sons, wealthy families who bankrolled units or
relief organizations, vets of earlier wars, or ethnic spokesmen who
were not necessarily NY soldiers (Colonel Koltes of 73rd PA, Illinois
Colonel
Friedrich Hecker). A NY City post was named after Patrick Sarsfield
Gilmore, bandmaster for the 24th Massachusetts Infantry who composed
"When
Johnny Comes Marching Home."
I'd be happy to answer questions about what I've found and I sure
could use some help for the lingering "stumpers."
Benedict Maryniak [log in to unmask]
<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
What do you mean by "composed"? The tune (and some of the words)
comes directly from "Johnny, I hardly knew you," a traditional Irish
folk lyric that predates the American Civil War.
David D. Harris ([log in to unmask])
Tompkins Cortland Comm. College
From [log in to unmask] Fri Nov 24 09:29:44 1995
Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]>
Received: from gpwsmtp.arch2.nara.gov by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4)
id AA07384; Fri, 24 Nov 1995 09:29:42 -0500
Received: from NARA-Message_Server by gpwsmtp.arch2.nara.gov
with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 24 Nov 1995 09:34:31 -0500
Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]>
X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1
Date: Fri, 24 Nov 1995 09:33:41 -0500
From: Claire Kluskens <[log in to unmask]>
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Civil War Regiments -Reply
content-length: 922
Persons doing research on Union Civil War units can obtain a
month-by-month, sometimes day-by-day history of a regiment and of
individual companies from National Archives Microfilm Publication M594,
"Compiled Records Showing Service of Military Units in Volunteer Union
Organizations." These records are arranged by state, thereunder by
regiment, thereunder by company. National Archives Microfilm
Publications can be purchased for $23 per roll. For more information
about these records and other military records, and to determine which
rolls the records you are interested are on, consult "Military Service
Records: A Select Catalog of National Archives Microfilm Publications."
(Available for $5.00). The National Archives Publication Sales office can
be reached at 1-800-234-8861.
There is a similar microfilm publication for Confederate units, and it is also
described in the microfilm catalog listed above.
From [log in to unmask] Fri Nov 24 11:31:38 1995
Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]>
Received: from emout04.mail.aol.com by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4)
id AA07702; Fri, 24 Nov 1995 11:31:37 -0500
Received: by emout04.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id LAA09503 for [log in to unmask]; Fri, 24 Nov 1995 11:35:29 -0500
Date: Fri, 24 Nov 1995 11:35:29 -0500
From: [log in to unmask]
Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]>
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: New York City History & The Encyclopedia
content-length: 395
In a message dated 95-11-20 08:55:06 EST, you write:
>Lockwood de Forest in particular. A recent post alluded to a NYC Municipal
There is a book, published circa 1908 as I recall, call "A Walloon Family In
America: Lockwood DeForest and His Forbears". I am descended from one
branch of the family, although not a descendeant of Lockwood. The family has
been traced to 15th century Belgium.
From [log in to unmask] Sat Nov 25 10:57:49 1995
Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]>
Received: from mail04.mail.aol.com by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4)
id AA09397; Sat, 25 Nov 1995 10:57:49 -0500
Received: by mail04.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id LAA24918 for [log in to unmask]; Sat, 25 Nov 1995 11:01:42 -0500
Date: Sat, 25 Nov 1995 11:01:42 -0500
From: [log in to unmask]
Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]>
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Mahicans=Mohicans/Cooper
content-length: 1063
In her recent book, The Mohicans and Their Land, 1609-1730, Shirley W. dunn
points out that Mohican, Mahikan, Mahiecan, Maykan, Muhheakunn, Moheakun and
Mohegan are variant spellings of the same group, and the official name of
their descendants, who live on a reservation near Bowler, Wisconsin, is The
Stockbridge-Munsee Band of the Mohican Indians. (pg. 8) The Dutch in the 17th
century usually called them Mahicans or Mahikanders.
The River Indians were quite likely not Mohicans. According to historian
Daniel K. Richter, the River Indians "seem to be geographically and probably
politically distinct..." (See Richter, Ordeal of the Long House, 292n.)
While historian Alan Taylor does not discuss Cooper's confusing the Mohegans
of Connecticut with the Mohicans of New York, he does discuss the writer's
work within the context of his recent book, William Cooper's Town. In it
Taylor uses a unique blend of social history, biography (of the founder of
Cooperstown), and literary analysis (of the son's work) to illuminate the
emerging New York frontier.
From [log in to unmask] Sat Nov 25 16:41:55 1995
Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]>
Received: from mail02.mail.aol.com by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4)
id AA09869; Sat, 25 Nov 1995 16:41:55 -0500
Received: by mail02.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id QAA01189 for [log in to unmask]; Sat, 25 Nov 1995 16:45:47 -0500
Date: Sat, 25 Nov 1995 16:45:47 -0500
From: [log in to unmask]
Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]>
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: D Eckerle: World War I Se...
content-length: 126
I don't know what "nn" means, but you might try the Family History Center in
Salt Lake City, Utah.
With regards, Betty Joy
From [log in to unmask] Sun Nov 26 22:23:32 1995
Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]>
Received: from eideti.com (ayrton.eideti.com) by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4)
id AA11882; Sun, 26 Nov 1995 22:23:30 -0500
Received: from annex1-9.infi-net.com (annex1-9.infi-net.com [199.171.97.159]) by eideti.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id WAA28594 for <[log in to unmask]>; Sun, 26 Nov 1995 22:24:11 -0500
Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]>
X-Sender: [log in to unmask]
X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.3
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Date: Sun, 26 Nov 1995 22:30:40 -0500
To: [log in to unmask]
From: [log in to unmask] (Susan Walski)
Subject: directions
content-length: 287
hello list,
Is there someone here who can give me directions on how to get to the NY
State library in Albany. I will be driving up from Orange county.
Thank you.
Susan>
[log in to unmask]
http://campus.net/home/swalski/
Genealogy: The only hobby where dead people can excite you!
From [log in to unmask] Mon Nov 27 01:48:10 1995
Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]>
Received: from mail02.mail.aol.com by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4)
id AA12152; Mon, 27 Nov 1995 01:48:09 -0500
Received: by mail02.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id BAA24657 for [log in to unmask]; Mon, 27 Nov 1995 01:52:02 -0500
Date: Mon, 27 Nov 1995 01:52:02 -0500
From: [log in to unmask]
Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]>
To: [log in to unmask]
Cc: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: New York City History
content-length: 95
How in depth is this book? How far back does it go? Are families listed by
individual names?
From [log in to unmask] Tue Nov 28 09:16:30 1995
Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]>
Received: from MAIL.NYSED.GOV by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4)
id AA15299; Tue, 28 Nov 1995 09:16:29 -0500
Received: from SEDDOM1-Message_Server by MAIL.NYSED.GOV
with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 28 Nov 1995 09:20:03 -0500
Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]>
X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1
Date: Tue, 28 Nov 1995 09:22:00 -0500
From: Bill Evans <[log in to unmask]>
To: [log in to unmask]
Cc: [log in to unmask]
Subject: reminders, unsub,etc.
content-length: 374
Remember, to unsubscribe you have to command the list processor
so the address is [log in to unmask]
If you address it to the list what you want to happen won't
happen.
Also the list is NYHIST-L, not NYHIST-1. In other words that is
an el, not a one. (If we had it to do over we would not have
used the letter el, but it is too difficult to undo now.)
Bill Evans
From [log in to unmask] Mon Nov 27 20:11:24 1995
Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]>
Received: from emout06.mail.aol.com by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4)
id AA14343; Mon, 27 Nov 1995 20:11:23 -0500
Received: by emout06.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id UAA07634 for [log in to unmask]; Mon, 27 Nov 1995 20:15:11 -0500
Date: Mon, 27 Nov 1995 20:15:11 -0500
From: [log in to unmask]
Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]>
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: seeing new york
content-length: 626
In Hope Cook's book Seeing New York she raises two questions. On page 128 in
the chapter on the East Village she says "Cattle dealers held illegal
cut-price auctions at an open market near today's Cooper's Square. The
period given is the 1810's. Can anyone tell me why these auctions were
illegal? And why the reference to "cut-price"? Does this imply some sort of
fixed priced was set? This is certainly not what I would expect from
everything else I know about
our free economy.
Further down the same page she refers to "earthy men who hosted bull baiting
and trotting races". What was/is "bull baiting"?
From [log in to unmask] Mon Nov 27 23:51:26 1995
Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]>
Received: from emout04.mail.aol.com by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4)
id AA14774; Mon, 27 Nov 1995 23:51:26 -0500
Received: by emout04.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id XAA01418 for [log in to unmask]; Mon, 27 Nov 1995 23:55:17 -0500
Date: Mon, 27 Nov 1995 23:55:17 -0500
From: [log in to unmask]
Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]>
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: directions
content-length: 310
HI!
Take NYS thruway to exit 24, I believe, to I-787 north to the Madison Avenue
Exit. Go Straight up Madison Avenue, approximately 4 blocks. The Museum
will be on your left. You can't miss it. It is part of the Empire State
Plaza and has a few colorful flags hanging from it.
Good Luck,
Helen J. Cannon
From [log in to unmask] Tue Nov 28 09:32:29 1995
Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]>
Received: from mail04.mail.aol.com by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4)
id AA15518; Tue, 28 Nov 1995 09:32:27 -0500
Received: by mail04.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id JAA16451 for [log in to unmask]; Tue, 28 Nov 1995 09:36:24 -0500
Date: Tue, 28 Nov 1995 09:36:24 -0500
From: [log in to unmask]
Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]>
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Montauk Indians
content-length: 559
Can any of you refer me to resources concerning the history and people of the
Montauk tribe? I recall that there is still some sort of small Indian
reservation on the south fork of Long Island. Are those people Montauk? I
seem to remember the work Shinnecock, or something like that, being
associated with the reservation, but I know it isn't far from Montauk Point.
I have recently found out that I'm a descendant of a Montauk Indian named
Nigular Chadburn, and I'd like to learn more about these people (and open a
gambling casino in the Hamptons :-)
From [log in to unmask] Tue Nov 28 09:44:33 1995
Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]>
Received: from vms1.nysed.gov by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4)
id AA15686; Tue, 28 Nov 1995 09:44:32 -0500
Received: from unix2.nysed.gov ([149.10.64.24]) by vms1.nysed.gov with SMTP;
Tue, 28 Nov 1995 9:48:27 -0500 (EST)
Received: from dos185.nysed.gov by unix2.nysed.gov (4.1/SMI-4.1)
id AA18709; Tue, 28 Nov 95 09:48:24 EST
Date: Tue, 28 Nov 1995 09:48:54 -0800 (PST)
From: Andrew Mace <[log in to unmask]>
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: directions
X-Sender: [log in to unmask]
In-Reply-To: <[log in to unmask]>
Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]>
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII
content-length: 965
> Take NYS thruway to exit 24, I believe, to I-787 north to the Madison Avenue
^^
Should be exit 23. (Note: Madison Avenue exit is also US 20 [West].)
> Exit. Go Straight up Madison Avenue, approximately 4 blocks. The Museum
> will be on your left. You can't miss it. It is part of the Empire State
> Plaza and has a few colorful flags hanging from it.
>
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
* Andrew Mace e-mail: [log in to unmask] *
* New York State Library phone: (518) 474-8541 (voice) *
* 10D36 CEC, Albany, NY 12230 (518) 486-2152 (fax) *
* *
* "I was wonderin' why we live so much longer'n our imaginations!" *
* -- Broom Hilda *
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
From [log in to unmask] Tue Nov 28 10:45:10 1995
Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]>
Received: from SIVM.SI.EDU by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4)
id AA15983; Tue, 28 Nov 1995 10:45:10 -0500
Message-Id: <9511281545.AA15983@unix10>
Received: from SIVM.SI.EDU by SIVM.SI.EDU (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 0751;
Tue, 28 Nov 95 10:46:43 EST
Received: from SIVM (NJE origin LIBEM077@SIVM) by SIVM.SI.EDU (LMail
V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 6868; Tue, 28 Nov 1995 10:46:40 -0500
Comments: Converted from OV/VM to RFC822 format by PUMP V2.2X
Date: Tue, 28 Nov 95 10:46:35 EST
From: "Hollis L. Gentry" <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Montauk Indians
To: <[log in to unmask]>
content-length: 1728
*** Resending note of 11/28/95 09:45
The Montauks and Shinnecocks are two different tribes. The Montauks were
said to be the tutelatory tribe of the Long Island Indians in the 18th-
19th centuries. The Shinnecocks still have a reservation, the Montauks
don't. The two tribes intermarried to some extent, as with other Long
Island tribes. Several members of that tribe left NY in @1837 and joined
with tribes from Connecticut, Rhode Island and NY, to form what are now known
as the Brotherton Indians, of Wisconsin. I would suggest that you check a
publication of the Suffolk County Archaeological Association (P.O. Drawer AR,
Stony Brook, NY 11790) for a copy of: The History and Archaeology of the
Montauk Indians. Additionally, if you're ever in Washington, the Smithsonian's
Anthropology Archives has some source material. And I believe the
Smithsonian's Heye Center in NYC has some artifacts which were collected
in or about the 1940's.
The Montauks don's have BIA recognized status, and so your dreams about the
casino will have to be tabled until you can get the Pequots to help you!;)
===============================================================================
Can any of you refer me to resources concerning the history and people
of the Montauk tribe? I recall that there is still some sort of small
Indian reservation on the south fork of Long Island. Are those people
Montauk? I seem to remember the work Shinnecock, or something like that,
being associated with the reservation, but I know it isn't far from
Montauk Point. I have recently found out that I'm a descendant of a
Montauk Indian named Nigular Chadburn, and I'd like to learn more about
these people (and open a gambling casino in the Hamptons :-)
From [log in to unmask] Tue Nov 28 11:40:03 1995
Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]>
Received: from postoffice.mail.cornell.edu by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4)
id AA16177; Tue, 28 Nov 1995 11:40:02 -0500
Received: from [128.253.121.68] ([128.253.121.68]) by postoffice.mail.cornell.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id LAA03795 for <[log in to unmask]>; Tue, 28 Nov 1995 11:43:56 -0500
Date: Tue, 28 Nov 1995 11:43:56 -0500
X-Sender: [log in to unmask]
Message-Id: <v02120003ad0a2b550b62@[128.253.121.68]>
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
To: [log in to unmask]
From: [log in to unmask] (Barbara J. Lauber)
Subject: Re: Montauk Indians
content-length: 535
Would the Shinnecocks be able to open a casino in the Hamptons? What an
intriguing idea? Does anyone know some of the legal ramifications
involving a Hampton casino? I am just curious. I would gain nothing
(probably lose my shirt) by the opening of a casino. Thanks in advance.
Barbara J. Lauber
110A Olin Library
Central Technical Services
Cornell University
Ithaca, New York 14853-5301
607 255-3930
[log in to unmask]
XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
The things most people want to know are usually none of their business :
Mark Twain
From [log in to unmask] Tue Nov 28 14:59:47 1995
Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]>
Received: from SIVM.SI.EDU by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4)
id AA16901; Tue, 28 Nov 1995 14:59:46 -0500
Message-Id: <9511281959.AA16901@unix10>
Received: from SIVM.SI.EDU by SIVM.SI.EDU (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 0337;
Tue, 28 Nov 95 15:01:22 EST
Received: from SIVM (NJE origin LIBEM077@SIVM) by SIVM.SI.EDU (LMail
V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 4645; Tue, 28 Nov 1995 15:01:22 -0500
Comments: Converted from OV/VM to RFC822 format by PUMP V2.2X
Date: Tue, 28 Nov 95 15:01:21 EST
From: "Hollis L. Gentry" <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Montauk Indians
In-Reply-To: note of 11/28/95 12:21
To: <[log in to unmask]>
content-length: 479
I too am unsure of the legal ramifications. They don't have federal
status I believe, and so are not considered a sovereign nation in the
eyes of the feds. In that case, it may be left to the Shinnecocks and
the NY legislatureto negotiate. Their largest source of revenues I
believe, come from the annual Labor Day Weekend Powow. Perhaps they are
willing to take a gamble and go the casino route. Who knows, their not
too far neighbors, the Pequots, might help with the effort.
From [log in to unmask] Tue Nov 28 21:00:50 1995
Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]>
Received: from emout04.mail.aol.com by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4)
id AA17592; Tue, 28 Nov 1995 21:00:49 -0500
Received: by emout04.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id VAA02258 for [log in to unmask]; Tue, 28 Nov 1995 21:04:43 -0500
Date: Tue, 28 Nov 1995 21:04:43 -0500
From: [log in to unmask]
Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]>
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Immigration Passenger Lists
content-length: 121
Where do I need to look for passenger lists from Ireland to New York in the
year(s) of 1849-1851? Many thanks.
--Julia
From [log in to unmask] Wed Nov 29 10:04:47 1995
Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]>
Received: from simon.cs.cornell.edu by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4)
id AA18985; Wed, 29 Nov 1995 10:04:46 -0500
Received: from cloyd.cs.cornell.edu (CLOYD.CS.CORNELL.EDU [128.84.227.15]) by simon.cs.cornell.edu (8.6.10/R1.4) with ESMTP id KAA23132 for <[log in to unmask]>; Wed, 29 Nov 1995 10:08:42 -0500
Received: from nergal.cs.cornell.edu (NERGAL.CS.CORNELL.EDU [128.84.254.140]) by cloyd.cs.cornell.edu (8.6.10/M1.8) with ESMTP id KAA08502 for <[log in to unmask]>; Wed, 29 Nov 1995 10:08:41 -0500
From: Cynthia Anne Robinson <[log in to unmask]>
Received: (cindy@localhost) by nergal.cs.cornell.edu (8.6.10/C1.3) id KAA09750 for [log in to unmask]; Wed, 29 Nov 1995 10:08:38 -0500
Date: Wed, 29 Nov 1995 10:08:38 -0500
Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]>
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: Immigration Passenger Lists
content-length: 88
if you find out, could you let me know? i'd love to know too.
thanks in advance, cindy
From [log in to unmask] Wed Nov 29 10:09:45 1995
Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]>
Received: from msmc.edu by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4)
id AA19061; Wed, 29 Nov 1995 10:09:44 -0500
Received: from localhost (WHALL2.MSMC.EDU [192.245.86.49]) by msmc.edu (8.6.10/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA21239 for <[log in to unmask]>; Wed, 29 Nov 1995 10:16:01 -0500
From: "John T. Reilly" <[log in to unmask]>
Received: by localhost (5.65) id AA00354; Wed, 29 Nov 95 11:12:41 -0500
Message-Id: <9511291612.AA00354@localhost>
Subject: Re: Immigration Passenger Lists
To: [log in to unmask]
Date: Wed, 29 Nov 1995 11:12:40 -0500 (EST)
In-Reply-To: <[log in to unmask]> from "[log in to unmask]" at Nov 28, 95 09:04:43 pm
X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL22]
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
content-length: 114
You might try the publication called The Famine Immigration Lists. They
are available in many public libraries.
From [log in to unmask] Wed Nov 29 10:37:50 1995
Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]>
Received: from minnie.risd.edu by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4)
id AA19187; Wed, 29 Nov 1995 10:37:48 -0500
Received: by minnie.risd.edu; id AA03220; Wed, 29 Nov 1995 10:40:14 -0500
Received: by mickey.risd.edu (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.3)
id AA06060; Wed, 29 Nov 1995 10:39:24 -0500
Date: Wed, 29 Nov 1995 10:32:28 -0500 (EST)
From: Diane Blair-Lind <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Immigration Passenger Lists
To: [log in to unmask]
Cc: [log in to unmask]
In-Reply-To: <[log in to unmask]>
Message-Id: <Pine.3.05.9511291026.A5813-a100000@mickey>
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII
content-length: 884
Julia,
Are you near a Mormon Family History Center?
Check under U.S. Emmigration/Immigration.
I'm a volunteery at the local library and have traced my Irish ancestor
through passenger lists, etc., I'm just not sure if the index/list go back
that far.
Also, if you are aware about when they arrived in New York and can't get
anywhere here than check Ireland, same records, in the possible ports of
departure; Queenstown, etc.
Or check the National Archives if you are in the
New York area.
Ellis Island Foundation?!
Have you checked the census records to locate the exact year of entry and/or
on the same record the date of naturalization?
**************************
Diane Blair
email ([log in to unmask])
On Tue, 28 Nov 1995 [log in to unmask] wrote:
> Where do I need to look for passenger lists from Ireland to New York in the
> year(s) of 1849-1851? Many thanks.
>
> --Julia
From [log in to unmask] Wed Nov 29 10:54:31 1995
Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]>
Received: from CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4)
id AA19253; Wed, 29 Nov 1995 10:54:29 -0500
Message-Id: <9511291554.AA19253@unix10>
Received: from CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU by CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU (IBM VM SMTP V2R3)
with BSMTP id 3315; Wed, 29 Nov 95 10:58:08 EST
Received: from CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU (NJE origin MEJGC@CUNYVM) by CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with RFC822 id 8298; Wed, 29 Nov 1995 10:42:30 -0500
Date: Wed, 29 Nov 95 10:37:55 EST
From: Julie <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Immigration Passenger Lists
To: [log in to unmask]
In-Reply-To: Message of Tue, 28 Nov 1995 21:04:43 -0500 from <[log in to unmask]>
content-length: 207
You can find immigration passenger lists - called manifests - at the
New York regional branch of the National Archives at 201 Varick Street
in New York City. Their phone number is 212/337-1300. Good luck!
From [log in to unmask] Wed Nov 29 11:06:27 1995
Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]>
Received: from gpwsmtp.arch2.nara.gov by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4)
id AA19296; Wed, 29 Nov 1995 11:06:26 -0500
Received: from NARA-Message_Server by gpwsmtp.arch2.nara.gov
with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 29 Nov 1995 11:11:36 -0500
Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]>
X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1
Date: Wed, 29 Nov 1995 12:12:24 -0500
From: Robert Morris <[log in to unmask]>
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Immigration Passenger Lists -Reply
content-length: 892
You can use Passenger Lists for the Port of New York at several
institutions, including ours (National Archives-Northeast Region, 201
Varick Street, New York, NY), New York Public Library, Latter Day
Saints Family History Centers, and the National Archives in Washington.
The period 1847-1897 is not indexed by passenger name, but Ira A.
Glazier and Michael H. Tepper have compiled a special index entitled THE
FAMINE IMMIGRANTS: LISTS OF IRISH IMMIGRANTS ARRIVING AT THE
PORT OF NEW YORK, 1846-1851. It is available at New York Public
Library, some Family History Centers, and presumably other large
libraries. Although the National Archives in Washington for a small fee
will search indexed time periods, this does not cover the special indexes
like this one, so you would have to do the research yourself. If you have
any questions, you can also contact us at (212) 337-1301.
From [log in to unmask] Wed Nov 29 15:43:00 1995
Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]>
Received: from MAIL.NYSED.GOV by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4)
id AA20274; Wed, 29 Nov 1995 15:43:00 -0500
Received: from SEDDOM1-Message_Server by MAIL.NYSED.GOV
with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 29 Nov 1995 15:47:19 -0500
Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]>
X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1
Date: Wed, 29 Nov 1995 15:48:04 -0500
From: Ann Marie Przybyla <[log in to unmask]>
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: New York State Data
content-length: 6281
This message is being posted to several lists; please
excuse any duplication.
**************************************************************
ELECTRONIC RECORDS IN THE NEW YORK STATE ARCHIVES
The New York State Archives has acquired four significant
electronic records systems. The systems, described in more
detail in the attached message, are:
1. Department of Correctional Services (DOCS) Inmate Case
Records
2. Governor's Office of Employee Relations (GOER) Grievance
Tracking System
3. U.S. Census Data (1970, 1980)
4. State Education Department (SED) Primary/Secondary
Education Data
Personal identifiers, such as name and social security number,
have been removed from the data sets to safeguard personal
privacy.
All of the above data sets are stored on nine-track magnetic
tape in IBM standard label EBCDIC. The GOER Grievance
Tracking System files are also stored on 3.5 inch floppy discs
in ASCII format. Currently, the data sets are available to
the public at the cost of media reproduction. A users' guide
is available in paper format for each of the data sets. A
typical guide describes the source and contents of the data
files, the system requirements, and the general file
structure. A guide may also contain lengthy appendices of
file layouts, listing individual data elements.
Information on obtaining users' guides and data sets is
available from:
NEW YORK STATE ARCHIVES
Cultural Education Center Room 11D40
Albany, NY 12230
Telephone (518) 474-8955
Telefax (518) 473-9985
E-mail [log in to unmask]
------------------- APPEND.DOS follows --------------------
ELECTRONIC RECORDS IN THE NEW YORK STATE ARCHIVES
1. DOCS Inmate Case Records
The New York State Department of Correctional Services maintained
a punchcard-based inmate history information system from 1956 to
1973. The records describe each inmate in detail, giving the
inmate's conviction status, sentence, prior convictions, and
psychiatric classification, as well as the inmate's age, sex,
education status, military status, religion, marital status, and
drug addictions. Personal identifiers, such as name and social
security number, have been suppressed to safeguard personal
privacy.
The users' guide provides the researcher with standard technical
and background information needed to access the data. It also
guides the researcher through a number of structural and content
changes that were made to record layouts over a twenty-year period.
The guide alerts the user to significant amounts of missing and
invalid data that was not identified in the original documentation
and may cause problems for users.
*****************************************************************
2. GOER Grievance Tracking System
The Governor's Office of Employee Relations created the Grievance
Tracking System to collect information on employee grievances and
grieved disciplinary proceedings from all New York State Executive
Branch agencies from 1984 to 1990. The system contains two master
files, the Grievance Data File and the Discipline Data File.
Personal identifiers have been suppressed in each file type.
The users' guide describes the data collection method, illustrates
the components of the database, and defines each data element
utilized by the system. The guide also familiarizes the user with
the contractual grievance and disciplinary procedures of New York
State Executive Branch agencies.
*******************************************************************
3. U.S. Census Data (1970, 1980)
The New York State Data Center, a unit of the Department of
Economic Development (formerly the Department of Commerce), is part
of a nationwide network of state and regional data centers that
receive and distribute official census data products. The New York
State Archives now holds the 1970 and 1980 Housing and Population
Summary Counts for New York State, which provide actual population
counts aggregated to geographic units such as county, town, tract,
and block group. Many counts have multiple data files that
represent various levels of geography. In addition, included in
the Census Data from 1980 are the Equal Employment Opportunity
special file and the American Indian supplementary file, both of
which were designed to assist government and private industry in
planning policies and programs to meet the needs of special
population groups.
A users' guide has been prepared for each year for which census
data is available. The guides are actually introductions to the
documentation produced by the U.S. Census Bureau in 1970 and 1980.
Because access to this information is complicated by the need to
identify hundreds of tabulations, stratifiers, and data elements,
the guides provide users with background information needed to
understand and use the original documentation.
*****************************************************************
4. SED Primary and Secondary Education Data
The Basic Educational Data System (BEDS), created by the New York
State Education Department Information Center on Education,
contains statistical data on the pupils, staff, and facilities of
every local school district, school building, and intermediate
district (Boards of Cooperative Education Services--BOCES) in New
York. BEDS consists of two files, the Institutional Master File
(IMF) and the Personnel Master File (PMF).
The IMF contains data for 1967 to 1981 on each school district,
public and private school building, and BOCES. Individual records
provide institution identifiers and statistics on enrollment,
staffing, and special educational programs. Annual files contain
an average of 7200 records; the size of the records varies. The
PMF contains statistical data for 1968 to 1981 on the demographic
and professional characteristics of public school professional
staff and their job assignments. There are individual records for
up to eight teaching and four nonteaching assignments each year.
Annual files contain roughly 600,000 records; the records size is
170 characters.
Users' guides (paper) to the IMF and PMF are available. The State
Archives also holds paper statistical reports of school enrollment
and finances for the period 1904-1975.
From [log in to unmask] Wed Nov 29 16:11:50 1995
Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]>
Received: from MAIL.NYSED.GOV by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4)
id AA20431; Wed, 29 Nov 1995 16:11:49 -0500
Received: from SEDDOM1-Message_Server by MAIL.NYSED.GOV
with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 29 Nov 1995 16:16:05 -0500
Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]>
X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1
Date: Wed, 29 Nov 1995 16:16:47 -0500
From: Bill Evans <[log in to unmask]>
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: password?
content-length: 290
New subscribers have asked about the strange instructions in
their confirmation notice re: passwords.
The password system in NYHIST-L is inoperative at present,
because it is designed for interactive and other specialized
functions that are not yet available. Sorry for the confusion.
From [log in to unmask] Wed Nov 29 18:24:17 1995
Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]>
Received: from ix11.ix.netcom.com by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4)
id AA20575; Wed, 29 Nov 1995 18:24:16 -0500
Received: from ix-li2-11.ix.netcom.com by ix11.ix.netcom.com (8.6.12/SMI-4.1/Netcom)
id PAA10467; Wed, 29 Nov 1995 15:26:38 -0800
Date: Wed, 29 Nov 1995 15:26:38 -0800
Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]>
X-Sender: [log in to unmask]
X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
To: [log in to unmask]
From: Bonnie Kroll <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Immigration Passenger Lists
content-length: 693
At 09:04 PM 11/28/95 -0500, you wrote:
>Where do I need to look for passenger lists from Ireland to New York in the
>year(s) of 1849-1851? Many thanks.
>
>--Julia
>
>
The Census Bureau NARA has microfilmed copies of passenger manifests for the
Port of New York during these years. Some of them are even indexed, but I
don't know offhand which years (not the one I needed, that's fer shur!). Do
you have access to the Regional Archives? I'd offer to do a lookup for you,
but I don't believe I'll be going until January. You can possibly get the
film on ILL, if you know which one you want. If you let me know a little
more specifically what you are looking for I'll try to help. Bonnie
From [log in to unmask] Thu Nov 30 10:23:36 1995
Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]>
Received: from mail06.mail.aol.com by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4)
id AA21825; Thu, 30 Nov 1995 10:23:35 -0500
Received: by mail06.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id KAA06054 for [log in to unmask]; Thu, 30 Nov 1995 10:27:33 -0500
Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 10:27:33 -0500
From: [log in to unmask]
Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]>
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: Immigration Passenger Lists
content-length: 66
Thank you for the book suggestion, I'll be looking for it.
Julia
From [log in to unmask] Thu Nov 30 10:23:38 1995
Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]>
Received: from emout04.mail.aol.com by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4)
id AA21830; Thu, 30 Nov 1995 10:23:37 -0500
Received: by emout04.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id KAA22635 for [log in to unmask]; Thu, 30 Nov 1995 10:27:35 -0500
Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 10:27:35 -0500
From: [log in to unmask]
Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]>
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: Immigration Passenger Lists
content-length: 1081
Another great idea! I should have thought about the Mormon Library. There's
is one just 15 miles frommy house. I have visited once but didn't think
about the immigration lists. I was overwhelmed with the amount of
information available. Thanks. Also I could ask my niece, who lives in New
Paltz to go to the National Archives the next time she is in New York. You
are speaking of New York City, or is it housed elsewhere. Where is the Ellis
Island Foundation?
I am making an assumption about the year. From the 1880 Soundex from
Indiana, I found that Elizabeth Julia (maiden name unknown) and John Mathew
Campion had a son, John Campion born in 1849 in Ireland. The next child born
was Elizabeth (Lizzie) A. Campion, born 1853 in New York. The next child
born was Patrick Campion, born 1853 in New York. Then they moved to
Logansport, Cass County Indiana where their next child was born 1859, Mary A.
Campion. Others were born after that time.
Actually I haven't thought about a date of naturalization.
Thanks for the leads, I do appreciate your input.
Julia
From [log in to unmask] Thu Nov 30 10:23:38 1995
Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]>
Received: from mail04.mail.aol.com by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4)
id AA21832; Thu, 30 Nov 1995 10:23:37 -0500
Received: by mail04.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id KAA19431 for [log in to unmask]; Thu, 30 Nov 1995 10:27:36 -0500
Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 10:27:36 -0500
From: [log in to unmask]
Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]>
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: Immigration Passenger Lists -Reply
content-length: 168
Thank you! Your guys are a great help. I'll see if the book is available in
Atlanta, otherwise, I solicit my niece to go to the National Archives in New
York.
Julia
From [log in to unmask] Thu Nov 30 15:58:53 1995
Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]>
Received: from eideti.com (ayrton.eideti.com) by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4)
id AA22819; Thu, 30 Nov 1995 15:58:52 -0500
Received: from annex1-4.infi-net.com (annex1-4.infi-net.com [199.171.97.154]) by eideti.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id PAA00614 for <[log in to unmask]>; Thu, 30 Nov 1995 15:59:40 -0500
Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]>
X-Sender: [log in to unmask]
X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.3
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 16:05:58 -0500
To: [log in to unmask]
From: [log in to unmask] (Susan Walski)
Subject: Re: directions
content-length: 268
to everyone who was kind enogh to send me directions to the library, I
thank you. I did find the place and yes the do have a bunch of goodies :-)
Susan>
[log in to unmask]
http://campus.net/home/swalski/
Genealogy: The only hobby where dead people can excite you!
From [log in to unmask] Thu Nov 30 16:42:36 1995
Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]>
Received: from MAIL.NYSED.GOV by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4)
id AA23132; Thu, 30 Nov 1995 16:42:35 -0500
Received: from SEDDOM1-Message_Server by MAIL.NYSED.GOV
with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 30 Nov 1995 16:47:32 -0500
Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]>
X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1
Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 16:47:51 -0500
From: Bill Evans <[log in to unmask]>
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: seeing new york -Reply
content-length: 665
On 11/28 a question was asked about what "bull baiting" was.
Bull baiting consisted of penning up a bull or tieing it out and
letting fighting dogs tear it to pieces. Also there was "bear
baiting" which was the same thing with a bear, insisted of a
bull.
Then the sportsmen of the day combined the two and let the bull
and the bear go at each other. Of course betting was done on the
affair. (A local historian informs me that these events are
still wildly popular in certain upstate communities.:))
Could a historian of business lore tell us if these events have
anything to do with he stock market bull and bear terminology?
Bill Evans
[log in to unmask]
|
