Hauppauge, Nassau County, Long Island. From [log in to unmask] Thu Nov 2 10:02:27 1995 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA22279; Thu, 2 Nov 1995 10:02:26 -0500 Received: from ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu by ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu (PMDF V4.3-9 #5889) id <[log in to unmask]>; Thu, 02 Nov 1995 09:58:34 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 02 Nov 1995 09:58:34 -0500 (EST) From: Kevin Barry <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: JOBS -Reply -Reply To: [log in to unmask] Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]> Organization: University at Buffalo X-Vms-To: IN%"[log in to unmask]" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT content-length: 90 I'm pretty sure Hauppauge is in Suffolk County. Kevin Barry [log in to unmask] From [log in to unmask] Thu Nov 2 11:25:05 1995 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from postoffice.mail.cornell.edu by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA22506; Thu, 2 Nov 1995 11:25:04 -0500 Received: from [128.253.121.68] ([128.253.121.68]) by postoffice.mail.cornell.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id LAA18618 for <[log in to unmask]>; Thu, 2 Nov 1995 11:26:53 -0500 Date: Thu, 2 Nov 1995 11:26:53 -0500 X-Sender: [log in to unmask] Message-Id: <v02120004ace7e2386160@[128.253.121.68]> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: [log in to unmask] From: [log in to unmask] (Barbara J. Lauber) Subject: Re: JOBS -Reply -Reply content-length: 584 Yes Hauppauge is in Suffolk County about 45-50 miles from NYC. Can be reached with the Long Island Expressway and Northern Parkway and commuter train (Long Island RR) Contains the County Seat and various County buildings and such. Centrally located from North and South shores of the Island. Hauppauge borders on Smithtown. Barbara J. Lauber 110A Olin Library Central Technical Services Cornell University Ithaca, New York 14853-5301 607 255-3930 [log in to unmask] XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX The things most people want to know are usually none of their business : Mark Twain From [log in to unmask] Thu Nov 2 12:23:14 1995 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from mail06.mail.aol.com by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA22734; Thu, 2 Nov 1995 12:23:13 -0500 Received: by mail06.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id MAA29479 for [log in to unmask]; Thu, 2 Nov 1995 12:26:40 -0500 Date: Thu, 2 Nov 1995 12:26:40 -0500 From: [log in to unmask] Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: Hauppauge, Suffolk County content-length: 397 In a message dated 95-11-02 09:32:53 EST, you write: >Subj: JOBS -Reply -Reply >Date: 95-11-02 09:32:53 EST >From: [log in to unmask] (Bob Arnold) > >Hauppauge, Nassau County, Long Island. > Sorry Bob, but Hauppauge is not in Nassau county it is in Suffolk county. It is in the town of Islip. It is south of Smithtown, north of Brentwood. Go north on exit 56 on the Long Island Expressway. From [log in to unmask] Thu Nov 2 14:29:37 1995 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from MAIL.NYSED.GOV by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA23255; Thu, 2 Nov 1995 14:29:36 -0500 Received: from SEDDOM1-Message_Server by MAIL.NYSED.GOV with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 02 Nov 1995 15:38:49 -0500 Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]> X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Thu, 02 Nov 1995 14:34:22 -0500 From: Bob Arnold <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: Hauppauge, Suffolk County -Reply content-length: 143 You know, I knew that, but in my haste somehow misplaced my atlas and my knowledge. Fortunately, only about 25,000 people caught the mistake. From [log in to unmask] Thu Nov 2 15:54:05 1995 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from MAIL.NYSED.GOV by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA23626; Thu, 2 Nov 1995 15:54:04 -0500 Received: from SEDDOM1-Message_Server by MAIL.NYSED.GOV with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 02 Nov 1995 17:03:25 -0500 Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]> X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Thu, 02 Nov 1995 15:58:35 -0500 From: Bob Arnold <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask] Subject: JOBS -Reply -Reply content-length: 201 Hauppauge, SUFFOLK County, Long Island. For all of you who were helpful enough with my Long Island geography remediation. Sorry for the confusion. I knew it, but Nassau, like Georgia, was on my mind. From [log in to unmask] Wed Nov 8 11:24:28 1995 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from MAIL.NYSED.GOV by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA02821; Wed, 8 Nov 1995 11:24:28 -0500 Received: from SEDDOM1-Message_Server by MAIL.NYSED.GOV with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 08 Nov 1995 11:26:56 -0500 Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]> X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Wed, 08 Nov 1995 11:27:13 -0500 From: Thomas Ruller <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Test message from Ruller content-length: 101 This is a test message. Please excuse us while we make sure that NYHIST-L is functioning properly. From [log in to unmask] Thu Nov 9 10:44:25 1995 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from emout06.mail.aol.com by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA04778; Thu, 9 Nov 1995 10:44:24 -0500 Received: by emout06.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id KAA27010 for [log in to unmask]; Thu, 9 Nov 1995 10:47:57 -0500 Date: Thu, 9 Nov 1995 10:47:57 -0500 From: [log in to unmask] Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: Test message from Ruller content-length: 68 We haven't seen much mail lately...is everything working all right? From [log in to unmask] Thu Nov 9 11:31:36 1995 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from MAIL.NYSED.GOV by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA04993; Thu, 9 Nov 1995 11:31:35 -0500 Received: from SEDDOM1-Message_Server by MAIL.NYSED.GOV with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 09 Nov 1995 11:34:51 -0500 Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]> X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Thu, 09 Nov 1995 11:36:31 -0500 From: William Evans <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: Test message from Ruller -Reply content-length: 307 Re: lack of activity on NYHIST=L. Jim and I have been wondering the same thing. We have checked with tech support and they can see no problems. The list really belongs to the subscribers; we just try to facilitate it. If anyone has tried to post and not succeeded call Evans or Folts at (518)474-8955. From [log in to unmask] Thu Nov 9 12:15:49 1995 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from postoffice2.mail.cornell.edu by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA05141; Thu, 9 Nov 1995 12:15:49 -0500 Received: from [132.236.212.142] ([132.236.212.142]) by postoffice2.mail.cornell.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id MAA18925 for <[log in to unmask]>; Thu, 9 Nov 1995 12:19:23 -0500 X-Sender: [log in to unmask] Message-Id: <v02120002acc7da98c12d@[132.236.212.142]> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 9 Nov 1995 12:20:28 -0400 To: [log in to unmask] From: [log in to unmask] (G. David Brumberg) Subject: Re: Test message from Ruller content-length: 255 >We haven't seen much mail lately...is everything working all right? I have not received any news from the NY History List for the last few days. G. David Brumberg Collection Development Olin Library Cornell, University Ithaca, NY 14853 607-255-8155 From [log in to unmask] Fri Nov 10 09:48:24 1995 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from emout06.mail.aol.com by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA07134; Fri, 10 Nov 1995 09:48:23 -0500 Received: by emout06.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id JAA25947 for [log in to unmask]; Fri, 10 Nov 1995 09:51:55 -0500 Date: Fri, 10 Nov 1995 09:51:55 -0500 From: [log in to unmask] Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: World War I Service Record content-length: 384 I received a copy of my uncles WW I service Record from the NY State Archives There is a code on the record that we can't seem to figure out. Maybe someone out there has a clue. Hon. disch. Aug 3/17 nn SCD what is "nn" SCD means Service Connected Disability but does anyone know what "nn" means. Appreciate any suggestions Don Eckerle [log in to unmask] From [log in to unmask] Fri Nov 10 10:00:54 1995 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from center.colgate.edu (colgate.edu) by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA07156; Fri, 10 Nov 1995 10:00:54 -0500 Received: from CENTER.COLGATE.EDU by CENTER.COLGATE.EDU (PMDF V4.3-10 #6592) id <[log in to unmask]>; Fri, 10 Nov 1995 10:03:50 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 10 Nov 1995 10:03:50 -0500 (EST) From: [log in to unmask] Subject: an announcement... To: [log in to unmask] Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]> X-Vms-To: IN%"[log in to unmask]" X-Vms-Cc: SGREENHAGEN Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT content-length: 1796 Greetings from beautiful *snowy* central New York -- Due to the dearth of activity on this list, I've decided to take the plunge and announce a new Website located at Colgate University. The Civil War Letters of Galutia York are now on the World Wide Web at the following address: http://exlibris.colgate.edu/gyork/gyork1st.html The site is still under construction, but I think there is enough material available to show the tremendous potential the Internet offers for archival access. Galutia York was the 19-year old son of a farm family from Hubbardsville in Madison County. He enlisted in the 114th NYSV in August of 1862 and served until May of 1863 when he died in Louisiana. 48 of his letters are housed in the Special Collections Department of Colgate University. The materials have been inventoried, cataloged, and transcribed, and are now accessible through the World Wide Web. Additional illustrations of local interest are being added as well as illustrations of the sights Galutia saw and wrote home about. If anyone would care to take a look at the site and offer some constructive criticism, I would be most appreciative. ****************************************************************************** * Sue Greenhagen *********************************** * * Case Library, Colgate University * "None of us is as smart as * * * Hamilton, N.Y. 13346 * all of us." * * * (315) 824-7310 * Satchel Paige * * * [log in to unmask] *********************************** * * http://149.43.3.31/libfolks/sgreenhagen.html * ****************************************************************************** From [log in to unmask] Sat Nov 11 15:43:15 1995 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from mail06.mail.aol.com by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA09530; Sat, 11 Nov 1995 15:43:14 -0500 Received: by mail06.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id PAA17515 for [log in to unmask]; Sat, 11 Nov 1995 15:46:50 -0500 Date: Sat, 11 Nov 1995 15:46:50 -0500 From: [log in to unmask] Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Renssaelaer County content-length: 513 During the years of 1812 through 1816, what was Renssaelaer County Ny like? Were there still uprising with the native americans? What were the major enterprises? For example, farming or town work. What area did it enclose? I am trying to find the reason, why my ancestors moved so much. It seems every 10 years or less, they moved continually from one county to another. (Renssaelaer, Broome, Onondago, etc.) Families appears to have moved together. (Surnames include HAKES and WHEELER) All replies appreciated. From [log in to unmask] Mon Nov 13 09:11:09 1995 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from unix5.nysed.gov by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA12331; Mon, 13 Nov 1995 09:11:08 -0500 Received: from museum.nysed.gov (dos90.nysed.gov) by unix5.nysed.gov (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA09220; Mon, 13 Nov 95 09:22:10 EST Received: from MUSEUM/SpoolDir by museum.nysed.gov (Mercury 1.21); 13 Nov 95 09:16:30 EDT Received: from SpoolDir by MUSEUM (Mercury 1.21); 13 Nov 95 09:16:07 EDT From: "Patti G. Case 3097" <[log in to unmask]> Organization: NYS Museum To: [log in to unmask] Date: Mon, 13 Nov 1995 09:16:05 EDT Subject: Re: Renssaelaer County Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail v3.22 Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]> content-length: 887 > Date sent: Sat, 11 Nov 1995 15:46:50 -0500 > Send reply to: [log in to unmask] > From: [log in to unmask] > To: [log in to unmask] > Subject: Renssaelaer County > During the years of 1812 through 1816, what was Renssaelaer County Ny like? > Were > there still uprising with the native americans? What were the major > enterprises? For > example, farming or town work. > What area did it enclose? I am trying to find the reason, why my ancestors > moved so > much. It seems every 10 years or less, they moved continually from one county > to another. (Renssaelaer, Broome, Onondago, etc.) Families appears to have > moved Please see attached document for a list of local historians for Rensselaer County. They should be able to assist you in your quest. > together. (Surnames include HAKES and WHEELER) All replies appreciated. > From [log in to unmask] Mon Nov 13 09:11:10 1995 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from unix5.nysed.gov by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA12336; Mon, 13 Nov 1995 09:11:10 -0500 Received: from by unix5.nysed.gov (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AB09220; Mon, 13 Nov 95 09:22:11 EST Received: from MUSEUM/SpoolDir by museum.nysed.gov (Mercury 1.21); 13 Nov 95 09:16:31 EDT Received: from SpoolDir by MUSEUM (Mercury 1.21); 13 Nov 95 09:16:07 EDT From: "Patti G. Case 3097" <[log in to unmask]> Organization: NYS Museum To: [log in to unmask] Date: Mon, 13 Nov 1995 09:16:05 EDT X-Pmuue: RENSSELA.DOC X-Finfo: DOS,"RENSSELA.DOC",,,,WordPerfect Subject: Re: Renssaelaer County Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail v3.22 Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]> content-length: 9687 * This message contains the file 'RENSSELA.DOC', which has been * uuencoded. 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M5FEL;&%G92!(86QL"C(W($IO<F1A;B!2;V%DP0`N#RX/+`#!1V]O;&0@4F]A M9,$`0AU"'58`P4)O>"`Q-3<L($-H87)L97,@4W1R965T"E1R;WDL($Y9("`Q M,C$X,,$`+@\N#RP`P5-T97!H96YT;W=N+"!.62`@,3(Q-CC!`$(=0AU6`,%6 M86QL97D@1F%L;',L($Y9("`Q,C$X-0K!`"X/+@\L`,'!`$(=0AU6`,$*PP[# M3$%.4TE.1T)54D=(("A5;FEN8V]R<"Y6:6QL86=E*<0.Q`I-<G,N(%=A<G)E M;B!"<F]D97)I8VL*-CDUJ31T:"!!=F5N=64*3&%N<VEN9V)U<F=H+"!.62`Q $,C$X,F]D end From [log in to unmask] Tue Nov 14 13:52:16 1995 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from ix12.ix.netcom.com by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA14935; Tue, 14 Nov 1995 13:52:15 -0500 Received: from by ix12.ix.netcom.com (8.6.12/SMI-4.1/Netcom) id KAA18530; Tue, 14 Nov 1995 10:57:04 -0800 Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 10:57:04 -0800 Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]> From: [log in to unmask] (Richard A. Buckley ) Subject: Little Falls, NY To: [log in to unmask] content-length: 1145 I am researching the history of Little Falls, NY. Can anyone assist me with the following: 1. Are there any known slave narratives for Black residents of Little Falls, NY or immediate vicinity? 2. The AME Zion Church existed in Little Falls from 1850 to 1924. Where can I locate any documents(other than from local newspaper file)about this AME Zion church? 3. On Black couple - Enoch & Cornelia MOORE played an important role in the Little Falls area. They(and their four daughters)were the best caterers in central New York; they also provided the funds to build the AME Zion Church in Little Falls. Enoch Moore attended the New York State Black Conventions. Where can I obtain detailed information about the New York State Black Conventions? 4. Zenas Brockett(1809-1870)of Brockett's Bridge(now Dolgeville) was an abolitionist and operated a station on the Underground Railroad from his farm. Is Zenas Brockett's life and work as an abolitionist and involvement with the Underground Railroad recorded and available? If so, where? Thanks for your help. Still snowing in your area? Dick Buckley From [log in to unmask] Tue Nov 14 21:02:54 1995 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from emout06.mail.aol.com by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA15458; Tue, 14 Nov 1995 21:02:53 -0500 Received: by emout06.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id VAA26145 for [log in to unmask]; Tue, 14 Nov 1995 21:06:26 -0500 Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 21:06:26 -0500 From: [log in to unmask] Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask] Subject: New York City History content-length: 181 I'm surprised there is not more discussion of the history of NYC here. Has anyone seen the new book THE NEW YORK CITY ENCYCLOPEDIA? Comments? Is it worth the $60 price tag? From [log in to unmask] Wed Nov 15 09:10:10 1995 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from postoffice2.mail.cornell.edu by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA16360; Wed, 15 Nov 1995 09:10:09 -0500 Received: from [132.236.212.142] ([132.236.212.142]) by postoffice2.mail.cornell.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id JAA28454 for <[log in to unmask]>; Wed, 15 Nov 1995 09:13:44 -0500 X-Sender: [log in to unmask] Message-Id: <v02120001accf97289f13@[132.236.212.142]> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 09:14:42 -0400 To: [log in to unmask] From: [log in to unmask] (G. David Brumberg) Subject: Re: New York City History content-length: 633 >I'm surprised there is not more discussion of the history of NYC here. > >Has anyone seen the new book THE NEW YORK CITY ENCYCLOPEDIA? Comments? Is >it worth the $60 price tag? In response to MaguireJIM, I have seen THE NEW YORK CITY ENCYCLOPEDIA. It is a BIG volume full of all kinds of interesting information on New York City. If you have only a casual interest in NYC it might not be worth $60, but if you have a serious interest in the Big Apple it is well worth the price. G. David Brumberg History Bibliographer G. David Brumberg Collection Development Olin Library Cornell, University Ithaca, NY 14853 607-255-8155 From [log in to unmask] Wed Nov 15 10:06:32 1995 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from ns.moran.com by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA16537; Wed, 15 Nov 1995 10:06:31 -0500 Received: from [204.97.213.35] (nw35.moran.com [204.97.213.35]) by ns.moran.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA03978 for <[log in to unmask]>; Wed, 15 Nov 1995 10:04:31 -0500 Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 10:04:31 -0500 X-Sender: [log in to unmask] (Unverified) Message-Id: <v01520d00accf60f3926e@[204.97.213.19]> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: [log in to unmask] From: [log in to unmask] (Benedict R Maryniak) Subject: Grand Army Posts in NY content-length: 1559 I've identified 832 Grand Army of the Republic posts as having been organized within the Dept of New York betwen 1866 and 1948. They all had namesakes - local or national figures somehow linked to the Civil War - but over the years the significance of these names slipped into obscurity. The same thing is true of Amvets or VFW: on any given evening, you can stump the entire barroom at the local post by asking who it was named after. Through my own searching and the good graces of several county, town, & village historians, I have found explanations for all but about 150 of the namesakes. My longest lists of blanks are from the counties of Broome, Herkimer, Jefferson, Kings, Madison, Oneida, Schuyler, & Sullivan. These namesakes offer another view of the war's local impact - local lore about the war. They are usually local soldiers who did not survive the war or survived it very well despite young/old age, injury, or other adversity. There were many exceptions, however. Some namesakes were fathers who lost a number of sons, wealthy families who bankrolled units or relief organizations, vets of earlier wars, or ethnic spokesmen who were not necessarily NY soldiers (Colonel Koltes of 73rd PA, Illinois Colonel Friedrich Hecker). A NY City post was named after Patrick Sarsfield Gilmore, bandmaster for the 24th Massachusetts Infantry who composed "When Johnny Comes Marching Home." I'd be happy to answer questions about what I've found and I sure could use some help for the lingering "stumpers." Benedict Maryniak [log in to unmask] From [log in to unmask] Wed Nov 15 14:24:07 1995 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from emout05.mail.aol.com ([198.81.10.37]) by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA17203; Wed, 15 Nov 1995 14:24:06 -0500 Received: by emout05.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id OAA15577 for [log in to unmask]; Wed, 15 Nov 1995 14:27:46 -0500 Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 14:27:46 -0500 From: [log in to unmask] Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Suspension Bridge, NY content-length: 157 Can anyone tell me where the town of Suspension Bridge, NY was/is located? If possible, some background on the town would be appreciated. Thanks, Bob Weston From [log in to unmask] Thu Nov 16 09:55:03 1995 Return-Path: <@UBVM.CC.BUFFALO.EDU:[log in to unmask]> Received: from UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA18834; Thu, 16 Nov 1995 09:55:00 -0500 Message-Id: <9511161455.AA18834@unix10> Received: from UBVM.CC.BUFFALO.EDU by UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R3) with BSMTP id 5311; Thu, 16 Nov 95 09:57:28 EST Received: from UBVM (NJE origin DENSMORE@UBVM) by UBVM.CC.BUFFALO.EDU (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 4340; Thu, 16 Nov 1995 09:54:59 -0500 Date: Thu, 16 Nov 95 09:52:35 EST From: Christopher Densmore <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: Suspension Bridge, NY To: [log in to unmask] In-Reply-To: Message of Wed, 15 Nov 1995 14:27:46 -0500 from <[log in to unmask]> content-length: 277 Suspension Bridge is now Niagara Falls. Christopher Densmore University Archives, State University of New York at Buffalo 420 Capen Hall, Buffalo, NY 14260-2200 Phone: (716) 645-2916 Fax: (716) 645-3844 BITNET: [log in to unmask] INTERNET: [log in to unmask] From [log in to unmask] Thu Nov 16 13:07:53 1995 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from postoffice4.mail.cornell.edu by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA19345; Thu, 16 Nov 1995 13:07:53 -0500 Received: from [132.236.102.57] (CU-DIALUP-0043.CIT.CORNELL.EDU [132.236.102.57]) by postoffice4.mail.cornell.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id NAA28132 for <[log in to unmask]>; Thu, 16 Nov 1995 13:11:19 -0500 Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 13:11:19 -0500 X-Sender: [log in to unmask] Message-Id: <v0212000200c49cf3a119@[132.236.102.57]> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: [log in to unmask] From: [log in to unmask] (carol kammen) Subject: Re: Suspension Bridge, NY content-length: 541 According to the Historical Gazetteer of New York (1860) Suspension Bridge -- I had to look i t up because I didn't recall ever hearing it -- was a post office in Niagara county, incorporated 1854, and is now Niagara City. Named for the Niagara Suspension Bridge which crossed the river there, built in 1852, finished in 1855. The bridge was 821 feet long and 247 feet above the water. It had two floors, the lower for carriages, and the upper for a rail way. The bridge cost $500,000 to build. There is more detail; page 455. From [log in to unmask] Thu Nov 16 15:37:01 1995 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from MAIL.NYSED.GOV by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA19779; Thu, 16 Nov 1995 15:37:00 -0500 Received: from SEDDOM1-Message_Server by MAIL.NYSED.GOV with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 16 Nov 1995 15:44:28 -0500 Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]> X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 15:36:46 -0500 From: Ann Marie Przybyla <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Electronic Records User Survey content-length: 775 This message is being posted to several lists; please excuse any duplication **************************************************************** Researchers Interested in Using Electronic Records: The New York State Archives and Records Administration (SARA) has acquired four significant electronic data sets generated by New York State agencies. To enhance access to the data sets, SARA is conducting a survey targeted at researchers who use machine- readable data and statistical analysis for their work. A high level of participation in this survey would be very helpful. If you would like to participate, please contact: Ann Marie Przybyla Electronic Records and Networking Services Unit New York State Archives and Records Administration [log in to unmask] From [log in to unmask] Thu Nov 16 20:14:15 1995 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from emout06.mail.aol.com by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA20269; Thu, 16 Nov 1995 20:14:14 -0500 Received: by emout06.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id UAA10967 for [log in to unmask]; Thu, 16 Nov 1995 20:17:57 -0500 Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 20:17:57 -0500 From: [log in to unmask] Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: World War I Service Record content-length: 133 To Don Eckerle; In reference to your Uncle's WWI record from NY..could the NN have stood for no name? Regards, Esther from Indiana From [log in to unmask] Fri Nov 17 00:33:05 1995 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from sparc1.glen-net.ca by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA20654; Fri, 17 Nov 1995 00:32:43 -0500 Received: from x43glen.glen-net.ca (x43glen.glen-net.ca [205.189.134.43]) by sparc1.glen-net.ca (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id AAA16427 for <[log in to unmask]>; Fri, 17 Nov 1995 00:37:34 -0500 Date: Fri, 17 Nov 1995 00:37:34 -0500 Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]> X-Sender: [log in to unmask] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: [log in to unmask] From: [log in to unmask] (David G Anderson) Subject: John Roebling & Co, (Bridge & Wire) X-Mailer: <Windows Eudora Version 1.4.2b16> content-length: 425 I seek information on the history of the New York firm of JOHN ROEBLING & CO, bridge and wire manfacturers. This firm employed COLIN THOMPSON, a grandson of the great Canadian mapmaker DAVID THOMPSON. I wish to know if the papers of the company survived or if there are historical accounts of the firm and their projects. David G Anderson <[log in to unmask]> Glengarry Historical Society Williamstown, Ontario, Canada From [log in to unmask] Fri Nov 17 11:54:28 1995 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from genesis.nylink.org (genesis.wnet.org) by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA21821; Fri, 17 Nov 1995 11:54:27 -0500 Received: by genesis.nylink.org (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA12579; Fri, 17 Nov 1995 11:57:52 -0500 From: [log in to unmask] Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: John Roebling & Co, (Bridge & Wire) To: [log in to unmask] Date: Fri, 17 Nov 1995 11:57:51 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: <[log in to unmask]> from "David G Anderson" at Nov 17, 95 00:37:34 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Content-Type: text content-length: 96 Write to RPI in Troy, New York. Their library has all the archival papers of the Roeblings. From [log in to unmask] Fri Nov 17 11:55:23 1995 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from genesis.nylink.org (genesis.wnet.org) by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA21842; Fri, 17 Nov 1995 11:55:22 -0500 Received: by genesis.nylink.org (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA12599; Fri, 17 Nov 1995 11:58:47 -0500 From: [log in to unmask] Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: John Roebling & Co, (Bridge & Wire) To: [log in to unmask] Date: Fri, 17 Nov 1995 11:58:46 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: <[log in to unmask]> from "David G Anderson" at Nov 17, 95 00:37:34 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Content-Type: text content-length: 93 Wriet RPI in Troy NY They have lots of the Reobling papers in their archives. Bonnie Davis From [log in to unmask] Fri Nov 17 12:21:46 1995 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from mail.med.cornell.edu by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA21979; Fri, 17 Nov 1995 12:21:45 -0500 Received: from pc101619.med.cornell.edu (pc101619.med.cornell.edu [140.251.240.123]) by mail.med.cornell.edu (8.7/8.7/ech2.01) with SMTP id MAA05300 for <[log in to unmask]>; Fri, 17 Nov 1995 12:25:25 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]> X-Sender: [log in to unmask] X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 17 Nov 1995 12:28:02 -0500 To: [log in to unmask] From: [log in to unmask] (Adele A. Lerner) Subject: Re: John Roebling & Co, (Bridge & Wire) content-length: 1144 I assume that this is the Roebling family responsible for the glorious Brooklyn Bridge. I know that plans and other info about that bridge are in the NYCity Municipal Archives(affectionately known as DORIS). I suggest contacting Ken Cobb or Leonora Gidlund at 212-788-8585 or 8629. Also, the Hagley Museum and Archives has records of industries. Jon Williams is the Archivist there...sorry but I can't locate his address or e-mail info. Hagley is located in Delaware, perhaps Wilmington. Please let me know if and when you locate Roebling materials. Good luck. Adele > >I seek information on the history of the New York firm of JOHN ROEBLING & >CO, bridge and wire manfacturers. >This firm employed COLIN THOMPSON, a grandson of the great Canadian mapmaker >DAVID THOMPSON. I wish to know if the papers of the company survived or if >there are historical accounts of the firm and their projects. > > >David G Anderson <[log in to unmask]> >Glengarry Historical Society >Williamstown, Ontario, Canada > > Adele A. Lerner, Archivist New York Hospital-Cornell Medical Center 1300 York Avenue New York, New York 10021 212-746-6072 From [log in to unmask] Fri Nov 17 20:00:32 1995 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from mail04.mail.aol.com by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA22948; Fri, 17 Nov 1995 20:00:31 -0500 Received: by mail04.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id UAA17252 for [log in to unmask]; Fri, 17 Nov 1995 20:04:15 -0500 Date: Fri, 17 Nov 1995 20:04:15 -0500 From: [log in to unmask] Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: John Roebling & Co, (Bridge & Wire) content-length: 342 In a message dated 95-11-17 19:24:47 EST, you write: >Hagley is located in Delaware, perhaps Wilmington.<<<<< Yup. It's a fantastic museum, lots of stuff on the DuPont family, as would be expected in Delaware. It's not physically within the city limits of Wilmington, (I don't believe) but the mailing address would probably be Wilmington. From [log in to unmask] Fri Nov 17 20:52:41 1995 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from emout05.mail.aol.com by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA23008; Fri, 17 Nov 1995 20:52:40 -0500 Received: by emout05.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id UAA02146 for [log in to unmask]; Fri, 17 Nov 1995 20:56:24 -0500 Date: Fri, 17 Nov 1995 20:56:24 -0500 From: [log in to unmask] Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: John Roebling & Co, (Brid... content-length: 768 The firm was John A. Roebling's Sons and it was located in Trenton, NJ. They were a wire cable manufacturer. The Brooklyn Bridge was built by the New York Bridge Co. Roebling was the designer. I believe (if memory serves me right) that it was actually some time into the construction that the Trenton firm won the contract for the wire. My first question is, was the man who's records you are seeking employed by the bridge company or the wire works. I might refer you to the Trenton Free Public Library for information on the wire works. David McCullough sights it as a source of research in his book The Great Bridge. I also refer you to the bibliography in that book and the Authors Notes in front of the book for other sources. Glad to be of help. JFM From [log in to unmask] Fri Nov 17 22:35:49 1995 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from dorsai.dorsai.org (amanda.dorsai.org) by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA23133; Fri, 17 Nov 1995 22:35:48 -0500 Date: Fri, 17 Nov 1995 22:34:50 -0500 Received: from mh.dorsai.org (amanda.dorsai.org) by dorsai.dorsai.org (5.67b/23Dec93-Dorsai Embassy) id AA23082; Fri, 17 Nov 1995 22:34:50 -0500 Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]> X-Sender: [log in to unmask] X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: [log in to unmask] From: [log in to unmask] (Sabra Maya Feldman) Subject: Re: New York City History & The Encyclopedia content-length: 730 I believe that Coliseum Books at Columbus Circle in Manhattan is selling the $60 _NYC Encyclopedia_ (or whatever its title is) for $40. The store's phone number is (212) 757-8381; they probably do mail order. Can anyone suggest sources of information--either published or archival--for late- nineteenth-century NYC commercial history? I'm interested in importers and retailers of Oriental goods (from the Islamic world, India, Japan, and China), an emporium called A.A. Van Tine and a decorator/importer named Lockwood de Forest in particular. A recent post alluded to a NYC Municipal Archive; could someone kindly fill me in on what its holdings are and their accessibility? Thanks in advance. --Sabra Feldman [log in to unmask] From [log in to unmask] Sun Nov 19 08:49:19 1995 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from emout05.mail.aol.com by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA25434; Sun, 19 Nov 1995 08:49:18 -0500 Received: by emout05.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id IAA09856 for [log in to unmask]; Sun, 19 Nov 1995 08:53:03 -0500 Date: Sun, 19 Nov 1995 08:53:03 -0500 From: [log in to unmask] Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Hiawatha and Mohicans content-length: 439 Ok, another good question to throw around. In James Fenimore Cooper's story "THE LAST OF THE MOHICANS", there was only one left from the Mohican (SP) tribe. Was this true or is there still a tribe of native americans called "Mohican"? Secondly, there was a man by the name of Hiawatha of a New York Indian Tribe, be it Mohawks, Iroquois, or Seneca's. (Not sure on that) Was the poem of Hiawatha, in honor of this man? Regards.. Esther From [log in to unmask] Mon Nov 20 07:20:10 1995 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from TSOD.LMIG.COM by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA27151; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 07:20:08 -0500 Received: by TSOD.LMIG.COM (Soft-Switch Central V4L380P3); 20 Nov 1995 07:19:07 GMT Message-Id: <MSMAIL.GRAVESM.3792.1995 11 20 0719 0719> Date: 20 Nov 1995 07:19:07 GMT From: "Graves-Maureen" <[log in to unmask]> Subject: political patronage or worker's compensation? To: [log in to unmask] Comment: MEMO content-length: 1020 I have a general and a specific question. My great-grandfather, Charles Tiernan, 1850-1902, was injured while working on the capitol building in Albany. Afterwards, he was made an orderly. Was there anything like Worker's Compensation insurance back then? Or was he appointed orderly in recognition of loss of employability. Or was this part of some political patronage system. I understand that New York is known for its purity in politics; ). Specifically, can anyone recommend any good sources on the building of the capitol building? Or any sources that deal with those who worked on the building? Here is an excerpt from his obituary, published in the Daily Press-Knickerbocker &Albany Morning Express, 2/27/1902: "After the close of the war he learned the bricklayers trade and became a skillful workman. A fall from a scaffold caused him to retire. The accident occurred in the assembly chamber and after his recovery he was a made a Capitol orderly." Thanks, Maureen [log in to unmask] From [log in to unmask] Mon Nov 20 06:54:14 1995 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from TSOD.LMIG.COM by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA27095; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 06:54:10 -0500 Received: by TSOD.LMIG.COM (Soft-Switch Central V4L380P3); 20 Nov 1995 06:54:06 GMT Message-Id: <MSMAIL.GRAVESM.3782.1995 11 20 0654 0654> Date: 20 Nov 1995 06:54:06 GMT From: "Graves-Maureen" <[log in to unmask]> Subject: RE: Grand Army Posts in NY To: [log in to unmask] Comment: MEMO content-length: 147 My great-grandfather was a member of Lew Morris Post, GAR. I am curious as to who Lew Morris was. This GAR post was in Albany, NY. - Maureen From [log in to unmask] Mon Nov 20 11:25:41 1995 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from IRIS.RFMH.ORG (rfmh.org) by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA27917; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 11:25:40 -0500 Message-Id: <9511201625.AA27917@unix10> Received: from IRIS.RFMH.ORG by IRIS.RFMH.ORG (IBM VM SMTP V2R3) with BSMTP id 1421; Mon, 20 Nov 95 11:28:18 EST Received: from iris.rfmh.org (NJE origin MHMARTIN@NKI) by IRIS.RFMH.ORG (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 0645; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 11:28:19 -0500 Date: Mon, 20 Nov 95 11:11:59 EST From: Daniel Martin <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: Hiawatha and Mohicans To: [log in to unmask] In-Reply-To: Message of Sun, 19 Nov 1995 08:53:03 -0500 from <[log in to unmask]> content-length: 2398 In regard to the question of the Mohicans. yes, there really was a tribe called the Mohicans, but they are not yet extinct. Anyone please feel free to correct me, as I am doing this from memory. The Mohicans were the original inhabitants of the Albany, NY area who were met by Henry Hudson and the settlers of the Upper Hudson Valley. They were Algonquins and waged on and off wars with the Mohawks, whose territory abutted their own. They eventually lost to the Mohawks and were reduced to vassals, paying tribute to them. Their original center was Schodack Island south of Albany, but eventually they left to go to Massachussets where I believe they were then referred to as the Stockbridge Indians. I believe that they sided with the Americans during the Revolutionary War, and that the patriots then rewarded them by stealing from them the little they had left and I think they then left with the Oneidas for the Green Bay area of Wisconsin. They should not be confused with the Mahicans of Connecticutt who were an entirely different tribe. I have a love/hate relationship with the works of Cooper. I feel that his works tend to create interest in my home area of Upstate NY, but he took much poetic license in his work. Compounding his sins are the changes that were made to his book for the movie. Some people consider for example that his written version of the so-called massacre of the English at Fort William Henry was faithful to at least some reports of the actual happening. The movie version which goes so far as to suggest that Montcalm hinted that it would be helpful for the massacre to occur is not even close to real. Unfortunately, history seems to be something that people come to late in life for the most part. What many people tend to know is what is in the popular media, such as the movies and popular authors such as Cooper. I must add, though, that the one thing Cooper did do that you can usually count on , is actually travel the areas he wrote about, so if you like an area that he describes, it probably exists in reality. In regard to Hiawatha, according to a TV show with Bill Moyers, Hiawatha was a part historical but mostly fictional character. Which seems to say that it really doesn't matter what tribe he was from. In fact, according to Oren Lyons, spiritual chief of the Onondagas, the Great Lawgiver of the Iroquois was a Huron. Daniel Martin From [log in to unmask] Mon Nov 20 11:56:23 1995 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from vms1.nysed.gov by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA28010; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 11:56:23 -0500 Received: from unix2.nysed.gov ([149.10.64.34]) by vms1.nysed.gov with SMTP; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 12:00:04 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 10:01:57 -0800 (PST) From: Jim Corsaro <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask] Cc: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: Grand Army Posts in NY X-Sender: [log in to unmask] In-Reply-To: <v01520d00accf60f3926e@[204.97.213.19]> Message-Id: <Pine.PCP.3.91.951120095955.4692A-100000@[149.10.64.34]> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII content-length: 2142 Mr. Maryniak: You and anyone else interested in the GAR in NYS will be interested to know that the records of the GAR NYS encampment are in the State Library. It is a large collection, but there is a finding aid for it. The collection is open for research. Jim Corsaro James Corsaro Associate Librarian Manuscripts and Special Collections New York State Library Empire State Plaza Albany, New York 12230 e-mail: [log in to unmask] (518) 474-5963 On Wed, 15 Nov 1995, Benedict R Maryniak wrote: > I've identified 832 Grand Army of the Republic posts as having been > organized within the Dept of New York betwen 1866 and 1948. They all had > namesakes - local or national figures somehow linked to the Civil War - but > over the years the significance of these names slipped into obscurity. The > same thing is true of Amvets or VFW: on any given evening, you can stump > the entire barroom at the local post by asking who it was named after. > Through my own searching and the good graces of several county, town, & > village historians, I have found explanations for all but about 150 of the > namesakes. My longest lists of blanks are from the counties of Broome, > Herkimer, Jefferson, Kings, Madison, Oneida, Schuyler, & Sullivan. > > These namesakes offer another view of the war's local impact - local lore > about the war. They are usually local soldiers who did not survive the war > or survived it very well despite young/old age, injury, or other adversity. > There were many exceptions, however. Some namesakes were fathers who lost a > number of sons, wealthy families who bankrolled units or relief > organizations, vets of earlier wars, or ethnic spokesmen who were not > necessarily NY soldiers (Colonel Koltes of 73rd PA, Illinois Colonel > Friedrich Hecker). A NY City post was named after Patrick Sarsfield > Gilmore, bandmaster for the 24th Massachusetts Infantry who composed "When > Johnny Comes Marching Home." > > I'd be happy to answer questions about what I've found and I sure could use > some help for the lingering "stumpers." > > Benedict Maryniak > [log in to unmask] > > > > From [log in to unmask] Mon Nov 20 12:07:20 1995 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from vms1.nysed.gov by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA28100; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 12:07:19 -0500 Received: from unix2.nysed.gov ([149.10.64.34]) by vms1.nysed.gov with SMTP; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 12:11:03 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 10:12:54 -0800 (PST) From: Jim Corsaro <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask] Cc: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: John Roebling & Co, (Bridge & Wire) X-Sender: [log in to unmask] In-Reply-To: <[log in to unmask]> Message-Id: <Pine.PCP.3.91.951120101042.4692E-100000@[149.10.64.34]> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII content-length: 1060 The Roebling family papers are at Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Folsom Library, Troy, NY. It is a large collection and probably includes papers from the Roebling Company. Wash Roebling, who built the Brooklyn Bridge, after his father John, who designed it, but died after injuring his foot during the early construction of the bridge, was a graduate of RPI. James Corsaro Associate Librarian Manuscripts and Special Collections New York State Library Empire State Plaza Albany, New York 12230 e-mail: [log in to unmask] (518) 474-5963 On Fri, 17 Nov 1995, David G Anderson wrote: > > I seek information on the history of the New York firm of JOHN ROEBLING & > CO, bridge and wire manfacturers. > This firm employed COLIN THOMPSON, a grandson of the great Canadian mapmaker > DAVID THOMPSON. I wish to know if the papers of the company survived or if > there are historical accounts of the firm and their projects. > > > David G Anderson <[log in to unmask]> > Glengarry Historical Society > Williamstown, Ontario, Canada > > From [log in to unmask] Mon Nov 20 14:47:14 1995 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from ix7.ix.netcom.com by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA28766; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 14:47:13 -0500 Received: from by ix7.ix.netcom.com (8.6.12/SMI-4.1/Netcom) id LAA27236; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 11:50:49 -0800 Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 11:50:49 -0800 Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]> From: [log in to unmask] (Richard A. Buckley ) Subject: Re: Hiawatha and Mohicans To: [log in to unmask] content-length: 1192 There are both Mahican and Mohegan people still surviving as part of a Tribal Identity. The Mohegan are in Connecticut allied with the Pequot Tribes. The Mahican are in Wisconsin as part of the Stockbridge-Munsee Reservation. I believe it was the Mahican people who were the subject of Cooper's book. The Mahican were an Algonguian tribe. The Oneida Indian Nation provided them some land in central New York(see Oneida county, township of New Stockbridge). Subsequently, most moved to Wisconsin after many Oneida Indians also moved to Wisconsin. The Mohegan people seemed to have been historically connected to the Pequot tribes. Presently, because of its large Casino earnings, the Pequot-Mohegan tribe in Connecticut possess considerable wealth. They recently donated 10 million dollars towards the campaign to construct the National Museum of the American Indian on the Mall in D.C. Hiawatha is an important "founder" of the Iroquois Confederacy. See the Handbook of North American Indians, Volume 15, Northeast, Smithsonian Institution, 1978, pages 422, 424, 426 for explanation of how the founder Hiawatha was misindentified in Longfellow's poem. From [log in to unmask] Mon Nov 20 14:57:21 1995 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from emout04.mail.aol.com by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA28881; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 14:57:21 -0500 Received: by emout04.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id PAA24637 for [log in to unmask]; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 15:01:00 -0500 Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 15:01:00 -0500 From: [log in to unmask] Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: RE: Grand Army Posts in NY content-length: 300 Lewis Morris is a major historical personage from New Jersey. There is Morris County, Morristown, Morris Township, Morris Plains, and Lewis Morris Park. I believe he signed the Declaration of Independence. Unfortunately I have no idea what his tie in to NYS history or Albany would have been. From [log in to unmask] Mon Nov 20 15:18:05 1995 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from mail04.mail.aol.com ([152.163.172.53]) by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA29089; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 15:18:03 -0500 Received: by mail04.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id PAA25018 for [log in to unmask]; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 15:21:13 -0500 Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 15:21:13 -0500 From: [log in to unmask] Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: political patronage or wo... content-length: 514 Workers Comp is a product of the early part of this century. Prior to that an employee had to sue his employer for compensation for his injuries. And it was very hard for the employee to win because the employer had many strong legal defenses available to him. I would be inclind to find out when Civil Service started in NYS. Was this a patronage job or a civil service job? Did he have to take a test to get the job? If not I believe all other jobs and jobs awarded before Civil Servive were patronage. From [log in to unmask] Mon Nov 20 18:55:20 1995 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from limestone.kosone.com by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA29761; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 18:55:18 -0500 Received: from ki-ppp15.kosone.com by limestone.kosone.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA12391; Mon, 20 Nov 95 18:51:43 EST Date: Mon, 20 Nov 95 18:51:42 EST Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]> X-Sender: [log in to unmask] (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: [log in to unmask] From: [log in to unmask] (terry deline) Subject: Re: Hiawatha and Mohicans content-length: 2591 >Ok, another good question to throw around. In James Fenimore Cooper's story >"THE >LAST OF THE MOHICANS", there was only one left from the Mohican (SP) tribe. >Secondly, there was a man by the name of Hiawatha of a New York Indian Tribe, >be it >Mohawks, Iroquois, or Seneca's. (Not sure on that) Was the poem of Hiawatha, >in honor >of this man? >Regards.. >Esther > the answers re: the Mohegans are pretty terse, but generally right. Rregarding Hiawatha - Longfellow did no one any favours other than bring the notice of this name to the european community through his poem. The poem is a mish mash of misinformation if you will. "Hiawatha, Hayenwatha, Ayonhwahtha, Taoungwatha - 'he who seeks the weampum belt' was a chief of the Onondaga's - perhaps adopted as many Iroquois were. He entered into a prolonged adviserial relationship with a chief of his tribe called variously Atotarho, Thatotarho, Watatotahro or Tadadaho depending on your dialect! The name Atotarho signifies "entangled". The conflict between these two men resulted in a system of government of the five nations which was to be a permanent government. While each nation governed itself regarding local affairs - the general control was lodged in a 'federal' senate. Five nations who stopped warring among themselves and created a great covenant chain which lasted some 400 years until it was broken by the politics of the American ???? we call it a revolution while many of you will call it a war of independence. (I have roots both in the Sons of the Revolution and in the United Empire Loyalists!!). The story of Hiawatha is to long to tell here, but it rivals the great European stories -such as the story of Alfred the Great, and etc. The upshot of this is the fact "The Great Binding Law, Gayanashagowa" was put in place which is the same as the Constitution of the United States of America - in fact, it seems that much of the US Constitution was modeled on the Iroquois consitituion. Hiawatha is considered the moving force behind this and if you want a good run down on the story I would point you to : The Iroquois Book of Rites and Hale On The Iroquois by Horatio Hale reprinted by Iroqrafts Ltd. R.R. 2 Ohsweken Ontario, Canada (reprinted November, 1989) series editor Wm. Guy Spittal An understanding of the history of the Iroquois is pivitol in my opinion if we are really to know the truth and character of the founding of both the United States of America and english speaking Canada. I hope this helps. Terry Deline From [log in to unmask] Mon Nov 20 19:04:54 1995 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from center.colgate.edu (colgate.edu) by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA29819; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 19:04:53 -0500 Received: from CENTER.COLGATE.EDU by CENTER.COLGATE.EDU (PMDF V4.3-10 #6592) id <[log in to unmask]>; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 19:09:51 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 19:09:51 -0500 (EST) From: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: Grand Army Posts in NY To: [log in to unmask] Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]> X-Vms-To: IN%"[log in to unmask]" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT content-length: 982 Just to add my $.02 to the discussion of the Lewis Morris Post - MORRIS, Lewis O. Colonel, 7th Regt. of NY Artillery (Heavy). Known as the "Albany County Regt.," or the "Seymour Guard." Morris was killed in action by a sharpshooter, June 4, 1864, at Cold Harbor, Va. Source: Pfisterer's _NY in the War of the Rebellion_, vol. 2, p. 1389. ****************************************************************************** * Sue Greenhagen *********************************** * * Case Library, Colgate University * "None of us is as smart as * * * Hamilton, N.Y. 13346 * all of us." * * * (315) 824-7310 * Satchel Paige * * * [log in to unmask] *********************************** * * http://149.43.3.31/libfolks/sgreenhagen.html * ****************************************************************************** From [log in to unmask] Mon Nov 20 22:16:21 1995 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from mail04.mail.aol.com by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA00058; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 22:16:20 -0500 Received: by mail04.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id VAA27622 for [log in to unmask]; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 21:27:49 -0500 Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 21:27:49 -0500 From: [log in to unmask] Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask] Subject: New York City History & The Ency content-length: 414 Thank you for that great tip on The New York City Encyclopedia. I will be in touch with the folks at Coliseum Books. As to your question concerning late-ninetenth century commercial history. The firm of W. W. De Forest & Son is mentioned in Robert Greenhalgh Albion's book The Rise of New York Port. The extensive bibliography in this book may proide you with other sources. I hope this is of help to you. From [log in to unmask] Mon Nov 20 23:27:27 1995 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from pimaia2y.prodigy.com by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA00228; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 23:27:26 -0500 Received: from mail.prodigy.com ([199.4.137.13]) by pimaia2y.prodigy.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) with SMTP id XAA27874 for <[log in to unmask]>; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 23:08:32 -0500 Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 23:08:08 EST From: [log in to unmask] (MS BETH L TEGART) X-Mailer: PRODIGY Services Company Internet mailer [PIM 3.2-319.50] Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Civil War Regiments content-length: 386 I am trying to annotate a collection of letters from a veteran of the 26th NY Vol Infantry. Does anyone have any information, documents or other letters concerning the 26th? Later he reenlisted in the 14th NY Heavy Artillery and I am trying to research that unit as well. I am also interested in the 57th, 146th, 97th and other Oneida County/ central NY units. Robert Tegart From [log in to unmask] Tue Nov 21 08:35:57 1995 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from UTKVX1.UTK.EDU by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA00810; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 08:35:56 -0500 Received: from utkvx.utk.edu by utkvx.utk.edu (PMDF V5.0-4 #9964) id <01HXWDAHMZ5S8ZNM86@utkvx.utk.edu> for [log in to unmask]; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 08:39:40 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 08:39:40 -0500 (EST) From: "Milton Klein, University Historian" <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: Grand Army Posts in NY To: [log in to unmask] Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]> X-Vms-To: IN%"[log in to unmask]" X-Vms-Cc: MKLEIN Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT content-length: 1347 On the first Lewis Morris in New York, consult Eugene Sheridan, LEWIS MORRIS, 1671-1746 (Syracuse University Press, 1981) From: IN%"[log in to unmask]" 20-NOV-1995 09:33:31.79 To: IN%"[log in to unmask]" CC: Subj: RE: Grand Army Posts in NY Return-path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from unix10 ("port 61698"@unix10.nysed.gov) by utkvx.utk.edu (PMDF V5.0-4 #9964) id <[log in to unmask]> for [log in to unmask]; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 09:33:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from host (localhost) by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA27781; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 09:25:48 -0500 Received: from TSOD.LMIG.COM by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA27095; Mon, 20 Nov 1995 06:54:10 -0500 Received: by TSOD.LMIG.COM (Soft-Switch Central V4L380P3); Mon, 20 Nov 1995 06:54:06 +0000 (GMT) Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 06:54:06 +0000 (GMT) From: Graves-Maureen <[log in to unmask]> Subject: RE: Grand Army Posts in NY Sender: [log in to unmask] To: [log in to unmask] Reply-to: [log in to unmask] Message-id: <MSMAIL.GRAVESM.3782.1995 11 20 0654 0654> Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk X-Listprocessor-version: 7.2 -- ListProcessor by CREN My great-grandfather was a member of Lew Morris Post, GAR. I am curious as to who Lew Morris was. This GAR post was in Albany, NY. - Maureen From [log in to unmask] Tue Nov 21 10:33:54 1995 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from mail06.mail.aol.com by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA01700; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 10:33:52 -0500 Received: by mail06.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id KAA24559 for [log in to unmask]; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 10:37:40 -0500 Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 10:37:40 -0500 From: [log in to unmask] Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask] Subject: government programs content-length: 623 I am confused about the goals of Congressman Sherwood Boehlert's "Northern Frontier Project" and the "Mohawk Valley Heritage Corridor" under Bernadette Castro of the NYS Office of Parks, Recreation and Historic Preservation. Aren't they very similar in nature and couldn't these efforts be combined to utilize the available resources of people and funding to the best advantage for Central New York? Jane Dieffenbacher Town of Fairfield Historian P.O. Box 1 Middleville, NY 13406 From [log in to unmask] Tue Nov 21 14:54:09 1995 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from gpwsmtp.arch2.nara.gov by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA02551; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 14:54:07 -0500 Received: from NARA-Message_Server by gpwsmtp.arch2.nara.gov with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 14:59:14 -0500 Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]> X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 14:58:46 -0500 From: Claire Kluskens <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: D Eckerle: World War I Service Record -Reply content-length: 762 I checked with one of the military archivists here, and we don't know what "nn" means either. You might check with the NY State Archives. If you will send me your snail mail address, I can send you some informational material that the military archivist has concerning records in the NY State Archives regarding these records. >>> <[log in to unmask]> 11/10/95 09:51am >>> I received a copy of my uncles WW I service Record from the NY State Archives There is a code on the record that we can't seem to figure out. Maybe someone out there has a clue. Hon. disch. Aug 3/17 nn SCD what is "nn" SCD means Service Connected Disability but does anyone know what "nn" means. Appreciate any suggestions Don Eckerle [log in to unmask] From [log in to unmask] Tue Nov 21 19:24:43 1995 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from ns.moran.com by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA03063; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 19:24:42 -0500 Received: from [204.97.213.171] ([204.97.213.171]) by ns.moran.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id TAA29752 for <[log in to unmask]>; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 19:25:18 -0500 Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 19:25:18 -0500 X-Sender: [log in to unmask] (Unverified) Message-Id: <v01520d00acd7d6960ea3@[204.97.213.28]> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: [log in to unmask] From: [log in to unmask] (Benedict R Maryniak) Subject: Enough about Lewis Morris! content-length: 485 My original request about GAR posts in NY brought a request about the Lewis Morris Post in Albany County and I see now that I should have answered over this forum format rather than get back to the individual directly, as I did. It is really Lewis O Morris and Ms Greenhagen was correct, he was Colonel of Albany County's 7th NY Heavy Artillery, popped by a sharpshooter June 4 1864 at Cold Harbor. There is absolutely no relevance with other men named "Lewis Morris." Ben Maryniak From [log in to unmask] Tue Nov 21 22:14:27 1995 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from mail04.mail.aol.com by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA03309; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 22:14:26 -0500 Received: by mail04.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id WAA11403 for [log in to unmask]; Tue, 21 Nov 1995 22:18:15 -0500 Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 22:18:15 -0500 From: [log in to unmask] Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: Hiawatha and Mohicans content-length: 596 I thought it was the Mahicans who were in the upper Hudson Valley and were sometimes called River Indians. The name was almost invariably spelled with an "A" in the earliest records and through the 18th century, though very rarely misspelled with an "O" as in "Mohicans" probably because of confusion with the New England Mohegans. The name for the Mahicans was also Maykans as well as Mahikanders, with other variations, if I recall correctly. I doubt there was ever actually a nation of "Mohicans," a name for which we have Cooper and one or two careless 18th-century spellers to thank. From [log in to unmask] Thu Nov 16 14:26:03 1995 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from sunytccc.edu by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA19472; Thu, 16 Nov 1995 14:26:02 -0500 Received: from TC3-MIS-Message_Server by sunytccc.edu with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 16 Nov 1995 14:30:30 -0500 Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]> X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 14:30:12 -0500 From: David Harris <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Grand Army Posts in NY -Reply content-length: 1851 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've identified 832 Grand Army of the Republic posts as having been organized within the Dept of New York betwen 1866 and 1948. They all had namesakes - local or national figures somehow linked to the Civil War - but over the years the significance of these names slipped into obscurity. The same thing is true of Amvets or VFW: on any given evening, you can stump the entire barroom at the local post by asking who it was named after. Through my own searching and the good graces of several county, town, & village historians, I have found explanations for all but about 150 of the namesakes. My longest lists of blanks are from the counties of Broome, Herkimer, Jefferson, Kings, Madison, Oneida, Schuyler, & Sullivan. These namesakes offer another view of the war's local impact - local lore about the war. They are usually local soldiers who did not survive the war or survived it very well despite young/old age, injury, or other adversity. There were many exceptions, however. Some namesakes were fathers who lost a number of sons, wealthy families who bankrolled units or relief organizations, vets of earlier wars, or ethnic spokesmen who were not necessarily NY soldiers (Colonel Koltes of 73rd PA, Illinois Colonel Friedrich Hecker). A NY City post was named after Patrick Sarsfield Gilmore, bandmaster for the 24th Massachusetts Infantry who composed "When Johnny Comes Marching Home." I'd be happy to answer questions about what I've found and I sure could use some help for the lingering "stumpers." Benedict Maryniak [log in to unmask] <<<<<<<<<<<<<<< What do you mean by "composed"? The tune (and some of the words) comes directly from "Johnny, I hardly knew you," a traditional Irish folk lyric that predates the American Civil War. David D. Harris ([log in to unmask]) Tompkins Cortland Comm. College From [log in to unmask] Fri Nov 24 09:29:44 1995 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from gpwsmtp.arch2.nara.gov by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA07384; Fri, 24 Nov 1995 09:29:42 -0500 Received: from NARA-Message_Server by gpwsmtp.arch2.nara.gov with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 24 Nov 1995 09:34:31 -0500 Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]> X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Fri, 24 Nov 1995 09:33:41 -0500 From: Claire Kluskens <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Civil War Regiments -Reply content-length: 922 Persons doing research on Union Civil War units can obtain a month-by-month, sometimes day-by-day history of a regiment and of individual companies from National Archives Microfilm Publication M594, "Compiled Records Showing Service of Military Units in Volunteer Union Organizations." These records are arranged by state, thereunder by regiment, thereunder by company. National Archives Microfilm Publications can be purchased for $23 per roll. For more information about these records and other military records, and to determine which rolls the records you are interested are on, consult "Military Service Records: A Select Catalog of National Archives Microfilm Publications." (Available for $5.00). The National Archives Publication Sales office can be reached at 1-800-234-8861. There is a similar microfilm publication for Confederate units, and it is also described in the microfilm catalog listed above. From [log in to unmask] Fri Nov 24 11:31:38 1995 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from emout04.mail.aol.com by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA07702; Fri, 24 Nov 1995 11:31:37 -0500 Received: by emout04.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id LAA09503 for [log in to unmask]; Fri, 24 Nov 1995 11:35:29 -0500 Date: Fri, 24 Nov 1995 11:35:29 -0500 From: [log in to unmask] Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: New York City History & The Encyclopedia content-length: 395 In a message dated 95-11-20 08:55:06 EST, you write: >Lockwood de Forest in particular. A recent post alluded to a NYC Municipal There is a book, published circa 1908 as I recall, call "A Walloon Family In America: Lockwood DeForest and His Forbears". I am descended from one branch of the family, although not a descendeant of Lockwood. The family has been traced to 15th century Belgium. From [log in to unmask] Sat Nov 25 10:57:49 1995 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from mail04.mail.aol.com by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA09397; Sat, 25 Nov 1995 10:57:49 -0500 Received: by mail04.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id LAA24918 for [log in to unmask]; Sat, 25 Nov 1995 11:01:42 -0500 Date: Sat, 25 Nov 1995 11:01:42 -0500 From: [log in to unmask] Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Mahicans=Mohicans/Cooper content-length: 1063 In her recent book, The Mohicans and Their Land, 1609-1730, Shirley W. dunn points out that Mohican, Mahikan, Mahiecan, Maykan, Muhheakunn, Moheakun and Mohegan are variant spellings of the same group, and the official name of their descendants, who live on a reservation near Bowler, Wisconsin, is The Stockbridge-Munsee Band of the Mohican Indians. (pg. 8) The Dutch in the 17th century usually called them Mahicans or Mahikanders. The River Indians were quite likely not Mohicans. According to historian Daniel K. Richter, the River Indians "seem to be geographically and probably politically distinct..." (See Richter, Ordeal of the Long House, 292n.) While historian Alan Taylor does not discuss Cooper's confusing the Mohegans of Connecticut with the Mohicans of New York, he does discuss the writer's work within the context of his recent book, William Cooper's Town. In it Taylor uses a unique blend of social history, biography (of the founder of Cooperstown), and literary analysis (of the son's work) to illuminate the emerging New York frontier. From [log in to unmask] Sat Nov 25 16:41:55 1995 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from mail02.mail.aol.com by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA09869; Sat, 25 Nov 1995 16:41:55 -0500 Received: by mail02.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id QAA01189 for [log in to unmask]; Sat, 25 Nov 1995 16:45:47 -0500 Date: Sat, 25 Nov 1995 16:45:47 -0500 From: [log in to unmask] Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: D Eckerle: World War I Se... content-length: 126 I don't know what "nn" means, but you might try the Family History Center in Salt Lake City, Utah. With regards, Betty Joy From [log in to unmask] Sun Nov 26 22:23:32 1995 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from eideti.com (ayrton.eideti.com) by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA11882; Sun, 26 Nov 1995 22:23:30 -0500 Received: from annex1-9.infi-net.com (annex1-9.infi-net.com [199.171.97.159]) by eideti.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id WAA28594 for <[log in to unmask]>; Sun, 26 Nov 1995 22:24:11 -0500 Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]> X-Sender: [log in to unmask] X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 26 Nov 1995 22:30:40 -0500 To: [log in to unmask] From: [log in to unmask] (Susan Walski) Subject: directions content-length: 287 hello list, Is there someone here who can give me directions on how to get to the NY State library in Albany. I will be driving up from Orange county. Thank you. Susan> [log in to unmask] http://campus.net/home/swalski/ Genealogy: The only hobby where dead people can excite you! From [log in to unmask] Mon Nov 27 01:48:10 1995 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from mail02.mail.aol.com by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA12152; Mon, 27 Nov 1995 01:48:09 -0500 Received: by mail02.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id BAA24657 for [log in to unmask]; Mon, 27 Nov 1995 01:52:02 -0500 Date: Mon, 27 Nov 1995 01:52:02 -0500 From: [log in to unmask] Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask] Cc: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: New York City History content-length: 95 How in depth is this book? How far back does it go? Are families listed by individual names? From [log in to unmask] Tue Nov 28 09:16:30 1995 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from MAIL.NYSED.GOV by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA15299; Tue, 28 Nov 1995 09:16:29 -0500 Received: from SEDDOM1-Message_Server by MAIL.NYSED.GOV with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 28 Nov 1995 09:20:03 -0500 Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]> X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Tue, 28 Nov 1995 09:22:00 -0500 From: Bill Evans <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask] Cc: [log in to unmask] Subject: reminders, unsub,etc. content-length: 374 Remember, to unsubscribe you have to command the list processor so the address is [log in to unmask] If you address it to the list what you want to happen won't happen. Also the list is NYHIST-L, not NYHIST-1. In other words that is an el, not a one. (If we had it to do over we would not have used the letter el, but it is too difficult to undo now.) Bill Evans From [log in to unmask] Mon Nov 27 20:11:24 1995 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from emout06.mail.aol.com by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA14343; Mon, 27 Nov 1995 20:11:23 -0500 Received: by emout06.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id UAA07634 for [log in to unmask]; Mon, 27 Nov 1995 20:15:11 -0500 Date: Mon, 27 Nov 1995 20:15:11 -0500 From: [log in to unmask] Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask] Subject: seeing new york content-length: 626 In Hope Cook's book Seeing New York she raises two questions. On page 128 in the chapter on the East Village she says "Cattle dealers held illegal cut-price auctions at an open market near today's Cooper's Square. The period given is the 1810's. Can anyone tell me why these auctions were illegal? And why the reference to "cut-price"? Does this imply some sort of fixed priced was set? This is certainly not what I would expect from everything else I know about our free economy. Further down the same page she refers to "earthy men who hosted bull baiting and trotting races". What was/is "bull baiting"? From [log in to unmask] Mon Nov 27 23:51:26 1995 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from emout04.mail.aol.com by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA14774; Mon, 27 Nov 1995 23:51:26 -0500 Received: by emout04.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id XAA01418 for [log in to unmask]; Mon, 27 Nov 1995 23:55:17 -0500 Date: Mon, 27 Nov 1995 23:55:17 -0500 From: [log in to unmask] Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: directions content-length: 310 HI! Take NYS thruway to exit 24, I believe, to I-787 north to the Madison Avenue Exit. Go Straight up Madison Avenue, approximately 4 blocks. The Museum will be on your left. You can't miss it. It is part of the Empire State Plaza and has a few colorful flags hanging from it. Good Luck, Helen J. Cannon From [log in to unmask] Tue Nov 28 09:32:29 1995 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from mail04.mail.aol.com by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA15518; Tue, 28 Nov 1995 09:32:27 -0500 Received: by mail04.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id JAA16451 for [log in to unmask]; Tue, 28 Nov 1995 09:36:24 -0500 Date: Tue, 28 Nov 1995 09:36:24 -0500 From: [log in to unmask] Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Montauk Indians content-length: 559 Can any of you refer me to resources concerning the history and people of the Montauk tribe? I recall that there is still some sort of small Indian reservation on the south fork of Long Island. Are those people Montauk? I seem to remember the work Shinnecock, or something like that, being associated with the reservation, but I know it isn't far from Montauk Point. I have recently found out that I'm a descendant of a Montauk Indian named Nigular Chadburn, and I'd like to learn more about these people (and open a gambling casino in the Hamptons :-) From [log in to unmask] Tue Nov 28 09:44:33 1995 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from vms1.nysed.gov by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA15686; Tue, 28 Nov 1995 09:44:32 -0500 Received: from unix2.nysed.gov ([149.10.64.24]) by vms1.nysed.gov with SMTP; Tue, 28 Nov 1995 9:48:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from dos185.nysed.gov by unix2.nysed.gov (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA18709; Tue, 28 Nov 95 09:48:24 EST Date: Tue, 28 Nov 1995 09:48:54 -0800 (PST) From: Andrew Mace <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: directions X-Sender: [log in to unmask] In-Reply-To: <[log in to unmask]> Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII content-length: 965 > Take NYS thruway to exit 24, I believe, to I-787 north to the Madison Avenue ^^ Should be exit 23. (Note: Madison Avenue exit is also US 20 [West].) > Exit. Go Straight up Madison Avenue, approximately 4 blocks. The Museum > will be on your left. You can't miss it. It is part of the Empire State > Plaza and has a few colorful flags hanging from it. > * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Andrew Mace e-mail: [log in to unmask] * * New York State Library phone: (518) 474-8541 (voice) * * 10D36 CEC, Albany, NY 12230 (518) 486-2152 (fax) * * * * "I was wonderin' why we live so much longer'n our imaginations!" * * -- Broom Hilda * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * From [log in to unmask] Tue Nov 28 10:45:10 1995 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from SIVM.SI.EDU by unix10 (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA15983; Tue, 28 Nov 1995 10:45:10 -0500 Message-Id: <9511281545.AA15983@unix10> Received: from SIVM.SI.EDU by SIVM.SI.EDU (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 0751; Tue, 28 Nov 95 10:46:43 EST Received: from SIVM (NJE origin LIBEM077@SIVM) by SIVM.SI.EDU (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 6868; Tue, 28 Nov 1995 10:46:40 -0500 Comments: Converted from OV/VM to RFC822 format by PUMP V2.2X Date: Tue, 28 Nov 95 10:46:35 EST From: "Hollis L. Gentry" <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Montauk Indians To: <[log in to unmask]> content-length: 1728 *** Resending note of 11/28/95 09:45 The Montauks and Shinnecocks are two different tribes. The Montauks were said to be the tutelatory tribe of the Long Island Indians in the 18th- 19th centuries. The Shinnecocks still have a reservation, the Montauks don't. The two tribes intermarried to some extent, as with other Long Island tribes. Several members of that tribe left NY in @1837 and joined with tribes from Connecticut, Rhode Island and NY, to form what are now known as the Brotherton Indians, of Wisconsin. I would suggest that you check a publication of the Suffolk County Archaeological Association (P.O. Drawer AR, Stony Brook, NY 11790) for a copy of: The History and Archaeology of the Montauk Indians. Additionally, if you're ever in Washington, the Smithsonian's Anthropology Archives has some source material. And I believe the Smithsonian's Heye Center in NYC has some artifacts which were collected in or about the 1940's. The Montauks don's have BIA recognized status, and so your dreams about the casino will have to be tabled until you can get the Pequots to help you!;)