Is anyone on this list familiar with a 4 volume set of books entitled The
Documentary History of the State
of New York by E.B. O'Callaghan published by Weed, Parsons & Co. , Albany,
1850? It appears to be
a compilation of primary source material beginning (I believe) in the
1600's. If you know of the books,
do you know if this is mostly information that can be elsewhere obtained (in
more recent publications).
My main question is, is it a worthwhile purchase?
Nancy McNicol
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Thank you Densmore for the information. As a collector of old maps I see M.E.
churches all over western NY and always wondered what became of them. Thanks
again.
Douglas J Morgan
Livingston County Historical Society
Densmore wrote:
> On Mon, 22 Mar 1999, Emily Leonard wrote:
>
> > >>Does anyone know the differences among Methodist, Methodist Episcopal,
> > >>Episcopal, and Protestant Episcopal Churches?
>
> A bit out of my usual area, but as I understand it, Methodist is the
> generic term that covers everything.
>
> The United Methodist Church (formed 1968) incorporates the old Methodist
> Episcopal Church and other formerly separate groups of Methodists and
> Brethren. There are sizeable groups of Methodists outside of the United
> Methodist Church including black churches (African Methodist Episcopal and
> others). Several of the splits in the Methodist Church were occasioned by
> slavery (notably the Wesleyan Methodists in NYS in the 1840s-- now the
> Wesleyan Church).
>
> Episcopal refers to a church government system with bishops-- something
> share by the United Methodists and the Episcopalian churches (Methodism
> did begin as a reform movement within the Anglican church). Some of the
> splits in American Methodist churches came over whether or not bishops
> were a good thing.
>
> The Protestant Episcopal Church is the largest of the Episcopalian
> (derived from the Anglican church) denominations in the US. The other
> Anglican/Episcopalian churches in the US are pretty small.
>
> Christopher Densmore
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It's a great purchase. There is also O'Callaghan's Documents series, =
French, EnglishDutch etc documents collected in 13 volumes around the same =
time. Not easy to find (or fund) a complete set of either in good =
condition.
>>> "Nancy E. McNicol" <[log in to unmask]> 03/23 10:34 PM >>>
Is anyone on this list familiar with a 4 volume set of books entitled The
Documentary History of the State
of New York by E.B. O'Callaghan published by Weed, Parsons & Co. , Albany,
1850? It appears to be
a compilation of primary source material beginning (I believe) in the
1600's. If you know of the books,
do you know if this is mostly information that can be elsewhere obtained =
(in
more recent publications).
My main question is, is it a worthwhile purchase?
Nancy McNicol
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Worthwhile is a subjective judgement. Depends on what these documents
mean to you. I think that Ft. Ticonderoga has this same information on
compact disc which you can purchase.
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This reply may be quite late, but I've just come across information that
Pulteney agent Charles Williamson had a lease for lands at Balgray,
Scotland, from a Lord Hopetoun. Williamson relinquished the lands in 1793,
but it seems quite possible the Hopeton in Yates County was named for
Williamson's landlord. Williamson was actively promoting the village.
Sometimes we answer our own questions (not the Royal "we").
David
>>
>>
>> >Dear list members,
>> >
>> >A non-cyber reader of my first article on Charles Williamson wondered if
>> >the Hopetown, New York, (near Dresden) was named after Hopetoun,
>Scotland,
>> >where Williamson's family originated. Apparently Hopetown was laid out
>in
>> >the same way some Williamson towns were.
>> >
>> >Can someone on the list provide a few details on Hopetown. I'm guessing
>> >that if it is connected to the Scotland Hopetoun it's not through
>> >Williamson, but some other settler. Or perhaps it was just early
>boosterism
>> >combined with wishful thinking.
>> >
>> >Any comments?
>> >
>> >David Minor
>> >
>> >David Minor
>> >Eagles Byte Historical Research
>> >Rochester, New York
>> >716 264-0423
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>> >
>> >http://home.eznet.net/~dminor
>> >
David Minor
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includes NYNY, a series of timelines covering New York City and State, from
approximately 450,000,000 BC to 1990 AD.
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Yes indeed. It is a valuable and sometimes fascinating source of
(reprinted) primary materials. Very miscellaneous, though. The fourth
volume was printed in 1851 by Charles Van Benthuysen, and is sometimes sold
separately from the other volumes. I bought a set a few years ago (all four
volumes) for $82.00, which I thought was a reasonable price and have not
regretted. The set includes a great many foldout maps and plans, so you
should check that they have not been removed.
Other historians with greater involvement in early New York history will
probably have more detailed and better comments.
Hugh C. MacDougall
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James Fenimore Cooper Society
8 Lake Street, Cooperstown, NY 13326-1016
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> From: Nancy E. McNicol <[log in to unmask]>
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> Subject: 4 Volume NYS History set
> Date: Tuesday, March 23, 1999 10:34 PM
>
> Is anyone on this list familiar with a 4 volume set of books entitled
The
> Documentary History of the State
> of New York by E.B. O'Callaghan published by Weed, Parsons & Co. ,
Albany,
> 1850? It appears to be
> a compilation of primary source material beginning (I believe) in the
> 1600's. If you know of the books,
> do you know if this is mostly information that can be elsewhere obtained
(in
> more recent publications).
> My main question is, is it a worthwhile purchase?
>
> Nancy McNicol
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Yes!
Tom
Nancy E. McNicol wrote:
> Is anyone on this list familiar with a 4 volume set of books entitled The
> Documentary History of the State
> of New York by E.B. O'Callaghan published by Weed, Parsons & Co. , Albany,
> 1850? It appears to be
> a compilation of primary source material beginning (I believe) in the
> 1600's. If you know of the books,
> do you know if this is mostly information that can be elsewhere obtained (in
> more recent publications).
> My main question is, is it a worthwhile purchase?
>
> Nancy McNicol
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Nancy McNicol wrote:
"Is anyone on this list familiar with a 4 volume set of books entitled The
Documentary History of the State of New York by E.B. O'Callaghan published
by Weed, Parsons & Co. , Albany, 1850? It appears to be a compilation of
primary source material beginning (I believe) in the 1600's. If you know
of the books, do you know if this is mostly information that can be
elsewhere obtained (in more recent publications). My main question is, is
it a worthwhile purchase?"
The 4 volume set of O'Callaghan's DHNY is a wonderful source and can be
found in many older and larger libraries, but has its severe plusses and
minuses. Many of the documents he used are transcribed in the his massive
_Documents Relative to the Colonial History of the State of New York_ (aka
NYCD), and despite the materials he had at hand, it should be considered as
a fledgling history that later historians formulated better ideas upon. It
has some grand history of its own and is a must for any serious scholar
(thus I shelled out $250 for my intact set - many have had the maps
removed, so be careful!).
The NYCD series (13 or so volumes) are equally wonderful as near-primary
sources for documents that were lost in the 1911 Capitol fire or which are
buried in the archives of the British Public Record Office, or in obscure
collections in France, the Netherlands, etc. Many problems are seen in the
NYCD transcripts (comparison with Leder's _Livingston Indian Records_ will
show this) and it must always be used with caution. Despite its flaws it
remains one of the greatest sources for Colonial history that will be
unparalleled for years to come.
A similar project that transcribes documents and publishes additional
colonial manuscripts is the wonderful and on-going New Netherlands Project
(http://www.nnp.org/).
By the way, I have been meaning to ask ... I have volumes 1-11 of the NYCD
- does any one have an idea where I can get the rest of the set?????? (is
ti just Vol.s 12 & 13, or where there more?)
And, while I am on-line, let me announce that I have finally landed a
really nice JOB with the Library of Virginia's Digital Library Program!
(http://www.vsla.edu/lva/digital.html) I volunteered for a while with the
Library's _Dictionary of Virginia Biography_ project and that very quickly
led to an offer for a part-time (still 40 hrs and well paid) spot with DLP.
I just started this week, but I think I can get used to the brand new
spacious building, top of the line computers and support equipment, as well
as many NY sources to keep me happy when I get tired of working with the
usual glass plate negatives and WPA history inventory files! (sorry to
make my friends at the NYSL, M, & A jealous!)
Best to all up north!
Dan W.
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The Anglican Church in the colonies became the Protestant Episcopal Church
after the Revolution. In recent years, the "Protestant" was dropped, and
the name became simply "The Episcopal Church".
Sallie Sypher
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I have this four volume set and think it is well worth purchasing. I would
imagine at least some of the material is available elsewhere, but it is a
very nice and useful compilation.
The four volumes are full of extremely interesting and detailed engraved
maps and views (which are difficult to find in one place elsewhere) as well
as interesting accounts of travels across the state and very descriptive
letters.
I think I paid $200 for my set two years ago. It has rather worn bindings,
but the interior is in fine condition. The volumes have been very useful,
and provided many hours of enjoyment.
Feel free to contact me if you would like additional information.
Amy Facca
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I own a copy. It is quite tattered, but it has a vast amount of
information and good indexes. Buy it if you can. I think a lot of the
stuff in it is also in O'Callaghan's mult-volume DOCUMENTS RELATIVE TO THE
COLONIAL HISTORY OF THE STATE OF NEW YORK, but the four volume DOCUMENTARY
HISTORY contains other material. For example, there is a whole slew of
documents dealing with Leisler's Rebellion in one volume. Also another
batch dealing with Albany, etc. It is rare set; I do not think it has been
reprinted; if you can get it, buy it if you are at all a student of
colonial New York history.
Milton Klein, University of Tennessee. Knoxville.
10:34 PM 3/23/99 -0500, you wrote:
> Is anyone on this list familiar with a 4 volume set of books entitled The
>Documentary History of the State
>of New York by E.B. O'Callaghan published by Weed, Parsons & Co. , Albany,
>1850? It appears to be
>a compilation of primary source material beginning (I believe) in the
>1600's. If you know of the books,
>do you know if this is mostly information that can be elsewhere obtained (in
>more recent publications).
>My main question is, is it a worthwhile purchase?
>
>Nancy McNicol
Milton M. Klein | phone: (423) 974-2806
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