In a message dated 98-06-08 09:43:53 EDT, you write: << While I reside in New York state, I am only about an hour from Montreal and the best bagels in North America (sorry NYC) >> Hah! You cant just lay a bagle like that in our laps without supporting evidence - whaddaya mean bagles better than NYC ? Les hommes qui parle en francais with a bagle to me hold no sway with croisante or baguette they're the best you can get but for boiled rolls with holes ? - there's no way! Does anyone have a source for tracing the native american tribes that lived in Brooklyn and Rockaway NY ? Thank you Michael Pollack