Anna Mae Maday wrote: It is good to see you on the Internet. It has been about 10 years since you helped me and sent that very nice card showing the entrance to the Hoyt Library. > > ********************************************************************** > Note: Saginaw has had Hoyt street, Hoyt School, and several subdivisions > with the name "Hoyt" attached, such as Hoyt's Northern Addition. > > When Jesse Hoyt died in 1882 he left a wife and one daughter which > they said was an invalid. The daughter contested the will, and that > story is an interesting one as well. We have here at the Hoyt Library > several volumes of the "Hoyt Will Case" from New York's Surrogate Court. > Irene Hoyt visited East Saginaw, and said that if she won her case > she would donate even more money to the library. She claimed her > uncles were cheating her out of her inheritance, had put her in a > sanitarium, and wouldn't let her attend her father's funeral. > >From newspaper accounts from the New York Times, they made it sound > as if she had a drinking problem.I think I remember hearing of the "Jenks Case" similar to this. > A cable station (I forget which) is doing a documentary on Alexis > DeTocqueville, and visiting the sites he visited to see what has > happened to them, so of course they'll be coming to Saginaw. It may be C-Span; I think they'll soon have a DeTocqueville special. thanks for the story, Arthur Hoyt Prutzman Dallas, Pa. From [log in to unmask] Mon Mar 31 23:08:26 1997 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from mail1.eznet.net by unix10 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id XAA05099; Mon, 31 Mar 1997 23:08:25 -0500 Received: from [207.50.130.24] (dialup14.roc-tc1.eznet.net [207.50.130.24]) by mail1.eznet.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA16282; Mon, 31 Mar 1997 23:05:20 -0500 X-Sender: [log in to unmask] (Unverified) Message-Id: <v03007800af6639258552@[207.50.130.66]> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/enriched; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Mon, 31 Mar 1997 23:07:35 -0500 To: [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask] From: David Minor <[log in to unmask]> Subject: NYNY 1833-1836 content-length: 13922 <bold><fontfamily><param>Geneva</param>1833</fontfamily></bold><fontfamily><= param>Geneva</param> Jan 1 =09 The first issue of <italic>Knickerbocker Magazine</italic> is published, in New York City. =46eb 5 =09 The state confirms a boundary surveyed by its agents Benjamin F. Butler, Peter A. Gray and Henry Seymour, and New Jersey agents Lucius K. C. Elmer, Theodore Freylinghuysen, and James Parker, as the states' common border. =46eb 26 =09 New Jersey confirms its new boundary with New York. May =09 Journeymen carpenters go on strike in New York City, win a wage increase after they're out for a month. Jul 1 =09 The Connecticut legislature approves the merger of the New York and Stonington Railroad with the New York, Providence and Boston Railroad, to be called by the latter name. Aug 1 =09 Sailors' Snug Harbor opens, on Staten Island. ** A strike of journeymen shoemakers at Geneva is settled, with the shoemakers gaining wage increases. Aug 14 =09 Stock subscriptions of $500,000 are solicited for New York State's Rochester & Tonawanda Railroad Company. ** The General Trades Union (GTU) organizes in New York City, linking all city trade societies. Sep 3 =09 The New York <italic>Sun</italic>, the first penny newspaper, begins publication, under editor Benjamin Henry Day. Nov 15 =09 New York State lawyer Benjamin Franklin Butler becomes U. S. Attorney General. City The all-black Phoenix Society institutes a library and a job bank. =20 ** Construction of fortifications is begun on Throgg's Neck overlooking Long Island Sound. ** Gideon Lee is elected mayor. =20 ** Irish actor Tyrone Power (great grandfather of the film actor) makes his New York City debut. ** The first clipper ship, the <italic>Ann McKim, </italic>is built in Baltimore, to carry immigrants from New York to San Francisco. State Warren Huff of Qu=E9bec, Canada, settles the village of Alma.** The first Young Men's Association is founded in Albany. ** An extension to Buffalo's South Pier is made and the "Chinaman" Lighthouse is erected on it. ** The Chemung Canal is completed. ** =20 Mary Jemison, White Woman of the Genesee, dies, in her early ninties. =20 ** Geneva lawyer Charles Butler visits the Toledo and Chicago areas, makes real estate investments there. ** The State Canal Commission hires John B. Jervis to supervise the construction of the Chenango Canal. Rochester Church sextons are fined if they do not ring church bells during fires. ** The Rochester Canal & Railway Company blocks a scheme to build a rival rail line between Rochester and Charlotte, along the west side of the Genesee River. <bold>1834</bold> January<bold> </bold>=09 =46ire destroys business buildings on Rochester's Main Street Bridge. April =09 Davy Crockett begins a political tour of Baltimore, Philadelphia, New York City, and Boston. Apr 18 =09 The Brooklyn & Jamaica Railroad is completed. The Long Island Railroad (LIRR) buys it and begins laying rails to the east of the line. May 6 =09 James Gordon Bennett begins publishing the New York <italic>Tribune</italic>.=20 May 12 =09 The new building of the Albany Female Academy is completed. June =09 James Fenimore Cooper's <italic>A Letter to His Countrymen</italic> is published, urging Americans to not defer to foreign opinion. He revisits Cooperstown after a seventeen-year absence. Jun 4 =09 Missionary Dr. Peter Parker sails for China aboard New York merchant David Olyphant's <italic>Morrison</italic>. Jun 28 =09 An engine explodes on New York City's Harlem Railroad shortly after its first run. ** Congress approves the new New Jersey-New York State border. Jul 1 =09 New York City firemen Eugene Underhill and Frederick A. Ward are killed when a wall falls on them while they're fighting a fire at Haydock's drug store on Pearl Street. Jul 4 =09 New York City's annual Convention of People of Color sets July 4th as a day of prayer and contemplation of the condition of blacks. ** =20 Rioters break up a meeting of the Chatham Street Chapel in New York City because of blacks in the audience. Jul 12 =09 Anti-abolition riots in New York City end after eight days. October =09 James Fenimore Cooper purchases the family seat at Otsego. December=09 James Fenimore Cooper begins writing a series of articles on the U. S. and Europe for the New York <italic>Evening Post</italic>, under the pen name A. B. C. City Steam railroad carriages are introduced on the new New York and Harlem Railroad, but only above 14th Street. ** Author James Fenimore Cooper moves his family to a townhouse at 4 St. Marks Place. ** =20 New Jersey agrees to make its Bedloe's Island part of New York. ** =20 Jacksonian Democrat Cornelius Van Wyck Lawrence becomes the city's first directly elected mayor, defeating Whig writer Gulian C. Verplanck. ** Abolitionist Rev. Samuel Hansen Cox, pastor of the =46irst Presbyterian Church of Brooklyn, has his church and home ransacked because of his views. ** The National Trades Union is organized by the General Trades Union. ** An English book released, setting the rules for the game of Rounders, and the same rules for Base Ball and Goal Ball. State Brooklyn is incorporated as a city. ** Binghamton is incorporated as a village. ** The federal government complete two piers at the mouth of the Genesee River, extending 2,876 feet into Lake Ontario, beyond the sand bars. ** Carpenter-sculptor Erastus Dow Palmer moves to Dunkirk. ** Albany's Lancasterian School is superseded by the state public school system. ** A survey is authorized for a Genesee Valley Canal. ** The village of Le Roy is incorporated. ** The Cohoes Company completes most of its hydraulic canals. ** Geneva lawyer Charles Butler moves to New York City. ** Young William Nowlin's family arrives in the Detroit area, having traveled from New York's Putnam County. Buffalo - Weekly steamboat service between Buffalo and Chicago is inaugurated. ** 80,000 people leave Buffalo, headed for the West. Rochester The city is incorporated . Carthage landing is annexed. The new city covers 7.148 square miles. ** The Habitual Drinkers List, a compulsory register of local drunks, is published. Syracuse The New York State Upstate Medical Center is built. ** Village trustees offer Captain Oliver Teall a 35 year franchise to supply water. He again does nothing. <bold>1835</bold> Mar 12 =09 Albany's Young Men's Assocxiation is incorporated. May 6 =09 James Gordon Bennett founds the New York <italic>Herald</italic>, a penny newspaper. May 12 =09 A mob of 300 anti-Rent farmers descends on Batavia's Holland Land Office. The sheriff and 120 men arrest the leaders. Aug 21 =09 Sir John Herschel's moon hoax begins, published in the New York <italic>Sun</italic>.=20 Oct 21 =09 An Abolitionist meeting in Utica is involuntarily dispersed. Oct 29 =09 During a Tammany Hall meeting in New York City the lights are put out by opponents of the radical Jacksonian Democrats faction, which responds by lighting candles and locofoco friction matches, earning the sobriquet locofocos. Dec 16 =09 The Anti-Masonic Party meets at Harrisburg, Pennsylvania, and nominates William Henry Harrison for President of the U. S. and New York's =46rancis Granger for Vice-President. ** A fire breaks out in lower Manhattan in the vicinity of Hanover Square, in sub-zero weather, when fire hydrants are frozen. Dec 18 =09 The New York City fire is finally put out. 654 buildings are destroyed; the damage is estimated at $20,000,000. City The city's jurisdiction over underwater lands is extended. ** =20 Sculptor Thomas Crawford moves to Rome to study under Danish sculptor Bertel Thorvaldson. State Brockport's Baptist Institute opens. ** One of the five steamboats regularly stopping at the Genesee River skips its visits. =20 ** Work begins at Piermont on a railroad to link the Hudson River to Dunkirk, passing through the Southern Tier. ** Part of the town of West Almond is split off from Alfred. ** Frederick C. Mills, newly-elected chief engineer of the Genesee Valley Canal, presents a report based on last year's survey. ** Domestic School founders William and Caroline Kirkland leave Geneva for Detroit, Michigan, where William becomes head of the Detroit Female Seminary. ** Ship's carpenter Francis C. Pollay is born in Pulteney. ** Civil War officer John Henry Martindale graduates from West Point. ** John Johnston of Geneva introduces agricultural tile drainage to the U. S. =20 ** Farmer Peter Hill comes to Wayne County. His son Edmund, a future lawyer, is born in Junius, Seneca County. ** Erastus Corning, Thomas W. Olcott and other investors found the Corning Company, to develop mineral deposits at Blossburg. ** High anti-land office feeling breaks out in Chautauqua County's Mayville, and local farmers burn the office there. ** Receiving a request for an autograph by England's Princess Victoria, JamesFenimore Cooper sends her a manuscript of <italic>The Minikins</italic>. He and his family sped the summer in Cooperstown. Rochester Novelist Nathaniel Hawthorne visits the city. ** A winter flood damages the Main Street Bridge and buildings on it. ** The Rochester common council changes Court Street to Monroe Avenue, named for the former U. S. president. <bold>1836</bold> =46ebruary=09 New York City tailors go out on strike. When the National Guard is called out and the strikers are denied the right to oraginize, 30,000 protestors gather and call for a new political party. April =09 New York's Auburn & Rochester Railroad is chartered, to link Canandaigua and Geneva to Rochester.=20 Apr 10 =09 Richard P. Robinson murders famed New York prostitute Helen Jewett. Because of her profession few complain when a bribed jury acquits Robinson and he goes free. Apr 15 =09 The New York State legislature passes an act calling for a geological survey of the state, to be divided among four teams. Apr 20 =09 A Canadian company is incorporated to build a suspension bridge over the Niagara River. May<bold> =09 </bold>James Fenimore Cooper and his family move from New York City to Cooperstown. May 31 =09 New York City's Astor Hotel, built by John Jacob Astor, opens its doors. Jun 7 =09 New York City businessman and art patron Luman Reed dies. August =09 Batavia newspaper owner Frederick Follett sell his <italic>Spirit of the Times</italic>, to go to fight along with the Texas revolutionaries. He will not arrive in time. Aug 1 =09 James Dickson, Montezuma II, Liberator of All Indians, departs with his army from Buffalo to liberate New Mexico and California. Aug 13 =09 A climbing party including chemistry professor Ebenezer Emmons and geologist William G. Redfield, attempting to scale the yet-unnamed Mount Marcy, in the Adirondacks, leaves Cedar Point. =20 Aug 14 =09 The Emmons-Redfield party arrives at the Clear Pond home of sawmill innovator Israel Johnson. Aug 15 =09 The climbing party, lead by Adirondack guides John Cheney and Harvey Holt, leaves Clear Pond and heads for Mount Marcy. Aug 17 =09 Bad weather forces the climbers to abandon the Marcy climb. Aug 25 =09 Author-poet Francis Bret Harte is born in Albany. Sep 14 =09 =46ormer U. S. Vice-President Aaron Burr 80, dies in Port Richmond. City The Merchants' Exchange is built. ** Winter snows pile up in some streets to a height of six or seven feet. ** A company is formed to build a canal at 106th Street in northern Manhattan for a marble quarry, but the project's abandoned when the stone turns out to be inferior. ** Nathaniel Currier founds a lithography business. =20 ** The New York Women's Ant-Slavery Society bars blacks from membership. =20 State The railroad reaches the western part of the state. ** The <italic>Allegany</italic> <italic>Republican and Internal Improvement Advocate </italic>becomes the <italic>Angelica Republican and Allegany Whig</italic>, but is soon bought by William Pitt Angell, who changes it to the <italic>Angelica Reporter and Allegany Republican</italic>. Samuel C. Wilson will later run it as the <italic>Angelica Reporter</italic> ** Orville L. Holley, editor of the <italic>Western Repository and Genesee Advertiser</italic> absorbs the Canandaigua <italic>Freeman</italic>. ** Cohoes' Harmony Manufacturing begins production. ** Farmers in the western part of the state riot against the policies of the Holland Land Company. **=20 A Greek Revival mansion is built at 600 South Main Street in Geneva.=20 ** The first grain shipment from Chicago reaches Buffalo to be shipped down the Erie Canal. ** John Henry Martindale resigns his Army commission when he is unable to get into the Corps of Engineers. He will become a lawyer in Genesee County. ** Little Yankee Hill's song <italic>Corn Cobs Twist Your Hair</italic> is published. ** New Jersey's Morris Canal is extended to the Hudson River. Rochester =46ront Street is moved to the west. ** Only three of the=20 steamboats regularly stopping at the Genesee River visit this season. 398 ships are using the Port of Rochester facilities. Imports are valued at $235,701, according to a brochure issued by the recently-opened Tonawanda Railroad. ** Mount Hope Cemetery is founded. ** Dr. Augustus H. Strong is born. ** The city annexes the William Pitkin farm, increasing its own size to 7.321 square miles.</fontfamily> David Minor Eagles Byte Historical Research Rochester, New York 716 264-0423 http://home.eznet.net/~dminor From [log in to unmask] Wed Apr 2 22:32:32 1997 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from light.lightlink.com by unix10 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id WAA09981; Wed, 2 Apr 1997 22:32:30 -0500 Received: from localhost (dclover@localhost) by light.lightlink.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id WAA22844 for <[log in to unmask]>; Wed, 2 Apr 1997 22:32:35 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 22:32:35 -0500 (EST) From: Deborah Clover <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Folklore & Vernacular Architecture Conference Message-ID: <[log in to unmask]> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII content-length: 2153 The Middle Atlantic Folklife Association (MAFA) announces its annual meeting, to be held in Ithaca, NY on May 2-3, 1997. This year's meeting focuses on The Finnish Sauna: Folklore and Vernacular Architecture and includes a reception, panel presentations, a tour, and a dinner/dance. The event begins Friday evening with a reception in the historic Clinton House in downtown Ithaca. Saturday morning panels will include professionals and community scholars representing a diversity of perspectives including folklore, history, historic preservation, construction and personal experience. The first panel, "The Built Environment: Folklore and Vernacular Architecture" discusses general considerations, while the second panel "Perspectives on Finnish Culture and History" will take a closer look at the Finnish experience in the Southern Finger Lakes region of New York State. A guided tour on Saturday afternoon will take participants through the rich Finnish cultural landscape and built environment in the area and will stop at several saunas, a typical Finnish-American farmstead, the first Finnish-American church and cemetery in the area, and other sites important to the Finns. We'll end with an evening of Finnish food, music and dancing at the Newfield Fire Hall, site of the annual local Finn Fest. The MAFA annual business meeting will be held during the lunch break on Saturday. MAFA is a not-for-profit professional organization of folklorists, educators, artists and community leaders interested in folklife research and presentation. The organization serves the states of Delaware, Maryland, New Jersey, New York, Pennsylvania, Virginia, West Virginia, and the District of Columbia. Registration for the conference is $50 and includes all events as well as a box-lunch on Saturday. This year's meeting is being co-sponsored by the New York Folklore Society and the Roberson Museum and Science Center. The Finger Lakes Finns are helping organize the dinner/dance. More information may be obtained by calling the NYFS office at (607) 273-9137 or emailing [log in to unmask] Deborah Clover Conference Coordinator New York Folklore Society From [log in to unmask] Fri Apr 4 10:34:52 1997 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from conciliator.acsu.buffalo.edu by unix10 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id KAA15374; Fri, 4 Apr 1997 10:34:51 -0500 Received: (qmail 29473 invoked by uid 23037); 4 Apr 1997 15:35:02 -0000 Date: Fri, 4 Apr 1997 10:35:01 -0500 (EST) From: Densmore <[log in to unmask]> To: Archives & Archivists <[log in to unmask]>, [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask], Christopher Densmore <[log in to unmask]>, [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask], NYHIST-L <[log in to unmask]> Subject: LAKE ONTARIO ARCHIVES CONFERENCE, JUNE 13-14, FREDONIA NEW YORK In-Reply-To: <[log in to unmask]> Message-ID: <[log in to unmask]> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII content-length: 1344 The Lake Ontario Archives Conference will hold its annual meeting on June 13-14, at the State University of New York at Fredonia. An interesting program is planned, including sessions on The Role of the State Archives in Preserving the Historical Record; the New York State Historical Records Advisory Board Strategic Planning Project; the use of interns, volunteers and student workers in archives; folklore and archives; archives and digital photography; Encoded Archival Description [EAD] and SGML [Standard Generalized Markup Language]; a Documentation Research Roundtable; and poster sessions on topics ranging from shared research facilities, to Iroquois records, to publishing for the small institution. The annual banquet will be held at the Lily Dale Assembly, a Spiritualist community founded in 1879, and features a talk on the history of Lily Dale. All are invited to attend. Programs are being mailed soon. If you want to be sure to receive a program, write to Jack T. Ericson, LOAC, c/o Special Collections, Reed Library, SUNY Fredonia, Fredonia, NY 14063, or send e-mail to [log in to unmask] or to [log in to unmask] ~ Christopher Densmore University Archives University at Buffalo 420 Capen Hall Box 602200 Buffalo, New York 14260-2200 Voice: 716-645-2916 Fax: 716-645-3714 E-Mail: [log in to unmask] From [log in to unmask] Fri Apr 4 19:19:48 1997 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from pppmail.appliedtheory.com by unix10 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id TAA16339; Fri, 4 Apr 1997 19:19:47 -0500 Received: from behavior by pppmail.appliedtheory.com (8.6.12/3.1.090690-Applied Theory Communications) id SAA01272; Fri, 4 Apr 1997 18:41:56 -0500 Message-ID: <[log in to unmask]> Date: Fri, 04 Apr 1997 19:43:44 -0500 From: "Robert V. Shear" <[log in to unmask]> Reply-To: [log in to unmask] Organization: NY History Net (http://www.NYHistory.com) X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: NYHIST-L <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Harriet Tubman / Temperance Websites Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit content-length: 467 TUBMAN I'm looking for Harriet Tubman web resources for a website being developed for the Harriet Tubman Home in Auburn. Etexts, images, good links, and contact are all needed. I'd appreciate any help on this. TEMPERANCE Also, April is Alcohol(ism) Awareness Month, so I'd like to Feature a website that addressed the Temperance Movement as the monthly featured site at http://www.NYHistory.com/featured.htm. I'd appreciate any suggestions. THANKS, Bob Shear From [log in to unmask] Sat Apr 5 23:56:47 1997 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from downtown.inu.net by unix10 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id XAA18952; Sat, 5 Apr 1997 23:56:45 -0500 Received: from [208.129.164.47] by downtown.inu.net (SMTPD32-3.04) id ACCBD0242; Sat, 05 Apr 1997 22:55:39 -0600 Message-ID: <[log in to unmask]> Date: Sat, 05 Apr 1997 18:51:04 -0800 From: Craig Bond <[log in to unmask]> Organization: East Texas Area Council, BSA X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01KIT (Win16; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Roadside historical markers Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit content-length: 742 I am looking for background information on the roadside historical markers in New York State, and eventually for the documentation for a particular sign. I have not seen the sign myself; my brother tells me a sign is there and has promised to go by and get all of the information from it. It is in front of a house which our family legend has it was a station on the Underground Railroad. Questions: 1) What agency or agencies erect such signs? I've visited one website that claims to list all such signs but it does not. 2) Do any of these agencies have websites? If not, where would I find the addresses to write to them? 3) Is there a general NYS government site? Thank you for your assistance. Craig Bond Lufkin, TX From [log in to unmask] Mon Apr 7 10:10:39 1997 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from MAIL.NYSED.GOV by unix10 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id KAA21172; Mon, 7 Apr 1997 10:10:38 -0400 Received: from DOMAIN1-Message_Server by MAIL.NYSED.GOV with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 07 Apr 1997 10:11:04 -0400 Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]> X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Mon, 07 Apr 1997 10:09:55 -0400 From: Phil Lord <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask] Subject: Roadside historical markers -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline content-length: 1136 The historic marker program was begun in 1926, and state funding ran until 1939. Thereafter private funds were used to erect markers, often with minimal quality control by the State, and sometimes without any recording of text and location. However, there is an inventory of the approximately 3,000 signs put up with state funding. While we try to update that, we do provide information on existing, or past, state markers, and we have the original application files as well. These files often give clues as to the origin of the text and the reason why the sign was placed as it was. If you send me the particular marker reference [County, Town and text] I will try and find what I can in the files. The program remains part of the services of the State Education Department, and is managed by the Historical Survey of the NYS Museum. While the Education Department has a website, the State Museum does not yet have one running. However, access to information may be had from me, Philip Lord, Jr., Acting Chief, Historical Survey, Room CEC 3097, Empire State Plaza, Albany, NY 12230, or at [log in to unmask], or at 518 496-2037. From [log in to unmask] Mon Apr 7 11:46:45 1997 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from MAIL.NYSED.GOV by unix10 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id LAA21761; Mon, 7 Apr 1997 11:46:44 -0400 Received: from DOMAIN1-Message_Server by MAIL.NYSED.GOV with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 07 Apr 1997 11:47:23 -0400 Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]> X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Mon, 07 Apr 1997 11:46:23 -0400 From: Stefan Bielinski <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Conference on New York State History Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline content-length: 409 Bill Evans: Please post the following update for the conference. CONFERENCE ON NEW YORK STATE HISTORY The complete 1997 program for the June 5-7 meeting in Saratoga Springs is now available on the "NY History Net" website at http://www.nyhistory.com/histconf.htm. Printed flyers will be available next week. Contact: Stefan Bielinski 3093 Cultural Education Center Albany, NY 12230 (518) 474-6917. From [log in to unmask] Mon Apr 7 12:46:22 1997 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from pppmail.appliedtheory.com by unix10 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id MAA21915; Mon, 7 Apr 1997 12:46:21 -0400 Received: from SBH.nyser.net by pppmail.appliedtheory.com (8.6.12/3.1.090690-Applied Theory Communications) id MAA24830; Mon, 7 Apr 1997 12:50:31 -0400 Message-ID: <[log in to unmask]> Date: Mon, 07 Apr 1997 12:44:49 -0400 From: "Robert V. Shear" <[log in to unmask]> Reply-To: [log in to unmask] Organization: Syracuse Behavioral Healthcare (http://www.SBH.org) X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: Roadside historical markers -Reply References: <[log in to unmask]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit content-length: 177 Phil Lord wrote: > > However, there is an inventory of the approximately 3,000 signs put up > with state funding. Is this listing on the web? Can we have a copy? Bob Shear From [log in to unmask] Mon Apr 7 13:22:05 1997 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from emout19.mail.aol.com by unix10 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id NAA21967; Mon, 7 Apr 1997 13:22:04 -0400 From: [log in to unmask] Received: (from root@localhost) by emout19.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id NAA28313 for [log in to unmask]; Mon, 7 Apr 1997 13:22:16 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 7 Apr 1997 13:22:16 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: Roadside historical markers -Reply content-length: 251 My favorite is in Rexford, Town of Clifton Park, Saratoga County, along River Road, The sign as you drive eastbound states: Mohawk Riv- er on Right I love it for the hyphenation and for noting the obvious -- there is no body of water on the left. From [log in to unmask] Tue Apr 8 19:08:17 1997 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from pppmail.appliedtheory.com by unix10 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id TAA00768; Tue, 8 Apr 1997 19:08:15 -0400 Received: from behavior by pppmail.appliedtheory.com (8.6.12/3.1.090690-Applied Theory Communications) id TAA26582; Tue, 8 Apr 1997 19:12:27 -0400 Message-ID: <[log in to unmask]> Date: Wed, 09 Apr 1997 06:49:19 -0400 From: "Robert V. Shear" <[log in to unmask]> Reply-To: [log in to unmask] Organization: NY History Net (http://www.NYHistory.com) X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Temperance on the Web Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit content-length: 251 So far the featured site for April (Alcoholism Awareness Month) at http://NYHistory.com/featured.htm is the Alcohol and Temperance History Group at Ohio State University. Suggestions fore a NYS-oriented Temperance site would be welcome. Bob Shear From [log in to unmask] Tue Apr 8 20:24:24 1997 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from dfw-ix14.ix.netcom.com by unix10 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id UAA00874; Tue, 8 Apr 1997 20:24:22 -0400 Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix14.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id TAA11798 for <[log in to unmask]>; Tue, 8 Apr 1997 19:24:39 -0500 (CDT) Received: from alb-ny9-17.ix.netcom.com(204.32.163.209) by dfw-ix14.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id sma011624; Tue Apr 8 19:22:27 1997 Message-ID: <[log in to unmask]> Date: Tue, 08 Apr 1997 20:22:20 -0400 From: Mark LoRusso <[log in to unmask]> X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: Roadside historical markers -Reply References: <[log in to unmask]> <[log in to unmask]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit content-length: 488 > [log in to unmask] wrote: > > > > My favorite is in Rexford, Town of Clifton Park, Saratoga County, along River > > Road, The sign as you drive eastbound states: > > > > Mohawk Riv- > > er on Right > > > > I love it for the hyphenation and for noting the obvious -- there is no body > > of water on the left. I like the one in front of Vern's trailer park in Sloansville. On the front it says: Site of the state's first tornado On the back it says: Whoever believes this is an idiot From [log in to unmask] Wed Apr 9 08:29:06 1997 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from MAIL.NYSED.GOV by unix10 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id IAA01924; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 08:29:06 -0400 Received: from DOMAIN1-Message_Server by MAIL.NYSED.GOV with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 09 Apr 1997 08:29:52 -0400 Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]> X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Wed, 09 Apr 1997 08:28:36 -0400 From: Jill Rydberg <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Alan Taylor Lecture/Booksigning - Albany, May 8th Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline content-length: 1314 Dr. Alan Taylor, Speaker 1996 Pulitzer Prize winning author of *William Cooper*s Town: Power and = Persuasion on the Frontier of the Early American Republic.* Dr. Taylor = is Professor of History, University of California at Davis, and concentrate= s on Colonial American history. Thursday, May 8, 5:30 -7:30 pm Lecture, reception and book signing New York State Museum Theater Cultural Education Center Madison Avenue, Albany *Wasty Ways*: Settlers and Nature in Upstate New York and in the Mind of = James Fenimore Cooper.=20 In his classic 1823 novel *The Pioneers,* James Fenimore Cooper described = the destructive energies of settlement upon the forest and its wildlife. = Dr. Taylor will seek to account for that assault by re-examining the harsh = experiences of settlers and the myth of themselves as *second creators* = which drove their assault upon the wild. Co-sponsored by the State Museum, State Library*s Manucript Collection, = State Archives, and Archives Partnership Trust This talk by Dr. Alan Taylor is open to the public free of charge.=20 You are welcome to attend and bring guests but seating is limited. Please call JoAnne Burnside 518-473-7091 for advance reservations. For other information on the event, contact Judy P. Hohmann 518-473-8037 = or jhohmann=40mail.nysed.gov. From [log in to unmask] Wed Apr 9 15:42:51 1997 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from conciliator.acsu.buffalo.edu by unix10 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id PAA04844; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 15:42:50 -0400 Received: (qmail 25842 invoked by uid 23037); 9 Apr 1997 19:43:08 -0000 Date: Wed, 9 Apr 1997 15:43:07 -0400 (EDT) From: Densmore <[log in to unmask]> To: NYHIST-L <[log in to unmask]> Subject: The Underground Railroad (1842)/Archives Conference (1997) (fwd) Message-ID: <[log in to unmask]> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII content-length: 3659 In response to a query about whether the Lake Ontario Archives Conference, meeting at Fredonia on June 13-14, 1997, will include anything on the underground railroad. Yes it will. A session on current research will include Carol Kammen speaking on evaluating the evidence of Underground Railroad activities. The following "Letter from Western New-York" was printed in the National Anti-Slavery Standard, May 5, 1842, p. 190, columns 3-4. The author, James C. Hathaway was a Quaker from Farmington, New York, an active anti-slavery lecturer and would later participate in the woman's rights conventions of the 1850s. ********************************************************************** Letter from Western New-York Our friend gives the names of master and slave, dates, places of residence, &c. But we omit them; because in all such cases, we consider "discretion the better part of valor." To the Editor of the Standard: A few days ago, a fugitive from Virginia gave me a call, on his way to a free country. He is no doubt safe, ere this, from American kidnappers. He arrived about 10 o'clock, and remained until after dinner; during which time, we had an opportunity of making many inquiries relative to the condition of our southern brethren in bonds. We urged him much to remain over night with us; but he was impatient to set foot upon a soil where he could feel assured he was free. He was a fine-looking fellow, of about nineteen, evidently possessing much native shrewdness. The Virginian, whose victim he was, staked him against $1000 in a cock-fight [italicized]; and for fear his master might loose his wager, and he be sold to the South, he thought best to use the physical and intellectual powers God had given him, in finding a country were an immortal being is considered of too much value to have his destiny hang upon a chicken's foot. [last two words italicized] He says the dread of being sent further South, is universal; that the slaves in his region, field hands and all, talk of nothing else but freedom, when they are by themselves; and that they have a long song about Canada. He seemed to place a light estimate on the value of human life. This is the legitimate result of education in slavery; thus, through the world's history, do we find habitual violence unconsciously preparing the way for its own retribution; teaching, by its own example, the very lessons it most dreads to have inculcated.-- When I called in question the right of slaves to kill their masters, even to obtain their freedom, he quickly replied, "If it be right for their masters to kill them [italicized], it must be right for them to kill there masters; and they make nothing of killing a nigger." Of course, I could not in a few hours counteract the teachings of years. A letter from Dr. Jewett, of Geneva, a few days ago, informs me that several man-stealers have infested that village, in quest of prey, since the decision of the United States' Supreme Court. One of them stepped into Johnson's barber's shop, to be shaved. Mr. Johnson at once recognized in him his old master. He shaved him with a trembling hand; and the moment he left the shop, hurried out of the back door, and immediately fled to Canada. How long must the free States submit to the shame of being unable to protect innocent men in the enjoyment of a right that belongs to all? J.C. Hathaway. *********************************************************************** Christopher Densmore University Archives University at Buffalo 420 Capen Hall Box 602200 Buffalo, New York 14260-2200 Voice: 716-645-2916 Fax: 716-645-3714 E-Mail: [log in to unmask] From [log in to unmask] Thu Apr 10 11:40:18 1997 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from mail1.eznet.net by unix10 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id LAA02261; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 11:40:17 -0400 Received: from [207.50.130.18] (dialup08.roc-tc1.eznet.net [207.50.130.18]) by mail1.eznet.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA19100 for <[log in to unmask]>; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 11:39:41 -0400 Message-Id: <v03007802af7218ff9a8c@[207.50.130.126]> In-Reply-To: <[log in to unmask]> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 9 Apr 1997 23:21:16 -0500 To: [log in to unmask] From: David Minor <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: Roadside historical markers content-length: 1723 Craig, The Canal Society of New York State, of which I am a member, goes on twice-yearly field trips to different parts of the state. We've taken to erecting markers at canal sites. Last Spring one was put up on the Buffalo waterfront, to mark the western terminus of the Erie Canal. We put up another one on the Hudson at Albany last Fall, to mark the eastern terminus. One will be put up in Binghamton at the end of this month, to mark the site of the Chemung Extension. I also attended a ceremony a few years back when a marker was erected in front of Batavia's Holland Land Office, to remember Charles Rand, the first volunteer for the Union Army. My point is that many such markers and signs are now being put up privately. I'm assuming they're registered with the NYS, and I hope a list will be made available as a result of your query. David Minor >I am looking for background information on the roadside historical >markers in New York State, and eventually for the documentation for a >particular sign. I have not seen the sign myself; my brother tells me a >sign is there and has promised to go by and get all of the information >from it. It is in front of a house which our family legend has it was a >station on the Underground Railroad. > >Questions: > 1) What agency or agencies erect such signs? I've visited one website >that claims to list all such signs but it does not. > 2) Do any of these agencies have websites? If not, where would I find >the addresses to write to them? > 3) Is there a general NYS government site? > >Thank you for your assistance. > >Craig Bond >Lufkin, TX David Minor Eagles Byte Historical Research Rochester, New York 716 264-0423 http://home.eznet.net/~dminor From [log in to unmask] Thu Apr 10 11:40:30 1997 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from mail1.eznet.net by unix10 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id LAA02278; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 11:40:29 -0400 Received: from [207.50.130.18] (dialup08.roc-tc1.eznet.net [207.50.130.18]) by mail1.eznet.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA19106; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 11:39:48 -0400 Message-Id: <v03007800af72b854c042@[207.50.130.126]> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/enriched; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 11:36:01 -0500 To: [log in to unmask] From: David Minor <[log in to unmask]> Subject: NYNY 1837-1840 Cc: [log in to unmask] content-length: 9202 <fontfamily><param>Geneva</param>1837 <smaller>Feb 10 Rioters protest high food prices in New York City, storm the wheat-and-flour store of Eli Hart & Company. Several people die and much grain is destroyed. The prices soon rise again. Apr 3 Naturalist John Burroughs is born near Roxbury. May The first locomotive for the Rochester & Tonawanda Railroad Company arrives by boat on the Erie Canal. May 2 William B. Ogden, brother-in-law of New York investor Charles Butler, is elected Mayor of Chicago. May 10 New York banks suspend specie payment, precipitating a financial panic in the U. S. and seven years of a depression. May 11 The first train leaves Rochester for Churchville, Bergen, Byron and finally Batavia, where its passengers are treated to a dinner at the Eagle Hotel, before making the return rail trip to Rochester. </smaller> <smaller>August Former Batavia newspaper editor Frederick Follett returns from Texas to resume the editorship of the <italic>Spirit of the Times</italic>. ** William C. Redfield's account of the Mount Marcy climb begins appearing in the New York <italic>Journal of Commerce</italic>. City The Sandy Hook Bar, stretching from Sandy Hook, New Jersey, to Rockaway,Long Island, is dredged to a depth of twenty-three feet. ** Whig alderman Aaron Clark is elected mayor for the next two one-year terms. ** The city is granted jurisdiction over underwater land on the North (Hudson) River as far north as 13th Avenue. ** The U. S. Navy's first steam warship <italic>Fulton </italic> is launched from the Brooklyn Navy Yard. State The Le Roy Female Seminary (later Ingham University), the first woman's college in the U. S., is founded in Le Roy, by sisters and former Attica schoolteachers Mariette and Emily Bingham. ** Brockport's Baptist Institute closes due to financial problems of the New York Baptist Convention. ** The Ellenville Glassworks opens. ** Contracts are let for construction of the Genesee Valley Canal. ** T. A. Conrad is given the task of compiling a paleontological survey of the state. ** Work on the Long Island Railroad (LIRR) line between Mineola and Hempstead is halted for the next four years by the financial panic. ** Batavia's Holland Land Office sells its remaining land and ceases operations. ** Troy's Carr Mansion is built. ** William Henry Bartlett paints a view of the Hudson River from Hyde Park. ** The Genesee and Wyoming Seminery operns in a cobblestone building in Alexander. ** Last year's climbing party succeeds in reaching the top of Mount Marcy, the first recorded ascent. </smaller></fontfamily> <fontfamily><param>Geneva</param><smaller> Albany - The city ceases using Maezlandt Kill for its water supply. Rochester Construction begins on a new Erie Canal aqueduct over the Genesee River. ** The city's first murder occurs. ** A wall is built along the Genesee River through downtown. ** A public market is built on Front Street. ** Wealthy St. Louis fur trader Henry Shaw builds a house for his parents. 1838 Apr 23 The British ship <italic>Sirius</italic>, the first ship to steam across the Atlantic, arrives in New York City. Jun 15 The steamship <italic>Pulaski</italic> is wrecked off Cape Hatteras. 100 die, among them New York State judge and former candidate for governor William B. Rochester. Oct 29 Isaac C. Sheldon begins publishing Cuba, New York's <italic>Cuba Advocate</italic>. Nov 7 William Henry Seward is elected governor of New York. City Lawyers George Griffin and George Washington Strong dissolve their practice. Strong takes on Marshall S. Bidwell as his new partner. Strong's son George Templeton Strong also joins the firm as a clerk. State The Scottsville and Le Roy Railroad is built at the cost of $40,0000, using wooden rails. It only reaches from Scottsville to Caledonia. ** Rochester boat tonnage drops to 408 tons. Oswego's reaches 6,582 tons and Buffalo's is 9,615 tons. ** The steamboat <italic>Washington</italic> burns off Silver Creek. Twelve people die. ** Meteorologist Cleveland Abbe is born. Rochester Clyde Street is renamed St. Paul Street for the local Episcopal church. River Street becomes South St. Paul.** The public cemetery is moved from the west side of town to the east bank of the Genesee River. The street and cemetery are named Mount Hope. ** The Rochester Carthage horse-car railroad is discontinued. ** Henry O'Reilly's <italic>Sketches of Rochester</italic>. ** George Ellwanger and Patrick Barry establish the Mount Hope Garden and Nurseries. ** Abelard Reynolds is named alderman of the first ward. 1839 Jan 26 Stephen Van Renssalaer, last of the Dutch patroons, dies. Feb 16 Albany Medical College is incorporated. </smaller></fontfamily> <fontfamily><param>Geneva</param><smaller>Jun 12 The claimed date that Abner Doubleday invents modern rules for baseball, at Cooperstown. Sep 2 Corning residents meet at the home of S. B. Denton to establish a school system for the village. Sep 28 Temperance leader Frances Elizabeth Willard is born in Churchville. Oct 1 Herman Melville arrives back in New York City on the <italic>Lawrence</italic>. Nov 13 Abolitionists convene at Warsaw leading to the formation of the Liberty party. They nominate James G. Birney for President of the United States and Pennsylvania's Francis J. Lemoyne as Vice-President. December Anti-rent protestors in western Albany County disperse quietly when the governor sends forces to assist the civil authorities. City Democratic lderman Isaac I. Varian wins two one-years terms as mayor, defeating Whig candidate Aaron Clark this year and Whig J. P. Phioenix in 1840. ** William F. Harnden starts a Boston-to-New York package service, carrying them in a carpetbag. State Builder John Canfield is born in Churchville. ** The Genesee Valley Canal reaches Mount Morris. ** William Henry Seward becomes the state's first Whig overnor, serving two terms - 1839-1843. ** General William Kerley Strong erects a Greek Revival mansion on Geneva's Rose Hill Farm. ** A railroad connects Corning with the Pennsylvania coal fields. ** Junius peppermint farmer Peter Hill moves to Lyons, having bought property at the future site of Erie Canal Lock E-56. ** A Stafford silkworm operation contains 6,000 mulberry trees and 72,000 worms. ** American Revolution heroine Sybil Ludington dies in her late seventies. ** The Albany Exchange Building is erected. ** Geneva-born author Caroline Matilda Stansbury Kirkland publishes <italic>A New Home: Who'll Follow</italic>, an account of her life in the Detroit frontier settlements. ** Ulysses S. Grant enters West Point. ** Northern general-tactician Emory Upton is born in Batavia. ** Company directors liquidate the Rochester Canal and Railway Company. 1840 June Batavia newspaper publisher Frederick Follett sells the <italic>Spirit of the Times</italic> to Lucas Seaver, and joins Peter Lawrence in publishing the new <italic>Batavia Times and Farmers and Mechanics Journal</italic>. Aug 19 Daniel Webster speaks at Saratoga. Sep 1 </smaller></fontfamily> <fontfamily><param>Geneva</param><smaller>The first boat to use New York State's Genesee Valley Canal, traveling from Rochester to Mount Morris, stops at Cuylerville's National Hotel for a celebration. Sep 10 The locomotive <italic>The Young Lion</italic> inaugurates New York's Auburn & Rochester Railroad. Sep 12 The first train on the Auburn & Rochester Railroad arrives in Canandaigua. City The Atlantic Dock Company is established, in Brooklyn. ** The Admiral's House is built, on Governor's Island. ** Henry James marries Mary Walsh. They will be the patrents of William and Henry James. State The town of Irondequoit is carved out of the town of Brighton, on the outskirts of Rochester. ** Angelica's <italic>Allegany Gazette</italic> begins publication. ** The first Orange Counyt Fair is held. ** Population: Albany: 34,000; Rochester: 20,195; Utica: 13,000. ** Wayne County peppermint farmer Peter Hill bewgins dismantling his private grocery building to move it out of the way of the Erie Canal enlargement. ** William Tecumseh Sherman graduates from West Point. ** The approximate date Elijah T. Hayden builds Syracuse's Leavenworth House hotel, at the corner of James and McBride Streets. Corning Advance crews of the New York and Erie Railroad arrive for preliminary studies. ** The village's first school house is built. Rochester Construction begins on East Avenue's Smith-Perkins (Woodside) andPitkin-Powers mansions. ** The city annexes Mount Hope Cemetery, increasing its own size to 7.438 square miles. ** The Phoenix Mill is destroyed by fire, rebuilt.</smaller></fontfamily> David Minor Eagles Byte Historical Research Rochester, New York 716 264-0423 http://home.eznet.net/~dminor From [log in to unmask] Thu Apr 10 14:23:45 1997 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from freenet.npiec.on.ca by unix10 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id OAA03206; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 14:23:43 -0400 Received: from localhost (pwarwick@localhost) by freenet.npiec.on.ca (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA26931 for <[log in to unmask]>; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 14:24:52 -0400 (EST) Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 14:24:51 -0400 (EST) From: Peter Warwick <[log in to unmask]> To: NYHIST-L <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: The Underground Railroad (1842)/Archives Conference (1997) (fwd) In-Reply-To: <[log in to unmask]> Message-ID: <[log in to unmask]> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII content-length: 948 I'd like to mention that Roger Tottman and myself, both of St.Catharines, are co-authoring a book on shipbuilding on the Welland Canals. As part of our research we have found evidence that Louis Shickluna, who was perhaps the greatest of the 19th century shipbuilders on the Great Lakes, employed escaped slaves from the Underground Railroad and may have otherwise been involved with it here, in St.Catharines. This has long been suspected due to his close ties with William Hamilton Merritt and other local people, who are known to have been involved. I would like to invite anyone who has any information relating to the Underground Railroad and the shipbuilding industry on the Welland Canals to contact me. Thank you. And by the way, I enjoyed the letter. Excellent example of why I find history fascinating. Peter D.A. Warwick St.Catharines, Ontario, Canada Bike Through The Garden Of Canada [log in to unmask] writer/researcher From [log in to unmask] Thu Apr 10 17:35:25 1997 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from pppmail.appliedtheory.com by unix10 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id RAA03837; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 17:35:23 -0400 Received: from behavior by pppmail.appliedtheory.com (8.6.12/3.1.090690-Applied Theory Communications) id RAA01116; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 17:39:36 -0400 Message-ID: <[log in to unmask]> Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 05:40:04 -0400 From: "Robert V. Shear" <[log in to unmask]> Reply-To: [log in to unmask] Organization: NY History Net (http://www.NYHistory.com) X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: Roadside historical markers References: <v03007802af7218ff9a8c@[207.50.130.126]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit content-length: 387 David Minor wrote: > > My point is that many such markers and signs are now being put up > privately. I'm assuming they're registered with the NYS, and I hope a list > will be made available as a result of your query. > Has anyone mentioned the listing of NYS historical markers posted by Phil Marks at RPI? There's a link to it at http://www.NYHistory.com/featured.htm Bob Shear From [log in to unmask] Thu Apr 10 19:56:04 1997 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from pppmail.appliedtheory.com by unix10 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id TAA03997; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 19:56:03 -0400 Received: from behavior by pppmail.appliedtheory.com (8.6.12/3.1.090690-Applied Theory Communications) id UAA05910; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 20:00:16 -0400 Message-ID: <[log in to unmask]> Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 08:01:13 -0400 From: "Robert V. Shear" <[log in to unmask]> Reply-To: [log in to unmask] Organization: NY History Net (http://www.NYHistory.com) X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: [log in to unmask] CC: [log in to unmask] Subject: The UGRR in NYS Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit content-length: 500 The Underground Railroad in NYS website (http://www.nyhistory.com/ugrr) now lists 138 individuals. Additions to Wilbur Siebert's list include Frances and William H. Seward, Harriet Tubman, Gideon Pitts, Jr. (father of Frederick Douglass' second wife) and Calvin Fairbank. Of the 138 persons now listed, there is at least some descriptive information posted on 57. Persons with information on individuals or sites are urged to check the lists, and email any additions or corrections. Bob Shear From [log in to unmask] Thu Apr 10 20:18:59 1997 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from tip.nyslgti.gen.ny.us by unix10 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id UAA04082; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 20:18:57 -0400 Received: from [167.152.13.13] by tip.nyslgti.gen.ny.us with SMTP (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/25-eef) id AA13422; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 20:19:09 -0400 Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]> X-Sender: [log in to unmask] X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 20:20:00 -0300 To: [log in to unmask] From: Suzanne Etherington <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: RCHA Annual Conference Cc: [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask] content-length: 2834 Museum trustees, staff and volunteers, local government historians, and all those interested in the preservation and presentation of the history of upstate NY are invited to attend the Regional Council of Historical Agencies (RCHA) Annual Conference, 'Making Connections: Museums and Communities', on Monday, May 12th, at the Oneida Community Mansion House in Oneida, NY. The keynote speaker is Carol Kammen of Ithaca, nationally-known author of numerous books and articles on the practice of local history. Her talk, "Beyond the Obvious: Everyone's History", will look at why we do the history of our home places and who the audience for such history is. Conference sessions include: 'The Stickley Project: An Innovative School, Museum, and Community Partnership', which explores an art and history based program at the Everson Museum in Syracuse; 'But What Am I Supposed to Do: Ideas for Local Historians', with Laura Lynne Scharer, Jefferson County Historian and author of a new book by the same name, and Joseph Meany, Acting State Historian; 'Exhibits: Common Sense Collaboration and the Small History Museum' with staff from the Gallery Association of New York State (GANYS); and 'Using Folklore and Oral History in the Classroom', based on several award-winning projects in Geneva. In addition, Robert Baron, Director of the Museum Program of the New York State Council on the Arts (NYSCA) will discuss directions for that agency, and a panel headed up by Kathleen Roe of the NYS Archives & Records Administration's Documentary Heritage Program will seek input on statewide initiatives for historical records repositories. The day also includes the presentation of Awards of Merit, a resource marketplace where participants can collect information on funding sources, and a silent auction of goods and services to benefit RCHA's general operating fund. The day concludes with a guided tour of the Oneida Community Mansion House and Gardens, the site of the utopian Oneida Community founded by John Humphrey Noyes in 1848. Pre-registration is required for the conference, lunch is available, and there is a modest fee. For registration information contact The RCHA, PO Box 28, Cooperstown, NY 13326 / telephone: 1-800-895-1648 / or on-line at <[log in to unmask]> The Regional Council of Historical Agencies is a non-profit organization based in Cooperstown that produces workshops, lectures, publications and other projects to assist upstate organizations and communities in interpreting their history. Membership is open to anyone interested in the region's history. - submitted by Suzanne Etherington, President, RCHA Board. Suzanne Etherington NYSARA Regional Advisory Officer for Region 6 Binghamton State Office Bldg, Floor #16 44 Hawley Street Binghamton, NY 13901-4406 voice: 607/721-8428/9 fax: 607/721-8431 From [log in to unmask] Fri Apr 11 10:06:41 1997 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from lictor.acsu.buffalo.edu by unix10 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id KAA05709; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 10:06:40 -0400 Received: (qmail 8008 invoked by uid 23037); 11 Apr 1997 14:07:02 -0000 Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 10:07:02 -0400 (EDT) From: Densmore <[log in to unmask]> To: NYHIST-L <[log in to unmask]> cc: Christopher Densmore <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Cemetery Preservation in NYS? In-Reply-To: <[log in to unmask]> Message-ID: <[log in to unmask]> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII content-length: 395 Can anyone on the list suggest resources on cemetary preservation in New York State, particularly anything that discusses the establishment of ownership of rural and/or abandoned cemeteries? Thanks. Christopher Densmore University Archives University at Buffalo 420 Capen Hall Box 602200 Buffalo, New York 14260-2200 Voice: 716-645-2916 Fax: 716-645-3714 E-Mail: [log in to unmask] From [log in to unmask] Fri Apr 11 10:34:45 1997 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from MAIL.NYSED.GOV by unix10 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id KAA05788; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 10:34:44 -0400 Received: from DOMAIN1-Message_Server by MAIL.NYSED.GOV with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 10:35:29 -0400 Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]> X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 10:34:25 -0400 From: Phil Lord <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: Roadside historical markers -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline content-length: 821 Re: privately funded historic markers and the state inventory list. Here is the problem. Since 1939, all "state historic markers" erected have been privately funded, and because they have not been part of a funded, state program, with rigorous reporting and approval standards, most of these have NOT been recorded on our inventory. We are trying to complete a roadside inventory project, begun two years ago, to list all markers, no matter who paid for them. But as with any volunteer effort, we have very mixed results. We are not trying to establish some form of recording requirement, but with the State not providing any funding, and the format of the markers never having been copyrighted, we cannot require it. We are exploring ways to re-establish the quality control portion of the program. Any suggestions? From [log in to unmask] Fri Apr 11 12:45:34 1997 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from MAIL.NYSED.GOV by unix10 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id MAA05991; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 12:45:33 -0400 Received: from DOMAIN1-Message_Server by MAIL.NYSED.GOV with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 12:46:13 -0400 Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]> X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 12:45:03 -0400 From: Phil Lord <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: Roadside historical markers -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline content-length: 1362 The web listing posted by Phil Marks at RPI is the full text of the Education Department's State Historic Marker inventory as last done for the entire State, c. 1950. We are trying to do an update, since this list is very out of date. However, the program for these samll markers has been unfunded since 1939, so it is catch as catch can for anything we do. Things to remember include the age of the list and that a lot has happened since 1950. This includes markers being damaged, moved, stolen and destroyed. In two county surveys we did a few years ago [Weschester and Rensselaer] we found that up to 50% of the markers listed could not be found still standing in the field. But also, many look-alike markers have been erected which were never reported to us, and so don't appear on the lists. This was not required, so people did not report them, even though they are identical to ones put up with state funds. You have to look at the credit line, if there is one. If it does not say State Education Department, it is privately funded [usually]. But, all this aside, it is a great service to have the 3,000 markers listed on the old inventory available on the web, as we get frequent questions about where to get copies, and the old way of xeroxing and charging a page fee was not good for us or the customer. Philip Lord NYS Museum [log in to unmask] From [log in to unmask] Fri Apr 11 14:30:37 1997 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from loomis.berkshire.net by unix10 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id OAA06381; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 14:30:36 -0400 Received: from loomis.berkshire.net ([log in to unmask] [206.72.196.14]) by loomis.berkshire.net (8.8.5/8.7.1) with SMTP id OAA19093; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 14:32:33 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 14:32:33 -0400 (EDT) From: "Michael D. Bathrick" <[log in to unmask]> To: Densmore <[log in to unmask]> cc: NYHIST-L <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: Cemetery Preservation in NYS? In-Reply-To: <[log in to unmask]> Message-ID: <[log in to unmask]> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII content-length: 660 The Association for Gravestone Studies (http://www.berkshire.net/ags) - [log in to unmask] - is very familiar with cemetery issues and can probably point you in the right direction. Mike On Fri, 11 Apr 1997, Densmore wrote: > > Can anyone on the list suggest resources on cemetary preservation in New > York State, particularly anything that discusses the establishment of > ownership of rural and/or abandoned cemeteries? Thanks. > > Christopher Densmore > University Archives > University at Buffalo > 420 Capen Hall > Box 602200 > Buffalo, New York 14260-2200 > > Voice: 716-645-2916 > Fax: 716-645-3714 > E-Mail: [log in to unmask] > > From [log in to unmask] Fri Apr 11 14:50:50 1997 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from gracie.snet.com by unix10 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id OAA06524; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 14:50:49 -0400 Received: from 8-60 ([151.109.134.239]) by gracie.snet.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA26506; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 14:47:34 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <[log in to unmask]> Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 14:51:10 -0400 From: Tom McDonald <[log in to unmask]> Organization: SNET X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.0b3 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: [log in to unmask] CC: Christopher Densmore <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: Cemetery Preservation in NYS? X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <[log in to unmask]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 content-length: 525 Densmore wrote: > Can anyone on the list suggest resources on cemetary preservation in > New > York State, particularly anything that discusses the establishment > of > ownership of rural and/or abandoned cemeteries? Thanks. Found this: The Association for Gravestone Studies was founded in 1977 for the purpose of furthering the study and preservation of gravestones. AGS is an international organization with an interest in gravemarkers of all periods. on this web page: http://www.berkshire.net/ags/ --tom mcdonald From [log in to unmask] Fri Apr 11 15:36:41 1997 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from VAXC.HOFSTRA.EDU by unix10 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id PAA06646; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 15:36:40 -0400 Received: from vaxc.hofstra.edu by vaxc.hofstra.edu (PMDF V5.0-8 #15259) id <[log in to unmask]> for [log in to unmask]; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 15:35:57 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 15:35:57 -0400 (EDT) From: "NATALIE A. NAYLOR" <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: Roadside historical markers -Reply To: [log in to unmask] Message-id: <[log in to unmask]> X-VMS-To: IN%"[log in to unmask]" X-VMS-Cc: NUCNZN MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT content-length: 797 Information: Nassau County Museum did an inventory of historical markers in the county a few years ago (including "missing" markers, I believe). Mildred DeRiggi at the LI Studies Institute has a copy/information (516-463-6418). Rufus Langhans published a listing of markers in the Town of Huntington with the inscriptions; he was very active in erecting historical markers in his portion of Suffolk County. That list should be available from the Town of Huntington Historians office. A Long Island guidebook by Kruhl a number of years ago included many of the then extant historical markers in both Nassau and Suffolk; I believe it included text. Hope this information may be helpful if you compile a list. Natalie Naylor, LI Studies Institute, Hofstra University, Hempstead, NY 11550 From [log in to unmask] Fri Apr 11 15:52:29 1997 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from emout14.mail.aol.com by unix10 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id PAA06694; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 15:52:28 -0400 From: [log in to unmask] Received: (from root@localhost) by emout14.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id PAA27829 for [log in to unmask]; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 15:52:49 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 15:52:49 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: Roadside historical markers -Reply content-length: 620 Well, it's a time consuming job. Try and go at it county by county. Have a handful of interested people go over ever possible road that could have a sign. Hopefully when completed someone in each county has a computer and all data is entered. And eventually all data entered in one computer as a completed list. Someone should keep cities, towns and villages aware and record all road signs after this, hope this gives y'all an ideal what to do. I think also each county should let it be known that a new road sign just has to be recorded with them. From born and raised in New York but living in Texas! From [log in to unmask] Fri Apr 11 18:13:48 1997 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from pppmail.appliedtheory.com by unix10 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id SAA06835; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 18:13:46 -0400 Received: from behavior by pppmail.appliedtheory.com (8.6.12/3.1.090690-Applied Theory Communications) id SAA19587; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 18:18:00 -0400 Message-ID: <[log in to unmask]> Date: Sat, 12 Apr 1997 06:00:01 -0400 From: "Robert V. Shear" <[log in to unmask]> Reply-To: [log in to unmask] Organization: NY History Net (http://www.NYHistory.com) X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: Roadside historical markers -Reply References: <[log in to unmask]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit content-length: 1888 Phil Lord wrote: > > Re: privately funded historic markers and the state inventory list. > We are exploring ways to re-establish the quality control portion of the > program. Any suggestions? Were there a description of the volunteer-based marker inventory project, I'd be happy to post it at NY History Net. More info would make it easier to know how others might aid this effort. The method used for maintaining the web pages on the UGRR NYS website might serve as a model for a progressive quality control strategy fo markers, as I hope it will be for building and improving the UGRR database. The basic info is kept in a dbase file. Anyone who wanted to conduct a local inventory could use the file as a collection instrument. That way schol kids could be sent out to do projects on any scope, with a uniform data structure. The collected files can easily be imported into the master file, which is used, with a program, to generate the pages that appear on the web. No further HTML coding required. By making the whole listing available in searchable form, anyone with an interest can locate a record they know about, and if possible, offer improved or updated information. With such a platform for information, it would at least be possible for people to help assemble and correct the publicly stated facts. Beyond that, it seems to me there ought to be an appropriation to do this work, and to provide some quality control. When I was involved in creating several markers in 1985 (which, by the way DO say State Education Department on them) we had to give state ed documentation of the facts, and pay for the foundry and erection costs. Maybe a law requiring this process be followed on public right of ways could be passed, with an appropriation, if the Legislature appreciated the value to tourism. Someone at SED needs to talk with someone at DOT. Bob Shear From [log in to unmask] Fri Apr 11 20:10:45 1997 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from emout23.mail.aol.com by unix10 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id UAA06971; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 20:10:44 -0400 From: [log in to unmask] Received: (from root@localhost) by emout23.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id UAA19872 for [log in to unmask]; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 20:11:07 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 20:11:07 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: Cemetery Preservation in NYS? content-length: 149 Can any one out there know where I can get list of cemeteries in Warren and Saratoga Counties. Researching family and need this to continue. Thanks From [log in to unmask] Fri Apr 11 21:06:48 1997 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from dfw-ix15.ix.netcom.com by unix10 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id VAA07174; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 21:06:46 -0400 Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix15.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id UAA02552; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 20:07:08 -0500 (CDT) Received: from sac-ca19-50.ix.netcom.com(198.211.110.114) by dfw-ix15.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id sma002495; Fri Apr 11 20:06:36 1997 X-Sender: [log in to unmask] Message-Id: <v03007803af748b9ca4b5@[199.35.220.216]> In-Reply-To: <[log in to unmask]> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 18:03:31 -0700 To: [log in to unmask], Phil Lord <[log in to unmask]> From: Mark Merritt <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: Roadside historical markers -Reply content-length: 2035 Hi there Phil Lord -- At 10:34 AM -0400 4/11/97, you wrote in part: >We are not trying to establish some form of recording requirement, but >with the State not providing any funding, and the format of the markers >never having been copyrighted, we cannot require it. > >We are exploring ways to re-establish the quality control portion of the >program. Any suggestions? Do you have a way to make it worthwhile to register and conform to *standards* without obligating the State to spend money? From your return email address, it appears that you are part of the New York State government and may be able to consider the things which follow. Could you, in exchange for registration and conformity to standards -- 1) Offer to build a list on a website on which each "registered" site would have a small blurb; 2) Offer to include the registered historic sites in whatever material the State assembles for visitors and tourists; 3) Work a cooperative arrangement with triple A (AAA) to include the registered sites in their annually produced touring guides; 4) Within the State's tourist advertising budget include only registered sites in your materials; 5) Include sites, addresses and their NEEDS in press releases from whatever agency would like to have a hand in the appearance of the markers. Simply, no registration, no mention. Even once completed, physical markers need maintenance. You are in a position to call attention to those needs. These are a few things which come to mind. In general, the State of New York -- or any other state for that matter -- has a bunch of ways it can feature people, places and things. The trick is aligning the goodies you already have in place with conformity to desired policy. Properly done, you may not only get the registrations you want, but also you could develop some advertising and feature critters that would cause folks to break the doors down to join. Good luck and good hunting, Mark Merritt [log in to unmask] From [log in to unmask] Fri Apr 11 21:40:42 1997 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from iceland.it.earthlink.net by unix10 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id VAA07241; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 21:40:41 -0400 Received: from 153.35.236.129 (Cust1.Max7.San-Francisco.CA.MS.UU.NET [153.35.236.129]) by iceland.it.earthlink.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA04772 for <[log in to unmask]>; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 18:40:44 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <[log in to unmask]> Date: Tue, 28 Aug 1956 06:32:49 +0000 From: Simira Tobias <[log in to unmask]> Reply-To: [log in to unmask] X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: Roadside historical markers -Reply References: <[log in to unmask]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit content-length: 1156 Phil Lord wrote: > > Re: privately funded historic markers and the state inventory list. > > Here is the problem. Since 1939, all "state historic markers" erected have > been privately funded, and because they have not been part of a > funded, state program, with rigorous reporting and approval standards, > most of these have NOT been recorded on our inventory. > > We are trying to complete a roadside inventory project, begun two years > ago, to list all markers, no matter who paid for them. But as with any > volunteer effort, we have very mixed results. > > We are not trying to establish some form of recording requirement, but > with the State not providing any funding, and the format of the markers > never having been copyrighted, we cannot require it. > > We are exploring ways to re-establish the quality control portion of the > program. Any suggestions? I suggest that roadside marking be privatized. Require the signage entreprenuers to payback a portion to the State. Creates employment, eliminates "fake markers." The government can use the funds to provide the entreprenuers with necessary standards and maintain inventory. From [log in to unmask] Sat Apr 12 00:00:02 1997 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from mail1.eznet.net by unix10 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id AAA07657; Sat, 12 Apr 1997 00:00:01 -0400 Received: from [207.50.130.41] (dialup31.roc-tc1.eznet.net [207.50.130.41]) by mail1.eznet.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA32694 for <[log in to unmask]>; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 23:58:05 -0400 Message-Id: <v03007800af745de3d880@[207.50.130.59]> In-Reply-To: <[log in to unmask]> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 17:56:54 -0500 To: [log in to unmask] From: David Minor <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: Roadside historical markers -Reply content-length: 2741 Phil, I would certainly get (and remain) in touch with any group that makes a point of erecting such markers. Anita Cottrell, Secretary-Treasurer of the Canal Society of New York State can be reached at: 7308 Jamesville Road Manlius, New York 13104 Also, did your post mean to say "we are not trying to establish" or "now trying to establish"? As a taxpayer I think some discussion of the necessity of "a funded, state program, with rigorous reporting and approval standards..." The worth of such an extension of bureaucracy is probably debatable, in a period of scarce government resources for education, environment and child poverty concerns, among others. I have several books (bless the used bookstores) that cover other states' markers: As part of its sesquicentennial in 1953 the state of Ohio embarked on a program of erecting markers at the corporation limits of towns along state highways. (I mention this for informational purposes only, not as a suggestion.) The text of each marker is accompanied by details expanding on the information, with each town getting a full page as well as an icon indicating the approximate location of the town within the state. The book is: Ohio Pride: A Guide to Ohio Roadside History Jeff Traylor Columbus, Backroad Chronicles, 1990 The other book is by a writer who set out to locate and detail every marker in the state of Florida. He recorded over 700, and his introduction describes the process. FLORIDA: Historical Markers & Sites Floyd E. Boone Houston, Texas, Gulf Publishing Company, 1989 This may the "road" to follow, rather than a state-run effort, which will probably happen about the time the state budget is passed on schedule - "Can you say 'pie-in-the-sky?'". I'm sure there are other viewpoints. David Minor >Re: privately funded historic markers and the state inventory list. > >Here is the problem. Since 1939, all "state historic markers" erected have >been privately funded, and because they have not been part of a >funded, state program, with rigorous reporting and approval standards, >most of these have NOT been recorded on our inventory. > >We are trying to complete a roadside inventory project, begun two years >ago, to list all markers, no matter who paid for them. But as with any >volunteer effort, we have very mixed results. > >We are not trying to establish some form of recording requirement, but >with the State not providing any funding, and the format of the markers >never having been copyrighted, we cannot require it. > >We are exploring ways to re-establish the quality control portion of the >program. Any suggestions? David Minor Eagles Byte Historical Research Rochester, New York 716 264-0423 http://home.eznet.net/~dminor From [log in to unmask] Sat Apr 12 16:19:51 1997 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from dialup.rochester.edu by unix10 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id QAA08436; Sat, 12 Apr 1997 16:19:50 -0400 Received: from ppp-4-23.dialup.rochester.edu (ppp-4-23.dialup.rochester.edu [208.132.152.176]) by dialup.rochester.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA04824 for <[log in to unmask]>; Sat, 12 Apr 1997 16:13:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ppp-4-23.dialup.rochester.edu with Microsoft Mail id <[log in to unmask]>; Sat, 12 Apr 1997 16:08:57 -0400 Message-ID: <[log in to unmask]> From: DJM <[log in to unmask]> To: "[log in to unmask]" <[log in to unmask]> Subject: RE: Roadside historical markers -Reply Date: Sat, 12 Apr 1997 16:08:03 -0400 Return-Receipt-To: <[log in to unmask]> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="---- =_NextPart_000_01BC475B.D3A78B20" content-length: 4755 ------ =_NextPart_000_01BC475B.D3A78B20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Phil Thanks for the information on State Historic Markers. I was not aware = that they are not state funded. =20 I did notice (as you pointed out) several omissions of markers from = Monroe County. As my wife and I collect old maps, postcards and are = generally amatur historians, would you like updates on markers not = currently listed on the www.rpi.edu site? Doug Morgan Honeoye Falls, Monroe County, New York ---------- From: Phil Lord[SMTP:[log in to unmask]] Sent: Friday, April 11, 1997 10:34 AM To: [log in to unmask]; [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: Roadside historical markers -Reply Re: privately funded historic markers and the state inventory list. Here is the problem. Since 1939, all "state historic markers" erected = have been privately funded, and because they have not been part of a funded, state program, with rigorous reporting and approval standards, most of these have NOT been recorded on our inventory. We are trying to complete a roadside inventory project, begun two years ago, to list all markers, no matter who paid for them. But as with any volunteer effort, we have very mixed results. We are not trying to establish some form of recording requirement, but with the State not providing any funding, and the format of the markers never having been copyrighted, we cannot require it. We are exploring ways to re-establish the quality control portion of the program. 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Abandoned plots, in general, revert to the custody and protection of the Town in which they occur and the Town is supposed to provide some minimal upkeep, I believe. Anyone who wants a copy of this pamphlet could send a self-addressed and stamped envelope - not a regular one, but one that measures at least 9 1/4 by 6" and include two stamps. Send it to Sue Seney, Room CEC 3097, Empire State Plaza, Albany, NY 12230. No note is required, just mark the envelope "Cemetery Laws". Phil Lord History Office NYS Museum [log in to unmask] From [log in to unmask] Mon Apr 14 16:14:59 1997 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from unix2.nysed.gov by unix10 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id QAA11899; Mon, 14 Apr 1997 16:14:58 -0400 Received: from test-1 by unix2.nysed.gov (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id QAA14613; Mon, 14 Apr 1997 16:15:22 -0400 Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 16:15:08 +0400 (EDT) From: Melinda Yates <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask] cc: [log in to unmask] Subject: Stewart Manor Vote X-Sender: [log in to unmask] Message-ID: <Pine.PCW.3.91.970414155820.12375B-100000@test-1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII content-length: 1101 A writer is trying to find out how the village of Stewart Manor (Nassau County) voted in the 1964 U.S. Senate race between Kenneth Keating and Robert Kennedy. The Legislative Manual does not list results at the village level. The New York State Archives does not have village results, and they are not available at the Nassau County Board of Elections or the Clerk's office in Stewart Manor. It is the writer's belief that Stewart Manor -- normally a Republican stronghold -- went for Kennedy in 1964, largely because of the village's Irish voters. But he would like to find the figures to support his memory. His memoir is to be published in a forthcoming book on the Irish in America. The State Library does not have microfilm of the Long Island Press or Newsday for 1964. Does anyone know of a source where I might find this information? Thank you for your help. Melinda Yates Reference Librarian NYS Library (518)474-5959 From [log in to unmask] Mon Apr 14 21:50:07 1997 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from mail1.eznet.net by unix10 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id VAA12840; Mon, 14 Apr 1997 21:50:01 -0400 Received: from [207.50.130.18] (dialup08.roc-tc1.eznet.net [207.50.130.18]) by mail1.eznet.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA04823; Mon, 14 Apr 1997 21:17:30 -0400 Message-Id: <v03007801af788fade948@[207.50.130.55]> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/enriched; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 21:10:48 -0500 To: [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask], just_ask@rochesterD&C.com From: David Minor <[log in to unmask]> Subject: NYNY 1841-1844 content-length: 11308 <fontfamily><param>Geneva</param>A couple notes before we turn to the time lines: a) You'll notice that the "State" entries for 1843 refer to an assistant geologist by the name of Seymour. My source, French's state Gazeteer of 1861, does not provide a first name. If anyone out there, a Seymour perhaps, knows the name, maybe they can let the rest of us know. b) Shortly after posting the information for the 1830s, I received the following post from Philip G. Terrie, author of Forever Wild: Environmental Aesthetics and the Adirondack Forest Preserve (Philadelphia, Temple University Press, 1985): "I have a slight quarrel with your account of the steps leading up to the first ascent of Mount Marcy. At the beginning of field work in 1836, the "High Peak of Essex" was not known to exist. William Redfield spotted it in August of that year as he was exploring in the vicinity of the McIntyre iron works. Ebenezer Emmons was not with Redfield that year, but he sighted Marcy from Whiteface about a month later. There was no expedition in 1836 that set out to climb Marcy. The trip that had both Redfield and Emmons passing through Clear Pond (where it's doubtful they would have been with Cheney and Holt) occurred in 1837, when they returned to the McIntyre works and successfully climbed the mountain that Emmons named Marcy." Our thanks to Phil for setting the record straight. Now, on to the chronologies ! <bold>1841</bold> Apr 10 Horace Greeley founds the New York <italic>Tribune </italic>. July The Auburn & Rochester Railroad reaches Geneva, out of Rochester. Jul 25 New York City cigar stand clerk Mary Cecilia Rogers disappears. Jul 28 The body of the strangled Mary Rogers is found in the Hudson River. The crime is never solved. Edgar Allan Poe, a customer of the cigar stand, will base <italic>The Mystery of Marie Roget </italic>on the case. August The Auburn & Rochester Railroad reaches Seneca Falls. ** Scottish geologist Sir Charles Lytell visits the Rochester area. Aug 9 The Lake Erie steamboat <italic>Erie </italic>leaves Buffalo, headed for Chicago. It catches on fire off Silver Creek; 215 people are killed. September The Auburn & Rochester Railroad reaches Waterloo. October The first Seneca County Agricultural Fair is held, alternates among various county towns until permanently settling in Waterloo in 1870. Nov 4 The Auburn & Rochester Railroad reaches Auburn. December Canandaigua merchants petition the Auburn & Rochester Railroad for at least one freight train a week to pick up shipments, challenging the monopoly of canal interests. City A fire in Astoria, Queens, destroys the roofs of four buildings. ** The brig <italic>John Gilpin</italic> runs aground in the harbor during a storm. ** Democrat Robert H. Morris is elected mayor for each of the next three one-year terms. State Brockport Collegiate Institute opens. ** Samuel C. Wilson's<italic>Angelica Reporter </italic>newspaper<italic> </italic>is bought by Horace E. Purdy and Charles Horton. ** The Dansville Branch (Side-cut) of the Genesee Valley Canal links Dansville with Shaker Settlement (Sonyea). ** Macedon's Erie Canal Lock 60 is built. ** The Long Island Railroad (LIRR), having resumed work early in the year after a hiatus due to the 1837 financial panic, has tracks extended to Farmingdale by the end of the year, as well as laid west from Greenport. ** Wayne County peppermint farmer Peter Hill moves his private grocery building of the way of the Erie Canal enlargement. ** Wyoming County is created out of Genesee County. Rochester The Smith-Perkins and Pitkin-Powers mansions are completed. ** English-born Toronto carpenter William Williams moves to town. <bold>1842</bold> Jan 11 Philosopher-psychologist William James is born in New York City at the Astor House hotel, to Henry and Mary Walsh James. Feb 24 Editor-novelist-playwright John Habberton is born in Brooklyn. March Henry James (father of William, and later of author Henry) makes the acquaintance of Ralph Waldo Emerson, beginning a long frienmdship. Jul 4 The Croton Aqueduct System is completed. Croton water first reaches New York; the city is no longer dependent on well water. Jul 11 Poet Henry Abbey is born in Kingston. Aug 9 The Webster-Ashburton Treaty settles British-U. S. boundary disputes over Maine, Minnesota and New York. The 1774 Canada-New York boundary is restored and Albert Smith (U. S.) and J. B. B. Estcourt (Britain) are assigned to a new survey. Nov 18 A fire breaks out at New York City's Tombs Prison. The body of condemned murderer John C. Colt, brother of inventor Samuel Colt, is found with a knife in his heart. Rumors persist that the "suicide" was faked and that Colt had escaped. City Isaiah Roger's Merchants' Exchange is erected on the Wall Street site of the First Merchants' Exchange, destroyed in the 1834 fire. ** Town, Davis and Frazee's Customs House is erected on the site of the old City Hall, on Wall Street. ** The New York Philharmonic is founded. ** Phineas Taylor Barnum opens the American Museum, features Charles S. Stratton (Tom Thumb). ** Sweets Restaurant opens in lower Manhattan. ** A stove fire destroys the building at 231 Water Street. State The first U. S. grain elevator is built at Buffalo. ** Henry Wells organizes Wells and Company, a freight express outfit. ** The steamboat <italic>Lady of the Lake</italic> is launched. ** Geologist Amos Eaton dies. ** Reports of the state geological survey are published: the Second District (Adirondacks counties) by Dr. Ebenezer Emmons, Ebenezer Emmons, Jr. and James Hall; and the Third District (central New York counties) by Lardner Van Uxem, James Eights and S. Can. ** Dr. Lewis C. Beck, William Horton and L. D. Gale issue the report of the New York State Mineralogical Department. ** Dr. James E. DeKay and John W. Hill begin publishing the report ofthe Zoological Department. It will come out in five volumes over the next year. ** Erastus S. Palmer begins publishing Angelica's <italic>Allegany Co. Advocate. </italic> ** Syracuse raises its water rates. Captain Oliver Teall finally agrees to accept a 35-year franchise top provide the city's water, starts Syracuse City Waterworks Company. ** The Presbyterian Synod of Genesee begins stewardship over the Le Roy Female Seminary (later Ingham University). ** Rensselaerville's Presbyterian Church is built. ** Stephen Olmsted opens a plaster plant in Oakfield. Albany A new State Hall, built to hold various government offices, including those of canal commissioners, is completed at an approximate cost of $350,000. The old State Hall is converted to a geological hall. ** The Meneely bell is cast for the main Dwelling House of the Shaker Community at Watervliet. Rochester The Erie Canal aqueduct over the Genesee River is completed. ** The O'Rorke family arrives from Ireland, settles in the Irish "Dublin" section. <bold>1843</bold> Apr 15 Novelist Henry James is born at 21 Washington Place in New York City. September Batavia newspaper publisher Frederick Follett is named postmaster and sells his <italic>Spirit of the Times</italic> to Lucas Seaver. City The first school built by the Board of Education opens. ** William Kirkland and his wife, author Caroline Matilda Stansbury Kirkland leave Michigan after failing to make a financial success there out of the new town of Pinckney, arrive in New York. ** Immigrant German Jews form B'nai B'rith. State The state geological survey of the First District (Hudson Valley counties), compiled by William W. Mather, Caleb Briggs, J. Lang Cassels and ______ Seymour, is published. The Fourth District report (western New York), prepared by Joseph Hall, J. W. Boyd and E. N. Horsford, is published. ** Dr. John Torry publishes the report of the State Botanical Department. ** State Paleontologist T. A. Conrad reisgns and is replaced by Professor James Hall. ** When his wife dies General William Kerley Strong sells Geneva's Rose Hill Farm. ** The state founds its first lunatic asylum, Utica State Hospital. ** New York physician Elijah J. Smith settled in DuPage County, Illinois, on an unclaimed 80 acres, the future town center of Itasca. ** Western photographer William Henry Jackson is born in Keeseville. Rochester The city acquires Mason Street property for a hay scale, and widens Bugle Alley, home of burgeoning handicraft shops, changing its name to Works Street. ** A three-story post office is erected on Works Street, next to the Reynolds Arcade. ** The city annexes part of the town of Gates, increasing its own area to 7.57 square miles. <bold>1844</bold> Apr 4 Fourierists convene in New York City's Clinton Hall and elect George Ripley as their president and Charles A. Dana, Parke Godwin and Horace Greeley as vice-presidents. May The polka is introduced to the U. S. at New York City's Chatham Theatre. Jul 27 Three Long Island Railroad (LIRR) excursion trains arrive in Greenport, having made the first trip on the line from Brooklyn in 3 1/2 hours rather than the expected five. Nov 25 Alfred Bunn and Michael William Balfes' <italic>The Bohemian Girl</italic> opens in New York City's Park Theatre. City The first terminal of the Atlantic Dock Company is completed. ** Brooklyn's Atlantic Avenue subway tunnel is built. ** Publisher James Harper is elected Native Party mayor of the city for a one-year term, defeating Locofoco Party candidate Jonathan I. Coddington and Whig Morris Franklin. ** The New-York Gallery of Fine Arts is founded to preserve the collection of the late merchant-patron Luman Reed. State The University of Albany is founded. ** The Rochester & Tonawanda Railroad builds a spur to link its Rochester terminal with the Auburn & Rochester, several blocks away, finally linking Buffalo and Albany by rail. ** Charles Horton becomes the sole proprietor of the <italic>Angelica Reporter</italic>. Angelica's<italic>Republican Era</italic> begins publication, is published for a short time. Control of the State Library, containing around 10,000 volumes, is transferred from state appointed trustees to the Regents of the University, headed by Dr. T. Romeyn Beck. ** Representative Millard Fillmore is defeated in his bid for the governorship. ** General Peter Porter, a commander during the War of 1812, dies at his Niagara Falls home at the age of 74. ** The abolitionist Liberty Party nominates James Gillespie Birney of New York for president. Rochester Front Street's Cottage Hotel opens. ** The first ErieCanal bridge at Exchange Street is built. ** Clarissa Street iscreated. ** The city annexes the west side of the Genesee River Gorge and part of the Lexington Avenue area as far north as the Ridge Road area, increasing its own area to 7.65 square miles.</fontfamily> David Minor Eagles Byte Historical Research Rochester, New York 716 264-0423 http://home.eznet.net/~dminor From [log in to unmask] Tue Apr 15 10:14:42 1997 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from IRIS.RFMH.ORG by unix10 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id KAA14376; Tue, 15 Apr 1997 10:14:40 -0400 Message-Id: <199704151414.KAA14376@unix10> Received: from IRIS.RFMH.ORG by IRIS.RFMH.ORG (IBM VM SMTP V2R3) with BSMTP id 8341; Tue, 15 Apr 97 10:14:06 EDT Received: from iris.rfmh.org (NJE origin MHMARTIN@NKI) by IRIS.RFMH.ORG (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 4474; Tue, 15 Apr 1997 10:14:06 -0400 Date: Tue, 15 Apr 97 10:08:28 EDT From: Daniel Martin <[log in to unmask]> Subject: An Idea To: [log in to unmask] content-length: 855 I went to the web site that has that 1950 inventory of the historical markers and printed out quite a few pages. My thought is that I could use these in planning my frequent bicycle trips in the warm weather. It then occurred to me that probably bicycle groups all across the state would be ideal to use as a resource of verifying the list. For example, a Saturday ride in Saratoga County with each rider having a list of signs for that county. When a sign is encountered, the list is checked to see if it's on or not, and is checked or added as needed. I'm going to contact the local group in the Capital District, I think they are called the Mohawk-Hudson Wheelmen or some such and I guess if others think it's worth it, they could do the same with their local bike clubs. Is Phil Lord the person that people would report results to ? Dan Martin From [log in to unmask] Tue Apr 15 14:56:29 1997 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from MAIL.NYSED.GOV by unix10 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id OAA16179; Tue, 15 Apr 1997 14:56:28 -0400 Received: from DOMAIN1-Message_Server by MAIL.NYSED.GOV with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 15 Apr 1997 14:57:21 -0400 Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]> X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 14:56:03 -0400 From: Phil Lord <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: Roadside historical markers -Reply -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline content-length: 603 I can share one's concerns about a state program [control, expense, etc.], but the very lack of a full inventory of markers is the result of the democratic process of anyone with $400 to spend erecting a marker, and no central listing. Someone has to require reporting of erected text, and the only hook is funding and approval. That is the link. It is not to be restrictive in the negative sense; just to make sure everything is recorded and that signs that look official reflect some consistent standards. A French and Indian War era trench system is one thing; a 1890s house run as a B&B is another. From [log in to unmask] Tue Apr 15 15:03:44 1997 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from sv01dnyalb.er.usgs.gov by unix10 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id PAA16352; Tue, 15 Apr 1997 15:03:42 -0400 Received: from localhost (sv1snysst.er.usgs.gov [130.11.64.50]) by sv01dnyalb.er.usgs.gov (Geomail 1.2.3) with ESMTP id PAA11879 for <[log in to unmask]>; Tue, 15 Apr 1997 15:02:12 -0400 Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.5.2 12/21/94 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: Stewart Manor Vote In-reply-to: <Pine.PCW.3.91.970414155820.12375B-100000@test-1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 15:04:04 -0400 From: "Robert B Winowitch, Hydrologic Technician, Coram, NY "<[log in to unmask]> content-length: 1702 Melinda, try contacting Newsday, several different ways. 1. 1-800-2findout, Back articles or photos, special research by Newsday editorial library. 2. http://www.newsday.com, searchable archives. 3. Main switchboard- 516/843-2020 This info is from page 2 of todays paper. Newsday usually publishes a pretty good breakdown of most major local and national elections a day or two after an election. Don't remember that particular election, I only delivered the paper back then! On Mon, 14 Apr 1997 16:15:08 +0400 (EDT) Melinda Yates said: > > A writer is trying to find out how the village of Stewart Manor > (Nassau County) voted in the 1964 U.S. Senate race between Kenneth > Keating and Robert Kennedy. > > The Legislative Manual does not list results at the village level. > The New York State Archives does not have village results, and they are > not available at the Nassau County Board of Elections or the Clerk's > office in Stewart Manor. > > It is the writer's belief that Stewart Manor -- normally a Republican > stronghold -- went for Kennedy in 1964, largely because of the > village's Irish voters. But he would like to find the figures to > support his memory. His memoir is to be published in a forthcoming > book on the Irish in America. > > The State Library does not have microfilm of the Long Island Press or > Newsday for 1964. > > Does anyone know of a source where I might find this information? > > Thank you for your help. > > > Melinda Yates > Reference Librarian > NYS Library > (518)474-5959 From [log in to unmask] Tue Apr 15 15:11:44 1997 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from MAIL.NYSED.GOV by unix10 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id PAA16514; Tue, 15 Apr 1997 15:11:43 -0400 Received: from DOMAIN1-Message_Server by MAIL.NYSED.GOV with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 15 Apr 1997 15:12:34 -0400 Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]> X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 15:11:44 -0400 From: Phil Lord <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask] Subject: RE: Roadside historical markers -Reply -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline content-length: 205 Yes, any updates from any source would be well received. We are collecting field reports. If we get a volunteer to enter the data, we can revise the list and update any webites on which these are running. From [log in to unmask] Tue Apr 15 15:20:19 1997 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from bighorn.accessnv.com by unix10 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id PAA16568; Tue, 15 Apr 1997 15:20:16 -0400 Received: from [205.199.152.174] (ppp092.anv.net [205.199.152.174]) by bighorn.accessnv.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id MAA12658 for <[log in to unmask]>; Tue, 15 Apr 1997 12:18:27 +0100 Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 12:18:27 +0100 Message-Id: <v03007801af5044d6b53c@[205.199.152.174]> In-Reply-To: <v03007800af745de3d880@[207.50.130.59]> References: <[log in to unmask]> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: [log in to unmask] From: Geri Kanner <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: Roadside historical markers -Reply content-length: 254 Dear David I have a question while looking through my local obits (current) I noticed a lot of the people who died orig. came from back east.. would it be ok to post them to the lists? as someone might be looking for that info? GeriRyerson Kanner From [log in to unmask] Tue Apr 15 17:15:38 1997 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from emout10.mail.aol.com by unix10 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id RAA17046; Tue, 15 Apr 1997 17:15:37 -0400 From: [log in to unmask] Received: (from root@localhost) by emout10.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id RAA27469 for [log in to unmask]; Tue, 15 Apr 1997 17:16:03 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 17:16:03 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: Stewart Manor Vote content-length: 1081 I was the editor of The Westbury Times in Nassau County at the time JFK ran, I conducted a telephone survey that indicated Democrat Kennedy might well carry usually Republican Westbury. My recollection is that the actual vote confirmed the survey's predicted unusually strong voting power of JFK in that then GOP stronghold. I also seem to recall that the way I confirmed the results involved my studying the Election District returns of which the local board keeps a record. Depending upon whether they are running in Presidential election year, local office races also provide closer-to-village-size districts. Congressional Districts, State Senate, Assembly Districts provide tallies how heads of tickets are doing, providing coat-tails up or dragging down the locals. Usually the local community papers in their next issue tell their readers how their area voted with big headlines and lots of detail and analysis. Because by then, everyone knows who won; the only question is how my vote, by neighborhood, by community figured in the outcome. Tom McCarthy ([log in to unmask]) From [log in to unmask] Tue Apr 15 19:09:10 1997 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from pppmail.appliedtheory.com by unix10 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id TAA17149; Tue, 15 Apr 1997 19:09:09 -0400 Received: from behavior by pppmail.appliedtheory.com (8.6.12/3.1.090690-Applied Theory Communications) id TAA12037; Tue, 15 Apr 1997 19:13:26 -0400 Message-ID: <[log in to unmask]> Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 06:38:43 -0400 From: "Robert V. Shear" <[log in to unmask]> Reply-To: [log in to unmask] Organization: NY History Net (http://www.NYHistory.com) X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: Roadside historical markers -Reply References: <[log in to unmask]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit content-length: 425 NATALIE A. NAYLOR wrote: > > Hope this information may be helpful if you compile a list. > Natalie Naylor, LI Studies Institute, Hofstra University, Hempstead, NY 11550 > If anyone has access to these (or similar) documents, I'd be happy to scan them and post them at NY History Net. US Mail address is PO Box 1011, Syracuse 13201. I'd be even happier to post material that someone else has scanned. Bob Shear From [log in to unmask] Wed Apr 16 10:58:53 1997 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from MAIL.NYSED.GOV by unix10 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id KAA01407; Wed, 16 Apr 1997 10:58:52 -0400 Received: from DOMAIN1-Message_Server by MAIL.NYSED.GOV with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 16 Apr 1997 10:59:46 -0400 Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]> X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 10:58:26 -0400 From: David Palmquist <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: Roadside historical markers -Reply -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline content-length: 1348 Re : What other states are doing in historical markers: The Connecticut Historical Commission completed a program in 1981 to install one large bronze marker in every city and town containing a capsule history of that muncipality. Marker size was approximately 4 x 4 feet. These markers were funded by the Legislature, and the Commission's staff involved local writers in a vigorous editing and review of proposed text. The Conn. Dept. of Transportation placed smaller bronze markers around the state in the 1950s and 60s. David O. White, Ph.D., at the Conn. Historical Commission can supply a 12-page list which contains locations and an abbreviated description of the text for about 128 markers. Phone 860-566-3005. The Commission is now completing a series of "Freedom Trail" marker installations commerating sites important in the state's African-American history. Many are sites on the Underground Railroad. This was also funded by the Legislature and involves large roadside metal markers (3 x 4 feet) and smaller wall-mounted plaques for houses. It is worth noting that many private homeowners and all cemeteries declined the proposed plaques when offered. Contact David White for more info. Let it be said there is no easy road to a successful roadside marker program! David Palmquist NYS Archives Albany, NY 518-474-5141 From [log in to unmask] Wed Apr 16 13:37:08 1997 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from mailer.syr.edu by unix10 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id NAA02040; Wed, 16 Apr 1997 13:37:06 -0400 Received: from forbin.syr.edu by mailer.syr.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1a) with SMTP id <[log in to unmask]>; Wed, 16 Apr 1997 13:36:46 -0400 Received: from localhost (gbwagner@localhost) by forbin.syr.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA18629 for <[log in to unmask]>; Wed, 16 Apr 1997 13:36:35 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: forbin.syr.edu: gbwagner owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 13:36:30 -0400 (EDT) From: Wagner <[log in to unmask]> X-Sender: [log in to unmask] To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: NYNY 1841-1844 In-Reply-To: <v03007801af788fade948@[207.50.130.55]> Message-ID: <[log in to unmask]> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII content-length: 12118 I love this site--look forward to reading it every time. Thanks! On Mon, 14 Apr 1997, David Minor wrote: > <fontfamily><param>Geneva</param>A couple notes before we turn to the > time lines: > > > a) You'll notice that the "State" entries for 1843 refer to an > assistant geologist by the name of Seymour. My source, French's state > Gazeteer of 1861, does not provide a first name. If anyone out there, a > Seymour perhaps, knows the name, maybe they can let the rest of us > know. > > > b) Shortly after posting the information for the 1830s, I received the > following post from Philip G. Terrie, author of Forever Wild: > Environmental Aesthetics and the Adirondack Forest Preserve > (Philadelphia, Temple University Press, 1985): > > > "I have a slight quarrel with your account of the steps leading up to > the first ascent of Mount Marcy. At the beginning of field work in > 1836, the "High Peak of Essex" was not known to exist. William Redfield > spotted it in August of that year as he was exploring in the vicinity > of the McIntyre iron works. Ebenezer Emmons was not with Redfield that > year, but he sighted Marcy from Whiteface about a month later. There > was no expedition in 1836 that set out to climb Marcy. The trip that > had both Redfield and Emmons passing through Clear Pond (where it's > doubtful they would have been with Cheney and Holt) occurred in 1837, > when they returned to the McIntyre works and successfully climbed the > mountain that Emmons named Marcy." > > > Our thanks to Phil for setting the record straight. > > > Now, on to the chronologies ! > > > <bold>1841</bold> > > Apr 10 > > Horace Greeley founds the New York <italic>Tribune </italic>. > > > July > > The Auburn & Rochester Railroad reaches Geneva, out of Rochester. > > > Jul 25 > > New York City cigar stand clerk Mary Cecilia Rogers disappears. > > > Jul 28 > > The body of the strangled Mary Rogers is found in the Hudson River. The > crime is never solved. Edgar Allan Poe, a customer of the cigar stand, > will base <italic>The Mystery of Marie Roget </italic>on the case. > > > August > > The Auburn & Rochester Railroad reaches Seneca Falls. ** Scottish > geologist Sir Charles Lytell visits the Rochester area. > > > Aug 9 > > The Lake Erie steamboat <italic>Erie </italic>leaves Buffalo, headed > for Chicago. It catches on fire off Silver Creek; 215 people are > killed. > > > September > > The Auburn & Rochester Railroad reaches Waterloo. > > > October > > The first Seneca County Agricultural Fair is held, alternates among > various county towns until permanently settling in Waterloo in 1870. > > > Nov 4 > > The Auburn & Rochester Railroad reaches Auburn. > > > December > > Canandaigua merchants petition the Auburn & Rochester Railroad for at > least one freight train a week to pick up shipments, challenging the > monopoly of canal interests. > > > > City > > A fire in Astoria, Queens, destroys the roofs of four buildings. ** > The brig <italic>John Gilpin</italic> runs aground in the harbor > during a storm. ** Democrat Robert H. Morris is elected mayor for > each of the next three one-year terms. > > > State > > Brockport Collegiate Institute opens. ** Samuel C. > Wilson's<italic>Angelica Reporter </italic>newspaper<italic> > </italic>is bought by Horace E. Purdy and Charles Horton. ** The > Dansville Branch (Side-cut) of the Genesee Valley Canal links Dansville > with Shaker Settlement (Sonyea). ** Macedon's Erie Canal Lock 60 > is built. ** The Long Island Railroad (LIRR), having resumed work > early in the year after a hiatus due to the 1837 financial panic, has > tracks extended to Farmingdale by the end of the year, as well as laid > west from Greenport. ** Wayne County peppermint farmer Peter Hill > moves his private grocery building of the way of the Erie Canal > enlargement. ** Wyoming County is created out of Genesee County. > > > Rochester > > The Smith-Perkins and Pitkin-Powers mansions are completed. ** > English-born Toronto carpenter William Williams moves to town. > > > > <bold>1842</bold> > > Jan 11 > > Philosopher-psychologist William James is born in New York City at the > Astor House hotel, to Henry and Mary Walsh James. > > > Feb 24 > > Editor-novelist-playwright John Habberton is born in Brooklyn. > > > March > > Henry James (father of William, and later of author Henry) makes the > acquaintance of Ralph Waldo Emerson, beginning a long frienmdship. > > > Jul 4 > > The Croton Aqueduct System is completed. Croton water first reaches > New York; the city is no longer dependent on well water. > > > Jul 11 > > Poet Henry Abbey is born in Kingston. > > > Aug 9 > > The Webster-Ashburton Treaty settles British-U. S. boundary disputes > over Maine, Minnesota and New York. The 1774 Canada-New York boundary > is restored and Albert Smith (U. S.) and J. B. B. Estcourt (Britain) > are assigned to a new survey. > > > Nov 18 > > A fire breaks out at New York City's Tombs Prison. The body of > condemned murderer John C. Colt, brother of inventor Samuel Colt, is > found with a knife in his heart. Rumors persist that the "suicide" was > faked and that Colt had escaped. > > > > City > > Isaiah Roger's Merchants' Exchange is erected on the Wall Street site > of the First Merchants' Exchange, destroyed in the 1834 fire. ** > Town, Davis and Frazee's Customs House is erected on the site of the > old City Hall, on Wall Street. ** The New York Philharmonic is > founded. ** Phineas Taylor Barnum opens the American Museum, > features Charles S. Stratton (Tom Thumb). ** Sweets Restaurant > opens in lower Manhattan. ** A stove fire destroys the building > at 231 Water Street. > > > State > > The first U. S. grain elevator is built at Buffalo. ** Henry > Wells organizes Wells and Company, a freight express outfit. ** > The steamboat <italic>Lady of the Lake</italic> is launched. ** > Geologist Amos Eaton dies. ** Reports of the state geological > survey are published: the Second District (Adirondacks counties) by Dr. > Ebenezer Emmons, Ebenezer Emmons, Jr. and James Hall; and the Third > District (central New York counties) by Lardner Van Uxem, James Eights > and S. Can. ** Dr. Lewis C. Beck, William Horton and L. D. Gale > issue the report of the New York State Mineralogical Department. ** > Dr. James E. DeKay and John W. Hill begin publishing the report ofthe > Zoological Department. It will come out in five volumes over the next > year. ** Erastus S. Palmer begins publishing Angelica's > <italic>Allegany Co. Advocate. </italic> ** Syracuse raises its > water rates. Captain Oliver Teall finally agrees to accept a 35-year > franchise top provide the city's water, starts Syracuse City Waterworks > Company. ** The Presbyterian Synod of Genesee begins stewardship > over the Le Roy Female Seminary (later Ingham University). ** > Rensselaerville's Presbyterian Church is built. ** Stephen > Olmsted opens a plaster plant in Oakfield. > > > Albany > > A new State Hall, built to hold various government offices, including > those of canal commissioners, is completed at an approximate cost of > $350,000. The old State Hall is converted to a geological hall. ** > The Meneely bell is cast for the main Dwelling House of the Shaker > Community at Watervliet. > > > Rochester > > The Erie Canal aqueduct over the Genesee River is completed. ** > The O'Rorke family arrives from Ireland, settles in the Irish "Dublin" > section. > > > > <bold>1843</bold> > > Apr 15 > > Novelist Henry James is born at 21 Washington Place in New York City. > > > September > > Batavia newspaper publisher Frederick Follett is named postmaster and > sells his <italic>Spirit of the Times</italic> to Lucas Seaver. > > > City > > The first school built by the Board of Education opens. ** > William Kirkland and his wife, author Caroline Matilda Stansbury > Kirkland leave Michigan after failing to make a financial success there > out of the new town of Pinckney, arrive in New York. ** > Immigrant German Jews form B'nai B'rith. > > > State > > The state geological survey of the First District (Hudson Valley > counties), compiled by William W. Mather, Caleb Briggs, J. Lang Cassels > and ______ Seymour, is published. The Fourth District report (western > New York), prepared by Joseph Hall, J. W. Boyd and E. N. Horsford, is > published. ** Dr. John Torry publishes the report of the State > Botanical Department. ** State Paleontologist T. A. Conrad reisgns > and is replaced by Professor James Hall. ** When his wife dies > General William Kerley Strong sells Geneva's Rose Hill Farm. ** > The state founds its first lunatic asylum, Utica State Hospital. ** > New York physician Elijah J. Smith settled in DuPage County, > Illinois, on an unclaimed 80 acres, the future town center of Itasca. > ** Western photographer William Henry Jackson is born in > Keeseville. > > > Rochester > > The city acquires Mason Street property for a hay scale, and widens > Bugle Alley, home of burgeoning handicraft shops, changing its name to > Works Street. ** A three-story post office is erected on Works > Street, next to the Reynolds Arcade. ** The city annexes part of > the town of Gates, increasing its own area to 7.57 square miles. > > > > <bold>1844</bold> > > Apr 4 > > Fourierists convene in New York City's Clinton Hall and elect George > Ripley as their president and Charles A. Dana, Parke Godwin and Horace > Greeley as vice-presidents. > > > May > > The polka is introduced to the U. S. at New York City's Chatham > Theatre. > > > Jul 27 > > Three Long Island Railroad (LIRR) excursion trains arrive in Greenport, > having made the first trip on the line from Brooklyn in 3 1/2 hours > rather than the expected five. > > > Nov 25 > > Alfred Bunn and Michael William Balfes' <italic>The Bohemian > Girl</italic> opens in New York City's Park Theatre. > > > City > > The first terminal of the Atlantic Dock Company is completed. ** > Brooklyn's Atlantic Avenue subway tunnel is built. ** Publisher > James Harper is elected Native Party mayor of the city for a one-year > term, defeating Locofoco Party candidate Jonathan I. Coddington and > Whig Morris Franklin. ** The New-York Gallery of Fine Arts is > founded to preserve the collection of the late merchant-patron Luman > Reed. > > > State > > The University of Albany is founded. ** The Rochester & Tonawanda > Railroad builds a spur to link its Rochester terminal with the Auburn & > Rochester, several blocks away, finally linking Buffalo and Albany by > rail. ** Charles Horton becomes the sole proprietor of the > <italic>Angelica Reporter</italic>. Angelica's<italic>Republican > Era</italic> begins publication, is published for a short time. > Control of the State Library, containing around 10,000 volumes, is > transferred from state appointed trustees to the Regents of the > University, headed by Dr. T. Romeyn Beck. ** Representative > Millard Fillmore is defeated in his bid for the governorship. ** > General Peter Porter, a commander during the War of 1812, dies at his > Niagara Falls home at the age of 74. ** The abolitionist Liberty > Party nominates James Gillespie Birney of New York for president. > > > Rochester > > Front Street's Cottage Hotel opens. ** The first ErieCanal bridge > at Exchange Street is built. ** Clarissa Street iscreated. ** > The city annexes the west side of the Genesee River Gorge and part of > the Lexington Avenue area as far north as the Ridge Road area, > increasing its own area to 7.65 square miles.</fontfamily> > > David Minor > > Eagles Byte Historical Research > > Rochester, New York > > 716 264-0423 > > > http://home.eznet.net/~dminor > > From [log in to unmask] Wed Apr 16 19:37:11 1997 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from Shell.TeleNet.Net by unix10 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id TAA03027; Wed, 16 Apr 1997 19:37:10 -0400 Received: from lizard (Dialup180.TeleNet.NET [204.97.153.180]) by Shell.TeleNet.Net (8.7.6/8.6.12) with SMTP id TAA20397 for <[log in to unmask]>; Wed, 16 Apr 1997 19:38:58 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <[log in to unmask]> Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 19:27:01 -0700 From: Anne & Les Hendrix <[log in to unmask]> Reply-To: [log in to unmask] Organization: Tryon Press X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0C-nnie30 (Win16; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: Roadside historical markers -Reply -Reply References: <[log in to unmask]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit content-length: 470 The Schoharie County Bicentennial Committee replaced "lost" markers in our county, using a 1930's (I believe) list on file at our local museum, The Old Stone Fort. The project has been completed. I would be glad to send you a complete listing, if you desire. We were surprised to learn that some signs has spent years in various highway garages and would strongly suggest consulting highway superintendents before ordering any signs. Anne Hendrix [log in to unmask] From [log in to unmask] Thu Apr 17 00:37:05 1997 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from Shell.TeleNet.Net by unix10 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id AAA03747; Thu, 17 Apr 1997 00:37:04 -0400 Received: from lizard (Dialup188.TeleNet.NET [204.97.153.188]) by Shell.TeleNet.Net (8.7.6/8.6.12) with SMTP id AAA04443 for <[log in to unmask]>; Thu, 17 Apr 1997 00:38:54 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <[log in to unmask]> Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 00:38:18 -0700 From: Anne & Les Hendrix <[log in to unmask]> Reply-To: [log in to unmask] Organization: Tryon Press X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0C-nnie30 (Win16; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: Stewart Manor Vote References: <Pine.PCW.3.91.970414155820.12375B-100000@test-1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit content-length: 1826 Melinda Yates wrote: > > A writer is trying to find out how the village of Stewart Manor > (Nassau County) voted in the 1964 U.S. Senate race between Kenneth > Keating and Robert Kennedy. > > The Legislative Manual does not list results at the village level. > The New York State Archives does not have village results, and they are > not available at the Nassau County Board of Elections or the Clerk's > office in Stewart Manor. > > It is the writer's belief that Stewart Manor -- normally a Republican > stronghold -- went for Kennedy in 1964, largely because of the > village's Irish voters. But he would like to find the figures to > support his memory. His memoir is to be published in a forthcoming > book on the Irish in America. > > The State Library does not have microfilm of the Long Island Press or > Newsday for 1964. > > Does anyone know of a source where I might find this information? > > Thank you for your help. > > Melinda Yates > Reference Librarian > NYS Library > (518)474-5959 I work for Schoharie County Board of Elections. While I realize we are much smaller than Nassau some of the same laws apply. We are all required by law to keep "forever" election results, and boundry maps. Stewart Manor, may be in the Town of Hempstead, for instance, you would then need to know what Election Districts or precincts make up that area you call Stewart Manor, but I am sure you could get results of that election by district from Nassau county, as well as a map of the districts/precincts for the town in 1964. County Boards of Elections operate on a Town level and the person you contacted may have never heard of Stewart Manor. --Anne Hendrix From [log in to unmask] Thu Apr 17 08:35:42 1997 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from emout13.mail.aol.com by unix10 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id IAA04031; Thu, 17 Apr 1997 08:35:41 -0400 From: [log in to unmask] Received: (from root@localhost) by emout13.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id IAA09926 for [log in to unmask]; Thu, 17 Apr 1997 08:36:10 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 08:36:10 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: Cemetery Preservation in NYS? -Reply content-length: 734 Hello, This is just a matter for thought..There is a cemetery on Long Island that was the grave site for many folks who died in a ship wreck (late 1800's), and a memorial was built listing the number of bodies buried there and where they could, the names. They church that held the records for that cemetery burned and records lost. SInce then names have been sanded off(I was informed of that by the local historian) and the area used for "the newly departed". Actually because of the "lost records" folks, myself included, have been unable to locate family members buried there in the 1800's and a closed cemetery is fully in business. Possibly there should be more done to protect the past. From [log in to unmask] Thu Apr 17 16:56:52 1997 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from emout07.mail.aol.com by unix10 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id QAA05335; Thu, 17 Apr 1997 16:56:51 -0400 From: [log in to unmask] Received: (from root@localhost) by emout07.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id QAA24745 for [log in to unmask]; Thu, 17 Apr 1997 16:57:20 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 16:57:20 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Gloversville/Mohawk Valley History content-length: 151 Will the professor from SUNY Albany who wanted the glove cutters please e-mail me again. I have lost your e-mail address. Les Buell [log in to unmask] From [log in to unmask] Thu Apr 17 16:58:31 1997 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from emout17.mail.aol.com by unix10 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id QAA05353; Thu, 17 Apr 1997 16:58:30 -0400 From: [log in to unmask] Received: (from root@localhost) by emout17.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id QAA19620 for [log in to unmask]; Thu, 17 Apr 1997 16:58:58 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 16:58:58 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: An Idea content-length: 71 Where is the www site of the 1950 historical markers? [log in to unmask] From [log in to unmask] Fri Apr 18 08:45:59 1997 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from emout03.mail.aol.com by unix10 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id IAA06789; Fri, 18 Apr 1997 08:45:57 -0400 From: [log in to unmask] Received: (from root@localhost) by emout03.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id IAA09867 for [log in to unmask]; Fri, 18 Apr 1997 08:46:27 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 08:46:27 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Rev. Robert McDowall content-length: 497 I am seeking information about the Rev. Robert McDowall, appointed about 1790 by the Classis of Albany, Reformed Church in America, to minister to the Tories who had fled to Canada. He later (1820) became part of the Presbyterian Church in Canada and, I believe, was a founder of the University of Toronto. I will be spending my sabbatical (June-July-August) learning what I can about McDowell and revisiting the places where he established churches along the St. Lawrence River. Donald R. Baird From [log in to unmask] Fri Apr 18 08:46:24 1997 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from emout15.mail.aol.com by unix10 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id IAA06806; Fri, 18 Apr 1997 08:46:23 -0400 From: [log in to unmask] Received: (from root@localhost) by emout15.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id IAA21003 for [log in to unmask]; Fri, 18 Apr 1997 08:46:52 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 08:46:52 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: Cemetery Preservation in NYS? -Reply content-length: 441 I am not sure if it is the same cemetery, but there is a large cemetery in Brooklyn in which there is a large memorial to those lost in a tragic East River (?) fire/accident in the late 1800's. Having lived on Long Island for 10 years, I had occasion to visit that cemetery more than once. Also, being a clergy type, I don't know of any cemetery (church related or not) where names would be removed from a memorial "in order to make room." From [log in to unmask] Fri Apr 18 09:54:23 1997 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from MAIL.NYSED.GOV by unix10 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id JAA07403; Fri, 18 Apr 1997 09:54:23 -0400 Received: from DOMAIN1-Message_Server by MAIL.NYSED.GOV with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 18 Apr 1997 09:55:19 -0400 Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]> X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 09:54:30 -0400 From: Phil Lord <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: An Idea -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline content-length: 87 Historic marker listing on the web: http://www.rpi.edu/~marksp2/history/nystate3.html From [log in to unmask] Fri Apr 18 10:04:32 1997 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from emout14.mail.aol.com by unix10 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id KAA07439; Fri, 18 Apr 1997 10:04:27 -0400 From: [log in to unmask] Received: (from root@localhost) by emout14.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id KAA17197 for [log in to unmask]; Fri, 18 Apr 1997 10:04:57 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 10:04:57 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: Cemetery Preservation in NYS? -Reply content-length: 226 Hello, No, this cemetery is on Long Island and as I am at work, can't give the name of the ship. It was lost off of the Rockaways, during the winter. Many of the bodies were stored in garages etc. until they could be buried. From [log in to unmask] Fri Apr 18 16:35:32 1997 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net by unix10 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id QAA08387; Fri, 18 Apr 1997 16:35:31 -0400 Received: from worldnet.worldnet.att.net ([207.116.205.249]) by mtigwc04.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with ESMTP id AAA8755 for <[log in to unmask]>; Fri, 18 Apr 1997 20:35:58 +0000 From: "Jerry Reed" <[log in to unmask]> To: <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: An Idea Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 16:36:32 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <[log in to unmask]> content-length: 563 I have a link directly to the markers list on the Otsego County NY GenWeb page. The URL is listed directly below my name. Hope this helps. You'll find it about 3/4 of the way down the initial index page. Jerry Reed -Whitesboro NY - reply to: [log in to unmask] Visit the Otsego County NYGenWeb Genealogy Page: http://www.rootsweb.com/~nyotsego ---------- > From: [log in to unmask] > To: [log in to unmask] > Subject: Re: An Idea > Date: Thursday, April 17, 1997 4:58 PM > > Where is the www site of the 1950 historical markers? [log in to unmask] From [log in to unmask] Sat Apr 19 17:59:53 1997 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from francomm.com by unix10 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id RAA10295; Sat, 19 Apr 1997 17:59:52 -0400 Received: from pchast.francomm.com by francomm.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id SAA03163; Sat, 19 Apr 1997 18:00:35 -0400 Message-ID: <[log in to unmask]> Date: Sat, 19 Apr 1997 17:59:38 -0400 From: Peter Chast <[log in to unmask]> Reply-To: [log in to unmask] Organization: Chast Computing Services X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: Cemetery Preservation in NYS? References: <[log in to unmask]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit content-length: 629 Densmore wrote: > > Can anyone on the list suggest resources on cemetary preservation in New > York State, particularly anything that discusses the establishment of > ownership of rural and/or abandoned cemeteries? Thanks. > > Christopher Densmore > University Archives > University at Buffalo > 420 Capen Hall > Box 602200 > Buffalo, New York 14260-2200 > > Voice: 716-645-2916 > Fax: 716-645-3714 > E-Mail: [log in to unmask] Did you get any reply's There is a small plot on my property I've wondered what is right? looking for data. thanks.. -- Peter M. Chast [log in to unmask] Chast Computing Services From [log in to unmask] Sun Apr 20 15:43:07 1997 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from emout13.mail.aol.com by unix10 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id PAA11584; Sun, 20 Apr 1997 15:43:05 -0400 From: [log in to unmask] Received: (from root@localhost) by emout13.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id PAA21928 for [log in to unmask]; Sun, 20 Apr 1997 15:43:34 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 15:43:34 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask] Subject: historical markers content-length: 994 The Town of Fairfield celebrated a successful Bicentennial last year and now the Bicentennial committee finds itself with hard earned funds to spend on a town project. We would like to purchase roadside markers to place by historically significant sites in Fairfield. This project has the blessings of the Town Board and now we must seek some information. In Fairfield there remain only two of the signs erected by the state many years ago. We had something similar in mind and we were told that a cast iron sign like the old state signs would coast in the neighborhood of $700. At this price, of course, we would not be able to purchase many. Can anyone recommend some places that produce such signage? Any suggestions on other materials that could be used? Would the DOT be in charge of the legal aspect of placing these signs? Any comments or suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Thank you. Jane Dieffenbacher P.O. Box 1 Middleville, NY 13406 315-891-3974 [log in to unmask] From [log in to unmask] Sun Apr 20 15:53:47 1997 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from emout19.mail.aol.com by unix10 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id PAA11612; Sun, 20 Apr 1997 15:53:46 -0400 From: [log in to unmask] Received: (from root@localhost) by emout19.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id PAA12268 for [log in to unmask]; Sun, 20 Apr 1997 15:54:18 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 15:54:18 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Archival Preservation content-length: 1046 In addition to historical markers, the Town of Fairfield would like to preserve in the best possible manner the first two Town Record books, dating from 1796. The pages have lasted quite well, as old paper does, but the books have no hard covers. We would like each page preserved in mylar or whatever is the best material and also to have them bound. Any suggestions? What agency might provide information? Are there any outstanding, reputable book binders that are recommended? Both books have been transcribed and copied, and these copies have been distributed to the Herkimer County Historical Society and area libraries. We do not fear the loss of the information. But we would like to keep the originals as they should properly be kept. They have been through many strange, interesting, and extremely scary experiences in the last two hundred years. Any suggestions to point us in the right direction will be greatly appreciated. Jane Dieffenbacher Town Historian P.O. Box 1 Middleville, NY 13406 315-891-3974 [log in to unmask] From [log in to unmask] Mon Apr 21 12:23:43 1997 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from VAXC.HOFSTRA.EDU by unix10 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id MAA13783; Mon, 21 Apr 1997 12:23:39 -0400 Received: from vaxc.hofstra.edu by vaxc.hofstra.edu (PMDF V5.0-8 #15259) id <[log in to unmask]> for [log in to unmask]; Mon, 21 Apr 1997 12:23:58 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 12:23:58 -0400 (EDT) From: "NATALIE A. NAYLOR" <[log in to unmask]> Subject: LI cemetery/shipwreck To: [log in to unmask] Message-id: <[log in to unmask]> X-VMS-To: IN%"[log in to unmask]" X-VMS-Cc: NUCNZN MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT content-length: 575 John Barber and Henry Howe in "Historical Collections of the State of New York," 1841 (reprinted in 1960s) have information on the shipwrecks of the "Bristol" and "Mexico" in 1836-37 and the monument in the Sand Hole Church Cemetery (now Rockville Cemetery in Lynbrook) to the 199 who died in those wrecks off the Far Rockaway and Hempstead beaches. They do not list names but do have the inscription on the monument. Natalie Naylor, LI Studies Institute, Hofstra [log in to unmask] From [log in to unmask] Mon Apr 21 10:49:36 1997 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from unix2.nysed.gov by unix10 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id KAA13678; Mon, 21 Apr 1997 10:49:35 -0400 Received: from dos50.nysed.gov by unix2.nysed.gov (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id KAA02887; Mon, 21 Apr 1997 10:50:09 -0400 Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 10:49:58 +0600 (EDT) From: Barbara Lilley <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: Archival Preservation In-Reply-To: <[log in to unmask]> Message-ID: <[log in to unmask]> X-X-Sender: [log in to unmask] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII content-length: 1867 The New York State Program for the Conservation/Preservation of Library Research Materials funds preservation of local records. We recommend that before you begin treating materials that you apply for funding for a general preservation survey. The next round of applications are due Dec. 5, 1997. I have added you to our mailing list. Applications themselves are usually distributed in August. In addition, I usually conduct grant writing workshops in the fall. You will also receive notification of the dates and times of workshops. I strongly suggest that before you apply that you call me to discuss your proposal. My telephone number is 518-474-6971. Barbara Lilley NYS Conservation/Preservation Program Officer. On Sun, 20 Apr 1997 [log in to unmask] wrote: > In addition to historical markers, the Town of Fairfield would like to > preserve in the best possible manner the first two Town Record books, dating > from 1796. The pages have lasted quite well, as old paper does, but the > books have no hard covers. We would like each page preserved in mylar or > whatever is the best material and also to have them bound. Any suggestions? > What agency might provide information? Are there any outstanding, reputable > book binders that are recommended? > Both books have been transcribed and copied, and these copies have been > distributed to the Herkimer County Historical Society and area libraries. We > do not fear the loss of the information. But we would like to keep the > originals as they should properly be kept. They have been through many > strange, interesting, and extremely scary experiences in the last two hundred > years. Any suggestions to point us in the right direction will be greatly > appreciated. > Jane Dieffenbacher > Town Historian > P.O. Box 1 > Middleville, NY 13406 > 315-891-3974 > [log in to unmask] > From [log in to unmask] Mon Apr 21 17:23:58 1997 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from unix2.nysed.gov by unix10 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id RAA14468; Mon, 21 Apr 1997 17:23:58 -0400 Received: from test-1 by unix2.nysed.gov (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id RAA06157; Mon, 21 Apr 1997 17:24:32 -0400 Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 17:24:20 +0600 (EDT) From: Mary Redmond <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask] cc: [log in to unmask] Subject: RESEARCH RESIDENTS AT THE NEW YORK STATE LIBRARY Message-ID: <Pine.PCW.3.94.970421172241.10535H-100000@test-1> X-X-Sender: [log in to unmask] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII content-length: 3778 This message has also been posted to NYLINE. April 21, 1997 To NYHIST-L subscribers: WOMEN PRISONERS, FAMILY FARMS, MOHICANS, CAMP SAGAMORE, HUDSON VALLEY IMAGES ARE TOPICS FOR NEW YORK STATE LIBRARY RESEARCH RESIDENTS Princeton University Ph.D. candidate Cheryl Hicks is using the collections of the New York State Library to help show how nineteenth century ideas about morality influenced laws on the arrest and incarceration of European immigrant and black women. Hicks is the recipient of one of five 1997/98 New York State Library Research Residency Awards announced today by Interim Director Lee Stanton. The other recipients are: Shirley Dunn, an author, who plans to publish "The Mohicans: People and Places" based on her research at the New York State Library. The new book will detail land transactions, identify influential sachems who appeared often in land records, and contain material about the archeological record. Leila Philip, a university professor and journalist, who is conducting research for her book "The Place", about the farm owned by her family since 1705. Her inventories of papers from the 1820s to the 1970s provide a unique view of the evolution of agriculture and fruit growing in the Hudson Valley. Dr. Michael Wilson, Associate Director of the Sagamore Institute at Camp Sagamore in the Adirondacks, a former private wilderness retreat for some of America's wealthiest entrepreneurs. He hopes to write a history of Sagamore that will assist in the nomination of the camp for National Historic Landmark status, and that will place the camp in the broader context of Adirondack and American history. Walter Wheeler, a graduate of Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, and private architectural practitioner in Troy. He is coordinating the compilation and production of a catalog of historic architectural prints of the Hudson Valley. Images of the prints will be searchable by location, subject, name of artist, and other entry points in a CD-ROM publication. "The New York State Library offers these Research Residency awards to recognize and encourage individual research and to promote the use of our collections in scholarly research," says Stanton. "The Library has a special interest in supporting research and publications relating to the history, culture, environment, and public policy of New York State." "Research Residents receive direct borrowing privileges and access to the reference, database, photoduplication, and interlibrary loan services of the State of New York," adds Linda Braun, Chair of the 1997 New York State Library Research Residency Committee. "Research projects typically develop into books, articles, or public lectures." The New York State Library established its Research Residency awards in 1986. Recent projects include studies of the status of blacks in the Post-Civil War North from 1865-1915, a biography of former Albany Mayor Erastus Corning 2nd, and a book on the Erie Canal. The New York State Library is the largest state library in the nation and the only state library to qualify for membership in the Association of Research Libraries. The State Library's research collection of more than 19 million items includes major holdings in law, medicine, the social sciences, education, American and New York State history and culture, the pure sciences, and technology. Information on the 1998/99 Research Residency Program, for which applications will be due March 1, 1998, is available from Research Residency Committee, New York State Library, State Education Department, Cultural Education Center, Albany, NY 12230; email [log in to unmask] -30- Posted by Mary Redmond, New York State Library, [log in to unmask] From [log in to unmask] Mon Apr 21 20:13:15 1997 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from eideti.com by unix10 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id UAA14956; Mon, 21 Apr 1997 20:13:10 -0400 Received: from annex1-3.infi-net.com (annex1-4.infi-net.com [199.171.97.154]) by eideti.com (8.8.4/8.6.12) with SMTP id UAA04435 for <[log in to unmask]>; Mon, 21 Apr 1997 20:13:40 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]> X-Sender: [log in to unmask] X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 19:09:45 -0400 To: [log in to unmask] From: [log in to unmask] (Susan Walski) Subject: Re: Cemetery Preservation in NYS? -Reply content-length: 323 At Lutheran (All Faiths) Cemetery, there is the General Slocom monument. It pays tribute to a German ship that sank off Manhattan with about 108 dead. Most years, the someone does a memorial service. Susan> Susan Walski Genealogy: The only hobby where finding dead people can excite you! http://www.eideti.com/~swalski From [log in to unmask] Mon Apr 21 21:43:04 1997 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from emout20.mail.aol.com by unix10 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id VAA15256; Mon, 21 Apr 1997 21:43:03 -0400 From: [log in to unmask] Received: (from root@localhost) by emout20.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id VAA20217 for [log in to unmask]; Mon, 21 Apr 1997 21:43:36 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 21:43:36 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Dr. Phebe Oliver content-length: 735 I am looking for information on Dr. Phebe (correct spelling) Oliver, later Dr. Phebe Oliver Briggs. She may have graduated from the Female Medical College (?) in Philadelphia circa 1870. Do the records of this school exist? In the late 1860's, (prior to her graduation from medical college),she may have worked in New York City at the New York Infirmary for Women under Dr. Elizabeth Blackwell. Do the records of this institution exist? She apparently had some connection to the Quakers in Philadelphia as about 1871 she was appointed by them to work with Native Peoples. Are there any records that could confirm this information. Les Buell P.O. Box 303 East Williamson, New York 14449 1-315-589-9776 e-mail [log in to unmask] From [log in to unmask] Mon Apr 21 23:32:50 1997 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from mail1.eznet.net by unix10 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id XAA15746; Mon, 21 Apr 1997 23:32:48 -0400 Received: from [207.50.130.28] (dialup18.roc-tc1.eznet.net [207.50.130.28]) by mail1.eznet.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA04485; Mon, 21 Apr 1997 23:20:18 -0400 Message-Id: <v03007800af81eb0983f5@[207.50.130.12]> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/enriched; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 23:17:11 -0500 To: [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask], just_ask@rochesterD&C.com From: David Minor <[log in to unmask]> Subject: NYNY 1845-1848 content-length: 13045 <fontfamily><param>Geneva</param>Peter Warwick sent the following update. (Items not in the chronologies are just "friends I haven't met yet". I'm always glad to learn of omissions and errors. The timelines are "works in progress" and constantly updated.) Thanks Peter. "You forgot the launch of the Vandalia. The Vandalia, launched in the fall of 1841 (date unknown) at Oswego, was the first American vessel to sail on the Great Lakes using John Ericsson's propeller. On November 20, 1841 the Vandalia left Oswego on its maiden voyage to Hamilton, Ontario, stopping off at Port Dalhousie (now part of St.Catharines) on November 23 and sailing through the First Welland Canal as far as St.Catharines. The Vandalia was originally intended to be a schooner of Welland Canal dimensions. See "The Vandalia And Her Line Mates: Trend Setters" by Richard F. Palmer, Fresh Water: A Journal Of Great Lakes Marine History, Volume 3, Number 2, Winter, 1988, pages 14-20.=20 "It was not, as has often be claimed, the first propeller driven ship to sail on the Great Lakes. That honor goes to, appropriately enough, the Ericsson, built in 1840 at Brockville, Ontario, and made its first voyage to Kingston, on Lake Ontario, on or about June 21, 1841." Peter D.A. Warwick St.Catharines, Ontario, Canada Bike Through The Garden Of Canada [log in to unmask] writer/researcher Now, on with the show. <bold>1845</bold> Jan 29 =09 Edgar Allan Poe's <italic>The Raven </italic>appears in the New York <italic>Evening Mirror</italic>.=20 =46ebruary=09 New York State pioneer Moses Van Campen is stricken with paralysis. Apr 2 =09 The showboat <italic>Temple of the Muses</italic> debuts in New York City's North River. July =09 A fire destroys twenty shops on Rochester's Front and Works streets. Volunteer firemen save the Reynolds Arcade and the steeple of St. Paul's Church. Jul 16 =09 AT&T president Theodore Newton Vail is born in Morristown, New Jersey. September=09 American Temperance Union lecturer John Bartholomew Gough goes to New York City to give a series of lectures. He disappears and is found seven days later, drunk in a "house of ill repute" on Walker Street. He claims he was kidnapped and drugged, and is believed. Sep 20 =09 A tornado sweeps across northern New York State. There are no casualties. Dec 9 =09 Sophia Beatty Rochester, widow of Rochester founder Colonel Nathaniel Rochester, dies at the age of 77. Dec 13 =09 Editor-critic Hamilton Wright Mabie is born in Cold Spring. City=20 =46ort Schuyler, on Throgg's Neck overlooking Long Island Sound is completed, named for American Revolution general Philip Schuyler. ** James Wrigley bcomes a publisher. ** George Templeton Strong becomes a partner in his father George Washington Strong's law firm. =20 ** Sugar dealer William F. Havemeyer defeats Native Party mayor James Harper and Whig Dudley Selden to become the Democratis Party mayor for the next year. ** The <italic>Rainbow</italic>, the first clipper, is launched by John W. Griffiths. ** The law firm of Howland & Aspinwall sues the Federal government for the restoration of 15 tons of rum seized by Customs for having been imported in small casks. State The state legislature authorizes Utica entrepreneur Edward Brodhead to construct a log aqueduct to bring water to the city, but the system is never built. ** Construction begins on the Albany County Penitentiary. ** Congressman Zadock Pratt hires an itinerant stonecutter to carve a bust of him on a bolder near his village, Prattsville. ** The state now has 661 miles of railroad track. =20 ** Captain Harry Whitaker navigates the steamboat <italic>United States </italic>between Buffalo and Detroit, Michigan, for the entire winter, the first boat to do so. ** The population of Genesee County reaches 28,845.=20 Rochester Mason Street is renamed Front Street. ** Susan B. Anthony arrives, to teach school. Syracuse Alexander Jackson Davis' Charles B. Sedgwick house is completed. <bold>1846</bold> =46eb 4 =09 A Mormon party under Samuel Brannan leaves New York City by the ship <italic>Brooklyn</italic> for Yerba Buena (San Francisco). Mar 20 =09 Herman Melville's <italic>Typee </italic>is published in New York City. April =09 The Albany County Penitentiary begins receiving prisoners. Apr 24 =09 Edwin T. Christy's "Ethiopian Minstrels" open at New York City's Palmo's Opera House. Jun 19 =09 The first recorded baseball game in history is played, between the Knickerbockers and the New York Nine, at Hoboken. New Jersey. The Nine wins, 23-1. Umpire Alexander Cartwright fines one player 6=A2 for cursing. Sep 26 =09 Colonel Stevenson and his volunteer settlers sail from New York for California. City The city charter is revised. ** Richard Upjohn's new Trinity Church is erected at Broadway and Wall Street. ** Tobacco tycoon Andrew F. Mickle, running on the Democratic ticket, defeats Whig Robert Taylor and Native Party candidate William B. Cozzens for the office of mayor. ** The city's jurisdiction over underwater lands is extended. ** William Kirkland, editor of the <italic>New York Evening Mirror</italic> and his own <italic>The Christian Inguirer</italic>, near sighted and deaf, accidentally walks off a pier and drowns. State Riga Academy is founded. ** A press festival of printers and newspapermen is held. ** J. K. Richardson is elected surrogate judge of Seneca County. ** Portions of Allegany County become part of Wyoming and Livingston counties. ** Horace E. Purdy begins publishing Oramel's <italic>Republican Era</italic>. ** Dr. Ebenezer Emmons begins publishing the report of the New York State Agricultural Department. ** Millard Fillmore becomes the first chancellor of the University of Buffalo. ** George Brinton McClellan graduates from West Point. ** George Westinghouse, Jr. is born in Central Bridge. Rochester Vessel tonnage operating out of Rochester reaches 3,074 tons. ** =20 Congress Hall opens on Mill Street. ** A Liberty Pole is erected on East Main Street. <bold>1847 </bold> Jan 18 =09 Rochester newspapermen celebrate the 141st anniversary of Benjamin =46ranklin's birth by holding a banquet and collecting reminiscences of printing in New York State, to be published in pamphlet form. May 1 =09 Herman Melville's <italic>Omoo </italic>is published, in New York City. Jun 27 =09 New York City and Boston are linked by telegraph. Jul 1 =09 The first U. S. adhesive postage stamps are sold, in New York City. November=09 The Liberty Party meets in New York City, nominate New Hampshire's John P. Hale and Ohio's Leicester King. Nov 11 =09 The steamer <italic>Phoenix</italic>, loaded with Dutch immigrants, leaves Buffalo onto Lake Erie. =20 Nov 20 =09 The <italic>Phoenix</italic> leaves Manitowac, Wisconsin. Nov 21 =09 The <italic>Phoenix</italic> burns; 207 immigrants die. Dec 14 =09 New York senator D. S. Dickinson introduces resolutions relegating slavery in the territories to the legislatures concerned (popular sovereignty. The resolutions are affirmed. City The approximate date Frederick Newbold Lawrence builds a mansion in Queens' future Oakland Gardens, nanmes it the Oaks. ** Whig fiscal conservative William V. Brady defeats Democrat J. Sherman Brownell and Native Party candidate E. G. Drake to become mayor, serving a one year term. ** John Larkin founds Xavier High School, a Jesuit school for boys, in Holy Name Church, at the intersection of Elizabeth and Walker streets. ** Caroline Matilda Stansbury Kirkland, William Kirkland's widow, becomes editor of <italic>The Union Magazine </italic> ** Violinist Camillo Sivori performs. ** The Fall River Line of steamboats goes into business, running Long Island Sound routes between the city and Fall River, Massachusetts. State Syracuse is incoporated as a city. ** Perfectionist John Humphery Noyes visits his disciple Jonathan Burt's colony at Oneida Creek. Noyes gets the idea for his own utopian colony ** Subscribers raise less than $38,000 for the Utica Water Works Company, only about half of the required amount. Engineer Thomas Hopper raises the rest. <bold>1848</bold> January =09 New York City's Holy Name Church is destroyed by fire. Xavier High School, located in the building, moves to quarters in St. James Church. April =09 The Lake Ontario steamer <italic>Niagara</italic> is nearly wrecked. June<bold> =09 </bold>A new <italic>Ontario</italic> steamboat is launched. Jun 2 =09 The Liberty League convenes in Rochester, nominates the New York's Gerrit Smith and Michigan's Charles E. Foote. Jun 9 =09 The Whigs nominate Zachary Taylor and New York's Millard Fillmore. Jun 22 =09 The Barnburners, a group of radical Democrats in New York state, meet at Baltimore and nominate Martin Van Buren and Wisconsin's Henry Dodge. Jul 19 =09 The first Women's Rights convention in America is held in Seneca Falls, chaired by Lucretia Mott and Elizabeth Cady Stanton. Abolitionist =46rederick Douglass attends. Jul 28 =09 Douglass writes approvingly of the Seneca Falls women's suffrage convention, in his Rochester <italic>North Star</italic>. Aug 9 =09 The Free Soil Party meets in Buffalo, nominates Martin Van Buren and Massachusetts' Charles Francis Adams, on the platform "Free soil, free speech , free labor and free men." Aug 19 =09 New York's <italic>Herald</italic> is the first eastern paper to report the discovery of gold in California. Sep 22 =09 Circus impresario Sig Sautelle is born in Luzerne, New York. October =09 Berith (later B'rith) Kodesh, Rochester's first synagogue, is built. Nov 7 =09 Zachary Taylor and Millard Fillmore are elected President and Vice-President of the United States. Dec 16 =09 A fire destroys New York City's Park Theatre. Dec 24 =09 Noyes and his disciples move in to the new community room at the Oneida Perfectionist colony. Dec 25 =09 Alexandre Dumas' play <italic>Monte Cristo</italic> opens at New York City's Broadway Theatre. City Alexander T. Steward founds the first department store, on Broadway. =20 ** City University is founded. ** Former Democratic mayor William F. Havemeyer is elected once again, defeating Whig mayor William V. Brady by 928 votes, out of 46,280. ** High Bridge over the Harlem River is completed. ** New York and Chicago are linked by telegraph. ** The Public School Society begins evening schools. ** A group of city newspapers organize the Associated Press. State The city of Auburn is incorporated. ** The Utica Water Works Company begins operations, with engineer Thomas Hopper as president (he raised half the money). ** The Rochester & Tonawanda and the Auburn & Rochester railroads replace their unsafe strip rails with the new T-bar rails. Rochester & Tonawanda profits reach $57,000 while the Auburn & Rochester makes $96,000, both railroads paying dividends of 8% to stockholders. ** Perfectionistslead by John Humphrey Noyes establish a socialist community atOneida. He publishes his pamphlet <italic>Bible Communism</italic>. ** The location of the Seneca County Agricultural Fair begins settling in the town that raises the most money, finally settles in Waterloo in 1870. ** <italic>The Political Investigator</italic>, a monthly newspaper, begins publication at Angelica, runs for a short time. ** The New York & Hudson River Railroad is extended to Fishkill. ** Mrs. W. G. Bryan opens a music school for young ladies in Batavia's Ellicott Mansion. ** The railroad reaches Whitehall. ** The village of Corning, with a population of about 850, is incorporated. ** =20 Syracuse architect Joseph Lyman Silsbee is born. ** Chester A. Arthur graduates from Schenectady's Union College. ** =20 Canajoharie school teacher Susan B. Anthony reads about the recent Seneca Falls convention. Albany Dr. Amos Pillsbury assumes the directorship of the Albany County Penitentiary. ** The Shaker meeting house at Watervliet is built. Rochester William A. Reynolds hires Burlington, Vermont, architect Henry Searle to design a meeting place across Works Street from his arcade, for gatherings of the Athenaeum & Mechanics Association. Columns on the front of the building will give it its name - Corinthian Hall. ** =20 The Rochester Gas Company is chartered. ** Enos Stone erects a building on South St. Paul Street ** Captain Robert Harding's Victorian Gothic mansion is built, on Brooks Avenue. ** The second Women's Rights Convention is held, passes a resolution to have the word "obey" struck from the marriage vows. </fontfamily> David Minor Eagles Byte Historical Research Rochester, New York 716 264-0423 http://home.eznet.net/~dminor From [log in to unmask] Tue Apr 22 11:39:22 1997 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from MAIL.NYSED.GOV by unix10 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id LAA00980; Tue, 22 Apr 1997 11:39:22 -0400 Received: from DOMAIN1-Message_Server by MAIL.NYSED.GOV with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 22 Apr 1997 11:40:33 -0400 Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]> X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 11:39:13 -0400 From: Daniel Lorello <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Cemetery Locations Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline content-length: 1487 A couple of weeks ago, somebody inquired as to whether or not there was a listing of cemeteries in some upstate counties, Saratoga and Warren counties I believe. I just returned from visiting the offices of the Department of State's Division of Cemeteries and I can report that the division maintains two sets of indices that list almost all cemeteries in the state. The first index (both indices are 3 x 5 cards) is arranged alphabetically by county and therein alphabetically by name of cemetery. The cards provide very, very, summary information (e.g. name of cemetery, incorporation date, officers in charge, and capacity). They DO NOT contain any information about people buried in the cemetery and the division DOES NOT maintain any such information either. The second set of cards duplicates the first set but this set is arranged alphabetically by name of cemetery. I spoke to division staff about their referencing the cards. They do perform some reference service but it is minimal. You'll have to keep in mind that the division's primary function is to regulate cemeteries for which it is responsible and not answering detailed reference questions. If you would like to speak to somebody in the division about the cards you can do so by calling 474-6226. If anybody has any questions please feel free to contact me. Daniel Lorello Associate Archivist Appraisal & Accessioning Unit New York State Archives & Records Administration 474-6771 [log in to unmask] From [log in to unmask] Tue Apr 22 13:01:37 1997 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from loomis.berkshire.net by unix10 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id NAA01374; Tue, 22 Apr 1997 13:01:36 -0400 Received: from loomis.berkshire.net ([log in to unmask] [206.72.196.14]) by loomis.berkshire.net (8.8.5/8.7.1) with SMTP id NAA22726 for <[log in to unmask]>; Tue, 22 Apr 1997 13:03:52 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 13:03:52 -0400 (EDT) From: "Michael D. Bathrick" <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: Cemetery Locations In-Reply-To: <[log in to unmask]> Message-ID: <[log in to unmask]> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII content-length: 3140 The USGS can help find cemetery locations at: http://mapping.usgs.gov/www/gnis/gnisform.html This url asks for county & state and feature (either type or name). If you ask for, for instance, Columbia County, NY cemeteries you will get: USGS Feature Name St County Type Latitude Longitude 7.5' x 7.5' Map ------------------- -- -------------- ------ -------- --------- --------------- Ancram Old NY Columbia cemete 420237N 0733839W Ancram Cemetery Austerlitz NY Columbia cemete 421810N 0732819W State Line Cemetery Canaan Cemetery NY Columbia cemete 422333N 0732721W Canaan Cedar Park NY Columbia cemete 421434N 0734617W Hudson South Cemetery Cemetery of the NY Columbia cemete 422830N 0732306W Canaan Evergreens Collins Cemetery NY Columbia cemete 421250N 0733121W Hillsdale Cornwall-Tilden NY Columbia cemete 422744N 0732442W Canaan Cemetery Crum Church NY Columbia cemete 421442N 0733536W Hillsdale Cemetery Firwood Cemetery NY Columbia cemete 422322N 0734648W Ravena Germantown NY Columbia cemete 420754N 0735218W Hudson South Reformed Cemetery Harlemville NY Columbia cemete 421616N 0733505W Chatham Cemetery Hillsdale Cemetery NY Columbia cemete 421117N 0733436W Hillsdale Immaculate NY Columbia cemete 422803N 0732522W Canaan Conception Cemetery Livingston NY Columbia cemete 420957N 0735030W Hudson South Reformed Cemetery Mott Cemetery NY Columbia cemete 422854N 0732302W Canaan Mountain View NY Columbia cemete 422355N 0733131W East Chatham Cemetery Niver Cemetery NY Columbia cemete 421033N 0733537W Hillsdale Red Rock Cemetery NY Columbia cemete 422139N 0733010W Chatham Sacred Heart NY Columbia cemete 421502N 0733806W Stottville Cemetery Saint James NY Columbia cemete 422002N 0733648W Chatham Cemetery Saint Paul NY Columbia cemete 422101N 0734437W Stottville Cemetery Stuyvesant Falls NY Columbia cemete 422114N 0734430W Stottville Cemetery Swartwout Memorial NY Columbia cemete 421530N 0734630W Hudson North Cemetery The Maples NY Columbia cemete 422506N 0733049W East Chatham Cemetery Union Cemetery NY Columbia cemete 420256N 0733819W Ancram Union Cemetery NY Columbia cemete 421513N 0733940W Stottville Union Ghent NY Columbia cemete 421847N 0733741W Stottville Cemetery Valley View NY Columbia cemete 420915N 0735200W Hudson South Cemetery Williams Cemetery NY Columbia cemete 420844N 0733024W Hillsdale From [log in to unmask] Tue Apr 22 18:17:14 1997 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from pppmail.appliedtheory.com by unix10 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id SAA01997; Tue, 22 Apr 1997 18:17:13 -0400 Received: from behavior by pppmail.appliedtheory.com (8.6.12/3.1.090690-Applied Theory Communications) id SAA24064; Tue, 22 Apr 1997 18:21:35 -0400 Message-ID: <[log in to unmask]> Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 06:06:08 -0400 From: "Robert V. Shear" <[log in to unmask]> Reply-To: [log in to unmask] Organization: NY History Net (http://www.NYHistory.com) X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: [log in to unmask] CC: [log in to unmask] Subject: Roosevelt as Governor References: <[log in to unmask]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit content-length: 520 Can someone answer this interesting question? ______ I am writing a college senior research paper on Franklin Roosevelt and in all the books I have referenced it states that he ran for Governor in 1928 and then again in 1930. I am puzzled as I thought the Governor was elected to a four year term. I need to clear this detail up for my paper. I would appreciate any help you can give me. If the N.Y. Governor used to be elected to a two term when was this changed.?? Thank You, Kerry A. Linn [log in to unmask] From [log in to unmask] Tue Apr 22 19:17:07 1997 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from emout17.mail.aol.com by unix10 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id TAA02075; Tue, 22 Apr 1997 19:17:05 -0400 From: [log in to unmask] Received: (from root@localhost) by emout17.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id TAA26576 for [log in to unmask]; Tue, 22 Apr 1997 19:17:41 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 19:17:41 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: Cemetery Preservation in NYS? -Reply content-length: 1059 In a message dated 97-04-22 10:06:51 EDT, Susan Walski wrote: << At Lutheran (All Faiths) Cemetery, there is the General Slocom monument. It pays tribute to a German ship that sank off Manhattan with about 108 dead. Most years, the someone does a memorial service. At least 1021 people died on the General Slocum. The burning ship was beached by the captain on North Brother Island above the Hell Gate at the beginning of the Bronx. Lutheran Cemetery appears to be in Queens. Most of the victims of the Gen. Slocum disaster were from St. Mark's Lutheran Church in what became known as the Lower East Side. Hence many were buried in Lutheran Cemetery. One procession from St. Mark's to Lutheran Cemetery had 156 hearses. The General Slocum was New York City greatest single disaster. The naval disaster that has hither to been referred to apparently took place off the Rockaways, a far cry from North Brother Island. But should the original writer be unsure of the site of the disaster this in fact may be it. Jim Maguire [log in to unmask] From [log in to unmask] Tue Apr 22 20:40:30 1997 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from mail1.eznet.net by unix10 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id UAA02262; Tue, 22 Apr 1997 20:40:29 -0400 Received: from [207.50.130.80] (dialup06.roc-tc2.eznet.net [207.50.130.80]) by mail1.eznet.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA17793 for <[log in to unmask]>; Tue, 22 Apr 1997 20:39:56 -0400 Message-Id: <v03007801af829e41afab@[207.50.130.28]> In-Reply-To: <[log in to unmask]> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 12:02:46 -0500 To: [log in to unmask] From: David Minor <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: historical markers content-length: 1692 You might want to check with: Canal Society of New York State c/o Anita Cotrell, Secretary Reasurer 7308 Jamesville Road Manlius, NY 13104 The society erects two markers a year at canal sites I don't remember what was said about the cost (paid for by field trip donations) but Anita should be able to tell you who does them and what the cost is. The Society does not, at this time, have e-mail or presence on the WWW. You could either write, or call the Society president Tom Grasso (716 292-2420) at Monroe Community College. He would probably also know. David >The Town of Fairfield celebrated a successful Bicentennial last year and now >the Bicentennial committee finds itself with hard earned funds to spend on a >town project. We would like to purchase roadside markers to place by >historically significant sites in Fairfield. This project has the blessings >of the Town Board and now we must seek some information. >In Fairfield there remain only two of the signs erected by the state many >years ago. We had something similar in mind and we were told that a cast >iron sign like the old state signs would coast in the neighborhood of $700. > At this price, of course, we would not be able to purchase many. Can anyone >recommend some places that produce such signage? Any suggestions on other >materials that could be used? Would the DOT be in charge of the legal >aspect of placing these signs? Any comments or suggestions would be greatly >appreciated. Thank you. >Jane Dieffenbacher >P.O. Box 1 >Middleville, NY 13406 >315-891-3974 >[log in to unmask] David Minor Eagles Byte Historical Research Rochester, New York 716 264-0423 http://home.eznet.net/~dminor From [log in to unmask] Wed Apr 23 06:15:00 1997 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from emout17.mail.aol.com by unix10 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id GAA03053; Wed, 23 Apr 1997 06:14:58 -0400 From: [log in to unmask] Received: (from root@localhost) by emout17.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id GAA05861 for [log in to unmask]; Wed, 23 Apr 1997 06:15:34 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 06:15:34 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: Cemetery Locations content-length: 61 Could you give an area code for those phone numbers, please? From [log in to unmask] Tue Apr 22 18:17:23 1997 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from pppmail.appliedtheory.com by unix10 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id SAA02015; Tue, 22 Apr 1997 18:17:22 -0400 Received: from behavior by pppmail.appliedtheory.com (8.6.12/3.1.090690-Applied Theory Communications) id SAA24072; Tue, 22 Apr 1997 18:21:47 -0400 Message-ID: <[log in to unmask]> Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 06:13:31 -0400 From: "Robert V. Shear" <[log in to unmask]> Reply-To: [log in to unmask] Organization: NY History Net (http://www.NYHistory.com) X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: NYNY 1845-1848 References: <v03007800af81eb0983f5@[207.50.130.12]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit content-length: 587 David Minor wrote: > > Peter Warwick sent the following update. (Items not in the > chronologies are just "friends I haven't met yet". I'm always glad to > learn of omissions and errors. The timelines are "works in progress" > and constantly updated.) Thanks Peter. > > Jul 19 > The first Women's Rights convention in America is held in Seneca > Falls, chaired by Lucretia Mott and Elizabeth Cady Stanton. > Abolitionist Frederick Douglass attends. > Well, technically it was JAMES Mott in the Chair, according to A History of Woman Suffrage by Stanton, Anthony and Gage Bob Shear From [log in to unmask] Wed Apr 23 09:05:49 1997 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from MAIL.NYSED.GOV by unix10 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id JAA03536; Wed, 23 Apr 1997 09:05:48 -0400 Received: from DOMAIN1-Message_Server by MAIL.NYSED.GOV with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 23 Apr 1997 09:07:01 -0400 Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]> X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 09:05:35 -0400 From: Bob Arnold <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Dr. Phebe Oliver -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline content-length: 138 I suggest you contact the archivist at the Pennsylvania institution, Sue-Ann Pascucci, at 215/842-4700, E-mail is [log in to unmask] From [log in to unmask] Wed Apr 23 09:29:08 1997 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from MAIL.NYSED.GOV by unix10 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id JAA04191; Wed, 23 Apr 1997 09:29:08 -0400 Received: from DOMAIN1-Message_Server by MAIL.NYSED.GOV with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 23 Apr 1997 09:30:14 -0400 Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]> X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 09:28:54 -0400 From: Daniel Lorello <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Cemetery Locations Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline content-length: 105 For the person requesting the area code for the phone numbers I gave yesterday, it is 518 (Albany area). From [log in to unmask] Wed Apr 23 10:29:40 1997 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from emout01.mail.aol.com by unix10 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id KAA04461; Wed, 23 Apr 1997 10:29:39 -0400 From: [log in to unmask] Received: (from root@localhost) by emout01.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id KAA09699 for [log in to unmask]; Wed, 23 Apr 1997 10:30:14 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 10:30:14 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Dansville Seminary content-length: 610 I am looking for information about a school in Dansville, New York-a seminary or women's college or high school ca. 1870s. I have a researcher who is seeking information on the school or the possible location of its records. The primary interest is for a biography on Frances Beardslee. She is seeking information about ellen Rigby and Frank B. Davis. If anyone has any leads as to this school or the location of any records, I would appreciate hearing about it. Russell L.Gasero Archives of the Reformed Church in America 21 Seminary Place New Brunswick, NJ 08901 (908) 246-1779 E-mail: [log in to unmask] From [log in to unmask] Wed Apr 23 12:01:22 1997 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from MAIL.NYSED.GOV by unix10 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id MAA04728; Wed, 23 Apr 1997 12:01:21 -0400 Received: from DOMAIN1-Message_Server by MAIL.NYSED.GOV with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 23 Apr 1997 12:02:28 -0400 Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]> X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 12:01:16 -0400 From: Prudence Backman <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Archival Preservation -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline content-length: 1212 Individual sheet encapsulation of your records books can be very costly and is usually not needed. A less costly approach, especially since the pages themselves are in good condition, would be to have the book rebound with archival covers and endpapers. Which approach you take will depend on the money available, the overall condition of the volumes, and the intended use of the volumes. If you expect that they will be handled and/or exhibited extensively (on a monthly basis) then the encapsulation would be appropriate. If however they will be brought out only one or twice a year then rebinding would be the better strategy. There are a number of vendors that operate through out the state. Some are better than others. You want to carefully evaluate the materials and procedures that they are using as well as the viability of the approach that the vendor proposes. I would be happy to discuss your project with you or to send you publications that I have on rebinding of volumes. You may contact me at: Prudence Backman Local Government Archival Advisory Services New York State Archives and Records Administration 9B38 Cultural Education Center Albany, NY 12230 518-474-4372 [log in to unmask] From [log in to unmask] Wed Apr 23 12:20:06 1997 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from mail1.eznet.net by unix10 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id MAA04793; Wed, 23 Apr 1997 12:20:05 -0400 Received: from [207.50.130.68] (dialup58.roc-tc1.eznet.net [207.50.130.68]) by mail1.eznet.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA20321 for <[log in to unmask]>; Wed, 23 Apr 1997 12:12:53 -0400 Message-Id: <v03007802af83e2fea177@[207.50.130.48]> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 11:04:07 -0500 To: [log in to unmask] From: David Minor <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: NYNY 1837-1840 content-length: 1086 I received this query recently. Anyone out there have any suggestions, especially on contemporary newspaper accounts? >My wife's GG Grandmother, Laura Tryon Mack, returned to Connecticut via >the Erie Canal >in the autumn/spring of 1840-41. Her husband had died in Ohio and she >resolved to >get back "home" with her several small children. Her 21 year old son >Noah E Mack >found an abandoned boat, fixed it up with shingles and whatnot and off >they headed. >According to family lore they became celebrities of sorts as "Noah's >Ark" made its >way back East. Apparently their arrival was anticipated in newspapers >along the way >and usually brought out crowds to cheer them on. They wintered in >Phelps NY with >some relatives. > >My question is this: can you point me toward newspaper records of those >days? > >Do they still exist? Where? Etc. Any advice you can give me on how to >proceed to >find verifications of these events would be greatly appreciated. > David Minor Eagles Byte Historical Research Rochester, New York 716 264-0423 http://home.eznet.net/~dminor From [log in to unmask] Thu Apr 24 09:12:31 1997 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from MAIL.NYSED.GOV by unix10 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id JAA07444; Thu, 24 Apr 1997 09:12:30 -0400 Received: from DOMAIN1-Message_Server by MAIL.NYSED.GOV with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 24 Apr 1997 09:13:42 -0400 Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]> X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 09:11:59 -0400 From: William Evans <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask] Subject: NYC Five Points Web site -Forwarded Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="=_CE9CAF96.98F994D4" content-length: 3153 This is a MIME message. If you are reading this text, you may want to consider changing to a mail reader or gateway that understands how to properly handle MIME multipart messages. --=_CE9CAF96.98F994D4 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline The attached looks quite interesting. Bill Evans --=_CE9CAF96.98F994D4 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Return-Path: [log in to unmask] Received: from VMS.DC.LSOFT.COM (vms.dc.lsoft.com [206.241.12.2]) by freedom.mtn.org (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA09432 for <[log in to unmask]>; Wed, 23 Apr 1997 15:56:38 -0500 Received: from vms.dc.lsoft.com by VMS.DC.LSOFT.COM (LSMTP for OpenVMS v1.1a) with SMTP id <[log in to unmask]>; Wed, 23 Apr 1997 16:56:36 -0500 Received: from ASUVM.INRE.ASU.EDU by ASUVM.INRE.ASU.EDU (LISTSERV release 1.8c) with NJE id 2159 for [log in to unmask]; Wed, 23 Apr 1997 13:45:51 -0700 Received: from ASUACAD (NJE origin SMTP4@ASUACAD) by ASUVM.INRE.ASU.EDU (LMail V1.2c/1.8c) with BSMTP id 7212; Wed, 23 Apr 1997 13:35:37 -0700 Received: from igc3.igc.apc.org by ASUVM.INRE.ASU.EDU (IBM VM SMTP V2R3) with TCP; Wed, 23 Apr 97 13:35:36 MST Received: from ppp34.igc.org ([log in to unmask] [198.94.6.34]) by igc3.igc.apc.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA04606 for <[log in to unmask]>; Wed, 23 Apr 1997 12:24:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Sender: [log in to unmask] (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (16) Message-ID: <[log in to unmask]> Reply-To: HISTORICAL ARCHAEOLOGY <[log in to unmask]> Sender: HISTORICAL ARCHAEOLOGY <[log in to unmask]> Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 15:24:33 -0400 From: Paul Reckner <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask] Subject: NYC Five Points Web site Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline NEW WEB SITE ON-LINE: Visit the FIVE POINTS HOME PAGE, a new interactive Web site featuring historic images of New York City's legendary 19th-century slum, artifacts from the ongoing Foley Square/Five Points archaeological project, and an introduction to the complex story of this fascinating fragment of New York history. http://199.75.180.203:8080/fivept/fphome.htm The Five Points Home Page is fairly graphic-intensive and is best viewed with Netscape 2.02 or higher. A text-only version will be available shortly. The site is currently geared to public outreach and education, but we hope to be adding additional research-oriented components in the near future. These will include a searchable database of selected census, city directory, and tax assessment data, an artifact inventory, and scholarly papers relating to the project. We look forward to your comments. The Five Points Web site was developed by John Milner Assoc., Inc., under contract to the U.S. General Services Admin. through Edwards and Kelcey Engineers, Inc. Paul Reckner JMA - Foley Square Lab 6 World Trade Center, U.S. Custom House Room B-26-A New York, NY 10048 voice 212.432.2980 fax 212.432.2981 [log in to unmask] --=_CE9CAF96.98F994D4-- From [log in to unmask] Wed Apr 23 18:20:42 1997 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from berry.epix.net by unix10 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id SAA05498; Wed, 23 Apr 1997 18:20:40 -0400 Received: from art77.epix.net (svcr-84ppp191.epix.net [199.224.84.191]) by berry.epix.net (8.8.5/8.8.5/970414Scott Paul) with SMTP id SAA24389 for <[log in to unmask]>; Wed, 23 Apr 1997 18:16:44 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <[log in to unmask]> Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 18:18:50 -0700 From: Arthur <[log in to unmask]> Organization: American History X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01KIT (Win16; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: Cemetery Preservation in NYS? -Reply References: <[log in to unmask]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit content-length: 1313 I saw a Mickey Roonie (ey?) movie onetime, and this scene was in the beginning of the movie, I can't remember if it was a biography or what, some seaches could clear that up. Art [log in to unmask] wrote: > > In a message dated 97-04-22 10:06:51 EDT, Susan Walski wrote: > > << At Lutheran (All Faiths) Cemetery, there is the General Slocom monument. > It > pays tribute to a German ship that sank off Manhattan with about 108 dead. > Most years, the someone does a memorial service. > > At least 1021 people died on the General Slocum. The burning ship was > beached by the captain on North Brother Island above the Hell Gate at the > beginning of the Bronx. Lutheran Cemetery appears to be in Queens. > > Most of the victims of the Gen. Slocum disaster were from St. Mark's Lutheran > Church in what became known as the Lower East Side. Hence many were buried > in Lutheran Cemetery. One procession from St. Mark's to Lutheran Cemetery > had 156 hearses. The General Slocum was New York City greatest single > disaster. > > The naval disaster that has hither to been referred to apparently took place > off the Rockaways, a far cry from North Brother Island. But should the > original writer be unsure of the site of the disaster this in fact may be it. > > Jim Maguire > [log in to unmask] From [log in to unmask] Thu Apr 24 13:53:41 1997 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from MAIL.NYSED.GOV by unix10 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id NAA08348; Thu, 24 Apr 1997 13:53:40 -0400 Received: from DOMAIN1-Message_Server by MAIL.NYSED.GOV with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 24 Apr 1997 13:54:51 -0400 Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]> X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 13:53:42 -0400 From: Jill Rydberg <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask] Subject: ANNOUNCE: NYS Archives Hackman Research Residency Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline content-length: 2599 1998 LARRY J. HACKMAN RESEARCH RESIDENCY PROGRAM =20 --FUNDED BY THE HENRY LUCE FOUNDATION-- The New York State Archives and the Archives Partnership Trust announce = the availability of awards to pursue research using the vast resources of = the New York State Archives. The Program is intended to support advanced = work in New York State history, government or public policy. APPLICANT/PROJECT ELIGIBILITY: Applicants working on doctoral dissertatio= ns and those at the postdoctoral level are particularly encouraged to = apply, but any proposal for advanced research will be considered. = Projects involving alternative uses of the Archives, such as background = research for multimedia projects, exhibits, documentary films, and = historical novels, are also eligible. The topic or area of study must = draw, at least in part, on the holdings of the New York State Archives. = Preference will be given to projects: (1) that have application to = enduring public policy issues, particularly in New York State, (2) that = rely on holdings that have been little used and are not available = electronically or on microfilm, and (3) that have a high probability of = publication or other public dissemination. AWARDS: Award amounts are greater for in-depth research over a substantial= period of time but generally fall in the =241,500 to =242,000-a-month = range. They are intended to defray costs of travel, living expenses, and = other research-related costs, while also rewarding scholarship, creativity,= and promise. APPLICATION FORMS/GUIDELINES: Application forms/guidelines are available: on-line: http://www.sara.nysed.gov or contact: Jill A. Rydberg, Archives Partnership Trust, Cultural = Education Center, Room 9C49, Albany, New York 12230; phone: 518-473-7091; = fax: 518-473-7058; e-mail: jrydberg=40mail.nysed.gov. DEADLINE: January 30, 1998 (application receipt deadline) PRE-APPLICATION PLANNING: Potential applicants should contact the = Archives Public Services staff before completing the application to = discuss their research topic and the records that they propose to use. = Contact: Dr. James D. Folts; phone: 518-474-8955; e-mail: jfolts=40mail.n= ysed.gov. A published *Guide to Records in the New York State Archives* = is available from the State Archives, along with finding aids on some = specific topics, or on the records of particular agencies. The published = guide to the Archives, the computerized catalog of record series descriptio= ns, and selected topical finding aids are available on-line: http://www.sa= ra.nysed.gov. From [log in to unmask] Thu Apr 24 11:38:42 1997 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from emout10.mail.aol.com by unix10 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id LAA08003; Thu, 24 Apr 1997 11:38:41 -0400 From: [log in to unmask] Received: (from root@localhost) by emout10.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) id LAA02351 for [log in to unmask]; Thu, 24 Apr 1997 11:39:18 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 11:39:18 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: Cemetery Preservation in NYS? -Reply content-length: 428 John Barber and Henry Howe in "Historical Collections of the State of New York," 1841 (reprinted in 1960s) have information on the shipwrecks of the "Bristol" and "Mexico" in 1836-37 and the monument in the Sand Hole Church Cemetery (now Rockville Cemetery in Lynbrook) to the 199 who died in those wrecks off the Far Rockaway and Hempstead beaches. They do not list names but do have the inscription on the monument. From [log in to unmask] Thu Apr 24 13:34:42 1997 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from mail1.infinet.com by unix10 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id NAA08317; Thu, 24 Apr 1997 13:34:41 -0400 From: [log in to unmask] Received: from cle-p025.infinet.com (cle-p025.infinet.com [206.103.245.25]) by mail1.infinet.com (8.8.5/8.8.3) with SMTP id NAA22642 for <[log in to unmask]>; Thu, 24 Apr 1997 13:35:10 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 13:35:10 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]> X-Sender: [log in to unmask] X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: [log in to unmask] Subject: COMMISSION OF EMIGRATION content-length: 240 It is my understanding that in 1847 NY established a Board of Commissioners of Emigration to "receive immigrants and register them". Can anyone advise me where this commission's "registers" are archived? David Bly [log in to unmask] From [log in to unmask] Fri Apr 25 09:01:25 1997 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from MAIL.NYSED.GOV by unix10 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id JAA10669; Fri, 25 Apr 1997 09:01:24 -0400 Received: from DOMAIN1-Message_Server by MAIL.NYSED.GOV with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 25 Apr 1997 09:02:39 -0400 Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]> X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 09:01:23 -0400 From: James Folts <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask] Subject: COMMISSION OF EMIGRATION -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline content-length: 1159 Between 1848 and 1890 the New York State Commissioners of Emigration (so-called) were responsible for the reception of immigrants entering New York City. The Commissioners contracted with the Federal government to provide this service. The Commissioners conducted medical inspections of immigrants, and they regulated port vessels, boarding houses, railroad agents, and other businesses dealing with immigrants. After 1855 the Commissioners operated an immigrant reception center at Castle Garden in lower Manhattan. (This facility was the predecessor to Ellis Island, opened in 1892.) The published annual reports of the Commissioners of Emigration are available in the New York State Library and probably in other major research libraries holding collections of New York State (printed) government documents. However, the records of the Commissioners are not in the New York State Archives or the National Archives, and are presumed to have been destroyed. James D. Folts Head, Research Services New York State Archives Cultural Education Center Room 11D40 Albany, NY 12230 USA E-mail [log in to unmask] Phone (518) 474-8955; Fax (518) 473-9985 From [log in to unmask] Fri Apr 25 09:06:05 1997 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from MAIL.NYSED.GOV by unix10 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id JAA10792; Fri, 25 Apr 1997 09:06:04 -0400 Received: from DOMAIN1-Message_Server by MAIL.NYSED.GOV with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 25 Apr 1997 09:07:14 -0400 Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]> X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 09:05:46 -0400 From: Vicki Weiss <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: NYNY 1837-1840 -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline content-length: 949 To see who has what newspapers on microfilm in New York State, check the NYS Newspaper Project Web site at http://www.nysl.nysed.gov/nysnp/ Even if the paper is not listed there (because it is not on microfilm), the names, addresses and phone numbers of repositories are there. Some repositories may have the newspapers for the period you want in paper form. Also, it may be that the news for the community in which you are interested was covered by a newspaper in a neighboring community during the period you want; staff at the local libraries or historical societies may be able to point you to the names of those places. (Or you can do it on your own by putting a pin in the name of the community on the map and draw ever-widening concentric circles to see which communities were closest to the one you want and then check the NYS Newspaper Project Web site to see if papers for those times and places are available on microfilm.) Vicki Weiss From [log in to unmask] Mon Apr 28 08:59:39 1997 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from MAIL.NYSED.GOV by unix10 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id IAA15628; Mon, 28 Apr 1997 08:59:39 -0400 Received: from DOMAIN1-Message_Server by MAIL.NYSED.GOV with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 28 Apr 1997 09:00:56 -0400 Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]> X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 09:00:12 -0400 From: Phil Lord <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask] Subject: historical markers -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline content-length: 573 The foundry that produced the original State Historic Markers still does the same for privately funded markers. They switched from cast iron [$130 each] to aluminum [$400 each] a few years ago. If you e-mail us we can send you one of their fact sheets, but we also encourage anyone to explore options with other foundries in their area. There are a number that work in aluminum and bronze, but if you want them to duplicate a certain form, they may have to create molds, which can be costly. Their phone number is 607 538-1160 Phil Lord NYS Museum [log in to unmask] From [log in to unmask] Mon Apr 28 09:02:40 1997 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from MAIL.NYSED.GOV by unix10 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id JAA15655; Mon, 28 Apr 1997 09:02:39 -0400 Received: from DOMAIN1-Message_Server by MAIL.NYSED.GOV with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 28 Apr 1997 09:04:01 -0400 Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]> X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 09:03:07 -0400 From: Phil Lord <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask] Subject: historical markers -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline content-length: 442 RE: placement of historic markers. The landowner controls the placement of any signage, including historic markers. You have to determine who owns the land and negotiate with that person. Most roadside markers, in order to be readable, would have to be placed on state or county highway rights-of-way. Yet most highway agencies restrict the installation of signs within the ROW, as these are seen as traffic hazards. Phil Lord NYS Museum From [log in to unmask] Mon Apr 28 09:33:33 1997 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from MAIL.NYSED.GOV by unix10 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id JAA16045; Mon, 28 Apr 1997 09:33:33 -0400 Received: from DOMAIN1-Message_Server by MAIL.NYSED.GOV with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 28 Apr 1997 09:34:56 -0400 Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]> X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 09:33:44 -0400 From: Phil Lord <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Cemetery Locations -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline content-length: 317 Does the Department of State listing of cemeteries include just incorporated or "active" cemeteries, or does it include the many burial plots and burying grounds that dot the landscape? My impression is that there is a lot of interest, and concern about these latter cases. Phil Lord NYS Museum [log in to unmask] From [log in to unmask] Mon Apr 28 10:42:48 1997 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from postoffice2.mail.cornell.edu by unix10 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id KAA16188; Mon, 28 Apr 1997 10:42:47 -0400 Received: from CU-DIALUP-0051.CIT.CORNELL.EDU (CU-DIALUP-0051.CIT.CORNELL.EDU [132.236.102.65]) by postoffice2.mail.cornell.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA02937 for <[log in to unmask]>; Mon, 28 Apr 1997 10:43:24 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 10:43:24 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]> X-Sender: [log in to unmask] X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (16) -- [Cornell Modified] To: [log in to unmask] From: "Bruce L. Lloyd" <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: historical markers -Reply Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" content-length: 793 At 09:00 AM 4/28/97 -0400, you wrote: >The foundry that produced the original State Historic Markers still does >the same for privately funded markers. They switched from cast iron >[$130 each] to aluminum [$400 each] a few years ago. > >If you e-mail us we can send you one of their fact sheets, but we also >encourage anyone to explore options with other foundries in their area. >There are a number that work in aluminum and bronze, but if you want >them to duplicate a certain form, they may have to create molds, which >can be costly. > >Their phone number is 607 538-1160 > >Phil Lord >NYS Museum >[log in to unmask] > Phil, I'd like one of the fact sheets on the foundry which produced the original markers. Thanks in advance, Bruce L. Lloyd, 53 South Knoll Drive, Dryden, NY 13053 From [log in to unmask] Mon Apr 28 11:47:48 1997 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from MAIL.NYSED.GOV by unix10 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id LAA16526; Mon, 28 Apr 1997 11:47:47 -0400 Received: from DOMAIN1-Message_Server by MAIL.NYSED.GOV with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 28 Apr 1997 11:49:06 -0400 Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]> X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 11:47:31 -0400 From: Daniel Lorello <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Cemetery Locations Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline content-length: 535 Phil, I asked that question of Division of Cemeteries staff and the best answer they could give me was that the index contains summary information on "almost all" cemteries in New York State and not just those that were incorporated. I do know there are cards for cemeteries that have been abandoned or were not incorporated. There are also cards pertaining to religious, municipal, and private cemeteries. My guess is that the cards may not document every single cemetery throughout the state, but they come pretty close to it. From [log in to unmask] Mon Apr 28 14:07:53 1997 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from MAIL.NYSED.GOV by unix10 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id OAA16966; Mon, 28 Apr 1997 14:07:52 -0400 Received: from DOMAIN1-Message_Server by MAIL.NYSED.GOV with Novell_GroupWise; Mon, 28 Apr 1997 14:09:17 -0400 Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]> X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 14:07:46 -0400 From: Warren Broderick <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask] Subject: lists of cemeteries Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline content-length: 1321 There are no complete lists of cemeteries maintained at any level of state government. Those files maintained by the Department of State are far from complete, excluding many smaller, older cemeteries. USGS and DOT maps show only a small percentage of cemetery locations. For the smaller cemeteries, there is no rationale to which are mapped. Some county and municipal historians have compiled complete lists, and often have mapped the cemetery locations as well. These lists may or may not exist, as there is no legal requirement that they be maintained. Local historical societies and libraries may maintain these lists as well. In Rensselaer County, all cemetery locations have been mapped on computer in a G.I.S. maintained by the county. The number of cemeteries identified and mapped was staggering, and this data layer is updated as necessary. It is quite possible that similar G.I.S. data layers or other computer lists of cemeteries exist at other counties as well. Another good source of cemetery lists is the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. The Mormons have compiled complete lists and have made fastidious copies of cemetery inscriptions in various parts of the state. In other words, there is no one, easy source to consult. But isn't that true for all local historical research? From [log in to unmask] Mon Apr 28 23:15:24 1997 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from mail1.eznet.net by unix10 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id XAA18147; Mon, 28 Apr 1997 23:15:22 -0400 Received: from [207.50.130.57] (dialup47.roc-tc1.eznet.net [207.50.130.57]) by mail1.eznet.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA22078; Mon, 28 Apr 1997 22:59:23 -0400 Message-Id: <v03007800af8ac3d32b9b@[207.50.130.66]> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/enriched; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 28 Apr 1997 22:57:42 -0500 To: [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask] From: David Minor <[log in to unmask]> Subject: NYNY 1849-1852 content-length: 15399 <fontfamily><param>Geneva</param>Received the following from Peter Warwick of St. Catharines, Ontario, referring to a recent NYNY: "Um, David, I er... hate to tell you this, but the first baseball game in history was played in Canada. In the October/November, 1994 issue of <italic>The Beaver</italic>, pages 12-17, there's an article entitled "Abner Who? Baseball's Canadian Roots" by Mark Kearney. Basically it reviews the claim of Dr. Adam Ford of Denver about a game of baseball played at Beachville, Ontario, on June 4, 1838. The claim, which has been investigated by historians, is authentic. Dr. Ford made the claim in a lengthy letter published May 5, 1886 in <italic>Sporting Life Magazine</italic>, based in Philadelphia. It provides details and a diagram of the baseball "diamond". Among the illustrations in The <italic>Beaver</italic> article is one taken from the <italic>Canadian Illustrated News</italic> in 1876 showing a game of baseball being played at London, Ontario, between a team from London and a team from Chicago. The claim in recognized as authentic by baseball historians." Just a sidelight to<italic> New York</italic> history, of course, and there may be some wishing to dispute the claim (not me), but that will have to wait for some other forum. My thanks to Peter and all of you out there striving to keep me honest and accurate. Now, on to: <bold>1849</bold> Feb 5 Manning and Mackintosh sell their concession across the Isthmus of Tehuantepec to New York City speculator P. A. Hargous. Feb 7 The U. S. Supreme Court rules against Massachusetts and New York, banning the practice of taxing each immigrant arriving. Mar 29 Ice blocks the mouth of the Niagara River, which runs dry for 30 hours. Apr 7 The state legislature charters the Panama Railroad Company. Apr 11 Albany City Hospital is incorporated. Apr 14 Herman Melville's <italic>Redburn </italic>published in New York. May 10 Actors' claques for Edwin Forest and William Charles Macready riot at Astor Place in New York City. Thirty-four people are killed by the 7th Regiment. Jun 12 Herr Freebertshyster and the Germania Campanologians bell-ringing act appear at Albany's Bleecker Hall. Nov 14 Two of the Fox sisters, Margaret and Ann, give a demonstration of their spirit rappings at Rochester's Corinthian Hall. Nov 15 A committee conducts an investigation of the Fox sisters at Rochester's Sons of Temperance Hall, finding no evidence of deceit on the part of the girls. The audience demands another investigation. Nov 16 A second Rochester committee fails to find evidence of deceit in the Fox sisters. Citizens hostile to spiritualism demand a third investigation, sitting on the committee themselves. Nov 17 The third Rochester committee can detect no faking of the Fox rappings. When they announce their findings a mob rushes the stage and is fought back by Police Justice S. W. D. Moore and his men. Nov 22 The New York <italic>Weekly Tribune</italic> prints an account of the Rochester committees. Other New York City journals will also report on the upstate Spiritulaism movement. City Whig Caleb S. Woodhull defeats Democrat Myndert Van Schaick to become mayor. His one-year term will extend into 1851, when voting for the office undergoes changes. ** The Distin family introduces the saxophone to the U. S. State J. T. Headley's <italic>The Adirondacks</italic>: <italic>or, A Life in the Woods. </italic>** John Butterfield organizes the Butterfield and Wasson Express Company. ** Batavia postmaster Frederick Follett is named state Canal Commissioner. ** Allegany County's jail in Angelica is built. ** An amusement wheel ride is featured at the State Fair in Syracuse. ** Orsamus Turner's <italic>Pioneer History of the Western Purchase of Western New York</italic>. ** Albany's St. Vincent Orphan Asylum is incorporated. ** The Utica Water Works Company begins supplying customers from a distributing reservoir on Corn Hill. ** Albany's State Library is divided, with one of the Libraries of the Court of Appeals going to Syracuse and the other going to Rochester. ** Elizabeth Blackwell becomes the first U. S. woman doctor, graduating from Geneva College. ** Kate and Margaret Fox of Hydesville, New York, become the first U. S. spiritualists, communing with the departed by spirit rapping. They hold seances at Auburn. Corning The New York and Erie Railroad reaches the city. ** The cityis now the third largest shipping point in New York State. Rochester Corinthian Hall is completed. ** A house is built on Spring Street for insurance agent Henry R. Brewster. 1850 Apr 27 The Collins Line begins its steamship business with the launching of the <italic>Atlantic</italic>, in New York City, competing with Britain's Cunard Line. July The Auburn & Rochester and Auburn & Syracuse railroads are consolidated into the Rochester, Auburn & Syracuse. Jul 2 <italic>Seawitch</italic> sets the N.Y.-to-San Francisco record - 97 days. Jul 15 2,000 New York City tailors walk off the job. One worker is killed in the dispute, the first such labor death in the U. S. No gains are made. The Cooperative Union of Tailoring Estates grows out of the incident. Jul 18 The <italic>Elizabeth</italic> anchors off New York's Fire Island. Jul 19 The <italic>Elizabeth</italic> is driven ashore by a storm. Philosopher Margaret Fuller and her family drown within sight of shore. Several seamen survive. Jul 29 The side-wheeler <italic>Baltic</italic> hits a rock four miles above Niagara Falls and sinks. All passengers are removed safely and the ship is later raised. Sep 11 Swedish singer Jenny Lind makes her American debut in New York City at Castle Garden, promoted by P. T. Barnum. Oct 30 A mass meeting in New York City resolves to sustain the Fugitive Slave Act. City Xavier High School moves from 77 Third Avenue to 30 West 16th Street and changes Volney B. Palmer expands his Philadelphia advertising brokerage to New York and Boston, calling it the American Newspaper Advertising Agency. ** Horace Greeley convinces Phoebe and Alice Cary, the poet sisters, to relocate from Cincinnati, Ohio. ** Population passes 500,000. State A canal weighlock is built in Syracuse. ** The water supply system of the Utica Water Works Association is abandoned. ** Byron E. Huntley founds the Johnston Harvester Works in Brockport, to manufacture McCormick reapers. ** The Seneca Falls firm of Cowing & Company begins manufacturing fire fighting equipment. ** Hector fruit farmer George G. Wickham moves to Montour. ** The former Batavia mansion of land agent Joseph Ellicott becomes the Bryan Seminary for Young Ladies. ** Henry Wells, of Greenport, Long Island, begins seining menhaden and establishes the first steam-operated fish oil extraction plant, on Shelter Island. ** The Rochester & Tonawanda and the Buffalo & Attica railroads are consolidated. The number of cross-state railroads in New York drops from seven to five. ** A New York-to-Boston route through Connecticut is opened. ** Exective Dean Richmond becomes Chairman of the New York State Democratic Committee. ** The Fox sisters hold further seances at Auburn. They begin holding others in New York City, where they are attended by James Fenimore Cooper, William Cullen Bryant, Horace Greeley and others. Greeley defends the Foxes. ** J. E. B. Stuart enters West Point. Albany The city establishes a municipal water system, appointing a Board of Water Commissioners. Geneva A Gothic home with adobe walls is built at 629 South Main Street. ** Farmer Robert Swan buys Rose Hill Farm. Rochester The city founds a Home for the Friendless for prostitutes. ** City pioneer Hamlet Scrantom dies. ** The University of Rochester and the Rochester Theological Seminary are founded in the United States Hotel. ** Leonard Jerome, grandfather of Winston Churchill, sells his interest in the Rochester <italic>Daily American</italic>, moves to Brooklyn. ** Works Street is renamed Exchange Place. ** The city police department begins using the north wing of downtown's market building for a police court and overnight jail. ** The second court house is built. ** The Erie Railroad is completed through the city. ** The Rochester & Hemlock Lake and the Rochester & Pittsford, plank road companies are organized. ** <italic>Moore's Rural New Yorker</italic>, a weekly farm journal, begins publication. ** City lines are adjusted at the northeast and northwest corners, increasing the total square miles to 7.95. ** Spirit rappings are demonstrated in Cincinnati, Ohio, by Mrs. B. G. Bushnell, a witness of the Rochester manifestations. <bold>1851</bold> Apr 17 The Law School of the University of Albany is chartered. Apr 29 New York City's Cooper Union college is chartered. Discrimination because of race, religion or color is forbidden. May Gro along with his parents and siblings. May 15 The first train on the Erie Railroad, with Millard Fillmore and Secretary of State Daniel Webster aboard, travels from New York City to Dunkirk, connecting the city to the Great Lakes by rail for the first time. The <italic>USS Michigan</italic> is part of the Dunkirk celebration. Jun 3 The New York Knickerbocker baseball team is the first to wear uniforms, including straw hats and baggy blue pants. Jun 14 The Hudson River railroad is extended north as far as Hudson. Sep 2 The side-wheeler <italic>Bunker Hill</italic> burns to the water line at a dock in Tonawanda. Sep 14 Author James Fenimore Cooper dies in Cooperstown. Sep 18 The first issue of the New York <italic>Daily Times </italic>is published, with Henry J. Raymond as editor. Oct 1 The first New York to Albany train trip is made. ** A fugitive slave named Jerry is freed from a jail in Syracuse. Oct 8 The railroad from New York to Albany commences service. Oct 25 Karl Marx begins publishing in Horace Greeley's <italic>Tribune</italic>. His <italic>Revolution and Counter Revolution</italic> begins serial publication in the newspaper. Oct 29 Financier Edward Gould Richmond is born in Attica. Nov 14 Herman Melville's <italic>Moby Dick </italic>is published, by Harper and Brothers, in New York City. Dec 29 Maria Dolores Eliza Rosanna Gilbert (Lola Montez), former mistress of Ludwig I of Bavaria, makes her U. S. stage debut in <italic>Betley</italic> at New York City's Broadway Theatre. City Griffith Thomas' Union Club is built at 20th Street and Fifth Avenue. ** Henry Wood, brother of future New York City mayor Fernando Wood, founds Wood's Minstrels. The group plays the city for the next fifteen years. ** Importer Ambrose C. Kingsland becomes the first mayor elected for a single, two-year term - in a change forced by his own party, the Whigs - defeating Democrat Fernando Wood. ** The Brooklyn Navy Yard Dry Dock Number One, the U. S. Navy's first, is completed. ** The Donald McKay ship <italic>Flying Cloud</italic> sets the all-time clipper record for the run from New York to San Francisco - 89 day and 8 hours. State Albany establishes a municipal water system. ** Irish immigrant James Malony begins commercial fishing operations out of Dunkirk, on Lake Erie. ** Stock is offered to the public for a Genesee Valley Railway, but sales are slow. ** The Rochester, Auburn and Syracuse Railroad receives a charter for a line along the Erie Canal. ** The policy of req Erie Canal tolls is abandoned. ** The National Temperance Convention meets at Saratoga Springs. ** Dr. Philo Hayes builds the mansion Hillside in Wyoming, to be used as a water cure sanitarium. ** Lewis Henry Morgan's <italic>League of the Ho-de-no-sau-nee, or Iroquois</italic> is published. ** The pamphlet <italic>Discovery and Explanation of he Source of the Phenomena known as the Rochester Knockings </italic> is published in Buffalo. It is among several claims that the knockings are produced by the voluntary partial dislocation of joints in the body. ** Amelia Bloomer introduces Elizabeth Stanton to Susan B. Anthony, in Seneca Falls. Batavia The Bank of the Genesee is reorganized as a national bank. ** The village's first businessman and postmaster, James Brisbane, dies. Rochester A 6,230 pound bell is cast to be hung in the second County Court House. ** Daniel Webster and Jenny Lind visit the city. ** Author-philosopher Ralph Waldo Emerson visits the city, is given a tour of the University of Rochester. ** The Fox family moves from Rochester to New York City, where they hold further seances. <bold>1852</bold> Mar 13 Uncle Sam first appears in a newspaper cartoon, in the New York weekly <italic>Diogenes, Hys Lantern</italic> (sic). Apr 2 Albany's Dudley Observatory, founded with the aid of Mrs. Blandina Dudley, is incorporated. Apr 21 Dion Boucicault's dramatization of Dumas' <italic>The Corsican Brothers</italic> premieres at New York City's Bowery Theatre. Jul 28 The Hudson River steamer <italic>Henry Clay</italic>, racing the steamer <italic>Armenia</italic>, catches fire, off of Fort Lee, New Jersey. Close to 60 people drown or burn to death. Sep 8 James William Walleck opens New York City's Walleck's Lyceum theater. Sep 27 Actor-playwright George L. Aiken premieres his unauthorized dramatization of <italic>Uncle Tom's Cabin</italic> in Troy. Dec 2 New York City Police evict the 1000 occupants of the Old Brewery building in the Five Points section of Manhattan in preparation for the demolition of this breeding ground of crime. City Shipbuilder Jacob A. Westervelt defeats Whig candidate Morgan Morgans to become Democratic mayor. ** The city is granted jurisdiction to underwater lands in the Harlem River. ** Collector Thomas Jefferson Bryan returns to New York after touring Europe since 1823. He opens a gallery in the New York Society Library on Broadway. ** English novelist William Makepeace Thackery arrives to give six lectures on English writers to the First Unitarian Society. State - The Erie Railroad builds a branch from Hornellsville to Buffalo. ** Seneca County surrogate judge J. K. Richardson retires. ** The Industrial Home Association founds the village of Mount Vernon. ** Brockport's Johnston Harvester works is destroyed by fire. The operation is moved to Batavia. ** Angelica's <italic>Allegany Co. Advocate</italic> merges with the <italic>Cuba Whig</italic> to become the <italic>Advocate and Whig</italic>. ** The Le Roy Female Seminary becomes Ingham Collegiate Institute (later Ingham University). ** Commodore Perry sails his flagship the <italic>USS Mississippi</italic> to Japan. Among the crew are state residents Jonathan Goble, marine, and Francis C. Pollay, ship's carpenter. Rochester A weighlock is built, on the canal. </fontfamily> David Minor Eagles Byte Historical Research Rochester, New York 716 264-0423 http://home.eznet.net/~dminor From [log in to unmask] Tue Apr 29 09:33:24 1997 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from MAIL.NYSED.GOV by unix10 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id JAA18937; Tue, 29 Apr 1997 09:33:24 -0400 Received: from DOMAIN1-Message_Server by MAIL.NYSED.GOV with Novell_GroupWise; Tue, 29 Apr 1997 09:34:41 -0400 Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]> X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 09:33:09 -0400 From: Daniel Lorello <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Cemeteries List Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline content-length: 1008 Warren, I never meant to imply that the Department of State maintained a complete list of all cemeteries in the state. When I visited the office to appraise the "Master Cemetery Index" and the Minutes of the Cemetery Board, I was told by Division of Cemeteries staff that the index contained summary information "on almost all" cemeteries in the state. When I asked what they meant by almost all they could not be more specific because they said that since the index has been maintained and updated since 1949 (when the division was first established by Chapter 533 of the Laws of 1949) there may have been some omissions, gaps, etc. However, they were fairly adamant on the point that to the best of their knowledge, the Master Cemetery Index constitued one of the most complete and concise listings of cemeteries in the state extant. I agree with you that there are probably gaps in this index, but it is nevertheless, an excellent source for researchers interested in cemeteries and related subjects. From [log in to unmask] Tue Apr 29 15:09:32 1997 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from mhv.net by unix10 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id PAA19507; Tue, 29 Apr 1997 15:09:03 -0400 Received: from [205.161.119.123] ([log in to unmask] [205.161.119.123]) by mhv.net (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA26442; Tue, 29 Apr 1997 15:09:44 -0400 Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]> To: Warren Broderick <[log in to unmask]>, "[log in to unmask]" <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: lists of cemeteries Date: Tue, 29 Apr 97 15:09:11 -0500 From: "Frederick E. Smith" <[log in to unmask]> X-Mailer: E-Mail Connection v2.5.03 content-length: 290 -- [ From: Frederick E. Smith * EMC.Ver #2.5.02 ] -- The New York City Municipal Archives has a great handout listing all of the cemeteries (including addresses and phone numbers), in the NYC Metro Area. I don't know if that information has been placed online anywhere. Frederick Smith From [log in to unmask] Tue Apr 29 18:13:43 1997 Return-Path: <[log in to unmask]> Received: from tip.nyslgti.gen.ny.us by unix10 (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id SAA19847; Tue, 29 Apr 1997 18:13:42 -0400 Received: from [167.152.13.11] by tip.nyslgti.gen.ny.us with SMTP (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/25-eef) id AA15672; Tue, 29 Apr 1997 18:14:20 -0400 Message-Id: <[log in to unmask]> X-Sender: [log in to unmask] X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 18:14:34 -0300 To: [log in to unmask] From: Suzanne Etherington <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: lists of cemeteries content-length: 479 Warren Broderick wrote: [snip]>...In other words, there is no one, easy source to consult. >But isn't that true for all local historical research? And I would add simply that that is true for all historical research, not just local, and half the fun is in the search for sources. Suzanne Etherington NYSARA Regional Advisory Officer for Region 6 Binghamton State Office Bldg, Floor #16 44 Hawley Street Binghamton, NY 13901-4406 voice: 607/721-8428/9 fax: 607/721-8431