I always ask: OK, what was the second? Few can answer that, unfortunately. Christopher Gray In a message dated 8/13/2013 2:34:31 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [log in to unmask] writes: I agree with Peter: Claims such as first, oldest, largest, etc. are only as good as the evidence/documentation, but many people are vehemently adamant and won't let that evidence/documentation trump their oral history or local myth." Clif