Ron Burch wrote:
>I haven't seen the Lorenzo newsletter illustration which Dan W.
references, but I am familiar with a drawing of the Holland Land Company
Hotel in Utica by the Baroness Hyde de Neuville. Inscribed "utica, 7bre
1807," the drawing is in the collection of the New-York Historical Society
and is illustrated in Richard J. Hoke, American Landscape and Genre
Paintings in the New-York Historical Society (1982, vol. II, pp. 192-193).
The text ascribes the structure to Samuel and John Hooker. The Baroness'
drawings, done in NY and NJ, are wonderful documents.
Ron is correct that the Baroness was the artist and I appologize for not
including that in my message. There is selection of her works in
daCosta Nunes, Jadviga M.
1984 Baroness Hyde de Neuville, Sketches of America, 1807-1822. State
University of New Jersey, Rutgers. New Brunswick, NJ
Also a few examples on the 'net:
http://www.nypl.org/research/chss/spe/art/print/exhibits/movingup/no3.htm
http://www.nypl.org/research/chss/spe/art/print/exhibits/movingup/no2.htm
http://www.nyhistory.org/works/wp1.html
http://www.hudsonvalley.org/crossroads/image/image27.html
http://www.jmu.edu/madison/center/montpelier/image1montpelier.htm
http://lcweb.loc.gov/exhibits/religion/f0614s.jpg
http://lcweb.loc.gov/exhibits/religion/rel06-2.html
http://www.artcult.com/americpaint3.htm
Is there a journal of her travels? Has anyone done an exhibition of her
upstate NY works? I have seen incredible watercolors of Balston Spa,
Cooperstown, Utica, and I think Geneva or Canadaigua ... They are
wonderful historical documents as well as beautiful to look at.
Dan W.
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>Rohit Aggawala wrote:
>Does anyone have information (or better yet, know of papers relating to)
>the York House Hotel in Utica? According to Bagg's 1892 Memorial History
>of Utica, it was begun in 1795 and opened in 1797 by agents of the Holland
>Land Company, although this seems unlikely given the Holland Land Company's
>policies. Either way, it was apparently the largest hotel in pre-Erie
>Canal Utica, and gave "Hotel Street" in Utica its name. Its original owner
>was Philip J. Schwartze, followed by Thomas Sickles and Henry Bamman. It
>apparently ceased to be a hotel, but the building survived at least until
>the 1880s, I think.
>
>
>The "Hotel" at Utica was indeed an impressive building for its time.
>Brick, three stories, and definitely out of its element in the fledgling
>city of Utica.
>
> In trying to find the architect for the mansion house "Lorenzo,"
built for
>Holland Land Company Agent John Lincklaen in 1807-1809, and now a State
>Historic Site, Russ Grills, the Site Manager, found that the Hooker family,
>father Samuel and sons Philip and John, were instrumental in designing and
>erecting several buildings in Utica, Rome, Whitestown, Otsego County, and
>Cazenovia. In all the cases identified (Lorenzo, "The Hotel" at Utica,
>Whitestown Court House, original Madison County Court House, and the
>Cazenovia Presbyterian Church) there was direct interaction with Lincklaen
>or other representatives of the Holland Land Company. Others like private
>residences such as Hyde Hall on Otsego Lake or institutional buildings such
>as the Chapel at Hamilton College have no apparent connection to the HLCo,
>so it is clear that the Hookers could work for whomever they chose.
> Philip Hooker is the best known of the family, having designed
scores of
>beautiful civic, religious, and residential buildings from the Capitol
>region to central New York. While he was involved in the design of many of
>these buildings in the "western" part of the state (ie west of Albany) it
>is clear that father Samuel and brother John, who resided for a time in
>Utica, were most likely the ones who saw that the designs were carried out
>and were the agents between the architect and the client. For example, the
>contract for the Cazenovia Presbyterian Church were writen by Philp Hooker,
>but it is believed that brother John Hooker was the one who oversaw the
>work done by master Carpenter Nathan Smith. John Hooker was also
>instrumental in building the Court House at Whitestown, and his plans were
>used to build the original Court House in Cazenovia. It wa also always
>said that Lorenzo, with its beautiful classically Federal design was from
>the Hooker eye and it is surmised that John Hooker was the architect,
>although it seems likely that Philip was the architect and John the
>supervisor for construction.
> I throw all this into the air because John Lincklaen, who built
Lorenzo
>and the original Madison County Court House, was instrumental in building
>"The Hotel" at Utica. In his research to find the architect for Lorenzo
>Russ Grills looked at "The Hotel" and you might want to contact him to see
>what else has turned up over the years. The e-mail at Lorenzo is
>"[log in to unmask]" or you can write at Lorenzo State Historic Site,
>Ledyard Ave., Cazenovia, NY 13035, or phone at (315) 655-3200.
> Russ wrote a wonderful article which apeared in the Lorenzo
newsletter
>years ago and an illustration of "The Hotel" and a brief mention was
included.
> As for Philip Jacob Swartz, he was one of Lincklaen's assistant in
the
>first days of Cazenovia (founded 1793) and he was for some time in the
>employ of the Holland Land Company in the Cazenovia Establishment. it
>makes sense that he worked for them in Utica also. As the HLCo. was
>interested in getting the country on its own feet I wouldn't be surprised
>if they didn't station him in the hotel to get it started and then have him
>buy it and carry on, much as they did with the various enterprises in
>Cazneovia. Also, remember that they had a similar tracts and community in
>Booneville (Oldenbarneveld). Before the Erie Canal Utica and Rome were the
>gateway to central New York and a jumping off place for over-land travel.
>The records at Lorenzo (Samuel Forman's Store) are loaded with reference to
>Utica connections. Jacob Post's Store in the heart of old Fort Schuyler
>was the Holland Land Company warehouse and base of distribution for this
>region and perhaps their western New York efforts as well.
> It is also interesting to note that although the Holland Land Company
>invested in various canal building projects in other states, they did not
>invest in the Western Inland Lock Navigation Company's work on the Mohawk
>River and into Oneida Lake. Considering that the HLCo owned most of
>western New York, it is interesting that they wouldn't buy into the plan
>that would open the way west.
>
> Dan W.
> http://www.rootsweb.com/~nyccazen/
> http://www.erols.com/weiskotten/resume.html
> http://www.erols.com/weiskotten/dansvita.html
>
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