How about trying the local Family History Center. The have lots of microfilm of
vital records and don't proseletize
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The New York State Library catalog lists two reference copies of this book. I
checked the CD-ROM catalog for the 10-county Capital District region and the
Johnstown Public Library is listed as owning a copy in their (reference) local
history collection.
No circulating copies were listed. If you could specify what you want, you
might be able to get photocopies.
I don't know which pages to ask for; I need to see it first. Maybe it is
available from SLC on microfilm. If not, I'll just have to wait until I get
to NY. Thanks for your response
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I am looking for information on the section of lower Manhatten known in the
mid 1850s to 1870s as Kleindeutschland, a heavily populated German part of
the city. Several of my German ancestors appeared to have settled there
during that time period. I'm trying to get a sense of what life was like
there, the living conditions, way of life, industries, churches, etc. and get
real details.
I'm also searching for similar information on Williamsburgh, Brooklyn c 1900.
Can anyone point out any historical publications or share any other anecdotal
info?
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Does anyone have ready access to the Journal of the NYS Assembly
for 1846, and be willing to look up some dates? The State Univ.
of New York at Buffalo is celebrating its 150th anniversary this
year. It was originally chartered in 1846 as the University of
Buffalo, and became part of the SUNY system in 1962. I would like
to know the dates that the resolution to charter the university
was introduced into each branch of the Assembly and by whom. The
final act to incorporate the University was passed on May 11th,
but I'd like to know when it was introduced, and also whether there
was any debate. I've looked through the reports on the Assembly
Proceedings as published in the Albany Argus, but didn't see
anything but the final passage. However, my eyesight is not what
it was an I may have missed it. Thanks.
Christopher Densmore
Christopher Densmore
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I would suggest two possible avenues to locate more information.
Since you know letters and/or articles were published in newspapers,
you might want to check to see what newspapers were published in
and around Schaghticoke for the period. The NYS Library has an index
of newspapers on microfilm available at the Library. These newspapers
are available through interlibrary loan.
Using the vital records index located at the NYS Archives, check to see
when the individuals died. When you have a date, look for an obituary in
the newspapers. If a person is prominent or interesting enough, the
obituary notice sometimes gives information about past endeavors.
The Archives and the Library are open Mon., Tues., Thurs. and Fri., 9-5,
and Wed. 1-5. The Library's reference desk number is 518-474-5355.
The Archives's reference number is 518-473-1202.
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On Wed, 31 Jan 1996 [log in to unmask] wrote:
> I am looking for information on the section of lower Manhatten known in the
> mid 1850s to 1870s as Kleindeutschland, a heavily populated German part of
> the city.
The new "Encyclopedia of New York City," edited by Kenneth Jackson, has a
short entry on Kleindeutschland (with a photograph of George Ehret's Alt
Heidelberg restaurant) and a longer article on Germans in New York. Both
entries are by Stanley Nadel, who has written a book on the area: "Little
Germany: Ethnicity, Religion, and Class in New York City, 1845-1880"
(1990). Two other titles that might be of interest: Agnes Bretting:
"Soziale Probleme deutscher Einwanderer in New York City, 1800-1860"
(Wiesbaden, 1981) and Philip Wagner: "Ein Achtundvierziger: Erlebtes und
Gedachtes" (Brooklyn, 1882).
Frank Newman
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There are no extant newspapers from Schaghticoke in the New York State
Library. Anyway, Schaghticoke is in Rensselaer County. There area two or
three people listed on the 1850 census from Schaghticoke as having "gone to
California."
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The attached message was received by the NYS Government
Information Locator Service. Does anyone out there have any
suggestions for this person? If so -- kindly reply directly.
Thank you.
NYS Government Information Locator Service
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Could use help in tracing the Westover name in the Schenectady area of =
New York in the early 1900's. It seems that my husbands grandfather was =
supposed to be involved with General Electric. Also they supposedly =
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I am interested in communicating with anyone connected with Martin Van Buren
research. Is there a museum in Kinderhook, or a library? I need information
about the Van Buren sons and would appreciate it if someone has an address or
phone number of someone who might be able to answer my question. Thank you.
Jane Dieffenbacher
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Dear Nyhistlers
The posting that just went out re: Van Buren is the first
sent in about 6 days. Has the cold and snow affected NY history
or do we have a cyberproblem? Let me know if you have recently
posted to the list.
Bill Evans for NYHIST-L
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Jane, I am using your message in a lesson about e-mail. Now we are
practicing sending mail.
Bonnie Churcher
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Bill:
You wrote:
>Dear Nyhistlers
(I suppose that's better than NY hustlers)
>
> The posting that just went out re: Van Buren is the first
>sent in about 6 days. Has the cold and snow affected NY history
>or do we have a cyberproblem? Let me know if you have recently
>posted to the list.
No, I've not posted to the list lately, but the list was so inactive I
re-subscribed, thinking I'd somehow been bumped off of it. I hadn't been.
Interestingly enough, the Early American History list has also been quiet
the past few days. Coincidence?
Edward H. Knoblauch
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Is the index to - New York newspapers on microfilm - available beyond the
State Library? How does one gain access without being there in person?
Frances Murray
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People of the List:
Bill says the list has been sparse lately and I have nothing
really important to say, but how about a few words from anyone interested
about what are the least researched topics in NYS history and why and what
if anything should be done about it. Are there topics which have been
done to death? (My vote on the done to death is the Shakers.)
How about news of new archival collections from all of us
archivists and librarians? I will post a couple of new collection notices
next week. Anyone else have any?
Bye for now listees; TGIF!
Jim
James Corsaro
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On Fri, 9 Feb 1996, Edward Knoblauch wrote:
> Bill:
> You wrote:
> >Dear Nyhistlers
> (I suppose that's better than NY hustlers)
> >
> > The posting that just went out re: Van Buren is the first
> >sent in about 6 days. Has the cold and snow affected NY history
> >or do we have a cyberproblem? Let me know if you have recently
> >posted to the list.
>
> No, I've not posted to the list lately, but the list was so inactive I
> re-subscribed, thinking I'd somehow been bumped off of it. I hadn't been.
>
> Interestingly enough, the Early American History list has also been quiet
> the past few days. Coincidence?
> Edward H. Knoblauch
>
>
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you tell me where to subscribe to the Early American History List?
Thanks Les
By the way I always check the postings to see if there is anyway I can
help. I have taught local and New York State and American history for 30+
years. Just haven't seen anything yet that I could help on. Just wanted you
to know that there are some of us watching even though it doesn't look like
it. Les Buell
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This request was posted on H-Local, an H-Net list for state and
local history. I thought NYHIST-L subscribers might be able to
help. As the person who posed the question does not subscribe
to NYHIST-L, please direct any answers to his private email
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Subject: Northern N.Y State history
From: [log in to unmask] Jean Martin
I am currently working on a historical survey of the area
stretching along the St. Lawrence river, on both Canadian and American sides,
between the dams at Beauharnois (Quebec) and Iroquois (Ontario). Opposite
those two provinces in that area are the counties of Franklin and St,
Lawrence in the State of New York and I would like to get in touch with some
local historians or historical societies in these counties. I am
also interested in contacting people or organizations working in the Ontarian
counties of Glengarry, Stormont and Dundas, and in the Quebec's counties of
Beauharnois, Huntingdon and Vaudreuil.
Jean Martin
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Hi Frances
You have asked the exact question I've been wondering about.
I need to search any papers for 1795-1836 for Richfield, Otsego Co
and Adams, Jefferson Co ,,or papers of neighboring areas.
Steve Beckwith
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Frances--
When you get an answer to the NY newspapers question and borrowing them
by ILL, will you please let me know? I need them too and live in VA.
Laura
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I'm also looking for newspaper information, specifically any papers published
in Brooklyn, NY for the year 1844. My great uncle, David W. Hinman died
there at the home of his brother, Grove P. Hinman and I`d like to get the
information as he was only in his 20's.
Thanks for your help.
Barbara Benjamin
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> Date sent: Fri, 9 Feb 96 9:55:48 EST
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> From: "Thomas M. Costa" <[log in to unmask]>
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> Subject: Northern NY History
I have sent Jean Martin the lists for local government historians
for Jefferson, Franklin, & St. Lawrence Counties (USA). She has
responded that she also has received a contact for the St. Lawrence
Seaway Commission. Can't help with Canada -- can someone else?
Patty Case, NYS Museum
> This request was posted on H-Local, an H-Net list for state and
> local history. I thought NYHIST-L subscribers might be able to
> help. As the person who posed the question does not subscribe
> to NYHIST-L, please direct any answers to his private email
> address which appears at the end of the message. Thanks, Tom
> Costa (tmc5a) Co-Editor, H-Local
>
> Date: Tue, 6 Feb 96 13:58:48 EST
> Subject: Northern N.Y State history
> From: [log in to unmask] Jean Martin
>
> I am currently working on a historical survey of the area
> stretching along the St. Lawrence river, on both Canadian and American sides,
> between the dams at Beauharnois (Quebec) and Iroquois (Ontario). Opposite
> those two provinces in that area are the counties of Franklin and St,
> Lawrence in the State of New York and I would like to get in touch with some
> local historians or historical societies in these counties. I am
> also interested in contacting people or organizations working in the Ontarian
> counties of Glengarry, Stormont and Dundas, and in the Quebec's counties of
> Beauharnois, Huntingdon and Vaudreuil.
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>
> Jean Martin
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On Fri, 9 Feb 1996, Jim Corsaro wrote:
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> People of the List:
>
> Bill says the list has been sparse lately and I have nothing
> really important to say, but how about a few words from anyone interested
> about what are the least researched topics in NYS history and why and what
> if anything should be done about it. Are there topics which have been
> done to death? (My vote on the done to death is the Shakers.)
>
My vote is the Palatines in the Hudson River and what happened to them
after the break-up of the camps. We know a great deal of what happened
to the ones who left - but very little of the ones who stayed behind.
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How about some information on how to find early vital records for Hudson and
Coxsackie NY. They seem to have been overlooked in the NY microfilming
projects. I'm referring to c 1780-1810. Where did they go?
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The Martin Van Buren National Historic Site is located on Route 9H in
Kinderhook, Columbia County, New York 12106. Snailmail address P.O.
Box 545, Kinderhook, NY 12106. Phone 518 758-9689. Bruce Stewart is
listed as the superintendent in my rather out-of-date Official Museum
Directory.
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>People of the List:
>
> Bill says the list has been sparse lately and I have nothing
>really important to say, but how about a few words from anyone interested
>about what are the least researched topics in NYS history and why and what
>if anything should be done about it. Are there topics which have been
>done to death? (My vote on the done to death is the Shakers.)
>
> How about news of new archival collections from all of us
>archivists and librarians? I will post a couple of new collection notices
>next week. Anyone else have any?
>
> Bye for now listees; TGIF!
>
> Jim
>
>
>
>James Corsaro
>Associate Librarian
>Manuscripts and Special Collections
>New York State Library
>Empire State Plaza
>Albany, New York 12230
>e-mail: [log in to unmask]
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>
>
>I wonder if someone could post a list of all the county historians in the
>state. That would be a big help to everyone. Especially if those on line
>are so listed so we can contact them. carol kammen
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I have an intern spending the spring term researching the first
turnpikes in New York, focused on those connecting Albany with the
West [Seneca Tpke, Mohawk Tpk, etc.].
He wants to find out when they were started and finished; where they
ran; etc.
There will be bits in each of the 19th century county histories, and
some general overviews in some of the transportation history
summaries. But he would appreciate any leads as to more specific treatments of
these turnpikes in the literature.
Phil Lord
NYS Museum
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Carol Kammen,
I absolutely agree that the county historians list [and for that
matter all government historians and chartered cultural agencies and
organizations] should be listed in a place that is accessible to all.
We are getting requests increasingly from organizations wishing to
set up regional networks. It is very inefficient to have to deal with
each of these in turn, when most clients have internet capabilities.
I was pleasantly surprised to see all the county clerks listed on one
of the Archives remote-access information data bases, and that prompted
me to ask why not local historians?
I am in contact with Jim Folts about this at present.
The chartered organizations list, which is also much in demand, may
take some preparation, as no-one has edited it.
Phil Lord
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Phil:
One area the intern might check is dissertations in geography as
well as history. For instance, one dissertation which might prove useful
is Michael Gimigliano's *Experiences along the Cherry Valley Turnpike:
The Education of a Traveler," which is a different sort of work in that
it attempts to merge historical, geographical and cultural sources to
describe a particular landscape. There are probably other dissertations
and articles in geographical journals which might also be of use.
We have a good deal of archival and cartographic material about
the various turnpikes in NYS, so he should spend some time in Manuscripts
as well.
Jim
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On Mon, 12 Feb 1996, Philip L. Lord wrote:
> I have an intern spending the spring term researching the first
> turnpikes in New York, focused on those connecting Albany with the
> West [Seneca Tpke, Mohawk Tpk, etc.].
>
> He wants to find out when they were started and finished; where they
> ran; etc.
>
> There will be bits in each of the 19th century county histories, and
> some general overviews in some of the transportation history
> summaries. But he would appreciate any leads as to more specific treatments of
> these turnpikes in the literature.
>
> Phil Lord
> NYS Museum
> [log in to unmask]
>
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>I have an intern spending the spring term researching the first
>turnpikes in New York, focused on those connecting Albany with the
>West [Seneca Tpke, Mohawk Tpk, etc.].
>
>He wants to find out when they were started and finished; where they
>ran; etc.
>
>There will be bits in each of the 19th century county histories, and
>some general overviews in some of the transportation history
>summaries. But he would appreciate any leads as to more specific treatments of
>these turnpikes in the literature.
>
>Phil Lord
>NYS Museum
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There is an MA thesis at Cornell about the Oxford-Bath turnpike which is
today Route 79 from Ithaca west. I believe it was done in the Hotel
School. I don't have a name or title but I assume your researcher can get
same from Olin Library. carol kammen
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>Carol Kammen,
>
>I absolutely agree that the county historians list [and for that
>matter all government historians and chartered cultural agencies and
>organizations] should be listed in a place that is accessible to all.
>We are getting requests increasingly from organizations wishing to
>set up regional networks. It is very inefficient to have to deal with
>each of these in turn, when most clients have internet capabilities.
>
>I was pleasantly surprised to see all the county clerks listed on one
>of the Archives remote-access information data bases, and that prompted
> me to ask why not local historians?
>
>I am in contact with Jim Folts about this at present.
>
>The chartered organizations list, which is also much in demand, may
>take some preparation, as no-one has edited it.
>
>Phil Lord
>[log in to unmask]
Philip Lord: Thanks for looking into this. I think it would be a great
service. At some point too, the names and addresses of the county
historical agencies (that is for the time you have nothing else to do!)
ckammen
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>I have an intern spending the spring term researching the first
>turnpikes in New York, focused on those connecting Albany with the
>West [Seneca Tpke, Mohawk Tpk, etc.].
>
>He wants to find out when they were started and finished; where they
>ran; etc.
>
>There will be bits in each of the 19th century county histories, and
>some general overviews in some of the transportation history
>summaries. But he would appreciate any leads as to more specific treatments of
>these turnpikes in the literature.
>
>Phil Lord
>NYS Museum
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Phil,
I was on the board of directors of the Onondaga Historical Association for
about twenty years, and one of our other board members by the name of
Richard F. Palmer, Barker St., Tully, NY 13159, presented a program several
years ago relating to the turnpikes, and he has published many books and
articles on transportation.
If you do a search on him as author, or contact him directly, he might be
willing to help.
Incidently, I own "Mills on the Tsatsawassa," and "War Over Walloomscoick"
that you have authored, and admire your work greatly. I believe I learned
more about the use of mapping, surveys, waterways and very specific
community history sources and methods than perhaps any other books in my
library.
Have you done any other titles of a similar nature?
I have an ancestor that had a farm adjoining the Battle of Bennington, and
as a Loyalist was much involved in the White Creek, Hoosick area. Your
books truly have a way of getting you in the mindset of the people and the
feel of the surrounds.
Best regards.
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The item on the New Jersey Historical Commission was alarming. Exactly what
did/does this Commission do: publishing, research, historic preservation? Is
there an appropriate place to send letters of protest?
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extensive list of the newspapers published formerly within the present
boundries of NYC is included in the Encyclopedia of NYC. I hope this is
helpful.
Jim Maguire
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Be sure to check the published volumes of Laws Of New York State. I believe
many turnpikes were established by act of legislature, and the bills give
dates and names of the company officers who then can be further researched.
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This is an answer for Carol Kammen, don't have her address but other List
members might also be interested to know there is a 1991 Directory of New
York State County & Municipal Historians book. Don't
know if this book has been up dated. For more info on getting a copy, write:
The New York State Education Dept. Division of Research & Collections, Room
3140 Cultural Education Center, Empire State Plaza,
Albany, NY 12230.
It's an absolute "must have" if your doing NY research.
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Re newspapers on microfilm: The New York Public Library (Research Division,
Fifth Avenue and 42nd St., NYC) had - maybe still has - a project called
the United States Newspaper Project which cataloged
newspapers including many obscure local ones from a variety of libraries
into RLIN. These are just catalog entries for newspaper titles, not
newspaper microfilm, but if you can get access to RLIN, which you generally
can from a large university library, you can find out where the newspaper
you're interested in is held, then ask that library directly if there is
microfilm and what it would take to get a copy.
--Julie Miller
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An article by Frank Rich in the _New York Times_ (12/30/95) on the
rejuvenation of 42nd Street mentions that ". . . Mayor La Guardia shut
down the striptease shows during the war . . . ." Is that correct? Was
it during WW II? I would have placed the shutdown as pre-war. Does
anyone on the list know? Thanks.
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Albany, NY
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Has anyone any information on something called the Broker's Club in
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Thanks in advance
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My great-grandfather W.R. Martin is said to have graduated from medical
school in Buffalo. Can anyone tell me the name(s) of medical school(s)
in Buffalo ca1870-1890? Thanks for any info.
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hi folks --
Evelyn C. Robinson (no relation, we tried!) :)
writes:
This is an answer for Carol Kammen, don't have her address but other List
members might also be interested to know there is a 1991 Directory of New
York State County & Municipal Historians book. Don't
know if this book has been up dated. For more info on getting a copy, write:
The New York State Education Dept. Division of Research & Collections, Room
3140 Cultural Education Center, Empire State Plaza,
Albany, NY 12230.
It's an absolute "must have" if your doing NY research.
.............
anyone know how much the book costs?
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The local government historians directory _is_ in the process of
being updated. Not sure when the new one is due out. The 1991 directory
included only addresses. I believe the new one will include phone numbers.
Carol also asked about e-mail addresses. Unfortunately, very few of the
historians are connected to the internet. At a County Historians Association
meeting about a year and a half ago, only three or four of those present were
connected or expecting to be soon.
BTW, the directory is published by the County Historians
Association of New York State (CHANYS).
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There have been requests for information on the NJ situation.
This is the latest I have. Looks like good company. Date: 02/12/1996 06:16 pm (Monday)
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I will be sending the open letter supporting the NJ Historical
Commission to NJ governor Whitman and various New Jersey newspapers within a
few days. Anyone who wishes to sign but has not yet done so should send
me a message at
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Thanks to everyone who has already signed. Several people have noted
that Gov. Whitman is planning other budget cuts that will also be
damaging to public history in the state. Let me apologize for limiting
this letter to the NJHC situation. but this seems to be the worst and
most irretrievable cut.
Below is the text of the letter with the current signatures.
Feb 12, 1996
Governor Christine Todd Whitman
State House, CN001
Trenton, NJ 08625-001
Dear Governor Whitman;
As public historians and supporters of public history, we are dismayed to
learn of your proposal to eliminate the New Jersey Historical
Commission. We are concerned that you may not be fully aware of the
important role of state historical offices, or of the excellent work that
the Commission has done in New Jersey.
Your proposal threatens an institution that has made a vital contribution
to the study of New Jersey history. The New Jersey Historical
Commission's publications and radio and video productions
have helped to educate the public in the state's rich history.
The Commission has earned a national reputation for its invaluable help
to museums, archives, and historical sites throughout the state. Its grant
programs have assisted in the training of hundreds of the state's public
history students and helped the state's historical archives attain the
highest standards of professionalism.
Elimination of the Commission will have damaging repercussions far
beyond the limited constituencies of historians and archivists. Historic
sites and museums are important educational resources for students and
the public, while historical archives are vital for the production of
many media productions as well as amateur and professional historical
studies. All of these resources will suffer without the help
provided by the Commission. The agency's own publications and
conferences are also a resource enjoyed by the general public as well as
professionals. Furthermore, the Commission's work enhances New
Jersey's appeal to visitors, and disseminates images of many aspects of
New Jersey life that can help to counter negative popular stereotypes about
the state.
We strongly urge you to alter your budget proposal to continue funding of
the New Jersey Historical Commission at current levels, and to consider the
agency as a high priority for future expansion in case of improvement in the
state's fiscal situation.
Signed,
John Hurley
Cofacilitator, PUBLHIST, the internet discussion group on public history
Ph.D. candidate, History of American Civilization, Harvard University
Former 17-year resident of Princeton, NJ
Dr. Paul H. Mattingly
Professor of History
Director of Public History program, New York University
resident of Elizabeth, NJ
Dr. J. Jefferson Looney
Department of History
Princeton University
Margaret Sherry
Reference Librarian/Archivist
Department of Rare Books and Special Collections
Princeton University Libraries
Donald F. Kent, MD, PhD
Adjunct Assistant Professor of History
Drew University
Mark A. Hewitt
Assistant Professor
School of Architecture
New Jersey Institute of Technology
Robert L. Collins
Treasurer, Metuchen-Edison Historical Society
Ronald Becker
Head, Special Collections
Rutgers University Libraries
Dr. Frank F. Katz
Professor Emeritus of Biology
Seton Hall University
Ben Primer
Princeton University Archivist
David Munn
Librarian, Atlantic County Library
Mays Landing, NJ
Edward E. Fox III
New Jersey Historical Trust
Paul W. Schopp
Librarian, Camden City Historical Society
Historical Consultant
West Jersey History Roundtable
Palmyra NJ
Robert Thompson
Historic Preservation Officer
Camden NJ
S. Christine Jochem
Archivist, Local History Department
Joint Free Public Library of Morristown and Morris Township, NJ
Susan H. Gulick
Director, Joint Free Public Library of Morristown and Morris Township
Lesley Douthwaite
Head, Local History and Genealogy Department
Joint Free Public Library of Morristown and Morris Township
Deborah Smith
Local History and Genealogy Dep't
Joint Free Public Library of Morristown and Morris Township
Camden City Historical Society
Rev. Augustine J. Curley, OSB
Newark Abbey and St. Benedict's Prep.
Newark NJ
Barbara Irwin Smith
Managing Librarian of Special Collections
University of Medicine and Dentistry of New Jersey
Dr. Harriet Lipman Sepinwall
Professor, College of St. Elizabeth
Cochair, New Jersey Studies Academic Alliance
Dr. William Bryans
Director, Program in Applied History
Oklahoma State University
Native of New Jersey
Dr. Richard Veit
Adjunct Professor of History and Anthropology, Monmouth University
South Plainfield, NJ
Robert Egan
President
New Jersey Library Association
History and Bibliography Section
Dorothy Hartman
Principal, Past Perspectives
Montague, NJ
Dr. Gary Saretzky
Rutgers University
Dr. Andrew Butrica
Historical Consultant
Franklin Park, NJ
Stacy F. Roth
Co-director, History on the Hoof
Visiting Scholar, Rutgers University
Robert L. Trelstad, MD
Professor and Chair,
Department of Pathology and Laboratory Medicine
Robert Wood Johnson Medical School
University of Medicine and Dentistry of New Jersey
Dr. Michael Birkner
Chair, Department of History
Gettysburg College
Former resident of Bergenfield, NJ
Dr. Kenneth Hawkins
Suitland Reference Branch
National Archives and Records Administration
Lindsey Reed
Managing Editor, The Public Historian
University of California at Santa Barbara
Douglass Dodd
Assistant Review Editor, The Public Historian
Department of History
University of California at Santa Barbara
Dr. David Vanderstel
Executive Director,
National Council on Public History
Dr. Jennifer Strand
Research Historian
Fraserdesign
Loveland CO
Dr. Michael A. Tomlan
Assistant Professor and Director,
Graduate Program in Historic Preservation
Cornell University
Gregory Koos
Executive Director
McLean County IL Historical Society
David Neufeld
Yukon and Western Arctic Historian, Parks Canada
Whitehorse, Yukon
Dr. Victoria Harden
Historian, National Institutes of Health
Director, Dewitt Stetton Jr. Museum of Medical Research
Mary K. Mannix
Library Director
Howard County, MD Historical Society
New Jersey property owner
Eve Carr
History Department
Arizona State University
Former resident of Morristown, NJ
Mary Ellen Bailey
Association for Northern California Records and Research
California State University at Chico
Dr. David Zonderman
Associate Professor
Public History Program
North Carolina State University
Neil Bethke
Loyola Marymount University Archives
Los Angeles CA
Josh Protas
Arizona State University
Dr. Rebecca Conard
Director, Public History Program
Wichita State University
Gordon Olson
City Historian of Grand Rapids, IL
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The University of Buffalo is celebrating its 150th anniversary this
year. The Medical School was the first part of the University to be
established, so it is also 150 years old in 1996. The old University
of Buffalo merged with SUNY in 1962 to become the State University
of New York at Buffalo. There was also a medical school attached to
Niagara University from 1883 to 1898, at which time it "amalgamated"
with the University of Buffalo Medical School. UB considered Niagara
Medical School alumni as its own alumni, so our list of Medical School
graduates covers both institutions.
William R. Martin: There is a "William Martin" in the class of 1881,
from Fort Erie, Canada. No middle name or initial is listed. There is
a William Nelson Martin in the class of 1867 from Cowlesville, New
York. There are several other graduates named Martin, but these are
the only ones named William.
There were also institutions in the 19th century teaching homeopathic
or other forms of medicine that the "official" medical profession
considered "irregular" and did not recognize. There were certainly
homeopathic doctors in Buffalo, but I don't know whether there was
ever a degree granting institution for homeopathic or other
"irregular" forms of medicine in Buffalo.
Christopher Densmore
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I'm looking for information on Col. Henry Beekman Livingston and his service
during the American Revolution. During the second half of 1776, he spent a lot
of time on eastern Long Island and eventually assisted evacuating residents to
the Connecticut coast. He commanded the 4th NY Regiment of the Continental
Army til Jan 1779. Haven't had much success locating primary source material,
would appreciate any leads. Thanks, Bob Winowitch
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The U.S. Newspaper Project for New York State is run out of the New York
State Library. There is a list available of newspapers that have been
cataloged and/or microfilmed. Bob Vines is now in charge of it.
Barbara Lilley
On Mon, 12 Feb 1996, Julie Miller wrote:
> Re newspapers on microfilm: The New York Public Library (Research Division,
> Fifth Avenue and 42nd St., NYC) had - maybe still has - a project called
> the United States Newspaper Project which cataloged
> newspapers including many obscure local ones from a variety of libraries
> into RLIN. These are just catalog entries for newspaper titles, not
> newspaper microfilm, but if you can get access to RLIN, which you generally
> can from a large university library, you can find out where the newspaper
> you're interested in is held, then ask that library directly if there is
> microfilm and what it would take to get a copy.
> --Julie Miller
>
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The LaGuardia and Wagner ARchives are owned by the LaGuardia Community
College. The archivist there is Aimee Kaplan. They are located in Long
Island City. 718-482-5065. They hold the personal papers of Fiorello
LaGuardia. LaGuardia's Myoral papers are on microfilm and are held by
both the Archives and the Municipal Archives of New York City Department
of Records and Information Services.
Barbara Lilley
New York State Library
Library Development
On Tue, 13 Feb 1996, Kenneth Blume wrote:
> An article by Frank Rich in the _New York Times_ (12/30/95) on the
> rejuvenation of 42nd Street mentions that ". . . Mayor La Guardia shut
> down the striptease shows during the war . . . ." Is that correct? Was
> it during WW II? I would have placed the shutdown as pre-war. Does
> anyone on the list know? Thanks.
> Ken Blume
> Dept of Humanities
> Albany College of Pharmacy
> Albany, NY
>
>
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To Cynthia Anne R. & all List members who are wondering:
I paid $20.00, paper back, in 1991 for the Directory of NY State
County & Municipal Historians -- no idea what what the price is now.
Evelyn
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On Tue, 13 Feb 1996, Kenneth Blume wrote:
> An article by Frank Rich in the _New York Times_ (12/30/95) on the
> rejuvenation of 42nd Street mentions that ". . . Mayor La Guardia shut
> down the striptease shows during the war . . . ." Is that correct? Was
> it during WW II? I would have placed the shutdown as pre-war. Does
> anyone on the list know? Thanks.
> Ken Blume
> Dept of Humanities
> Albany College of Pharmacy
> Albany, NY
>
>
Based on my work on WWII, I'd suspect this certainly was true.
In Chicago and Detroit as well as other large metropolitan
areas mayors shut down areas thought to attract "vice" -
and also prohibited women from entering saloons. It was
thought that women plus drink equaled prostitution -
or at the least, VD. In fact, during the training camps
in 1939 in the Midwest serious thought was given to registering
all of the women who served in local canteens, etc. so to
be able to tract VD contacts more easily!
Gretchen Knapp
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Eastern Illinois University
Charleston, IL 61920
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>hi folks --
>
>Evelyn C. Robinson (no relation, we tried!) :)
>writes:
>This is an answer for Carol Kammen, don't have her address but other List
>members might also be interested to know there is a 1991 Directory of New
>York State County & Municipal Historians book. Don't
>know if this book has been up dated. For more info on getting a copy, write:
>The New York State Education Dept. Division of Research & Collections, Room
>3140 Cultural Education Center, Empire State Plaza,
>Albany, NY 12230.
>It's an absolute "must have" if your doing NY research.
>
>
>............
>
>anyone know how much the book costs?
Whatever it costs, 1991 is not 1996 and people change. An updated list
would be the most useful, I think.
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Lillian Hall -
There was only one medical school. It is now part of the State University
of New York at Buffalo.
You can write to: Health Sciences Library
University at Buffalo
Abbott Hall
Buffalo, NY 14214
The phone number for their Reference Desk is: (716)829-3900.
I am certain they can help you.
Beverly Vander Kooy
University at Buffalo Libraries
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I'm researching my great grandfather,Charles Flood,from Mt.Vernon.He served in
the 6th NY Heavy Artillery for 3 years during the Civil War as a drummer boy.
Does anyone know if a regimental history exists for this regimentand how I mig
ht obtain a copy? Thank you Joe Baum
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>My great-grandfather W.R. Martin is said to have graduated from medical
>school in Buffalo. Can anyone tell me the name(s) of medical school(s)
>in Buffalo ca1870-1890? Thanks for any info.
Lllian:
The only one was the University of Buffalo. Its successor is the State
University of New York at Buffalo. The School of Medicine is at 3435 Main
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Copies of the 1991 directory are available for $10 from
Tom Eldred,
P.O. Box 7
Union Springs, NY 13160
The County Historians Association is working on an updated
directory which will _hopefully be available sometime this spring -- or
sometime later this year.
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Mr. Baum:
There is a history of 6th Heavy Artillery entitled, *Yonkers in
the Rebellion... by Thomas A. Atkins. There is a copy in the State
Library which must be read in the Library as it is both rare and fragile.
There is also a microfiche copy in the State Library's Microforms Unit.
You may want to contact that unit to see if they can make a fiche copy
for you.
James Corsaro
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New York State Library
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On Tue, 13 Feb 1996 [log in to unmask] wrote:
> I'm researching my great grandfather,Charles Flood,from Mt.Vernon.He served in
> the 6th NY Heavy Artillery for 3 years during the Civil War as a drummer boy.
> Does anyone know if a regimental history exists for this regimentand how I mig
> ht obtain a copy? Thank you Joe Baum
>
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A somewhat updated list of county historians is currently
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Last I looked they were up to Chautauqua county, they did mention
that they would permanently store the entire file at a location
to be determined on the NET, once the file is complete. They
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>>>>> "Tom" == Thomas John Lynch <[log in to unmask]> writes:
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Hi,
I'm the GEN-NYS-L list owner.
The "Genealogy Research in New York State" (GEN-NYS-L) mailing list
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What you will most likely find are scattered bits and pieces of
information, that together may or may not constitute a history. Charles
E. Dornbusch's Military Bibliography of the Civil War [title may be
slightly off], 3 vols. includes 1 vol. for Northern Units, state by
state, with holdings locations. [Most items are rare and do not travel.
Many are unique or brittle. Generally copies of lengthy or brittle
materials are virtually unobtainable, unless recently reprinted, which is
the exception rather than the rule]. Under New York (state), as for other
states, you should find artillery units listed first, in numeric order
(followed by cavalry, then artillery). The preface to the New York
section will include other essential works, that you might find useful to
examine: e.g.: New York in the War of the Rebellion, 7 vols., including
a name index, may be helpful. Unfortunately, our copy of Dornbusch is
severely buried in preparation for a 4/24 Reference workshop on Civil War
Reference Materials (which was delayed from 1/31 by the weather). Three
other basic sources that you might wish to examine are: (a) War of the
Rebellion: Official Records of the Union and Confederate Armies in the
Civil War, 124 vols. + Supplemental vols. in progress. This is also
known as the O.R. There is also a naval version, known in the vernacular
as the N.O.R., if the artillery was transported by H2O at some point.
Both the OR & NOR have General Indexes, that take some getting used to.
But once acclimated to the unusual style of access, which is more tedious
than difficult, it will take you directly into the printed version of
1st-hand reports and correspondence. You can find entries in the O.R.
under the heading for New York--Troops--Artillery, Heavy--Regiments--4th
(p. 701 of the General Index). There are 14 entries in 2 of the
sub-series of the O.R. Each entry refers to a "volume", which may
consist, in turn of up to 3 "parts" (each a physical tome). You must
check the index to each separate "part" of the "volume", under the same
original subject heading, to see where the subject heading will or will
not appear. (It may be in only 1, in 2, or in all 3 "parts". But, you
don't know until you look.) Entries in the index to each part will take
you to the page(s) on which entries occur. At that point you may or may
not need to check for the mention on the page, and to search for the
beginning or end of the report/letter, if only to discover from and to
whom it was written and on what date and perhaps under what
circumstances. Some entries will take you to orders of battle and the
units place in the scheme of things. E.g., was the 4th NY Hvy Arty.
attached to "X" brigade? To "Y" division? In whose corps? In which
Federal army? References to leaders and to military engagements (battles
and skirmishes) may also be searchable headings in the O.R., and ship
names in the NOR. So, you can see the research can escalate. But, I think
you'll find it fascinating. (b) U.S. Adjutant General's Office. Official
Army Register of the Volunteer Forces of the United States Army for the
Years 1861, 1862, 1863, 1864, 1865, 8 vols., 1861-65 repr.: see vol. 2:
New Jersey & New York, pp. 364-65. This will give you a sketch of the
unit make-up and history, battle honors, officers and officer casualties.
[New York in the War of the Rebellion will give capsule biographies of
officers, officer and enlisted casualty statistics, and other interesting
descriptive information.] Casualties are arranged under headings for:
Promoted, Resigned, Mustered out..., Discharged, Died, Missing,
Dismissed, Deserted in the Official Army Register. Officers of your
ancestor's unit (at all levels) may be searchable in the O.R. General
Index. By the way the O.R. is coming out on CD soon, which could speed a
lot of the search process. Sorry for the choppiness of this response.
(c) Dyer, Frederick H. A Compendium of the War of the Rebellion, 2 vols.
"Concise unit histories from mustering in to service comletion..."--Alan
Aimone, U.S. Military Academy (West Point, NY). See also his USMA.
Military History Bibliography and Guide (USMA Library Bulletin, no. 14C):
pp. 66-69 (deal with key resources on the American Civil War). You might
also wish to write to the NYS Archives, to the NY Genealogical and
Biographical Society; and to consult the National Archives work, Military
Service Records. Bertram Hawthorn Groene's book, Tracing Your Civil War
Ancestor should be still in print, perhaps in a new edition, and is not a
bad guide and starting point for research on your topic. Sorry for going
a bit overboard, perhaps in a tangental direction. But, I hope this
helps. Good luck.
Sincerely,
Mark Rothenmberg
Suffolk Cooperative Library System
Bellport, NY
On Tue, 13 Feb 1996, Jim Corsaro wrote:
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>
> Mr. Baum:
>
> There is a history of 6th Heavy Artillery entitled, *Yonkers in
> the Rebellion... by Thomas A. Atkins. There is a copy in the State
> Library which must be read in the Library as it is both rare and fragile.
> There is also a microfiche copy in the State Library's Microforms Unit.
> You may want to contact that unit to see if they can make a fiche copy
> for you.
>
> James Corsaro
>
> James Corsaro
> Associate Librarian
> Manuscripts and Special Collections
> New York State Library
> Empire State Plaza
> Albany, New York 12230
> e-mail: [log in to unmask]
> (518) 474-5963
>
>
> On Tue, 13 Feb 1996 [log in to unmask] wrote:
>
> > I'm researching my great grandfather,Charles Flood,from Mt.Vernon.He served in
> > the 6th NY Heavy Artillery for 3 years during the Civil War as a drummer boy.
> > Does anyone know if a regimental history exists for this regimentand how I mig
> > ht obtain a copy? Thank you Joe Baum
> >
>
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Dear Mark -
> Hi,
>
> I'm the GEN-NYS-L list owner.
>
> The "Genealogy Research in New York State" (GEN-NYS-L) mailing list
> web page is:
>
> http://www.mv.com/ipusers/wildcat/gen-nys-l.html
>
> On it you will find information about
>
> * mailing list subscribe/unsubscribe directions
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>
> My ISP provides me with 10M of web space and I'm looking to fill some
> of it with genealogy related information.
>
> If anyone else would like to provide information that is of a general
> genealogical interest and relates to New York State, I'd consider
> providing space for it here. Drop me a line at either email address.
>
> -marc
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>
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>
I'm working under the auspices of a SARA (State Archives and
Records Administration) grant to get primary references online,
and my project is to put together a website that incorporates a
lesson for the NY state fourth grade local history and
genealogy framework with the utilization of primary resources.
Once I get all together, would you be willing to place a
pointer there? The absolutely ROUGH ROUGH draft of the page is
http://www.nylink.org/wcfe/sara/sara.htm
Best wishes,
Pat
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Correction to my previous response. My error. At some point I substituted
the 4th for the 6th NY Heavy Artillery Regiment. Exclude specific p.
references, and comments specific to the 4th NY and I think you'll still
find the information supplied of help. Large public libraries and large
college and university libraries in your area are likely to have the
sources mentioned. Dornbusch is predominantly a listing of New York
Public Library's holdings (probably the region's finest collection of
Civil War unit histories). For the role of the regiment in various
campaigns and battles, you might also wish to examine various works on
them. Try the indexes and maps first. See also various atlases, e.g., the
O.R. Atlas is filled with wonderful period inaccuracies & understandings
that can help provide some insight into various troop movements. The West
Point Atlas of the Civil War has been criticized for inaccuracies, as
well, but still stands up well as an easy to follow overview. Battles
tend to be represented at the brigade level, and artillery somewhat
generically, but not always, and the text supplement may mention the 6th
NY. Vol 1 (covering the Civil War) has recently been released in a new
ed. The maps appear not to have changed, and the text, just marginally.
There are a number of so-called "encyclopedias" and "dictionaries", which
may be of help on filling in certain points. Anyway, hope this helps.
Sincerely,
Mark Rothenberg
Suffolk Cooperative Library System
Bellport, NY
On Tue, 13 Feb 1996, Jim Corsaro wrote:
>
>
> Mr. Baum:
>
> There is a history of 6th Heavy Artillery entitled, *Yonkers in
> the Rebellion... by Thomas A. Atkins. There is a copy in the State
> Library which must be read in the Library as it is both rare and fragile.
> There is also a microfiche copy in the State Library's Microforms Unit.
> You may want to contact that unit to see if they can make a fiche copy
> for you.
>
> James Corsaro
>
> James Corsaro
> Associate Librarian
> Manuscripts and Special Collections
> New York State Library
> Empire State Plaza
> Albany, New York 12230
> e-mail: [log in to unmask]
> (518) 474-5963
>
>
> On Tue, 13 Feb 1996 [log in to unmask] wrote:
>
> > I'm researching my great grandfather,Charles Flood,from Mt.Vernon.He served in
> > the 6th NY Heavy Artillery for 3 years during the Civil War as a drummer boy.
> > Does anyone know if a regimental history exists for this regimentand how I mig
> > ht obtain a copy? Thank you Joe Baum
> >
>
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I would like to retrieve the e-mail address for Jackie Westover who contacted
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One small addition to Mark's fine response. The Official Records
of the American Civil War are so difficult to use that Alan &
Barbara Aimone have written a book called >A Users Guide to the
Official Records of the American Civil War.< 1993, White Mane
Publishing. It is paperbound and will save hours of frustration
and rage when using the Official Records.
Bill Evans
NY State Archives
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Thanks for all the replies to my inquiry.Doing research in NY while living in
Seattle,Wa. can be challenging,especially for a novice.
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Subject: Re: Medical School in Buffalo late 1800s/THREE!
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In response to an early question about what Medical Schools were
in Buffalo ca. 1870-1890, the answer is now at least three:
The Medical School of the University of Buffalo, established in
1846, and now part of the State University of New York System.
The Medical School of Niagara University, established ca. 1884
which "amalgamated" with the University of Buffalo in 1898.
And, the College of Physicians and Surgeons of Buffalo, which
was incorporated in 1879.
The last named instituion was a "Homeopathic" school, which was
considered "irregular" by the Medical profession as represented
American Medical Association, but it was a functioning medical
school incorporated under NYS law and operating under the Board
of Regents. I don't know how long the school lasted, but it did
grant degrees in the 1880s and perhaps longer. As stated before,
the University at Buffalo archives has information on Medical
School graduates of Buffalo and Niagara, but I don't know what
records there might be of the College of Physicians and Surgeons.
Were medical school grads, including those from homeopathic
schools, somehow registered with the state? There was a journal
published called the PHYSICIANS AND SURGEONS INVESTIGATOR,
that seems to have been connected to the homeopathic college,
that was published from 1880 to 1889 that might be useful.
As an aside, there were two responses to the original query that
stated firmly that there was only one medical school in Buffalo
-- UB-- at this time. I suppose that should be a cautionary
note that the internet is a useful but not necessarily
accurate research tool. It is also problematical to assert a
negative. I can say with as close to absolute certainty as
humanly possible that my grandfather had one wife; I can't
say with equal certainty he didn't have two, and I certainly
can't actually prove he didn't have two.
Christopher Densmore
University Archives, State University of New York at Buffalo
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Hello,
I have some questions regarding leasehold property which I want
to put to the list.
I am researching the settlement (and unsettlement) during the period
from 1795 to 1820 of a land patent located in the uplands of Schoharie
County. This property (the "Byrne Patent," located in the western half of
the present-day town of Fulton) was owned by land speculator
Peter Smith and his partner John Jacob Astor. Smith (the father of Gerrit
Smith) managed the property with the help of local agents. Although Smith
wanted to sell the property outright, he was forced to lease most of the
land instead. He offered the land on leases that were valid "for ever,"
rather than on the life-time leases of some nearby estates. Smith also
offered the tenants the option to buy their farms outright during the
first several years they held their leases. (Most did not buy their land.
Many abandonded it and moved off.)
My questions are:
1) Are these leases on terms of "for ever" the same thing as
"durable" leases? (Or, rather, what are "durable" leases?)
2) What does it mean to sell the "rent and reversions" on a given
piece of property?
3) Also, I have questions regarding the transfer of these leases.
I have seen a number of these original leases (formally titled,
"indentures") that ended up back in Smith's possession after the tenants
surrendered them and abandoned the property. Many of these "indentures"
reveal that the original tenants transferred their leasehold rights to
other settlers; the backs of the leases are covered with succesive
agreements for the sale of the lease and the "improvements" on the given
property. (Of course, none of these transfers would be recorded in the
county clerk's office, as would be the case with sales of property "in fee.")
My final questions concern these transfers.
It seems that the the party who purchased the lease from the
original tenant (or whomever happened to have possession of it) was
granted all the rights within the lease to the given leasehold. But what
about the purchaser's responsibilities? If, for example, the purchaser
did not make the annual rent payments, against whom did the landlord
(i.e. Smith) have a legal claim for arrearages? The original tenant of the
lease or the latest holder of the lease? I have only seen the leases
which were eventually surrendered, and I guess that it might be possible
that the purchasers executed a "writing" (as they
referred to such instruments) in which they assumed the duties of the
lease and released the original tenant. I presume that if such "writings"
were executed, they would have been held by the selling tenants for their
own legal protection and so did not end up back in Smith's hands.
According to the leases themselves, the original tenants were
responsible to inform Smith within 30 days of any such sale (and to pay
up all arrearages then due). If not, the lease could be voided. (It
seems however that Smith seldom --if ever-- invoked this clause,
although on occasion he had to rely on his local agents to keep track of
the various transfers of leaseholds.) After Smith was informed of the
transfer, and the crucial arrearages paid, would he simply have released
the tenants from the responsibilities of their lease? I have seen
no mention that Smith did such a thing, he simply seemed to have moved
his attention to the new tenant, provided that all outstanding debts were
paid up (or "certified" by the new tenant). But what then if this new
holder of the lease stopped making payments. Of course, Smith could
eventually recover the property (and he did so often), but what claim did
he have for payments against the new holders of the leases?
Thanks for your attention
Ian McGiver
(Chicago)
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To nyhist-l users:
I am wondering if anyone has suggestions about books about New York
state that are out of print or generally unavailable that might be
republished? I would include under this monographs, indexes and general
reference works or valuable accounts of the state.
Any suggestions could come directly to me and I will compile a list
and after a week or so put it on line for everyone to see. Any help with
this will be most appreciated. carolkammen
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>Hello,
> I have some questions regarding leasehold property which I want
>to put to the list.
>
I have no answers to all of the interesting legal questions you pose,
however, I know that Syracuse University has a large collection of
manuscript maps regarding Peter SMITH's & Gerrit SMITH's holdings.
If you have access to RLIN you might want to try searching there for more
fodder.
Chances are there was legislation in NYS that resolved some of these
questions as I know that they did such, think in the 1820's to settle
problems of ownership on the Military Tract.
There are also thesis that have been written on this sort of thing, perhaps
you can do a CD-ROM search.
Good luck.
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I suggest Frederick Phisterer's monumental and indispensable New
York in the War of the Rebellion. This work has now been out of
print for several decades, and if you are fortunate enough to
locate a set on the used book market, will easily cost between
four and five hundred dollars. Moreover, used sets are more
often in very poor condition owing to the high acid content of
the paper used in the originals.
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I have watched the responses on med schools in Buffalo with interest.
When talking about these nineteenth century schools it is
useful to recognize that they were not the prestigious institutions
we know today. Here at Syracuse it was much easier to gain access to
the medical school than to the Colleges of Arts and Sciences. In the
1880's SU's med school was a business partnership of physicians who
associated with the University in order to take advantage of its
state chartered degree granting powers. I suspect the Univ of
Buffalo and Niagara U may have been similar.
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Dear Mr. Echerle:
I forwarded your letter to the National Archives -- Southeast Regon in
West Point, GA, that holds the draft records. Were they able to answer
your question? If you have not received an answer, please let me know.
Sincerely,
Constance Potter
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I received a copy of my uncles WW I service Record from the NY State
Archives
There is a code on the record that we can't seem to figure out. Maybe
someone out there has a clue.
Hon. disch. Aug 3/17 nn SCD what is "nn"
SCD means Service Connected Disability but does anyone know what
"nn" means.
Appreciate any suggestions
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I am working on a major illustrated history of New York City and am currently
doing research on the colonial and to some extent the early national era. I
would very much appreciate any assistance from those who know of
illutstrations or sources of illustrations that might be of interest. While
I am aware of some of the more common sources e.g. Stokes and the major
repositories, I certainly do not know of the full holdings. I would like to
know of old books or any kind of pictorial material that might be valuable.
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Thanks to Carol Kammen for the much needed question on
>unavailable< NY books. May I make a couple of small
suggestions. Carol said to respond to her directly. That's okay
if your shy but I, for one, would like to know your reasoning and
what you think. Dan Lorello did this in his respons
re:Phisterer.
Also let's use the subject line : Bibliography (Makes it easier
to keep track of). Dan's answer is a case in point, initially I
thought he was responding about the 6th Artillery thread that has
been running.
Just some ideas, Bill
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I suggest you try the library of the City of New York's Department of
Records and Information Services, 31 Chambers St., Suite 305, NY, NY
10007. 212/788-8607. You might want to talk to Deputy Commissioner
Henry Christman.
Also, try Joe Van Nostrand, Archivist for the New York County Clerk, 60
Centre St., NY, NY, 10007. 212/374-4781 or -4376.
I would imagine that both these places may be able to refer you to
others.
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There are numerous institutions that probably have the types of materials
you are searching for. The New-York Historical Society, The New York
Public Library, The Bronx County Historical Society, The Staten Island
Historical Society, The Museum of the City of New York, etc. etc. I
would suggest contacting them with specific requests.
Barbara Lilley
Conservation/Preservation
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> I am working on a major illustrated history of New York City and am currently
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> would very much appreciate any assistance from those who know of
> illutstrations or sources of illustrations that might be of interest. While
> I am aware of some of the more common sources e.g. Stokes and the major
> repositories, I certainly do not know of the full holdings. I would like to
> know of old books or any kind of pictorial material that might be valuable.
>
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One source would be the staff at Clermont State Historic Site in Germantown,
N.Y. Phone (518) 537-4240.
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How about some of the interesting archeological artifacts that have been
found in excavations by archeologists on the colonial waterfront of New York
City?
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It seems that recently most senders are leaving off any
identification at the end of the message. Often the only ID is the
internet address at the top, which is often impossible to decipher,
and one can't tell who is writing, from what institution, city,
state, or sometimes country.
Wasn't there a requirement at subscription to close each message with
name and address? It would certainly help.... my mother told me never
talk to strangers.
Phil Lord
New York State Education Department
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Phil is right. Please add someway for persons to get back to you
if they do not, for one resaon or anyother,wish to go through the
list.
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(I know, I generally forget to do it too)
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Would anyone be familiar with locations of Episcopal Methodist
churches around Chautaqua County, New York, as well as Ostego
and Niagara in the period 1820 -1860. Is there a directory
of these churches somewhere? My ancestors came from somewhere
in the U.S. to Canada in the 1840's. I do know that they
were Episcopal Methodists and belonged to the Niagara circuit
in the 1850's.
I would love to hear from anyone who has church/cemetery
information on these areas.
Also if anyone has access to the 1850 census for Chautaqua
County, New York (Ellington), I would dearly love a lookup.
Thanks so much for your help.
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start with Deputy TOwn Clerk Dave Travis or County Clerk Sandy Sopak,
both reachable at [log in to unmask], or Chautauqua Town Clerk
Cheryl Steinbach at [log in to unmask] Perhaps they may be
able to direct you to some sources re Episcopal Methodist (or Methodist
Episcopal Church records in their county.
RARNOLD
NYS Archives and Records Administration
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I understand there was an archaeological dig in Albany which uncovered
one of the earliest cemeteries there a few years ago. Does anyone know
if any of the findings were published?
Mike Bathrick
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> Date: Wed, 14 Feb 1996 18:46:13 -0600 (CST)
> From: Ian McGiver <[log in to unmask]>
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> Subject: leasehold property
In response to your legal history question, here is
some general information, unfortunately without seeing the
whole conveyancing instrument, I can't be certain that the
following completely answers all your questions.
Basically, what I am outlining here is the English
common law of leasehold entitlements, and the common law of
contracts. As far as the legal pluralism question of how
Roman-Dutch law might have influenced these rules, I cannot
tell you the answer to this off the top of my head, however,
I can refer you to an ancient 19th century treatise by the
New York Surrogate Court Judge Robert Ludlow Fowler,
_History of the Law of Real Property of New York_ (New York:
Baker, Voorhis and Co., 1895). Unfortunately this book is
hard to find, but I think the NYPL has a copy as does
Dalhousie University in Halifax, Nova Scotia. Anyway, I
don't think any of this Dutch law would have survived in the
case of the grants you are examining, because if they were
given as direct grants from the state, only the received
English common law would have applied, however, early
nineteenth century local (i.e. NYS) case law might be
applicable to your first and second questions. Once again
Fowler should be consulted on these issues.
It is important to know that leasehold tenure is
considered personal property or a chattel and that in
medieval times attempts to make leases into devisable
property (i.e. passed on through the generations) failed.
Thus, long leases were generally suspect and often treated
as suspect (See e.g.: 'Cotton's Case' (1613), _Godbolt_ 192;
E. Coke, _Commentaries on Littleton_, 18th ed. (London,
1823) at 45b, 46a.). Realty could not be handed down by will
and attempts at creating property interests out of leases
was seen as a way to circumvent the law. This changed in
the sixteenth century with the "Statute of Wills" (1540)
(See 'Risden v. Tuffin' (1597) _Tothill_ 122; 'Anon.' (1599)
_Cary_ 9) when it became possible to devise any kind of
property. Leases could be used as a form of conveyancing,
i.e. transfering interests in land.
A lease that did not have a term (for years or for
ever) was considered to be a tenacy at will (see Littleton,
sec. 68) and was not an estate in land. The question of
periodic or 'running' leases caused uncertainty until 1702
because the basic principle was that leases had to be either
at will or for a fixed duration. (See 'Leighton v. Theed'
(1702), 1. _Ld. Raymond_ 707 relying upon the judgment of
Brudenell C.J. and Pollard J. in a case from 1522, _Year
Book_ 14 Henry VIII Mich., f. 10 pl. 6. where it was held
that this kind of lease created a lease for one year and
then successive one year terms if the tenant with the
landlord's consent continued in possession one day into the
new year, fixing the lease for another one year term.)
> 1) Are these leases on terms of "for ever" the same
> thing as "durable" leases? (Or, rather, what are "durable"
> leases?)
Durable leases as defined by _West's Law Dictionary_
6th ed. at 503 are:
"Leases reserving a rent payable annually, with
right of re-entry for non-payment of the same and for the
term "as long as grass grows or water runs," or equivalent
terms." Thus, it would seem that durable leases are a form
of periodic tenacies, i.e. this is a one year lease that has
an ejection clause for non-payment of the annual rent (see
above discussion of 'running' leases).
> 2) What does it mean to sell the "rent and >
reversions" on a given piece of property?
Rent seems self evident. Reversions were often
confused with escheat, i.e. when someone forfeits an
interest in land to the original grantor (usually there is
escheat to the Crown or to the State, in feudal terminology
it was escheat to the Lord). There were two kinds of
escheat "propter delictum tenentis", which occured when the
tenant committed a felony, and "propter defectum sanguinis"
which occured with the tenant did not have any heirs to
inherit the interest. The difference between escheat and
reversions, according to Simpson (_A History of the Land
Law_, 2nd ed. (Oxford: Claredon Press, 1986) at 19, citing
P. Borrdwell, 'Estates in Land', 18 Iowa L.R. 425) is that
the escheat goes back to the Lord independent of the
interest in land created, (i.e. fee simple, life interest,
remainder, etc.) where the reversion is merely a question of
the "residue of the fee simple" (see ibid. at 78 citing
Milsom, 'Formedon before De Donis', 72 Law Quarterly Review,
391). In any case by the 19th century this would clearly
apply to reversions. What would happen if the leasehold
tenant died without heirs? Of the top of my head probably
the landlord would get the escheat (i.e. the state would not
inherit the lease). Once again I'd like to look at Fowler
for information here.
I think your question has to do with concurrent
leases, i.e. the Landlord grants A a lease for ten years and
then grants B a lease on the same property for 20 years,
concurrent with the first lease. This would be a lease with
rents and reversions, because once the first lease ended the
second leasee would get possession, before that time the
second leasee would only get the rent (See Megarry and Wade
_The Law of Real Property_, 5th ed. (London: Stevens & Sons,
1984 at 664). The second lessee would become the 'landlord'
of the first lessee.
> 3) Also, I have questions regarding the transfer of
> these leases. I have seen a number of these original >
leases (formally titled, "indentures") that ended up back >
in Smith's possession after the tenants
> surrendered them and abandoned the property.
Because of the Statute of Frauds, leases longer than
a year had to be in writing, and thus there had to be a
particular form of writing and the formalities that went
along with the type of conveyance (this raises the question
of entry and possession). Simpson (ibid. at 252) states
that there were two forms of leases, "for lease of fixed
terms a bargain and sale in writing" which was allowable
under the Statute of Uses (1535) which conferred legal
possession (Simpson, ibid., note 44, cites Littleton as
stating that livery of seizin was needed if a bargain and
sale deed was not used) or an indenture. I can't tell you
if the livery of seizin in 19th century New York state
entailed such medieval formalities as the handing over of a
clump of earth on the transfer, but in England this was not
abolished until the 1925 reforms (see Megarry and Wade
647-48 and Simpson 252) when entry was no longer required
for the lease to take effect. If there was no possession
(i.e. no entry by the tenant), then a legal interest
(normally without possession, entry onto the land or livery
of seizin only equitable interests are created) called
'interesse termini' was created which was not an estate in
land which meant there could be no reversion on it. This
also created problems of the types of remedies which were
available to the person only holding the 'interesse
termini'. It sounds like these indentures required entry
onto the land in order to not be considered as merely an
'interesse termini'.
Under the Statute of Uses the "lease and release"
form of conveyancing became popular. A bargain and sale
lease was created (usually for a nominal payment), which
gave the tenant an immediate legal interest and then a
release was executed, with the balance of the purchase price
being paid that conveyed the reversion to the purchaser.
This was used to sidestep the Statute of Enrolment (passed
at the same time as the Statute of Uses) which required all
legal interests in freehold by bargain and sale made by
indenture which had to be enrolled at the King's Court of
Record at Westminster or the county where the land was
situated. Leasehold indentures did not have to be so
registered, and the releases also escaped the application of
the Statute of Enrolment. This allowed for secret transfers
of land and according to Megarry and Wade "this remarkable
transaction [the lease and release] was the classical form
of assurance for all kinds of ordinary grants and
settlements in the eighteenth and early nineteenth
centuries" (at 1171). No doubt at the time of the American
revolution, this was the common law in New York State.
Lease and release became obsolete in England in 1845.
Queare: Did the leases you are studying really circumvent
the registration with the clerk (i.e. there was also a
release) and thus operate as a secret land transfer in order
to avoid some kind of public liability like land taxes?
> My final questions concern these transfers.
> It seems that the the party who purchased the lease
> from the original tenant (or whomever happened to
> have possession of it) was granted all the rights
> within the lease to the given leasehold. But what
> about the purchaser's responsibilities? If, for
> example, the purchaser did not make the annual rent
> payments, against whom did the landlord (i.e. Smith)
> have a legal claim for arrearages?
Basically you are asking a question about the
assignability (versus subletting) of leases and the
convenants to which the lessee is bound. Leases as such
were assignable, unless they stated that they weren't or
some limitation was put upon them (i.e. landlord's
approval). After the rule in 'Spencer's Case' [(1583) 5
_Co. Rep._ 16a], when a lease was assigned the new lessee is
entitled to the benefit and subject to the burdens of all
covenants and conditions 'touching the land' under the
doctrine of privity of estate (as opposed to privity of
contract). This is not something that can really be summed
up in a paragraph (see Megarry and Wade at 742-60 for a
detailed summary or R. Bernhard, _Real Property_ (St. Paul:
West's Publishing, 1981)) but for your purposes, let me give
you a brief summary. As to what burdens can be transfered?
Basically, anything that touches and concerns the land
passes with the assignment (even if it is for only part of
the original property). This includes burdens such as
paying the rent, (for the lessee) and providing water to the
premises (by the lessor). As this question was litigated a
lot in the nineteenth century one would have to do a
specific legal search for any specific convenant adn see if
there were any NYS precedents, if not, the certainty of
enforcing that particular covenant against subsequent
assignees might be questionable, though it would always be
enforceable against the original lessee, even after
assignment.
What are the conditions for assignment? First,
there must be due form (i.e. oral tenacies greater than a
year cannot be assigned) and the assignment must be for the
whole term (i.e. anything less is a sublease which would
mean that the landlord could not sue the sublessee, but only
the sublessor or original lessee [who are the same person]).
One can contract to assign a convenant, but this creates
only an equitable assignment (i.e. the title of the land is
still in the hands of the sellor), and the burden may only
affect occupiers. (I don't want to get into the difference
between equitable and legal interests).
Once the lease is assigned, the original lessee is
still liable for any breach of the contract between the
landlord and the lessee, because of the doctrine known as
privity of contract (assignment does not terminate the
contract betweeen the two original parties). However, the
transfer between the lessee and the assignee may be subject
to some kind of warranty of indemnity (i.e., the assignee
will reimburse the original lessee if the landlord recovers
from the original lessee for any breach of a convenent by
the assignee). The landlord could also decide to go after
the assignee. The original lessee may also be able to argue
that the assignee (and all subsequent assignees) a receiving
the benefit of the land, so they should ultimately pay,
(this is a principle of quasi-contract) however, the
landlord always has the right to go after the original
tenant. Of course the landlord can also go after the
current assignee.
I hope this answers all your questions. Sorry for
the length and if the discussion of some of these points is
legalistic, that is the result of a legal education that I
find hard to circumvent. If you need any specific
information re: citations let me know, as it turns out your
questions touch on certain issues related to my research in
property law in pre-confederation Quebec (Lower Canada,
Canada East). Good luck on your research.
Alex Roshuk
History Department
McGill University, Montreal
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I agree -- letters always should be signed! and in most case additional
"identifying information" is helpful.
I often have to ask for USPS address to forward materials that are not
currently available in electronic format.
Walt Steesy
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Dear Jim,
Was your reference to the Encyclopedia of NYC newspapers in answer to my
question of papers in 1844 for Brooklyn, NY for the death record of my
gguncle David W. Hinman?
If so, where can I find this book or if someone has it would they be willing
to look the information up for me?
Thanks for your help,
Barbara Benjamin
Hanson, MA
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Subject: NYS legislature
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I am searching for the legislative history of a bill passed in 1923 by
the New York State legislature. Could some one tell me if there are
any records -- assembly or senate debates, committee hearings reports
etc., available, and where they might be found?
Peter J. Galie
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Further response to Phil Lord (NY State Museum) inquiry about history
of turnpikes in New York State:
Daniel B. Klein and John Majewski have produced several economic
studies of the turnpike and plank road movements in New York State.
While they do not study the cultural and geographic aspects of these
roads, they do include many bibliographical references. The starred (*)
items include small-scale but apparently accurate maps, prepared by Chris
Baer of the Hagley Museum. Here are the citations:
Daniel B. Klein and John Majewski, "Economy, Community, and Law:
The Turnpike Movement in New York, 1797-1845," Law & Society
Review, 26:3 (1992), 469-512. (*)
Daniel B. Klein, "The Voluntary Provision of Public Goods? The
Turnpike Companies of Early America," Economic Inquiry, 28 (1990), p.
788 etc.
Daniel B. Klein and John Majewski, "Private Profit, Public Good, and
Engineering Failure: The Plank Roads of New York," IHS Working
Paper 88/3 (Institute for Humane Studies, George Mason University,
Fairfax, VA, Oct. 1988), 42pp.
Daniel B. Klein and John Majewski, "Plank Road Fever in Antebellum
America: New York State Origins," New York History, 75:1 (Jan. 1994),
5-38. (*)
John Majewski, Christopher T. Baer, and Daniel B. Klein, "Responding to
Relative Decline: The Plank Road Boom of Antebellum New York,"
Journal of Economic History, 53:1 (1993). (*)
Hope these references are helpful.
Jim Folts
Head, Research Services
New York State Archives
Cultural Education Center Room 11D40
Albany, NY 12230 USA
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Mr. Galie --
Please call the NY State Archives in Albany, NY at 518-474-1195
to see if an Archivist can assist you. There may be a Bill Jacket [file
of pre-enactment memoranda], in which case you will need the Chapter
number and Legislative year.
Ellen M. Gibson's NEW YORK LEGAL RESEARCH GUIDE [Buffalo: Wm.
Hein & Co., 1998] is recommended as the key authority on this kind of
research. We have a copy available for interlibrary loan.
We have current and superseded NY Consolidated Laws 1909 forward]
plus the Session Laws back through the Colonial period [1777 forward].
Ellen R. Fuller, Law Librarian
Phone: 315-435-2063
Syracuse Supreme Court Law Library
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500 Courthouse
Syracuse, New York 13202
Phone (315) 435-2063
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On Tue, 20 Feb 1996, Peter J Galie wrote:
> I am searching for the legislative history of a bill passed in 1923 by
> the New York State legislature. Could some one tell me if there are
> any records -- assembly or senate debates, committee hearings reports
> etc., available, and where they might be found?
>
> Peter J. Galie
> [log in to unmask]
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I am currently researching the role of women in the glove industry in NYS.
I would be interested to learn of any information or sources that anyone might have.
I would especially like to find out if there are any letters, diaries, or similar sources
written by or referring to women's work. Any information would be appreciated.
Susan L. McCormick
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Phil, your mother taught you well!! My apologies to you and the other members
of this list. My name is Bob Winowitch, I work for the Water Resources
Division of the U.S. Geological Survey on Long Island. My interests are
primarily NY in the American Revolution(particularly the states contributions
to the Continental Army, it's soldiers of the Line, 4,5 regiments of infantry
and 1 of artillery.) I'm serching for primary materials scattered throughout
the country. I would eventually like to put together a history of NY troops
during the War. My other interest is the history of the developement of water
use in the state. Again, sorry to add confusion to an excellent source for
communication.
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You might want to check with the Taimament Labor Archives at NYU and the
Internat. Labor Relations archives at Cornell...Good luck.
>
> I am currently researching the role of women in the glove industry in NYS.
>I would be interested to learn of any information or sources that anyone
might have.
>I would especially like to find out if there are any letters, diaries, or
similar sources
>written by or referring to women's work. Any information would be appreciated.
>
>Susan L. McCormick
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>SUNY Albany
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Adele A. Lerner, Archivist
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This is a very good question. A preliminary survey of the site was done,
and human remains were carefully uncovered and recorded. This work led to a
much more extensive excavation of perhaps the entire cemetery, since the
remains would have been destroyed by a new parking garage. A detailed report
on the preliminary survey was written and may be available from the City of
Albany. A different archaeological contractor did the second, more complete
excavation, and I have been unable to find out whether a report on the
findings was ever written. The excavation was done very well and very
carefully. The human remains were, I believe, analyzed by Dr. Richard
Wilkinson, a highly qualified physical anthropologist at SUNY Albany. A copy
of the written report on the preliminary survey may be available from the
Planning Office of the City of Albany. If you find a report on the second
phase of the work, however, let me know. I fear there may not have been
funding to have a full report on the human remains written, which would be
most unfortunate. I do know the remains were extremely fragmentary and
difficult to study. One body was too long for his coffin, and his feet were
cut off. It would be nice to know, however, little details such as how many
of the women smoked clay pipes, the ages of death, evidence of previous
injuries, etc.
Note: This cemetery was not in Fort Orange. Fort Orange was a fort
that stood some distance away. The cemetery was in the village of Beverwyck,
which later became the City of Albany.
Paul Huey
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After the NYS Archives and Records Administration's recent post to this
list regarding the NYS county guides to historical resources, we
received a suggestion we found useful concerning the guides
themselves.
Many in the state know the publications as the "Red Guides," a product
of the Historical Documents Inventory conducted by the New York
Historical Resources Center (HRC) at Cornell during the late 1970s and
the 1980s. When the HRC closed in 1993, the NYS Archives and
Records Administration (SARA) assumed responsibility for printing and
distributing them. Order forms are available from
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If you have access to the Internet, the complete order form is available at
http://unix6.nysed.gov/services/grant/guides.htm
Vicki Weiss
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You mentioned artifacts from archaeological digs. Where would I find them or
information about them?
Howard Rock
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Ellen,
Thank you for your response. I did check the bill jackets for that
bill in question no memoranda or correspondence available and of
course I did consult your book, The Journals I have not consulted.
That may be my last hope . Why shouod I usse the internet when we
have you right here in Buffalo?
Peter Galie
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I suggest that you contactb Paul Huey, the historical archaeologist in the
NYS Dept of Parks, Recreation and Historic Preservation who conducted
the original Fort Orange dig in the late 1960s-early 1970s. Paul knows the
most about this and related sites. His number: 518/237-8643.
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I am trying to locate exactly the old town of Boyle, NY. I know it was =
in the vacinity of Palmyra but I need a little better description to =
determine where it was as various counties split off of Ontario Co. =
Thank you.
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Suggest you try Palmyra Village Clerk Bonnie Hayes. Also, Ontario
County Records Program, Director is Hans Finke,
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One place that has a large collection is the South Street Maritime Museum.
New York University Anthropology Department also has or had an active urban
archeology program. Also, you might contact Dr. Nan Rothschild at:
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Re: Methodist church records in Western NYS
You should try to get a look at the book, Guide to Vital Statistics
Records of Churches in NYS, 1942. This book done by the WPA is dated, but
remains the single best source for what church records were available in
1942 (and hopefully are still available). You might also try Drew
University in Madison, NJ which has a large collection of Methodist
Church archives from around the U.S.
Good luck!
James Corsaro
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On Fri, 16 Feb 1996, Debbie Cartmer wrote:
> Would anyone be familiar with locations of Episcopal Methodist
> churches around Chautaqua County, New York, as well as Ostego
> and Niagara in the period 1820 -1860. Is there a directory
> of these churches somewhere? My ancestors came from somewhere
> in the U.S. to Canada in the 1840's. I do know that they
> were Episcopal Methodists and belonged to the Niagara circuit
> in the 1850's.
>
> I would love to hear from anyone who has church/cemetery
> information on these areas.
>
> Also if anyone has access to the 1850 census for Chautaqua
> County, New York (Ellington), I would dearly love a lookup.
>
> Thanks so much for your help.
>
>
> Debbie Cartmer
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Hello,
I am trying to track down information on the Motts, a family that
owned and leased land in Schoharie County circa 1804. (They may well have
owned land elsewhere and at other times.)
The information I have is from references to Schoharie County court
documents
which list Hannah Mott as the "executrix of Abijah Mott, deceased" who
was listed as the "leasor" in a number of suits against "tenants." The
only information I have been able to track down so far regarding these
court cases is from a "Docket of Judgements." I am not holding my breath
that I will find any further information on the cases. Nor do I have the
opportunity to do so at this time. But what I am actually interested in
doing is to find out information on the tenants in these cases. I am
trying to track their patterns of movement. So what I am
primarily interested in finding out about the Motts is to learn where
their land was located.
Thanks for your help
Ian McGiver
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Dept. of History
University of Chicago
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[This came across my mailbox. I hope some Ny-histers can
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Tom Costa
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Dear People at American History,
I am trying to do a report on the American Revolution in Dutchess County New
York. My mom says that this is costing a fortune to find stuff, which I
can't. This report is due on March 1st and I'm running out of time. I'm in
the 4th grade and the libraries around here are really crummy. Anyway I'm
not allowed to use the internet anymore this month for trying to get this
information unless i get some place specific that can help me. Do you think
you could tell me of someone that might have some information about this
subject? I would really appreciate it. I need some stuff about Sybil
Ludington and other local people. Well, thanks even if you can't help. Bye.
Danny Baskey (my mom's email is [log in to unmask])
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This letter is in response to Susan McCormick's inquiry regarding women
workers of New York State glove factories:
The Tioga County Historical Society in Owego, NY has letters between two
sisters who both worked for the Kaiser Glove factory in Owego as well as one
(or several) diaries of Lucy Meddaugh who worked at the Candor leather glove
company in Candor, NY (also Tioga County). You are welcome to call me to
discuss these resources at (607) 687-2460 or write the Society at: 110 Front
Street Owego, NY 13827.
Joann K. Lindstrom
Curator of Collections
Tioga County Historical Society
Owego, NY
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Dear folks,
Does anyone have access to the Brooklyn, NY Eagle newspaper articles and
obituaries from Jan. 2, 1844 through Jan 30, 1844 or can tell me where I can
rent or get the microfilm through inter-library loan?
I am looking for info on the death of David Worth Hinman who died Jan. 2,
1844, age 23, at the home of his brother, Grove Porter Hinman in Brooklyn,
NY.
I"d pay for any copies, parking, reasonable research time involved if someone
could look up the information for me.
Thanks
Barbara Benjamin
Hanson, MA
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I would start with former Dutchess County Historian Joyce Ghee, who
lives in Hyde Park, I believe ansd should be a very informative source of
information. Good luck.
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>I would start with former Dutchess County Historian Joyce Ghee, who
>lives in Hyde Park, I believe ansd should be a very informative source of
>information. Good luck.
>
HI!
Read your message to the grade four student. I am also interested in
Dutchess CO. but for genealogical purposes. How do I contact Joyce Ghee or
the Genealogical Society's address.
Thanks,
Paula Mooney
Researching: Catherine CLEMENTS
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Please send all replies to the 4th grader to the .aol address
listed in the original request. He is not a subscriber to
NYHIST so anything posted to the list will not get to him
unless it's copied to his mother's email address. I'd be glad
to pass anything along, but I unfortunately deleted the
original message. Tom
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I don't have it handy, but you can get Joyce Ghee's phone number through
directory assistance in the 914 area code. I do not think she is on-line as
yet.
I always thought that Sybil Luddington was a Putnam County historical
figure, in which case Sally Sypher, the Putnam County Historian might be a
better contact. I do not know her digital capabilities either.
Neil Larson
Hudson Valley Study Center
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Brooklyn Main Library has microfilm
data on all Eagle Newspapers. Contact
them @ 718-780-7729.
Lots-a-luck,
George Caulfield
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Tom:
The request from the 4th grader troubles me. Before we rush to his
aid I think we should wonder what the assignment was and when was it given?
Did the teacher ask him to go out and find everything he could or was he
directed to sources too difficult for him? Or, did he wait so long he had
no opportunity to follow the teacher's crafted lesson.
Local historians get any number of requests of this sort. I
believe in helping anyone -- and I do mean anyone-- find the information he
or she needs but except for special circumstances, I do not pass on
information to others or tell them "the whole story of." I certainly aid
anyone who can't get out, the elderly, etc.
But I have enough faith in most school teachers that their
assignments are not scattershot affairs and are planned with certain
lessons in mind. Or at least I hope they are.
I think we need to make sure that the lesson this child and others
learn is that history is not something handed to them, that there are ways
of proceeding, and that assignments should be taken seriously.
I have deleted the child's original message so I forget what he
actually asked for. And, I do hope he gets his lesson done in time. But
done well, too.
carolkammen
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Thanks to everyone for their help regarding my genealogical research in
Dutchess Co. NY.
Paula Mooney
Researching: CLEMENTS, CLEMENS, RICHARDSON, MOONEY, GILLIS, KIRJAVAINEN,
MCCURDY
>I don't have it handy, but you can get Joyce Ghee's phone number through
>directory assistance in the 914 area code. I do not think she is on-line as
>yet.
>
>I always thought that Sybil Luddington was a Putnam County historical
>figure, in which case Sally Sypher, the Putnam County Historian might be a
>better contact. I do not know her digital capabilities either.
>
>Neil Larson
>Hudson Valley Study Center
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A graduate student of mine is doing research on the Jubilee Day
celebrations of July 4, 1827--the date when the last slaves in NY State
were freed. I would be grateful to know if anyone on the list has come
across accounts of, or references to, this event in the archives.
Ted Burrows
Brooklyn College
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On Feb. 28 Ted Burrows wrote:
A graduate student of mine is doing research on the Jubilee Day
celebrations of July 4, 1827--the date when the last slaves in NY State
were freed. I would be grateful to know if anyone on the list has come
across accounts of, or references to, this event in the archives.
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Ted,
David Williams published a book in 1992 about similar heritage
celebrations. His book, JUNETEENTH, UNIQUE HERITAGE: AN HISTORICAL
ANALYSIS OF THE ORIGIN AND EVOLUTION OF THE 19TH OF JUNE CELEBRATION IN
TEXAS, covers states other than Texas. I believe New York celebrations
were mentioned, but cannot be sure.
The librarian at the Anacostia Museum, in Washington, Thomas F. Bickley,
could probably help you. The Anacostia Museum hosts an annual
Juneteenth event, continuing the tradition of freedom celebrations.
They have other smaller publications on the subject and may have
vertical file references that may be of further assistance. You can
contact Tom by e-mail at [log in to unmask], or by phone at
(202)287-3380.
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While researching the military service record of one Barney
Vedder (Private, 18th New York Volunteers) for a patron, I came
across the following citation which has me perplexed.
Apparently, Barney didn't take too well to combat and
consequently he was "Sent to Rips Raps for cowardice for term of
enlistment." Does anybody have any idea as to what "Rip Raps"
refers? I can find no mention to such a location in the standard
Civil War reference works. More intriguing is the fact that rip
rap is crushed stone used in construction projects. For example,
large quantities of rip rap was used for the various enlargements
of New York's canal system during the 1850s, 1860s, and 1870s.
Is it possible, that instead of a place, the citation refers to
Vedder's actual means of punishment--breaking big rocks into
little rocks which was a traditional military punishment? I'd
appreciate any thoughts or ideas on this subject.
Daniel Lorello ([log in to unmask])
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