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1997 LARRY J. HACKMAN RESEARCH RESIDENCY PROGRAM -- Deadline
September 30, 1996

The New York State Archives and the Archives Partnership Trust
announce the availability of awards for qualified applicants
(those working on doctoral dissertations or at the postdoctoral
level are particularly encouraged to apply, but any advanced
research will be considered) to pursue research (advanced work in
New York State history, government or public policy) using the
holdings of the New York State Archives.   Projects involving
alternative uses of the Archives, such as background research for
multimedia projects, exhibits, documentaries, and historical
novels, are also eligible.  The topic or area of study must draw,
at least in part, on the holdings of the New York State Archives. 
Preference will be given to projects:  (1) that have application
to enduring public policy issues, particularly in New York State,
(2) that rely on holdings that have been little used and are not
available electronically or on microfilm, and (3) that have a
high probability of publication or other public dissemination.

A total of $15,000 will be available beginning in February 1997
for research to be carried out during 1997.  Awards of $6,000
each will be made for in-depth research over a substantial period
of time, and awards of $1,500 each will be made for shorter
research visits.  The awards are intended to defray costs of
travel, living expenses, and other research-related expenses.

Complete program announcement and application forms are
available:
-via gopher at:  gopher.sara.nysed.gov
-via the WWW at:  http://www.sara.nysed.gov
(found  under  Whats New at SARA)
or from:  Jill A. Rydberg, Archives Partnership Trust, Cultural
Education Center, Room 9C49, Albany, New York 12230; phone: 
518-473-7091; fax:  518-473-7058; e-mail: 
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              Summer Internships in Historical Geography

WHO: Students interested in working with historic maps, travel narratives, 
remote sensing techniques, and field data relating to inland navigation and
 transport systems in the early republic era [c1790-1820] in New York 
State.

WHERE: New York State Museum [with State Library and State Archives 
access], Albany, NY.

WHAT: Completing discrete projects relating to:
                      - early road networks
                      - turnpikes
                      - military campaigns by water
                      - inland navigation history
                      - historic markers
   as part of a multi-year statewide research project on the history 
and field remains of the inland navigation network of natural and 
artificial waterways that pre-dated the Erie Canal.

Contact: Philip Lord, Jr. at Room CEC 3097, Empire State Plaza, 
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Can any one tell me the origins of the street name Church Street in Brooklyn?
 Would this be named after the church where the famous Rev. Beecher preached
in the last century?  

Jim Maguire
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I have an intern trying to finish up a project for which she needs to 
get some more information on the history of the Oneidas during their 
exile in Schenectady and return to Oneida after the Revolution. She 
is also looking for data on the trade in corn between white settlers 
[around Oneida Lake and points west] and the Oneidas at, or near, 
Oneida Castle.

She has looked in what appeared to be the obvious sources, both
 published and manuscript.

Any suggestions from the list would be helpful. Is anyone familiar 
with the Kirkland Papers at Hamilton College?

Philip Lord, Jr.
NYS Museum
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>>Can any one tell me the origins of the street name Church Street in
Brooklyn? Would this be named after the church where the famous Rev. Beecher
preached in the last century?  

Jim Maguire
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Jim,

I'm a bit hampered by not having a Brooklyn street map immediately available.
The church where Beecher preached was the Plymouth Church of the Pilgrims
(1847), located on Orange Street, near Henry Street. So I don't think that's
the church you're looking for. While poking around in The American Guide
(Hastings House, 1949) I did come across the Flatbush Reformed Dutch Church
and Parsonage (1793), located on Church AVENUE. Of course there may be a
Church STEREET in Brooklyn also, that's where the lack of a good street map
hurts.

You might want to give the Brooklyn Public Library's Brooklyn Collection
staff a call, The most recent number (1988) I have for them is (718)
780-7746. If it looks like the Flatbush church is the one, you might try
calling the Flatbush Historical Society - (718) 856-3700. Both sources accept
telephoe inquiries.

Hope this is of some help. Let me know if you learn anything further, or post
to the newsgroup.

David Minor
Eagles Byte Historical Research
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Philip Lord:
        There is a paragraph in an 1832 letter at the Westchester
Historical Society that describes the Oneidas (not in flattering terms) but
I know that descriptions are scant.  The librarian is Elizabeth Fuller a
very good woman and the letter will be reprinted in The Westchester
Historian in the summer issue.  It is not much, but would be a nice bit of
detail to fit in.
        Good luck,  carol kammen


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The Essex Community Heritage Organization (ECHO), located in the National
Register-listed hamlet of Essex (NY) on Lake Champlain, sponsored a local
oral history program in the 1970's.  We have a small but locally valuable
archive of tapes and transcripts left over from that period.  Now we would
like to take measures to evaluate and protect those "old" tapes and conduct
additional oral history interviews.  In addition to preserving the
recollections of area residents, we hope to make them more accessible via a
publication and/or mixed media production.

We are seeking advice on:

A)  how to evaluate and conserve the audio tapes we have,

B) training materials and/or workshops in operating oral history programs
and conducting oral history interviews, and

C) last, but certainly not least, possible sources of oral history funding.

We'd appreciate any suggestions on the above.

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Robert J. Hammerslag
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Essex Community Heritage Organization
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I do not know of sources for the creation of oral history records 
although you might try the New York Council on the Humanities at 
212/233/1131.

The NYS Conservation/Preservation for Library Research Materials awards 
grants to preserve library and archival materials and the preservation of 
audio tapes is a fundable activity.  We only fund the preservation of the 
tapes, not the cataloging and we do not fund digitization projects.  The 
next deadline is Dec. 6 1996.  If you would like a copy of the most 
recent application/guidelines and to be on our mailing list please send 
me your snail mail address.

For technical assistance in finding the best method to preserve audio 
tapes you could contact Marty Hanson the Preservation Administrator at 
Syracuse University.  She is also responsible for the Belfour Audio Lab.  
Her email is [log in to unmask]  tel. 315/443/1947.

Barbara Lilley
NYS Conservation/Preservation Program Officer

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Thanks to the several people who replied to my first request for information
on the Civilian Conservation Corps. Some of the suggestions look promising. I
still hope that this will reach someone with more that I have not located, so
I am repeating the message one more time. 
     Looking for information on the Civilian Conservation Corps Camp in what
is now Stony Brook State Park in Dansville, Livingston County, New York. I
believe that the camp was in business at least as early as 1935. The camp
later became a German Prisoner of War Camp during WWII.
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Looking for sources of information on General Hand's Brigade of General
Sullivan and Clinton's Army during their excursion into western New York
during the American Revolution. I am especially interested in a unit called
Sellins Rifles that was attached to Hand's Brigade. Thanks Les Buell
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Dear NYHIST-L members,
I've been asked to pass along this announcement by the Women's 
Studies Department at the University at Albany.
Gerry Zahavi

CONFERENCE ANNOUNCEMENT

Gender in International Perspective: Cross Cultural Approaches to
Research and Teaching

June 12, 1996
The University at Albany, SUNY



The University at Albany will be the site of a one-day conference on
Gender in International Perspective: Cross Cultural Approaches to
Research and teaching.  Scheduled in conjunctions with the University
at Albany's three-year project, "Internationalizing Women's Studies,"
funded by the Ford Foundation, the conference is open to the public
and is intended for faculty,students and others interested in Women's
Studies, Area Studies, and Ethnic Studies.

The conference will follow a two-day seminar at which some 30
participants from Africa, Eastern Europe, Latin America and the
Caribbean, and the United States will discuss comparative and
cross-cultural approaches to the study of women.

Guest scholars representing the above regions and a wide range of
discipllines will be the featured speakers at the conference.  They
include: Rhoda Kadalie (South Africa), Nalova Lyonga (Cameroon);
Krassimira Daskalova and Kornelia Merdjanska (Bulgaria); Valentina
Konstantinova and Marina Palei (Russia); Norma Stoltz Chinchilla
(Central America), and Mary Garcia Castro (Brazil).

Conference themes will include: Feminisms around the world: theory,
research, and practice; Curricular issues in the USA and abroad;
Women's Place in an increasingly interdependent world: democracy,
development and technology.

For further information regarding the conference or the preceding
seminar (limited to 30 participants), and to receive a conference
brochure, contact: Francine Frank, Co-Director "Internationalizing
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The Regional Council of Historical Agencies (RCHA) is holding its Annual
Conference at the Munson Williams Proctor Institute in Utica, NY, on
Monday May 6th. The title of the Conference is Changing Opportunities In A
Changing World. Sessions will explore creative ways for historical and
cultural agencies to interpret their collections, reach their communities,
and find the financial support needed to carry out their preservation and
presentation of history.  The Conference will consist of six morning
sessions with a keynote address by Fred Wilson, award-winning curator, in
the afternoon. 

Morning sessions will address collecting folklore materials, corporate 
sponsorship, working with volunteers, interpreting African American 
history, basic conservation, and using art to teach history.

Wilson has gained national recognition for his work in reinterpreting 
museum collections. He is a visual artist from NYC who curated an 
award-winning exhibition entitled, Mining the Museum. He will speak about 
the current and future roles that museum objects play in defining the 
interactions between institutions and their constituent communities. 
Wilson's talk is funded by the NEH as part of RCHA's Rural Life Seminar 
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To end the Conference, Munson Williams Proctor Institute Museum of Art 
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Vendors from Central New York will be available to show off their 
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be held to benefit RCHA, and participants are invited to bring items to 
contribute.

This Conference is for all individuals who work or volunteer in 
organizations that preserve and promote the history and culture of their 
regions. RCHA is a non-profit educational agency which offers workshops 
and technical assistance to historical organizations across upstate New 
York.  The cost of this day-long Conference is $20 for RCHA and MWPI 
members, and $30 for non-members. Those seeking information and a 
Conference brochure should contact RCHA @ 1-800-895-1648. This Conference 
is sponsored by RCHA and the Munson Williams Proctor Institute.

- submitted by Suzanne Etherington, RCHA Board Chair
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There are letters written by Francis Adrian Van Der Kamp written in 1792 
which described a trip he made from Kingston N.Y., up the Mohawk River, 
across Oneida Lake, down the Oswego River to Lake Ontario.  There is good 
eyewitness discription of the Oneida villages he encounters on his trip.  
The full text of these letters can be read as Appendices to a "Centennial 
Address delivered at Trenton, N.Y. . . ." in 1876 (published 1877 at 
Utica, N.Y.) by John F. Seymour.

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	| | He doesn't own a T.V.,  |     |        Ed Vermue
	| |                         | OOO |        Assistant Librarian
	| | and he reads Adbusters. | OOO |        Penfield Library
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On Wed, 3 Apr 1996, Philip L. Lord wrote:

> I have an intern trying to finish up a project for which she needs to 
> get some more information on the history of the Oneidas during their 
> exile in Schenectady and return to Oneida after the Revolution. She 
> is also looking for data on the trade in corn between white settlers 
> [around Oneida Lake and points west] and the Oneidas at, or near, 
> Oneida Castle.
> 
> She has looked in what appeared to be the obvious sources, both
>  published and manuscript.
> 
> Any suggestions from the list would be helpful. Is anyone familiar 
> with the Kirkland Papers at Hamilton College?
> 
> Philip Lord, Jr.
> NYS Museum
> [log in to unmask]
> 

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It might be worth checking  "The Balloting Book and Other Documents Relating
to Military Bounty Lands In the State of New York, Packard & Benthuysen,
Albany, 1825. This has some obviously Native American names listed as
receiving  "Bounty Lands".











                                                                       Dennis
Lewis
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I'm not sure this was relevant to the original posting, but as
it relates to the general topic in the header, I won't pass up
the opportunity:

Christopher Densmore, "New York Quakers Among the Brotherton,
Stockbridge, Oneida and Onondaga, 1795-1834," MAN IN THE
NORTHEAST 44 (1992): 83-93.

Which is based largely on the records of New York Yearly
Meeting and Philadelphia Yearly Meeting of the Society of
Friends. There is some good ethnographic information on
the Oneida, Brotherton and Stockbridge in the NYYM records,
which are in the Haviland Records Room, New York Yearly
Meeting, 15 Rutherford Place, NY, NY  10003, most mostly
after 1800.

Christopher Densmore
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I am a doctoral student at Syracuse University engaged in a search
for information about early graduate work in the field
education.  I am specifically investigating the doctorate of
pedagogy offered by Syracuse University in the early 1900's.

A potential source of information is the Journal of Pedagogy founded and 
edited by Dr. Albert Leonard of Binghamton, NY in the late 1800's. The 
Journal reportedly moved to Syracuse U. with Dr. Leonard in 1897.
When Leonard left Syracuse in 1900, editorship is said
to have been assumed by SU Professors Jacob Street and Wm. Metzler. 

I have not located any record of the Journal of Pedagogy in the
SU Archives.

Question #1.  Can anyone help me locate copies of the Journal from
1895 - 1925?

Question #2.  Is anyone aware of other doctoral degrees of pedagogy
offered before 1925?  I hope to distinguish this degree from its
relatives, the PhD or EdD in Education.
  
Thank you.

*  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *
Deborah J. Tyksinski			phone (315) 792-7151
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     I have been reading with interest the exchanges of information on CCC
structures in State Parks.  I work for the Office of Parks, Recreation &
Historic Reservation, and there is currently in our office a student intern
who is doing research on this subject.  Unfortunately, we are not on-line,
but I have given this intern copies of your query and the responses, and she
was very grateful to know of your interest.
     She says the CCC camp in Stony Brook State Park was open September 13,
1935, to January 1, 1936.  This camp was identified by the camp code SP-55.
 She found some information indicating Stony Brook housed a World War I
veterans' camp.  The Dansville newspaper from this period contains articles
on the founding of the CCC camp as well as different social, recreational,
and educational aspects of the life of CCC camp enrollees there.
     If you wish to write to our intern, her name and address is:
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The New York State Library has vol. 1-20 of this journal.

On Tue, 9 Apr 1996, Deborah J. Tyksinski wrote:

> 
> I am a doctoral student at Syracuse University engaged in a search
> for information about early graduate work in the field
> education.  I am specifically investigating the doctorate of
> pedagogy offered by Syracuse University in the early 1900's.
> 
> A potential source of information is the Journal of Pedagogy founded and 
> edited by Dr. Albert Leonard of Binghamton, NY in the late 1800's. The 
> Journal reportedly moved to Syracuse U. with Dr. Leonard in 1897.
> When Leonard left Syracuse in 1900, editorship is said
> to have been assumed by SU Professors Jacob Street and Wm. Metzler. 
> 
> I have not located any record of the Journal of Pedagogy in the
> SU Archives.
> 
> Question #1.  Can anyone help me locate copies of the Journal from
> 1895 - 1925?
> 
> Question #2.  Is anyone aware of other doctoral degrees of pedagogy
> offered before 1925?  I hope to distinguish this degree from its
> relatives, the PhD or EdD in Education.
>   
> Thank you.
> 
> *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *
> Deborah J. Tyksinski			phone (315) 792-7151
> 					fax (315) 792-7222
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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The University of Buffalo had a short-lived School of Pegagogy,
1895-1898, under the direction of the noted educator Frank N.
McMurray. The school did offer the degree of Doctor of Pedagogy.
However, in its short life, the School granted only two
doctorates.

The records of the School are in the Univerisity Archives of
the State University of New York at Buffalo.

Charles R. J. Collins' dissertation, THE HERBARTIAN TEACHERS
COLLEGE UNIVERSITY AT BUFFALO SCHOOL OF PEDAGOGY, 1895-1898,
State University at Buffalo, 1969, describes the school. See
also Collins, "The Univeristy of Buffalo School of Pedagogy,
1895-1898" in NIAGARA FRONTIER 19 (Summer 1972), 30-41.

NIAGARA FRONTIER was the magazine of the Buffalo and Erie
County Historical Society. Unfortunatlely, it is no longer
being published.

Christopher Densmore
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I posted a reference to an article of mine on Quakers among the
Oneida, Brotherton and Stockbridge. When I wrote that piece, I
had not seen the "DEAN FAMILY PAPERS" at the Indiana Historical
Society which have a great amount of information on Indians in
New York State, the move of many of the Oneida, Brotherton and
Stockbridge to the west in the 1810s - 1820s, and legal issues
involving New York and Wisconsin lands through the 1860s.

There are also related Dean Papers at the State Historical Society
of Wisconsin, mostly concerning the removal of Indians to Green
Bay and subsequent legal issues. These have been microfilmed.

The following articles are based on the Dean Papers:

Paul Weer, "Thomas Dean and the Delaware Towns." PROCEEDIGNS
OF THE INDIANA ACADEMY OF SCIENCES 56  1946: 26-32,
concerning the proposed removal to Indiana; and John Candee
Dean, ed. "Journal of Thomas Dean: A Voyage to Indiana in
1817" in the INDIANA HISTORICAL SOCIETY PUBLICATIONS 6 (1918):
273-345.

Christopher Densmore
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To Paul Huey and his intern at OPRHP working on this subject:

I have been doing research on Wood Creek, which runs west of Rome to 
Oneida Lake and was part of the inland navigtion network connecting 
Albany to the Great Lakes. This has been ongoing for five years. It 
has also involved a great deal of field survey of the stream.

The stream is full of meanders, some of which are cut off with 
straight channels. Some of these are of historical interest and can be 
dated by use of maps. Others, which are obviously 20th century yet 
for which there is no record, were probably done to imporve the 
channel for drainage or flood control.

Would the CCC have been employed in such works and how could one 
search for a record of this?

Phil Lord
NYS Museum
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>Hi!  I am curious to learn more about the Cortland Dutch Reformed Church in
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I am about to begin researching information about a mid-19th century
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designing the form for the records and am seking recommendations from anyone
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I have a primitive oil painting I would like to identify and, perhaps, 
authenticate. The subject is one end of a canal barge with a girl 
seated on the edge. The barge appears to be about 5 ft wide and at least 
25 ft long, the bottom is angled up at the end for about 5 feet leaving 
the stern (probably the same on both ends) about 1 ft  high by 5 wide. 
The top of this "stern" is curved across the top, thus extending up about 6 
inches more. There is a large iron ring centered on the stern. The girl 
has a long braid, white blouse and plaid skirt, is facing away from the 
viewer, and appears to be dozing. The sky is gray overcast and the sun is 
only visible as a brushed shape, being nearly the same color as the sky. 

The sides of the channel are indistinct, and the land beyond appears to 
be low sand hills with no vegetation. The canvas is very yellowed on the 
back and cut tight to the painting and has been folded vertically, 
cracking the oil into several panels. There is no signature or other mark 
to indicate artist, locale or date. It is not likely to be a local 
(Idaho) work, since there were few or no canals in the area. Although 
primitive, the work is not hard on the eyes, and convincingly depicts 
calm, rest and simplicity.

I can supply a xerox of the painting since it is still unmounted and 
unframed. Please email me with suggestions and comments if you have any 
interest in this subject. 

Karl A. Petersen
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     I would like some background information on Arthur P. Abbott of Highland
Falls, N.Y. He was an early-20th-century preservationist and historian active
until about World War II.  In 1914 he published the book THE GREATEST PARK IN
THE WORLD: PALISADES INTERSTATE PARK, ITS PURPOSE, HISTORY, AND ACHIEVEMENTS.
 In 1915 he published THE HUDSON RIVER TODAY AND YESTERDAY.   His research
included the identification of the location of the grave of Margaret Corbin,
who was wounded in action while serving a cannon during the Revolution on
November 16, 1776, and was the first woman pensioned by the United States
government.  In 1930 he wisely opposed the proposal to build a reconstruction
of  historic Fort Montgomery, an archeological site in the Highlands, because
it would ruin the beauty and quiet of the site and destroy the original,
still visible remains.   He wrote letters to THE NEW YORK TIMES on a variety
of subjects, including history and politics.
   He is listed in the State Library card catalogue as Arthur Platts Abbott,
born in 1867.  Is this correct, and what is the source?  THE NEW YORK TIMES
has an obituary for Arthur Pope Abbott of Montclair, N.J., who died in 1957,
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I suggest you try the Canal Museum, at the Weighlock Building in
Syracuse, New York.

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If you can send a xerox, or better yet color photographs of the 
details of the painting, we can try and identify the boat type, etc.

Five feet is very narrow for a canal barge, but there were a number 
of narrow river boats that would generally fit the description, and 
in some areas, such as New York State, these boats did pass through 
short by-pass canals prior to the completion of the statewide canal 
networks of the early 19th century.

Philip Lord, Jr.
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consider Info Select and "infobase" from Micro Logic. You do not need to
worry about "fields" because it is free form. Simply take your notes
in the program, or in a word processor. Info Select lets you search
for strings across all your notes in just a few seconds. The search
mechanisms and logic is not as sophisticated as fixed form databases
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Karl Petersen describes the "barge" in the painting to be "about 5 ft
wide", and "at least 25 ft long", and that its stern curves upward at 
the back for 6" (etc.)

Philip Lord, Jr. points out that:

"Five feet is very narrow for a canal barge, but there were a number 
of narrow river boats that would generally fit the description, and 
in some areas, such as New York State, these boats did pass through 
short by-pass canals prior to the completion of the statewide canal 
networks of the early 19th century."


But there is no vegetation or other items in the picture which would help the
viewer measure sizes and distances; so I presume that the twenty-five-foot
estimate, the 6", etc. are based on a comparison with the girl sitting on
the vessel.  However, the painting is labelled a primitive, and one
should be wary of such a yardstick, since a characteristic of primitive 
paintings is that a human, when pictured, is often quite out of proportion 
with objects in his or her surroundings.

Nick.














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We found some deeds from the 1600s that contain reference to "Dutch feet"
or "Amsterdam wood measure".  We would like to know if there exists
an accurate conversion to English feet.  These deeds are for property
in the Schenectady Stockade area.  Any help would be appreciated.

Nancy Gifford
203 Lincoln St.
Scotia, NY  12302
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An Amsterdam foot, linear measure, was equal to 11.143 inches. Conversion 
tables for linear, dry, and liquid measures relating to 17th-century 
Dutch records can be found in any of the volumes in the published series 
New York Historical Manuscripts, and New Netherland Documents. They 
constitute translations of the archives of New Netherland.

Charles Gehring
New Netherland Project
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On Fri, 12 Apr 1996, Gifford wrote:

> 
> We found some deeds from the 1600s that contain reference to "Dutch feet"
> or "Amsterdam wood measure".  We would like to know if there exists
> an accurate conversion to English feet.  These deeds are for property
> in the Schenectady Stockade area.  Any help would be appreciated.
> 
> Nancy Gifford
> 203 Lincoln St.
> Scotia, NY  12302
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I am looking for information on hotels in Homer, Ny, Oswego, Ny, Auuburn
and Geneva, NY during the winter 1871-1872. Where is the best place to
look?

Barbara Taylor

Barbara Taylor
Original Cataloger
340 Myron Taylor Hall
Cornell University Law Library
Ithaca, NY 14853

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Although I can offer no assistance in the identification of this painting, I
would like to say I am so pleased that someone has posed a question regarding
a historical object via this forum.

As a museum curator, it is wonderful to know that people still seek scholarly
opinions regarding the objects they possess.  

Joann K. Lindstrom
Curator of Collections
Tioga County Historical Society, Owego, NY
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If a building has been listed on the State and National Registers of Historic
Places, what protections are offered?  For example, Herkimer County is
considering the construction of a new county facility to house all offices
and the courts.  The beautiful, historic courthouse now in use needs much
renovation.  If the county chooses to abandon it, what happens?  Will there
be restricitons on a new owner?  Can a listed building be demolished?
What if a listed site, like an old stone bridge for instance, is threatened
by proposed road construction?  Is any protection available by virtue of
being listed?
Thank you.
Jane Dieffenbacher
Town of Fairfield Historian
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Unless things have changed in the last few years, the realities 
surrounding National Register listing status [or National Register 
eligibility status] for any site or structure are very specific.

This status causes such properties to be taken into account in any 
publically funded or permitted activity, such as highway 
construction, and some form of mitigative action needs to be proposed 
if the property cannot be avoided be re-design. However, that 
mitigation does not have to be extensive. An archeological site can 
have its impact mitigated with a 3% excavation of its area, and the 
ruins of an old mill can be mitigated by having measured drawings and 
photographs taken before it is demolished. It depends on the factors 
in each case.

If no federal or state funds are used, listing on the National 
Register may offer little or no protection. Ironic as it may seem, a 
private owner may bulldoze a National Register Site, so long as he 
doesn't use federal funds. 

Philip Lord, Jr.
NYS Museum
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I also would like to hear from experts on this issue. The Rensselaer 
County Courthouse is in the same kind of situation. The Office of 
Court Administration has been demanding renovation of offices or a 
new courthouse for a few years and the new County Exec. has requested 
plans for various options, including one which would abandon the 
courthouse as it now exists. Any info. would be appreciated by 
Rensselaer County, especially Troy residents.


			jim corsaro

James Corsaro
Associate Librarian
Manuscripts and Special Collections
New York State Library
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On Sun, 14 Apr 1996 [log in to unmask] wrote:

> If a building has been listed on the State and National Registers of Historic
> Places, what protections are offered?  For example, Herkimer County is
> considering the construction of a new county facility to house all offices
> and the courts.  The beautiful, historic courthouse now in use needs much
> renovation.  If the county chooses to abandon it, what happens?  Will there
> be restricitons on a new owner?  Can a listed building be demolished?
> What if a listed site, like an old stone bridge for instance, is threatened
> by proposed road construction?  Is any protection available by virtue of
> being listed?
> Thank you.
> Jane Dieffenbacher
> Town of Fairfield Historian
> [log in to unmask]
> 
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For all these, start with the respectrive County Historians:

Homer (Cortland County), Yvone Delagato, 607/753-5201

Auburn (Cayuga County), Tom Eldred, 315/253-1100

Oswego (Oswego County), Barbara Dix, 315/349-8385

Geneva (Seneca County), Betty Autin 315/539-5655
These people can also refer you to the appropriate City, Town or Village
Historians.

Good luck.

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A great deal of time and effort is spent (wasted?) by each of us who venture
onto the Internet in the search for sites the contain ONLINE data, Gedcom
files, and other useful related information. There are even some surname
dedicated newsgroups! Many individuals have also created personal home pages
for specific surnames.

I would like to propose that EVERYONE help the others on this by sending (by
private email) all of the relevant information others would need to make full
use of these resources.

This information will then be collected, (and time permitting - verified),
and I will then periodically post this information, in a single message back
to this newsgroup. Thus offering all of the sources to everyone in a single
message.

The advantages of this idea are easy to understand, so I hope everyone will
cooperate. Not only will this reduce the Number of messages, but periodically
everyone will be able to have the list updated. I am willing to do this, as
the time it will save me personally is more than time it will take to do!! 

So, if this sounds like an idea to you; how about sending me some email on
your discoveries?

Cordially,

Dick Shoemaker
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reseaching Shoemaker/Schumacher/Schoonmaker

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The National Historic Preservation Act sets up a planning process (at 
best). The process is that a property on or eligible for the Nat. Reg.
 must be taken into account when a federal agency, directly or 
indirectly, is involved with an undertaking effecting the property in 
question. The SHPO has the opportunity to comment. This is a key. 
Talk to the NY SHPO. Let your concerns be known. If you feel the 
process has factual errors or is in some other way in error, contact 
the Advisory Council for Historic Preservation in Washington. The NR 
listing dies give citizens the opportunity to focus attention on the 
wisdom (or lack thereof) of the project. Courts are not known for  
their regard for preservation. It may be that they have too much 
funding and too much desire to show their independance from the other 
branches of  government. Public attention and the spotlight of cost 
benefits can help quite a bit.

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Suggest you contact Art Kelly at Kinship, 60 Cedar Heights Rd, Rhinebeck, NY
12572-2200. He publishes church records of the area and has a number of
history books also as well as a quarterly journal for Dutchess Co.

Additionally, the 1882 History of Dutchess Co (including an all name index)
is available in reprint from Heart of the Lakes Publishing, 1-800-782-9687.

Walt Steesy
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An historic building can be protected even with a finding that it is eligible
for listing on the National Register of Historic Places.  I believe the State
Historic Preservation Act may protect an eligible historic structure such as
a county court house, which is public property.  Publicly-funded development
projects are usually reviewed at the State level for their possible adverse
impacts on historic resources.  There is also a separate source of
protection, the SEQR, the State Environmental Quality Review.    What you
must do is call the State National Register office at (518) 237-8643.  Be
patient with the voice mail; it will eventually direct you to the proper
person. 
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At 04:18 PM 4/14/96 -0400, you wrote:
>If a building has been listed on the State and National Registers of Historic
>Places, what protections are offered?  For example, Herkimer County is
>considering the construction of a new county facility to house all offices
>and the courts.  The beautiful, historic courthouse now in use needs much
>renovation.  If the county chooses to abandon it, what happens?  Will there
>be restricitons on a new owner?  Can a listed building be demolished?
>What if a listed site, like an old stone bridge for instance, is threatened
>by proposed road construction?  Is any protection available by virtue of
>being listed?
>Thank you.
>Jane Dieffenbacher
>Town of Fairfield Historian
>[log in to unmask]
>
>


I don't think that any of the historic preservation or environmental laws
work very well unless there there is someone or some group which is capable
and willing to forcefully insist that serious consideration be given to
impacts on histric or environmental resources.  The agencies which implement
these laws are busy and unless there is demonstrated local concern or
controversy the environmental or historic preservation reviews may be
perfunctory.  If the local community doesn't care why should a civil servant
stick his or her neck out, especially in the current anti-regulatory climate?

A county which is determined to abandon its historic courthouse and build a
new one probably can eventually do so from a legal perspective, but if there
is enough public outcry, they may reconsider.  Knowledgeable and determined
citizens can use the environmental and historic preservation review process
to slow down and really examine the proposed project, its consequences and
alternatives. It's critically important to act early before key regulatory
and legal decisions such as "no adverse impact" or no negative impact
declarations are made.  This can give the time and information needed to try
to mobilize public opinion which can effect the real cure which is
political, not legal or regulatory.  Laws which may apply are the State
Historic Preservation Act, if the new courthouse will receive NYS funding,
and the State Environmental Quality Review Act (SEQRA) which calls for
intensified reviews of projects involving National Register-listed properties.

Kathy Ridley of the legal services program of the Preservation League of NYS
is very knowlegeable about preservation law in NYS.

Ms. Katherine Raub Ridley, Associate Director/Counsel
Preservation League of NYS
Legal Services Program
166 Water Street Binghamton, NY  13901
607-772-4568

Robert Hammerslag
Essex Community Heritage Organization (ECHO)
Essex, NY 12936
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Thanks for the encouragement on the canal barge painting. Two requests 
for xerox copies for further study will be taken care of tomorrow! I have 
some other historically interesting items, but they seem to be even 
further away from Tioga than a canal barge might be. There is one with a 
New York connection!

I have had extraordinarily little interest, in fact no reply, from direct 
enquiries to Maine museums and historical societies regarding a fine 
double-reflecting octant by Bradford, London, in an ash case decorated 
with a federal shield, leafy branches, and a banner bearing the name of 
John Crie. He was a Scot conscripted into the British Army, stationed at 
Ft. George, now Castine, Maine. Discharged in 1783, he lived at Matinicus 
Island, married a Hall, the oldest resident family, and his name is 
probably still found in Maine.

One would think a description and interest in such an artifact would at 
least generate a polite thank-you!

The New York connection is inside the case. A label appears along with 
"$18.00 John Crie" written large in pencil. The style of the label could 
place it in the early 1800s, and states (poorly formatted in email text)::

FROM
Costigan & Taylor
MANUFACTURERS OF
CHRONOMETERS,
No. 74 SOUTH STREET
C.K.COSTIGAN)  NEAR MAIDEN LANE, NEW-YORK,
J.R.TAYLOR  )
---------------o-------------
CHRONOMETERS RATED by a first-rate Astronomical Clock, corrected by
Transit observations.
Charts          Quadrants       Compasses,      Parallel Rules,
Nautical Books, Barometers,     Spy Glasses,    Gunter's Scales
Sextants,       Thermometers,   Log Galsses,    Dividers,
        Stationery, &c., &c., constantly on hand
All kinds of NAUTICAL INSTRUMENTS repaired in the best manner.
WATCHES REPAIRED.--CHRONOMETERS FOR HIRE.
--> SECOND HAND INSTRUMENTS BOUGHT AND SOLD.

The octant was an object of obvious pride for the new-American to have 
painted up with the federal shield and his name, and he must have sailed 
out of sight of shore often enough to need such assistance.

Assuming that the label and the pencil writing are contemporaries, the 
instrument, technically obsoleted about 1780 (not listed in the label 
above) by the sextant (listed in the label above), was probably consigned to 
C&T by John Crie as a trade-in or, I am guessing, pawned by a younger 
John Crie on his way to seek his fortunes. I find one of that name in 
tidewater Louisiana in the 1850 census. 

Of C.K. Costigan and J.R. Taylor, I do NOT find their names in NY census 
listings in the early 1800s. This seems odd, or I am off by decades in 
the age of the label. Are NYC directories available for this period 
which might show the years in which this firm existed?

Thanks for reading.

Karl Petersen
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For historic preservation matters in Rensselaer County, I suggest that 
you try John Waite at his architects office in Troy or nearby. He is a 
stalwart advocate of historic preservation and has a remarkable record of 
success. Especially tell him that his old RPI classmate put you onto him, 
and he will be quite astonished. His name is part of the firm name, and 
shouldn't be too hard to track down in the phone book.

>From Idaho, 
Karl A. Petersen
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At 23:22 15/04/96 -0400, you wrote:
>Suggest you contact Art Kelly at Kinship, 60 Cedar Heights Rd, Rhinebeck, NY
>12572-2200. He publishes church records of the area and has a number of
>history books also as well as a quarterly journal for Dutchess Co.
>
>Additionally, the 1882 History of Dutchess Co (including an all name index)
>is available in reprint from Heart of the Lakes Publishing, 1-800-782-9687.
>
>Walt Steesy

Hi Walt!

Thanks for the wealth of information.  Will send a message to Art Kelly
ASAP.  The 1882 History sounds interesting too!

Thanks again,

Paula Mooney

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Mr. Petersen:

	You might try the South St. Seaport Museum, 207 Front St., 
NYC 10038, phone (212) 669-9400. They may be able to help you with 
this octant, since the museum is named after the street where 
Costigan and Taylor were located.

				jim corsaro

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On Mon, 15 Apr 1996, Karl A. Petersen wrote:

> Thanks for the encouragement on the canal barge painting. Two requests 
> for xerox copies for further study will be taken care of tomorrow! I have 
> some other historically interesting items, but they seem to be even 
> further away from Tioga than a canal barge might be. There is one with a 
> New York connection!
> 
> I have had extraordinarily little interest, in fact no reply, from direct 
> enquiries to Maine museums and historical societies regarding a fine 
> double-reflecting octant by Bradford, London, in an ash case decorated 
> with a federal shield, leafy branches, and a banner bearing the name of 
> John Crie. He was a Scot conscripted into the British Army, stationed at 
> Ft. George, now Castine, Maine. Discharged in 1783, he lived at Matinicus 
> Island, married a Hall, the oldest resident family, and his name is 
> probably still found in Maine.
> 
> One would think a description and interest in such an artifact would at 
> least generate a polite thank-you!
> 
> The New York connection is inside the case. A label appears along with 
> "$18.00 John Crie" written large in pencil. The style of the label could 
> place it in the early 1800s, and states (poorly formatted in email text)::
> 
> FROM
> Costigan & Taylor
> MANUFACTURERS OF
> CHRONOMETERS,
> No. 74 SOUTH STREET
> C.K.COSTIGAN)  NEAR MAIDEN LANE, NEW-YORK,
> J.R.TAYLOR  )
> ---------------o-------------
> CHRONOMETERS RATED by a first-rate Astronomical Clock, corrected by
> Transit observations.
> Charts          Quadrants       Compasses,      Parallel Rules,
> Nautical Books, Barometers,     Spy Glasses,    Gunter's Scales
> Sextants,       Thermometers,   Log Galsses,    Dividers,
>         Stationery, &c., &c., constantly on hand
> All kinds of NAUTICAL INSTRUMENTS repaired in the best manner.
> WATCHES REPAIRED.--CHRONOMETERS FOR HIRE.
> --> SECOND HAND INSTRUMENTS BOUGHT AND SOLD.
> 
> The octant was an object of obvious pride for the new-American to have 
> painted up with the federal shield and his name, and he must have sailed 
> out of sight of shore often enough to need such assistance.
> 
> Assuming that the label and the pencil writing are contemporaries, the 
> instrument, technically obsoleted about 1780 (not listed in the label 
> above) by the sextant (listed in the label above), was probably consigned to 
> C&T by John Crie as a trade-in or, I am guessing, pawned by a younger 
> John Crie on his way to seek his fortunes. I find one of that name in 
> tidewater Louisiana in the 1850 census. 
> 
> Of C.K. Costigan and J.R. Taylor, I do NOT find their names in NY census 
> listings in the early 1800s. This seems odd, or I am off by decades in 
> the age of the label. Are NYC directories available for this period 
> which might show the years in which this firm existed?
> 
> Thanks for reading.
> 
> Karl Petersen
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Hi, Sounds like a great idea, why didn't something of this before?  But glad
you did!!  Keep me posted, interested.
Researching:  STEWART,SMITH, ROGERS,MAGEE/MCKEE,MUGRIDGE,
GREETHEAD,SANDIEMAN, CARTER, CODY (Mac)SWEENEY, KILLOUGHY/KILOHY/KALLOUGHY,
LYONS and MULDOON.  Many thanks, Joan
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Thank you to the many people who responded to my request concerning the
protection offered to listed buildings and structures.  Apparently several
counties are facing the problem of historic and beautiful courthouses that
cannot meet the standards of the Office of Court Adminstration.  The costs of
complying with these standards runs to the millions of dollars.  I spoke with
Dr. Raymond D. Kuhn of the New York State Board for Historic Preservation as
suggested by one of you who responded.  He was most agreeable and concerned.
 The best thing a person can do at this point is to send him a letter,
documenting the structure in question, including pictures if possible.  His
group will look into the situation and contact the appropriate agencies.
 This is an enjoyable and helpful list.  Thank you all.
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If this goes out you will all be aware that I am having trouble
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                       DATA FROM THE NEW YORK STATE 
       GOVERNOR'S OFFICE OF EMPLOYEE RELATIONS AVAILABLE ON-LINE

The New York State Archives and Records Administration (SARA)
announces that the Grievance Tracking System (GTS), created by
the Governor's Office of Employee Relations, is now available
on-line via SARA's Internet site.  Also available is a users'
guide designed to facilitate access to data in the system.  Both 
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They can also be downloaded directly from SARA's ftp site at:

                     ftp://ftp.sara.nysed.gov/pub/goer

The Governor's Office of Employee Relations used the GTS to
collect information on employee grievances and grieved
disciplinary proceedings from all New York State Executive Branch
agencies from 1984-1990.  The system contains two master files,
the Grievance Data File and the Discipline Data File.    

The users' guide describes the data collection methods,
illustrates the components of the database, and defines each data
element utilized by the system.  The guide also familiarizes the
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Horus' History Links has added hyperlink bulletin boards for announcement of
research services for genealogists and historians.  Anyone who provides research
service to historians and/or genealogists is welcome to post a message about
their services. The URL for the Genealogists' Research Services board is

     < http://www.kaiwan.com/~lucknow/horus/genareg/genabk.html > .

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Both boards can also be accessed through the table of contents for the Horus
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Stefan Bielinski is trying to post the program and registration
for this years CNYSH.  That was what probably just arrived on
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      From:  David G. Vanderstel <DVANDERS@I
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Greetings to the subscribers and friends of the publhist discussion list.
Having just returned to my office after spending a very busy week in Seattle,
I would like to take this opportunity to report briefly about our very
successful annual meeting.

Over 330 individuals traveled to Seattle to participate in this meeting, which
was cosponsored by two regional historical organizations--the Pacific Northwest
Historians Guild and the Northwest Oral History Association.  In addition,
NCPH received assistance from the National Park Service, which also cosponsored
several sessions.

A series of workshops, led by distinguished historians active in the
field, launched the conference on Thursday.  Topics included:  the public
interpretation of controversy; historians in consulting; oral history;
collecting/documenting/interpreting collections; electronic communication for
public history; and careers in public history.

The Seattle Aquarium was the site of the conference's opening reception.
Michael Wallace, professor of history at John Jay College and editor of
Radical History Review, addressed the topic of "Culture Wars: History Front" in
which he reviewed and assessed the recent skirmishes and uproar over history
and examined the roles and perils of public historians in the current climate.

Friday and half of Saturday were devoted to numerous sessions focusing on
various aspects of public history:  the National Parks; community studies;
federal policy; historic site and museum planning; women's history;
environmental history; historic preservation; corporate history; public history
in the classroom; among many others. The Local Arrangements Committee
reserved Saturday afternoon for a cruise on the tall ship "Lady Washington,"
and tours to the Snoqualmie Falls Historic District, the Lake Union Ship Canal,
and the Museum of Flight.

On Saturday evening, Jamil Zainaldin, executive director of the Federation of
State Humanities Councils, spoke on recent threats to humanities funding at the
federal and state levels.  Dr. Zainaldin examined the history of efforts to cut
funding, the apparent motivations of those seeking to affect cuts, and what we
should learn from these efforts to reduce support for the humanities.

Apart from the sessions, workshops, and tours, NCPH sponsored several student-
oriented functions--a careers workshop, a reception, and a mentoring program
which paired interested students with public historians.   A large number of
students representing several public history programs attended the conference
and participated in these special offerings.

NCPH conferees also discussed the development of publhist and its important
role in assisting public historians, disseminating information,and alerting
the public history community to issues affecting the field and possibly
requiring some advocacy.  We encourage you to use this listserve to share your
thoughts and concerns about local, state, national, and international issues
and to alert your fellow public historians to join us in this discussion. I
believe that this listserve can become an important element in our day-to-day
operations as public historians, but it will require your assistance and input
to attain that goal.  If you know of others who might benefit from this list,
please extend an invitation to them to join.

The next annual meeting of NCPH will be May 1-4, 1997, in Albany, New York.
Mark your calendars now for this upcoming conference.  We will soon be posting
a "call for papers and presentations," the deadline for which will be July 31,
1996.  More details later.

If you were unable to attend our meeting in Seattle, I regret that you missed
the excellent program prepared by chair Robert Weible and local arrangements
chair Lisa Mighetto.  I hope that you will make a point of joining us next year
when we meet in New York.

If you are not a member of NCPH, I would like to extend a special invitation to
you to join now.  Not only do you receive the quarterly journal *The Public
Historian* and the quarterly newsletter *Public History News*, but you also
receive special pricing on our publications, such as the recently released
*Guide to Graduate Programs in Public History* and *A Collection of Public
History Course Syllabi*.  If you are interested in joining NCPH or know of
someone who would benefit from membership, please contact us here at the
NCPH Executive Offices.  We would happily welcome you to the public history
community.

David G. Vanderstel
Executive Director
National Council on Public History
425 University Blvd. - Cav. 327
Indianapolis, Indiana  46202

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NCPH 1997 Annual Meeting

Call for Papers and Presentations

The National Council on Public History invites proposals for papers, sessions,
panels, and workshops for its May 1-4, 1997, Annual Meeting to be held in
Albany, New York.  The Program Committee encourages innovative, nontraditional
presentations that emphasize historians' commitment to public outreach and that
address the conference theme "Public History and Public Memory."  Suggested
topics include:

> public institutions as keepers of society's memories
> professional historians as preservers of the past
> interactions between institutions, historians, audiences, and the media

The program committee also welcomes proposals in all areas of public history.

Proposals should include the following:

> a short (200-300 word) essay stating the focus, thesis, methodology, and
significance of the session, panel, workshop, or paper and a short (200-300
word) prospectus for each included paper/presentation.

> names, addresses, telephone numbers, and (if available) fax and e-mail for
all proposed participants as well as a short summary vita (one paragraph) for
each participant.

Submit proposals to the program committee chairperson by JULY 31, 1996:
John R. Jameson, Department of History, Kent State University, Kent, Ohio
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I live in California now (from Michigan) and I am starting a search for
documents for some of my past family that lived in New York.  Can anyone give
me names, addresses and email (if there is) to places to get records from the
following areas:

Hempstead, Queens Co
Westchester Co.
For a Gabriel Carman b. 1718-22   d.  4/17/1791

Peekskill, Westchester Co. or Putnam Co.
Poughkeepsie, Dutchess Co.
Pleasant Valley,
For Gabriels' son, Peter Carman B. 1746  d. 7/7/1809/10

No location for Peters' son Joseph Carman,  but he married Mina Leete, from
the lineage of Gov. William  Leete of Conn.  She lived in Guildford, New
Haven Co. CT. 

Cairo, in Columbia Co.
For Joseph Gardiner Carman and his wife, Susan Louisa Gould (I am told the
first cousin of Jay Gould,  not sure yet).

Avon, in Ontario Co.
For George W. Carman and his wife
Harriet Handford Lacy
George surveyed the Great Lakes and Mississippi River
I'd love to get a copy of his reports.

>From here they moved to Michigan.

Any directions for information will be helpfull.

Matt Carman
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As a new subscriber to this e-mail, and a former Herkimer resident who lived
on the same city block as the Court House, it would pain me to see that
historic structure turned into anything other than a museum.  Chester
Gilette's trial alone should make it worth saving.  Perhaps the County
Historical Society could move into it.

Renny Golden
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I would greatly appreciate help from anyone who might know anything 
about John W. Harrold and where his personal papers may be found. 
Harrold was Principal of Ellenburg High School in Ellenburg Depot, 
Clinton County in the 1930's and moved to the same post in the 
Ellenburg Central School established in about 1938.  In the 1940's 
he was active in State educational policy discussions and was a 
leader in the Central School Principals' Association.  I have some 
indication that he may have done research on centralizing of rural schools.


                             JOHN W BRIGGS
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I am very pleased at the support that has been offered regarding the historic
courthouse in Herkimer County.  As matters now stand, the county legislature
is looking for a site to build a new county office building which will
include new courtrooms.  The probable site they will select will be on route
28, out of the village business district.  This will provide much needed
parking space and save the county the rent it has been paying at various
sites for the badly needed office space.  It will also save the money they
would have to spend if they were to renovate the existing courthouse to meet
the standards of  the state Office of Court Administration.  The people I
have spoken with all agree that the building should be used for other
purposes and kept up by the county as a county responsibility.  No one has
mentioned demolition yet (in my hearing, anyway).  My concern is for the
future.  When it is no longer needed for the court and the county has new
buildings to pay for and maintain,  how long will they be willing to keep up
this old building?  The historical society maintains two buildings on Main
Street now, necessitating a constant effort to find the necessary funding.
 Even with the good intentions of the Legislature, the future is very
uncertain for this courthouse and others like it in the state.
Jane Dieffenbacher
Town of Fairfield Historian
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Our local BOCES facility is named for John W. Harrold. It is located outside
of Plattsburgh and has been enlarged and changed around many times since it
was built in the 1960's and named for him. He was very insturmental in its
development. At the time my father was on the local school board and was
involved with the BOCES project. 

I'm not sure if they would have any records or not. The phone number is
518-561-0100. The Ellenburgh Central School is now part of the Northern
Adirondack Central School District. Their phone is 518-594-3986.

You might also try Special Collections at the SUNY Plattsburgh Feinberg
518-564-3180.








                                                                       Dennis
Lewis
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To Jane Diefenbacher,

Just out of curiousity, is this the courthouse where what's-his-name, the
real guy who the Dreiser novel was based on, was tried for murder ?  I mean
of course the book "An American Tragedy" and I can't remember the real name
of the murderer.

Daniel Martin
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Yes, the Herkimer County Court House was the site of the Chester
Gilette murder trial. The County Clerk has the original trial transcript.

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John -

I spoke with one of the Chazy Central Teachers, Keith Lunn, who also suggested
calling the William H. Miner archives at the Miner Institute in Chazy.
518-846-8020, 518-846-7121 or 518-846-7144.

He's going to check through what he has, since he did an extensive study of the
Centralization of Chazy Central.  He also suggested calling the Chazy Town
Historian, Marie Ginette.  You might be able to get her number from Leo Oliver,
CHazy's Town Clerk.  His office number is 846-7201.  I tried looking her up
in the phone book but apparently her number is unlisted.


> Our local BOCES facility is named for John W. Harrold. It is located outside
> of Plattsburgh and has been enlarged and changed around many times since it
> was built in the 1960's and named for him. He was very insturmental in its
> development. At the time my father was on the local school board and was
> involved with the BOCES project.
>
> I'm not sure if they would have any records or not. The phone number is
> 518-561-0100. The Ellenburgh Central School is now part of the Northern
> Adirondack Central School District. Their phone is 518-594-3986.
>
> You might also try Special Collections at the SUNY Plattsburgh Feinberg
> 518-564-3180.

>                                                                        Dennis
> Lewis
>

Pat


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An exhibit entitled "Doctors at the Gate: The United States Public Healty
Service at Ellis Island" will be on display at the Ellis Island Immigration
Museum in New York from May 24 through July 31, 1996.  From the time that
Ellis Island opened as an immigration station in 1892, the Public Health
Service (PHS) was responsible for the medical inspection of arriving
immigrants.  The PHS built hospital facilities on the Island to provide
the medical care required by some of the arriving immigrants.  By 1924,
more restrictive laws had greatly slowed the flow of immigrants to the United
States, but the PHS hospital on Ellis Island remained open until 1954.
The exhibit will occupy six rooms at the Museum, and will cover the founding
and early history of the PHS, the beginnings of quarantine, medical inspection
of immigrants, the hospital facilities at Ellis Island, and the structure and
functions of the PHS today.
The exhibit was prepared by the Public Health Service Historian, the National
Library of Medicine and the Technical Services Branch, PHS Program Support
Center in cooperation with the Ellis Island Immigration Museum of the National
Park Service.  Professor Alan Kraut of the Department of History, American
University, an expert on immigration history, served as a consultant on the
project.
For more information, contact Dr. John Parascandola, PHS Historian, 18-23
Parklawn Building, 5600 Fishers Lane, Rockville, Maryland, 20857; phone:
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    from our recent co-editor.    gls


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This might interest some folks working on American Indian history--not to
attend, but to be aware that leaps and bounds are being made with
indigenous languages==Sam




Subject: Seminar: Mohawk language on CD-ROM

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                        Buffalo State College
                                and
                  Native American Student Services

                         Invites you to a

                   PRESENTATION AND DEMONSTRATION
                                of
                     MOHAWK LANGUAGE ON CD ROM

                                with

                           David Maracle
                        (Tyendinaga Mohawk)
                  Mohawk Language Instructor and
               Author of the Mohawk Language on CDROM
                At The University of Western Ontario

                        FRIDAY APRIL 26, 1996
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By the way, the State Library also has the three volume transcript of 
the Gillette trial, if anyone is interested in reading it. It is 
probably interesting, but certainly is not up to Dreiser's literary 
level!

		jim c.

James Corsaro
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On Thu, 25 Apr 1996, Bob Arnold wrote:

> Yes, the Herkimer County Court House was the site of the Chester
> Gilette murder trial. The County Clerk has the original trial transcript.
> 
> 
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Yes, to answer Daniel Martin's question,  the Herkimer County Courthouse was
the scene of the trial of Chester Gillette for the murder of Grace Brown in
1906.  Opposite the courthouse is the jail, built in 1834, where Gillette was
held.  It is now a museum and gift shop run by the Herkimer County Historical
Society.  Across the street is the Herkimer Reformed Church, also 1834.  The
fourth corner is the site of the Historical Society.  Herkimer's Historic
Four Corners.   Jane Dieffenbacher
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I am seeking iformation concerning ACW Union forces stationed in Staten Is.
Specifically, interested in 169th NY Vol. Inf. Rgt. which remained there in
extended bivouac Sept-Dec, 1862, following its organization in Troy Aug,
1862. What info I have already found indicates this Rgt was a source of
considerable problems for the civilian population during its encampment. Any
leads? Thank you. Joe Hennessy (Honolulu)

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The following material is from a timeline of New York State that I've been
posting weekly on my local BBS. I thought subscribers of the New York State
history listserv might be interested in also receiving them. I intend to take
the material up to the year 1974, and then begin over again, back in the 17th
Century with updated versions, this time around to include New York City
(until such a time as we become two states :-). I would be most interested in
feedback, corrections, additions, etc. If subscribers notice more material on
Rochester than in the rest of the state, its only because it's the area I
grew up in and now reside in. The timelines are always in a process of
growing and their scope continues to widen. Thanks for your attention. Enjoy.

David Minor
Eagles Byte Historical Research

*************************
1935
Feb 21  Playwright Leonard Melfi is born in Binghamton.
Aug 26  Geraldine Anne Ferraro, first woman to run for the U. S.
vice-presidency,
   is born in Newburgh.
Oct 12  Batavia's Dellinger Theatre burns down.

 John Bridger builds a diner at the intersection of routes 20 and 63, next to
a new
  ESSO gas station run by a Mr. Ayers. The facility will become the Texaco
Town
  truck stop. The local school burns down and an asbestos building is moved
to
  the site as a temporary substitute. 

  lower basin at the
   Port of Rochester. 


 1936
Mar 26 The Mount Palomar Observatory lens begins a journey to California, on
a
   specially-built railroad car, from Corning.
Apr 28  The Socialist Laborites adjourn, having nominated Massachusetts' J.
W.
   Aiken and New York's Emil F. Teichert. 
May 7  The Prohibition Party adjourns, having nominated New York's Dr. D.
   Leigh Colvin and Tennessee's Sergeant Alvin C. York. 
Jun 1  The U. S. Supreme Court declares that New York's 1933 Minimum Wage
   Law for Women is unconstitutional, in Morehead V. New York ex rel.
   Tipaldo. The law had also covered children. 
Jun 28  The Communist Party adjourns, having nominated New York's Earl
   Browder and James  W. Ford.
Nov 4  New York State's Communist Party fails to get enough votes to be
legally
   viable.

 A referendum is put before Cortland voters, to preserve the Randall Mansion.
It
  fails.    **    An expedition from the Rochester Museum, including
historian
 J. Sheldon Fisher, excavates the Wadsworth Mound, from the Hopewell culture,
  south of Geneseo. 

 Rochester - The Port of Rochester's imports climb back to $1,000,000.    **
   
   Downtown's Rundell Memorial Library opens. 


     1937
Sep 4  Doris Kopsky wins the first woman's bicycling championship at Buffalo.
Nov 7  The Ulster County residence of the self-named Reverend Father Divine
   burns to the ground.

 Rochester -, Port of Rochester lake trade sinks to $632,000. Tonnage bottoms
out
   at 680,000 tons, but passenger trade rises to 64,000 people a year.    **
  
   WPA crews repave Front Street.
         Sports - The Appalachian Trail is completed.

 1938
May 5  Six leaders of a Nazi summer camp are arrested.
May 6  The board of the Brockport Normal and Training School approves a
   move to become a State Teachers College.
Jun 7  Cleveland Indian pitcher Johnny Allen refuses to shorten a sleeve of
his
   sweatshirt during a game against the Boston Red Sox, and is fined $250.
   His shirt makes into the Hall of Fame.
Jun 16  Author Joyce Carol Oates is born in Lockport.
Jun 24  Mystery author-magazine columnist Lawrence Block is born in Buffalo.
  
Jul 31  Followers of the self-named Reverend Father Divine parade in New York
   City's Harlem to celebrate the purchase of a Hudson River mansion across
   from Roosevelt's, replacing a former home that burned last year.

 The centennial of the building of the Scottsville and Le Roy Railroad is
  celebrated.   **    Utica establishes a municipal water system.   **
   Batavia City
  Attorney William H. Coon, compiles all city legislation passed since 1923
into the
  Charter of 1938. 

 Baseball - Henry Chadwick, writer of the first baseball rules, is elected to
the Hall
   of Fame.
 Rochester - The Lake Ontario excursion ferry Toronto is withdrawn from
service,
   leaving the Kingston as the only remaining passenger ferry out of
   Rochester.

 1939
Mar 27 The U. S. Supreme Court supports state income taxes on Federal
salaries in
   Graves v. New York ex rel. O'Keefe. 
Apr 1  Actress Ali Macgraw is born in Pound Ridge.
May 16 Rochester begins the first food-stamp plan, to get surplus food stocks
to
   the needy.
Jun 12  The Baseball Hall of Fame Museum opens in Cooperstown.
Jul 14  State Senator C. Tracey Stagg is found dead of a self-inflicted
gunshot
   wound in the woods near his Ithaca home. A note blames poor health and
   work pressures.
Sep 28  1,000 delegates to the Women's Christian Temperance League (WCTU)
   convention being held in Rochester, travel by 52 buses fifteen miles west
   to Churchville, to honor the 100th birthday of founder Frances Willard,
   born there.
Nov 8  Admiral Richard E. Byrd's snow cruiser, on its way to Boston for an
   Antarctic expedition, breaks down on Route 20 at the Texaco Town truck
   stop. It's repaired three days later and continues on.

 The Batavia Clippers baseball team contends in the Class D Pennsylvania,
  Ontario and New York (PONY) League.

 Baseball - Yankees first baseman Lou Gehrig is elected to the Hall of Fame.
 Media - Samuel I. Newhouse buys the Syracuse Journal.  

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I'm not sure if this is the correct place to post this but I thought I'd give
it a shot. I am looking for someone who might have information on a place
called the CHRYSLER FARM in the state of New York.It was apparently the sight
of a battle,  I Would appreciate any info. that you could provide.

Thanks,

Vicki
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Hello David Minor,

I read your posting of NYS history 1935-1939 with interest. I will be
looking forward to the early (17th Century) history with much interest. 

I live in Ontario, near Cobourg.  A pity there isn't still ferry service
across the lake. 

Some of my ancestors lived in New Amsterdam early 1600s.  Thanks. Will watch
for more.
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Chrysler's Farm was the site of a War of 1812 battle. It occurred on 11 Nov.,
1813 at a site that is now flooded by the St. Lawrence Seaway on the Ontario
side of the river. The site was near the present Ontario village of
Morristown. There is a Battle of Chrysler's Farm monument and interpative
center located adjacent to Upper Canada Village, Morrisburg, Ontario. It is
operated by the St. Lawrence Parks Commission.

The battle was fought between Gen. Wilkinson's US force of about 3500 men and
a mixed British regular and Canadian Militia force of about 800 under the
command of Lt. Col. Joseph Morrison of the 89th Regt. Actual field command of
US forces rested with Brig. Gen. John Boyd. The defeat of the US forces led
Wilkinson to call  off his planned attack on Montreal, PQ and to establish
quarters at French Mills ( present Fort Covington, NY). Along with the defeat
at Chateaugay of a US force under Gen. Wade Hampton it put an end to
operations against Lower Canada for 1813.
 







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Lewis
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I am currently restoring a 250 year-old farmstead in Orange County.  The farm
was recently listed on the New York State Register of Historic Places, and is
awaiting listing on the National Register.

I have successfully found the National Register web sites.  Is anyone aware
of a mailing list related to the National Register.  If there isn't one, is
anyone interested in joining me in creating one?

Thanks.  Steve Mosenson ([log in to unmask])
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Ruth,

Thanks for your interest.

I'm afraid the post came out a little disorganized with a bit of garbling.
Next week I'll be using a slightly different design, and I hope it will be a
bit easier to read. Always glad to hear from the other side of the lake.

David Minor
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On Mon, 29 Apr 1996 [log in to unmask] wrote:

> I'm not sure if this is the correct place to post this but I thought I'd give
> it a shot. I am looking for someone who might have information on a place
> called the CHRYSLER FARM in the state of New York.It was apparently the sight
> of a battle,  I Would appreciate any info. that you could provide.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Vicki
> 
Vicki: I could be wrong but, isn't Chrysler farm somewhere in Niagara,
Ontario.

debbie

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