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Walter Greenspan <[log in to unmask]>
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A LISTSERV list for discussions pertaining to New York State history." <[log in to unmask]>
Mon, 4 Sep 2006 10:03:48 EDT
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In an article in today's (Monday, September 4) NEWSDAY, "It stood for about 
550 years and came down with a crack in the middle of the night.  Lloyd 
Harbor's beloved "big oak," believed to be the oldest black oak tree in North 
America, fell early yesterday morning, the village mayor said."

For the complete article, "Mighty oak's fatal blow", please go to (you may 
need to manually copy and paste the URL into your browser):


Lloyd Harbor is one of those several villages and hamlets on Long Island 
where none of the places in the community have the village name as part of their 
mailing address.

The pertinent geography:

Lloyd Harbor is a village (incorporated in 1923) in the northwest part of the 
Town of Huntington, in the northwest part of Suffolk County.  There are 4 
villages (municipal corporations) and 15 hamlets (unincorporated areas) all or 
partly in the Town of Huntington.  There are no cities and 10 towns in Suffolk 
County.  There are 2 Indian reservations in Suffolk County.  (I'm including 
after my name a NYS Geographic Glossary with the NYS definitions of county, city, 
town, village, hamlet and postal zone.)

Beginning on the north and moving in a clockwise direction, the Village of 
Lloyd Harbor in the Town of Huntington is bordered on the north by Long Island 
Sound; on the east by Huntington Bay; on the south by the Hamlet of Huntington 
and the Hamlet of Cold Spring Harbor; and, on the west by Oyster Bay.

And, as occurs in every one of Suffolk County's 157 communities (0 cities, 31 
villages and 126 hamlets), the village and the postal zone that use the same 
name, have different borders.  In this case there is no "Lloyd Harbor, NY" 
postal zone and places in the Village of Lloyd Harbor have other than a "Lloyd 
Harbor, NY" mailing address (these places have either a "Cold Spring Harbor, NY 
11724 or a Huntington, NY 11743" mailing address).

For those who have their copy of the 2005 or earlier editions of the LI 
Population Survey or have already downloaded the report from the Long Island Power 
Authority web site (eMail me directly if you need instructions on how to 
access and download the report), you'll find the Village of Lloyd Harbor 
(incorporated in 1923) in the Town of Huntington, Suffolk County on pages 14 & 16 (map) 
and 17 (population estimate).

I hope this information is useful or, at least, interesting.

L'Shannah Tovah* & Happy 5767,

Walter Greenspan
Great Falls, MT & Jericho, NY

* L'Shannah Tovah (li-SHAH-nuh TOH-vuh; li-shah-NAH toh-VAH)
Hebrew. Lit. for a good year. The common greeting during Rosh ha Shannah and 
the Days of Awe. This is a shortening of "L'Shannah tovah tikatev v'taihatem" 
(or, to women, "L'Shannah tovah tikatevi v'taihatemi"), which means, "May you 
be inscribed and sealed for a good year." This year, Rosh ha Shannah, because 
it will occur on Shabbat (Sabbath), begins 18 minutes before sunset on Friday, 
September 22 on the civil calendar.

.   Cities, Towns, Villages, Hamlets and Postal Zones in New York State

New York State is divided into counties.

A county is a municipal corporation, a subdivision of the state, created to 
perform state functions; a "regional" government.  All counties are divided 
into cities, towns and Indian reservations.

A city is a unique governmental entity with its own special charter.  Cities 
are not sub-divided, except into neighborhoods, which are informal geographic 

A town is a municipal corporation and encompasses all territory within the 
state except that within cities or Indian reservations.  Towns can be 
sub-divided into villages and hamlets.

A village is a general purpose municipal corporation formed voluntarily by 
the residents of an area in one or more towns to provide themselves with 
municipal services.  The pattern of village organization is similar to those of a 
city.  A village is divided into neighborhoods, which are informal geographic 

A hamlet is an unincorporated area in one or more towns that is governed 
at-large by the town(s) it is in.  A hamlet is divided into neighborhoods, which 
are informal geographic areas.

Postal Zone "City" and "Town"
A postal zone "City" and "Town" is an administrative district established by 
the U.S. Postal Service to deliver the mail.  Postal zone "City" and "Town" 
may not (but are encouraged to) conform to municipal or community borders.  
Thus, postal zone location does not always determine city, village or hamlet 

Please be aware:  In many areas of New York State, the problem of 
non-conforming postal zones leads to a situation where the majority of places have a 
different community name in their mailing address than the community where that 
place is actually located.