At 08:24 PM 4/29/96 -0400, Ruth Harper wrote:
>Hello David Minor,
>
>I read your posting of NYS history 1935-1939 with interest. I will be
>looking forward to the early (17th Century) history with much interest.
>
>I live in Ontario, near Cobourg. A pity there isn't still ferry service
>across the lake.
>
I recall from my youth the Lake Ontario ferry from Rochester to Cobourg.
When was the ferry discontinued?
Pat Eagan
3901 NW 23rd Court
Boca Raton, FL 33431
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There was a battle of Chrysler's Farm. It was fought on November 11, 1813.
The site is in Canada, just north of the St. Lawrence River. There was a
pamphlet published by the St. Lawrence Park Commission, Morrisburg, Ontario,
entitled, "The Day of Chrysler's Farm by Ronald L. Way (no copyright date)
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>At 08:24 PM 4/29/96 -0400, Ruth Harper wrote:
>>Hello David Minor,
>>
>>I read your posting of NYS history 1935-1939 with interest. I live in
Ontario, near Cobourg. A pity there isn't still ferry service >>across the
lake.
Then, on Wed, May 1st, 1996, Pat Eagan, of Boca Raton, Fl., wrote :
> I recall from my youth the Lake Ontario ferry from Rochester to Cobourg.
>When was the ferry discontinued?
The Cobourg, Ontario Library advised me that Ferry # 1 ceased running in
1949 and Ferry # 2 made its final run on April 28th, 1950, according to the
Newspapers of the time. New and costly safety regulations lead to the
discontinuation of this service. $1.50 was memtioned as being the price of a
ticket.
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A property on the register is not restricted in what the owner can do with
it, provided it is with private money and there are no federal or state
permits needed. If an individual wants to demolish it, he or she can do so.
If the listed property is within a historic district, or there is a design
review board (HARB), then there may be additional restrictions.
Questions? Contact me.
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Does anyone have the citation(s) to the controlling legislation on
historic places, historic sites, and preservation -- at both the federal
and New York State levels?
If someone would provide the citation(s) here, that would be helpful.
Cheers,
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In reference to TJ Davis's query, I suggest you call the State Historic
Preservation Office at 518-237-8643 and talk to Bob Kuhn who is the
coordinator of the NR program. I am sure he has the citations handy.
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1940
Apr 17 - Eagles Byte founder David Minor is born in Batavia.
Jul 18 - The Democrats nominate Franklin Delano Roosevelt for
reelection, with Henry A. Wallace as his running mate.
Aug 17 - Roosevelt meets with Canadian Prime Minister Mackenzie King at
Ogdensburg to discuss the defense of North America.
Aug 18 - Roosevelt and King sign the Ogdensburg Agreement, creating the
Permanent Joint Board of Defense.
Dec 6 - Rock and roll singer Steve Alaimo is born in Rochester.
Rochester - The Italian-language newspaper La Stampa Unita
changes its name to The Rochester Press and introduces
features in English.
1941
Jun 11 - Naturalist-illustrator and Boy Scouts of America co-founder Daniel
Carter Beard, 70, dies in Suffern.
Jun 30 - President Roosevelt establishes the Franklin D. Roosevelt Library at
Hyde Park.
Nov 26 - Rochester's Committee to Aid Colored Draftees holds a benefit to
raise money for black soldiers.
A new building at the Brockport Normal and Training School is
completed. It will eventually become Hartwell Hall.
Media - Samuel I. Newhouse buys the Syracuse Herald-Standard.
1942
Apr 21 - Architect-designer Gustav Stickley, 85, dies in Syracuse.
Jul 1 - Brockport Normal and Training School officially becomes Brockport
State Teachers College.
Oct 22 - Actress-singer-Mousketeer Annette Funicello is born in Utica.
Nov 6 - A fireworks factory explosion in East Rochester kills twelve people,
mostly female workers.
Rochester - The Rochester Press fails. ** The Committee for the
Preservation of Christian Democracy is formed to attempt to get the Italian
Communitys' relatives in Europe to vote for democracy and not for Communism.
1943
Apr 8 - Stage musicals director Michael Bennett is born in Buffalo.
The Randall Mansion in Cortland is demolished. ** The
Caledonia StateFair skips the season because of gasoline rationing.
1944
Apr 7 - Jazz tenor saxophone player Pat Pascel LaBarbera is born in Warsaw.
Jun 27 - The Republicans meet for three days in Chicago, Illinois, nominate
governor Thomas E. Dewey and Ohio governor John Bricker.
Aug 1 - Exiled Filipino president Manuel Quezon, 65, die in Saranac Lake.
Sergio Osmena is sworn in, the new president-in-exile.
September - President Roosevelt and Prime Minister Winston Churchill sign a
memorandum at Hyde Park, to keep the atom bomb a secret from Russia.
December - Rochester uses imported German prisoners of war to shovel snow.
Herrick's Castle (Ericstan) in Tarrytown is demolished.
Records - Rosie Carnemolla is born in Poughkeepsie. She will attain a peak
weight of 840 pounds.
Rochester - Jean Walrath becomes the city's first female political
candidate. ** The Italian Culture Club helps establish the Il Scolo
Italian language summer school.
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If a man immigrants from England to USA, settles in NY, then voluteers to
serve his new country as an officer in the 67th NY Voluteers during the
CIVIL WAR and serves his time, is he automatically given his naturalization
papers, or does he still have to apply for them after the war.
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The things you learn: where else would I have found the New York
connections, in a single place, of Manuel Quezon, Steve Alaimo, Dan
Beard and Annette Funicello?
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SWIFT, Elisha: Record of 1816 NYS Missionary Tour
In 1816, Elisha Swift toured NYS as a missionary for the American
Board of Commissioners for Foreign Missions. According to Robert
Oakes' Historically Speaking feature in the 14 September 1994
edition of The Evening Tribune (Hornell, Steuben Co., NY), Swift
left a fairly detailed record of his adventures; numerous excerpts
are cited in the article.
My ancestor, Thomas Streeter [1753-1831], was a Strict Baptist
Minister; he settled near Bath, Steuben Co. in 1794. His preaching
activities at Bath are documented in "A History of the Purchase and
Settlement of Western New York and of the Rise, Progress, and
Present State of the Presbyterian Church in That Section" (M.W.
Dodd, Brick Church Chapel, New York, New York, [1848]) by Reverend
James Hervey Hotchkins. In 1813, Thomas Streeter relocated to the
Canisteo River Valley in Southwestern Steuben County.
How can I obtain a copy of Elisha Swift's journal, in whole or in
part? I have logged into the card catalogs of the University of
Rochester and Cornell University but I was not able to find
anything.
Thank you for referrals to Elisha Swift's records or any other
documents pertaining to the early religious history of Steuben
County.
Perry Streeter ([log in to unmask])
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Canandaigua, New York 14424-8809
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I can't give you any clues as to where to find the journal, but if
you do, I would very much like to discuss it with you. My research
into inland navigation during the period of 1790 to 1820, before the
Erie Canal, searches for eyewitness accounts by travelers on that
system. If this journal covers extensive travel in New York, and any
of it was by water, I would be very much interested in seeing it.
Good luck wth your search.
Philip Lord
New York State Museum
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I am cross posting this for those of you who might not have seen it.
Barbara Lilley
New York State Library
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Subject: AMC Preservation Festival
The following is posted on behalf of Caroline Frick of AMC:
"As coordinator of the American Movie Classics' film preservation festival,
I want to alert AMIA members to this annual event and to seek your support.
For the last four years, AMC has worked with the Film Foundation to collect
almost one million dollars for film preservation. By showcasing preserved
and restored films, and by airing mini-documentaries, we attempt to raise
awareness and funds to support the film preservation cause.
We are hoping to expand the scope of our festival to include footage from
regional archives that will communicate to our audience that preservation is
not just a Hollywood oriented issue - to reinforce that is is a
local/community concern as well. Thus, I am hoping to solicit participation
from a wide variety of regional archives through AMIA. It would be
wonderful to hear from archives in every state. Such a multitude of images
would help illustrate the urgent need for film preservation across the nation.
This project will provide a unique opportunity to gain media attention for
your collections while joining forces with a variety of institutions. If
you are interested in becoming a part of our film preservation festival,
please contact me as soon as possible. I do not have access to the Internet
but can be contacted at the following address:
Caroline Frick
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150 Crossways Park West
Woodbury, New York 11797
Phone (516) 364-2222 ext. 314
Fax (516) 364-8924
Please let me know if you have any comments or suggestions. Thanks!"
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Dear Barbara -
>
> "As coordinator of the American Movie Classics' film preservation festival,
> I want to alert AMIA members to this annual event and to seek your support.
> For the last four years, AMC has worked with the Film Foundation to collect
> almost one million dollars for film preservation. By showcasing preserved
> and restored films, and by airing mini-documentaries, we attempt to raise
> awareness and funds to support the film preservation cause.
>
> We are hoping to expand the scope of our festival to include footage from
> regional archives that will communicate to our audience that preservation is
> not just a Hollywood oriented issue - to reinforce that is is a
> local/community concern as well. Thus, I am hoping to solicit participation
> from a wide variety of regional archives through AMIA. It would be
> wonderful to hear from archives in every state. Such a multitude of images
> would help illustrate the urgent need for film preservation across the nation.
If I may suggest, please don't forget a wealth of information
availabe from your local public broadcasting stations. In many
cases, just this kind of footage is somehting we've dealt with
in locally produced documentaries.
If you wish to know who the NY State Public Broadcasting stations
are and their e-mail addresses, just go to
http://www.nylink.org
and access the hotlink for New York State stations.
Good luck!
Pat
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I'm putting together a little virtual archive for Columbia County history,
and would like some feedback on the concept. The URL is
http://www.berkshire.net/~bathrick/columbia . The site is by no means
complete - though a couple pages are labeled "Under Construction"
the entire site is sparcely populated with real information.
If anyone likes what they see and would like to add information they
already have, or would like to do something expressly for this project,
please drop me a line.
Mike
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Please post the following:
1997 LARRY J. HACKMAN RESEARCH RESIDENCY PROGRAM --
Deadline September 30, 1996
The New York State Archives and the Archives Partnership Trust
announce the availability of awards for qualified applicants (those
working on doctoral dissertations or at the postdoctoral level are
particularly encouraged to apply, but any advanced research will be
considered) to pursue research (advanced work in New York State
history, government or public policy) using the holdings of the New York
State Archives. Projects involving alternative uses of the Archives,
such as background research for multimedia projects, exhibits,
documentaries, and historical novels, are also eligible. The topic or area
of study must draw, at least in part, on the holdings of the New York
State Archives. Preference will be given to projects: (1) that have
application to enduring public policy issues, particularly in New York
State, (2) that rely on holdings that have been little used and are not
available electronically or on microfilm, and (3) that have a high
probability of publication or other public dissemination.
A total of $15,000 will be available beginning in February 1997 for
research to be carried out during 1997. Awards of $6,000 each will be
made for in-depth research over a substantial period of time, and
awards of $1,500 each will be made for shorter research visits. The
awards are intended to defray costs of travel, living expenses, and
other research-related expenses.
Complete program announcement and application forms are available:
-via gopher at: gopher.sara.nysed.gov
-via the WWW at: http://www.sara.nysed.gov
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or from: Jill A. Rydberg, Archives Partnership Trust, Cultural Education
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I am looking for information on Migrations out of New York and into Michigan
from about 1840's to 1860's. I am most interested in migrations from Greene
County and Duchass County area up into Rochester and then onto Michigan
(1850?). How did folks travel then? The Erie Canal, stage, walk? Did folks
go through Canada to Michigan or on Steamship to Detroit on Lake Erie? Any
information on documented travels at this time?
Matt Carman
Simi Valley, CA
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Researching: CARMAN (Joseph/Peter), GOULD, LEETE, LACY, SACKETT, L'STRANGE,
DOAN
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Matt,
I don't know if I can help you directly, but I am interested in the same
general topic. I am a curator at the Seneca Falls Historical Society and
soon to be graduate student. I am studying the migrations of Seneca County
residents to Michigan and Ohio, of which there were many. I have read that
steamship on Lake Erie was a common mode of travel,but I have also heard of
the Canadian route being used. Can't tell you where I've seen this, but I
will look and let you know if I find it.
I would look forward to discussing the topic with you further.
Anne M. Derousie
8909 Keady Road
Lodi, New York 14860
607-582-6203
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Regarding the inquiry on migrations west from the Seneca Falls area,
can you narrow the time frame a bit? I may be able to shed some light
on favored routes prior to the Erie Canal - i.e., anything before
about 1820.
I would also be interested in what you have by way of emmigrant
journals that turn up out west.
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At 10:04 PM 5/10/96 -0400, you wrote:
>I am looking for information on Migrations out of New York and into Michigan
>from about 1840's to 1860's. I am most interested in migrations from Greene
>County and Duchass County area up into Rochester and then onto Michigan
>(1850?). How did folks travel then? The Erie Canal, stage, walk? Did folks
>go through Canada to Michigan or on Steamship to Detroit on Lake Erie? Any
>information on documented travels at this time?
Matt,
Although, I have no definitive answers for you I believe that at least some
went via land following the edge of Lake Erie since, I have some Harvey's
who left NY. ca 1840 and ended up in MI. while others are found in Ashtabula
Co. Oh. The most likely route from Greene/Dutchess co. was roughly along
what is today the NY. Thruway, since I have found Harvey's who seemed to
settle along the way not far from this line. The Erie Canal also followed
this line. There were Harveys from Greene Co. who eventually settled in
Ashtabula co. Oh., although I haven't connected them to my Harveys of
Ashtabula Co. yet. What are the surnames you are looking at? Perhaps there
is a connection.
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I am looking for newspapers in the Geneva, Auburn, Oswego, and Syracuse
area for December 1871. Is there an easy way to find out what's available?
I'm especially interested in newspapers in the "greater Geneva Area".
Thank you very much for any help.
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For newspapers on microfilm available at the NYS Library:
gopher unix2.nysed.gov (or gopher://unix2.nysed.gov)
Full Text of Publications of the New York State Library
New York State Newspapers on Microfilm Available from the
NYS Library
[Name of] County NY Available on Microfilm from the NYSL
DOCUMENT: [List of newspapers arranged alphabetically
[under names of municipalities]
If it's on microfilm at the State Library, it can be borrowed through
interlibrary loan; see your local librarian.
For newspapers that have not yet been microfilmed, find a library that
has access to OCLC and ask the librarian to do a search on the name of
the community and the subject being newspapers. (There may be a
charge for the search.)
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Try the New York State Newspaper Project, New York State Library,
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On Mon, 13 May 1996, Barbara Taylor wrote:
> I am looking for newspapers in the Geneva, Auburn, Oswego, and Syracuse
> area for December 1871. Is there an easy way to find out what's available?
> I'm especially interested in newspapers in the "greater Geneva Area".
> Thank you very much for any help.
>
>
>
> Barbara Taylor
> Original Cataloger
> 340 Myron Taylor Hall
> Cornell University Law Library
> Ithaca, NY 14853
>
> e-mail: [log in to unmask]
> voice: (607) 255-5860
>
>
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When I was doing some genealogy research and using the 1870 census for Albany, I
found a listing of all the Albany county newspapers at the beginning of the
microfilm role. I then shared that list of newspapers with this group, and some
were corroborated with "Newspapers in Microform" (pub. by the Library of
Congress) and the "Union List of Serials". However, there were newspapers in my
list that are not preserved in microfilm formats.
I highly recommend looking at the 1870 census for the county you are interested
in.
Just for the record, here is the list of Albany county newspapers as listed in
the 1870 census. As you can see, it gives quite a bit of info on each
publication.
Name Type schedule circulation
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
Albany Argus Pol&News Daily 4700
Albany Argus Pol&News semiweekly 3300
Albany Argus Pol&News weekly 9000
Evening Post Pol&News daily 1500
Evening Journal Pol&News daily 5500
Evening Journal Pol&News daily 19000
Knickerbocker Pol&News daily 2000
Express Pol&News daily 6000
Catholic Chronicle Religous weekly 500
Cultivation Agrigulture weekly 15000
Frier Blatter Pol&News weekly 500
Albany Times Pol&News daily 1000
Albany Law Journal Law monthly 500
Cohoes Cataract Pol&News weekly 800
West Troy Democrat Pol&News weekly 900
Coeyman's Gazette Pol&News weekly 600
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The U.S. Newspaper Project is funded by NEH and is attempting to catalog
and microfilm newspapers state by state. The New York Newspaper Project
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On Mon, 13 May 1996, Barbara Taylor wrote:
> I am looking for newspapers in the Geneva, Auburn, Oswego, and Syracuse
> area for December 1871. Is there an easy way to find out what's available?
> I'm especially interested in newspapers in the "greater Geneva Area".
> Thank you very much for any help.
>
>
>
> Barbara Taylor
> Original Cataloger
> 340 Myron Taylor Hall
> Cornell University Law Library
> Ithaca, NY 14853
>
> e-mail: [log in to unmask]
> voice: (607) 255-5860
>
>
>
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In a message dated 96-05-13 12:38:38 EDT, you write:
>> I am looking for information on Migrations out of New York and into
Michigan from about 1840's to 1860's. I am most interested in migrations
from Greene County and Duchass County area up into Rochester and then onto
Michigan (1850?). How did folks travel then? The Erie Canal, stage, walk?
Did folks go through Canada to Michigan or on Steamship to Detroit on Lake
Erie? Any information on documented travels at this time? <<
My understanding is that there significant migration from the Hudson Valley
(Greene, Dutchess and Ulster County areas) in the middle 1840s. The
completion of the Erie Canal, connecting the Hudson River with Lake Erie made
this possible. This heavy migration was even known as "Michigan Fever."
Typically, they'd travel via canal boat across the canal and then across
Lake Erie to Michigan's eastern shore. A significant number of my ancestors
and cousins migrated in this manner. Most settled in what became the eastern
townships of Michigan, north of Detroit. Still others went west of Detroit
to settle in the central part of the lower peninsula. Some went south and
settled in northern Ohio. Michigan Fever faded quickly as "Gold Rush Fever"
struck in the last 1840s. More later .....
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Matt.
There is a wealth of information in the libraries on the North shore of Lake
Erie. I live on the North Shore and the history of the Lake is fascinating.
Most of the Genealogical Societies are of litle help in this regard. Small
town newspapers run weekly features on great ships of the past. Histories of
small ports tell tales of ships seeking refuge in storms. There was a great
deal of passenger traffic between Buffalo and Detroit in the period you
question. I've never seen passenger lists although occaisionaly you will see
lists of victims of a wreck.
The short answer is that the Great Lakes have been a major thoroughfare
since man has resided in North America. Having done extensive historical and
genealogical research in this area I can assure you that passenger lists are
not commonly available in libraries or museums.
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>I am looking for information on Migrations out of New York and into Michigan
>from about 1840's to 1860's. I am most interested in migrations from Greene
>County and Duchass County area up into Rochester and then onto Michigan
>(1850?). How did folks travel then? The Erie Canal, stage, walk? Did folks
>go through Canada to Michigan or on Steamship to Detroit on Lake Erie? Any
>information on documented travels at this time?
>
>Matt Carman
>Simi Valley, CA
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In addition to the method of transportation for those folks that went
from New York to Michigan, I'm curious about why they went there. My
great-grandfather and his family went from Rochester, NY to Leoni Township
in Jackson Co, MI in about 1865. Members of his wife's family also went
there from the Mohawk Valley area (Manlius). Was land (free or inexpensive)
the reason?
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Phil and Matt,
Are either of you familiar with the book published in 1994 entitled "Life on
the Ohio Frontier: A Collection of Letters from Mary Lott to Deacon John
Phillips, 1826 - 1846" ? Some of Mary Lott's family came from Dutchess
County and settled in Delaware County, Ohio. As for mode of transportation.
Mary Lott wrote in a letter dated 1826, " We came from Buffalo [New York] to
Portland [Ohio] on the steam boat; had good luck, was two days and two nights
on the water..." pg 23.
I was more interested in migrations out of Seneca County after between
1820-1850. But anything before that date would be of interest as a contrast
for I suspect the opening of the Erie Canal had an impact on the move west.
I have nothing on journals yet, but I do intend to do some exploring in Ohio
and Michigan in the future. I have a list of migrants from Seneca County and
the exact locations where they went to when they moved west,so hopefully I
can track some of them down.
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Anne
Best of luck finding western journals. I would be most interested. If
you set your start-up date [for the trip] at 1820, it may be that
some of these travelers, at least, used an overland road or the
pre-Erie Canal inland navigations system. By the latter, they would
depart the Finger Lakes region, come down the Seneca River to a tiny
place called "Three Rivers", which was then the hub of inland travel
[sort of the Chicago of the 1790s] - and then down the Oswego River
to Oswego. They could then continue on to Niagara country in small
boats, along the southerly shore of Lake Ontario, or transfer to
larger sailing vessels.
After about 1825-30, most would take the Erie Canal to Buffalo, or go
overland by road.
There is a lot to learn yet of this transitional era just before the
canal era, and much of it is hidden in the eyewitness accounts these
journals "out west" have to offer.
Phil Lord
NYS Museum
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It isn't Michigan but...
Settlers left the eastern end of Lake Ontario heading west in
large sailing vessels. One local lake captain and ship owner,
Augustus Pickering of Sackets Harbor, NY, supposedly sailed the
first ship into Chicago harbor sometime in the early 1830s. The ship was the
"Illinois" and its cargo included agricultural equipment and settlers.
I'm sure the settlers weren't from Duchess County or Seneca Falls but
Sackets Harbor _was_ a very active port at the time.
Capt. Pickering settled in Michigan for awhile himself before
returning to Sackets and building a second ship -- which became wedged in
the Welland canal on its maiden voyage.
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Regarding transportation westward over the Great Lakes in the early part of
the 19th century, the papers of Josephus Bradner Stuart [1787-1828] may be of
some help. Stuart was operator/owner of the first steamboat to traverse the
Erie, Huron and Michigan lakes. This would be c.1818-19. May be a bit
early, but the collection of his papers is a good one, and may turn up
something. You can find his papers at the William L. Clements Library, Univ.
Mich., Ann Arbor. Good luck.
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Migration to Michigan from NY:
John Hudson, a historical geographer has done some interesting studies
on migration streams to the Midwest. He uses County Atlases, which list
place of birth, and then creates maps of origin. To locate this and other
historical-geographic work, see the massive bibliographic volume edited
by Michael Conzen and published by the University of Chicago Press; I think
it's called something like "Recent Research on the American Past by Historical
Geographers" (approximately 1992).
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Concerning NY migrations. Ralph H. Brown's classic "Historical Geography
of the US" (Harcourt, Brace, 1948) has a chapter on the settlement of
Michigan. He quotes the Dtroit Gazette (July 7, 1820) on arrivals at
the port of Detroit for a one-week period. There are 14 schooners and
two steamboats. Three schooners and one steamboat("walk on the Water")
are from Buffalo carrying passengers as well as pork and other merchandise.
The other boats came from "Ohio Ports."
Patrick McGreevy
Clarion University
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In a message dated 96-05-13 12:35:18 EDT, you write:
>The most likely route from Greene/Dutchess co. was roughly along
>what is today the NY. Thruway, since I have found Harvey's who seemed to
>settle along the way not far from this line. The Erie Canal also followed
>this line.
The best line to check out is the Erie Canal.
Next; US 20/NYS 5 (oft referred to as 5&20) which were the main routes before
the thruway.
Finally, The Lehigh Valley and NY Central (presently Conrail) railroads also
followed some of the old wagon roads.
A goodly number travelled to Buffalo and from there went west.
I can only speculate but the most likely means - depending on the era are;
The steamboat on Lake Erie;
The road along the south shore (US 20 - now I 90);
Or, the rails - NY Central - from Buffalo to Cleveland and Chicago.
Until the last 40 years or so a southern route, about the alignment of NY 17
was not there. Due to the terrain it was easier - and quicker - to go north
first. Thus, the main routes were all concentrated in a narrow space roughly
25-30 miles across that followed the lake (Ontario) shore. This was not along
the shore because of the many bays and inlets that extend inland a few miles
from Ontario's edge. The Genesee's series of gorges (two especially) near
what is now Letchworth State Park and north of present Downtown Rochester
presented a formidible impediment to easy travel in those regions.
People travelling in wagons or on foot had a tendancy to follow waterways or
level spaces. For this reason I cited the three routes above.
Mr Gerry
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As for mode of transportation.
> Mary Lott wrote in a letter dated 1826, " We came from Buffalo [New York]
to
> Portland [Ohio] on the steam boat; had good luck, was two days and two
nights
> on the water..." pg 23.
The Buffalo newspapers, especially in the 1830s have a significant number of
stories of wharves and hotels crowded to overflowing with people moving west,
waitting for the next steamboat. A fairly sophisticated cartel arrangement
broke down in the late thirties as people rushed to build more steamboats to
carry more passengers west to Michigan and after 1835 or so to the great
federal land sales at Chicago.
The schooner trade got only the overflow of this trade; but moved a lot of
goods west to be sold to these migrants. [One of the big reasons for the
fuss over the wreck of the _Atlantic_, (1852, in Canadian waters in Lake
Erie) is that many of these people travelled with their life "savings"
converted into gold and carried in money belts.]
The Detroit papers note arrivals; they also note at various times large
numbers of wagons crossing the river by ferry. This suggests that if you
wanted to take a large amount of "stuff" west you took the wagon and the
shortcut through Upper Canada made sense (a number stopped for a generation
or two along the way). By the mid-1850s the railroads were moving most of
these.
Newspaper references available on request.
Walter Lewis
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Another State but same Carman extended family, my gggrandfather Joseph
purchased
Bounty Land in Henderson County,IL in 1836 and moved with wife and children
to area. This branch lived in Monmouth County NJ. His father, Samuel,
was
Rev War veteran. Do you think they would they have taken same routes as
Dutchess/Michigan group. This is great discussion. Regards Patricia
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Here in central New York, it was a common practice during the first
half of the nineteenth century for people erecting a new house to put a
coin minted that same year in the corner of the building.
Does any one know anything more about this practice; where it came
from; why; or any other folk ways of the same sort? Was this common
elsewhere?
Any information about this will be appreciated.
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Carol, among the PA Dutch it was common to place a 'fracture' (sp.) prayer
in a slot in a beam to protect the barn or other building against lightning.
Don't know if this is a similar enough tradition...
Mike
On Fri, 17 May 1996, carol kammen wrote:
> Here in central New York, it was a common practice during the first
> half of the nineteenth century for people erecting a new house to put a
> coin minted that same year in the corner of the building.
> Does any one know anything more about this practice; where it came
> from; why; or any other folk ways of the same sort? Was this common
> elsewhere?
> Any information about this will be appreciated.
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> Carol Kammen
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Carole-
Regarding the placement of coins in the corner of foundations: My guess is
that the practice is related to one which was common- and is common today- of
including dated materials in cornerstones. In the nineteenth century
cornerstones of churches and public buildings were hollowed out and filled
with newspapers, city directories, and coins of the day. Usually an engraved
plaque, describing the building endeavor, with names of the building
committee, builder, architect, etc, was included. The practice itself
probably comes from Masonic ritual. Can't help you on that. I can offer,
however, that builders still are in the habit of placing coins in the
corners of buildings- when we had an addition put on our house several years
back, coins were placed by the builder in the hollows of the cinder-block of
the foundation. He put some in each corner, saying that 'we'd never be
without money'.
Alternately, the practice might go back quite a way, with very different
roots. People have believed in spirits that need to be exorcised from
corners, or at least appeased.....Darkness accumulates there! A traditional
way [still in use] of treating this condition in an extant building is to
place salt in the corners of the rooms of a building one intends to occupy,
salt being a traditional purifying element.
Wally
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>>I am looking for information on Migrations out of New York and into
Michigan from about 1840's to 1860's. I am most interested in migrations
from Greene County and Duchass [Dutchess] County area up into Rochester and
then onto Michigan (1850?). How did folks travel then? The Erie Canal,
stage, walk? Did folks go through Canada to Michigan or on Steamship to
Detroit on Lake Erie? Any information on documented travels at this time?<<
>>Matt Carman
Simi Valley, CA
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Matt,
The April 1992 issue of The Crooked Lake Review, a history review published
in the Finger Lakes region of New York State, contains a brief article about
Carolyn Matilda Stansbury Kirkland, an author who, with her husband, educator
William Kirkland, moved from Geneva, New York, to Michigan, where William had
accepted a post as head of the new Detroit Female Seminary. Caroline Kirkland
wrote three books about life on the Michigan frontier - A New Home: Who'll
Follow? (1839); Forest Life (?); Western Clearings (1845). Her depiction of
frontier life was a little too close to the truth to suit her neighbors, but
the books became popular back east. The Kirklands eventually moved back to
New York City, where near sighted William Kirkland literally took a long walk
off a short pier one day and drowned.
The article does not mention the mode of transportation the Kirklands used to
reach Michigan; I would suspect it was probably by a Great Lakes steamship.
If you could locate A New Home: Who'll Follow?, It would probably go into
detail.
Another source - The Bark Covered House, or Back in the Woods Again (1896),
by William Nowlin, was published in facsimile by Readex Microprint
Corporation in 1966, and included in their Great Americana series of
reprints. To paraphrase Knowlin's description of the trip out:
They left New York State's Putnam County in 1834. The father had gone out on
a scouting trip in 1832 and returned for his family. He'd traveled across
Lake Erie, along with a George Purdy, in the boat "Shelvin Thompson" which
had run into severe weather. The father looked over the Dearborn area,
decided to settle there, and bought 80 acres of land.
The Knowlins left Putnam County in the Spring of 1834 (they had traveled by
wagon the twenty-five miles to Poughkeepsie to stay with relatives the
previous winter). They traveled by wagon to Utica, where they caught traveled
by boat on the Erie Canal, to Buffalo. After a night in a seedy waterfront
hotel, where thieves tried to break in three times, the debarked the next
morning on the steamer Michigan. Traveling steerage, to save money, they
sailed with "about six hundred passengers." They had a three-day layover in
Cleveland due to lake storms. The rest of the weather was almost as stormy
and they often despaired of making Detroit alive. A horse died and the
passengers had to fight an onboard fire, but they did.
The rest of the book details their lives in Dearborn. It's well written and
definitely worth tracking down.
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My family migrated about 1800 from Chester,VT, to Massena, NY. I have
assumed that they must have gone up Lake Champlain, either on water or on
ice, depending on the season, and then cross-country at about Plattsburgh
or Champlain. Or would it have been more practicable to go up to the St.
Lawrence River and come down (actually up)?
Does anyone have knowledge of what the normal (I'm also assuming they were
normal) would have been?
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I don't know offhand but if I recall correctly the PBS show 'This Old House' had
some info on it several years ago.
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HI,
I know we have just started to restore our house. It was built in
the late 1800's. We found a sunday school coin stuck behind some molding.
Susan
Susan Walski
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> My families also left NY (Orleans Co mostly) migrated to Kalamazoo Co MI
> 1820s-50.
> A few went out first on horseback to scout it out, partly drawn by enterprising
> developers who created colonies. My scouts came back and got their families
> filled
> wagons and used the Erie Canal to get to trails through Ohio to Ypsilanti then
> west
> to Kalamazoo.
>
> Others went northwest or north. If they were really in the money, they took a
> boat
> across Lake Erie to Detroit but Ypsilanti was still their first goal for fresh
> supplies and new direction. My family stories tell of subsequent emigrants who
> had
> wagons drawn by horse or famliy and some who pushed carts but most walked,
> carrying
> everything on their backs. The traffic was so heavy about 1840, they told of
> being
> kept awake all night with the noise of rumbling wagons and people tramping by.
>
> Incidentally, my Michigan family names from NY: Skinner, Chamberl(a)in, Delano,
> Street
>
> Margaret Downs Glendinning
>
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Re: putting a coin of the same date in the corner of a completed
house.
There was a practice of putting a coin in the bottom of the mast step
before inserting the mast of a newly completed vessel. And
archeologists often toss a few coins of the current year into an
excavation before filling it back up to prevent later excavators from
confusing the age of the hole.
It seems like a pretty basic impulse, and probably the most efficient
way of establishing a monument to the year of completion. Whether it
had broader implications, such as good luck, would be difficult to
prove, as these rituals were not often documented.
Phil Lord
NYS Museum
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The Town of Fairfield is celebrating its Bicentennial of Incorporation with a
series of events. On Friday, May 31, a five mile run-2 mile walk will occur
at 6:30 pm, followed by a bonfire and folk singing on the campus of the
Fairfield Academy.
On Saturday, June 1, there will be a Bicentennial Parade on Route 29, in the
hamlet of Fairfield, beginning at 10:00 a.m. There will also be a Craft Fair
and BBQ. This will be the first parade in Fairfield village for at least 100
years. Think sun!
On Sunday, at 9:30 a.m. in Trinity Episcopal Church, Fairfield, there will be
an Ecumenical Service, with a skit involving the first vestrymen and founders
of the parish in 1807. Graveyard tours of the village cemeteries will follow
the service. Free brunch in the Community Hall. Trinity Church is on the
State and National Historic Registers. The Mother Church of the churches in
the Mohawk Valley, the first Episcopal church north of the Mohawk River.
Visitors are very welcome at all the festivities. Exit the NYS Thruway at
Herkimer . Route 29 can be reached by taking route 28 north from Herkimer.
A lovely drive through rolling hills along the West Canada Creek.
Thank you for reading.
Jane Dieffenbacher
Town Historian
Box 1
Middleville, NY 13406
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Date: Wed, 22 May 96 22:36:54 -0500
Subject: Re: Naturalization
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>Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 21:22:30 -0700
>From: [log in to unmask] (Evelyn C. Robinson)
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>Subject: NATURALIZATION
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>If a man immigrants from England to USA, settles in NY, then
>voluteers to serve his new country as an officer in the 67th
>NY Voluteers during the CIVIL WAR and serves his time, is he
>automatically given his naturalization papers, or does he
>still have to apply for them after the war. Sure need some
>help on this one.
>Evelyn -- [log in to unmask]
Date: Wed, 22 May 96 01:08:17 -0500
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To: [log in to unmask] (Evelyn C. Robinson)
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On Sat, 11 May 1996, [log in to unmask] (Evelyn C. Robinson)
wrote:
>Hi Alex Roshuk in Canada,
>
>I have a fairly accurate detailed profile of my British
>ancestor, Arthur H. Howe's movements from the time he married
>in 1859, Troy, NY until his death in 1910, Schenectady, NY. I
>have know evidence of when he arrived in the USA but probably
>around 1850 at about age 22.
Dear Evelyn:
Probably the best book I've looked at is by J. Kettner "The
Development of American Citizenship, 1608-1870" (Chapel Hill:
University of N.C. Press, 1978). This book explains how after
the revolution various states gave citizenship status to
property owners. I didn't find any specific mention of
loyalty oaths, but my guess is that in order to serve in the
Civil War he took a loyalty oath, which was all that was
necessary to guarantee one's allegiance at the time. You must
remember that at the time of the American Revolution, all those
living in the 13 colonies were British subjects, the
Loyalists went to Canada, some return to England, but those who
stayed behind became citizens of the state in which they
resided. The franchise only mattered if you were a property
owner, and concepts such as dual nationality were later
conceptions of international law. At this point mobility was
not as great as it is today, and the concept of immigrant
populations was not very clear in early 19th century minds.
This book is a very good legal history of the law and practice
relating to citizenship in the early American republic. If you
or anyone else need more clarification, do not hesitate to
contact me.
Alex Roshuk
Department of History
McGill University, Montreal, CANADA
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An Act of Congress passed July 17, 1862 (12 Stat. 597) permitted aliens
serving in the U.S. Army (both regulars and volunteers) to petition a court
of record for an order of naturalization, without first filing a declaration of
intention to become a citizen. The act also reduced the residence
requirement from five years to one year.
The source of the above information is John J. Newman, American
Naturalization Processes and Procedures, 1790-1985 (Indianapolis:
1985).
Jim Folts
New York State Archives
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Subject: Conference on New York State History - reminder!
Conference on New York State History
June 7-8, 1996
The 1996 conference at SUNY New Paltz features eleven
presentation panels and a keynote address. Session titles
are:
Friday, June 7:
Survivors: Women in the 18th Century
Cultures of Depression-Era Ideologies
Economics of Community Founding
Identity and Work: New York Labor Activists
Advancing State Control over Local Schooling
Political Unrest in 19th Century New York City
Doctrines & Deviants: Church Discipline in NYS
Alexander C. Flick Lecture in New York State History
The Piano Makers: Labor Relations at Steinway & Sons
Richard K. Lieberman, La Guardia and Wagner Archives, CUNY
Saturday, June 8:
Settlement of the Hudson Valley and the Catskills
Men's Work in Imperial New York
The Founding Fathers at Odds
Memorializing and Demonizing (monuments and revisionism)
All historians of New York are most welcome!
For a conference flyer, program information, registration,
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History publishers and historical organizations will
sponsor informational exhibits.
In addition, our New Paltz hosts have arranged pre and post-
conference activities that will provide additional social and
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Walk-in and single-day registrations are welcome. However, meal
reservations must be made by June 5.
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On Sat, 11 May 1996, [log in to unmask] (Evelyn C. Robinson) wrote:
>Hi Alex Roshuk in Canada,
>
>I have a fairly accurate detailed profile of my British ancestor, Arthur H.
>Howe's movements from the time he married in 1859, Troy, NY until his death
>in 1910, Schenectady, NY. I have know evidence of when he arrived in the
>USA but probably around 1850 at about age 22.
Probably the best book I've looked at is by J. Kettner "The Development of
American Citizenship, 1608-1870" (Chapel Hill: University of N.C. Press,
1978). This book explains how after the revolution various states gave
citizenship status to property owners. I didn't find any specific mention of
loyalty oaths, but my guess is that in order to serve in the Civil War he
took a loyalty oath, which was all that was necessary to guarantee one's
allegiance at the time. You must remember that at the time of the American
Revolution, all those living in the 13 colonies were British subjects, the
Loyalists went to Canada, some return to England, but those who stayed behind
became citizens of the state in which they resided. The franchise only
mattered if you were a property owner, and concepts such as dual nationality
were later conceptions of international law. At this point mobility was not
as great as it is today, and the concept of immigrant populations was not
very clear in early 19th century minds. This book is a very good legal
history of the law and practice relating to citizenship in the early American
republic. If you need more clarification, do not hesitate to contact me.
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Dear Evelyn,
I read the following posting at NYHIST-L with interest
to your case:
>Date: Thu, 23 May 1996 13:18:47 -0400
>From: James Folts <[log in to unmask]>
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>Subject: Re: Naturalization -Reply
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>An Act of Congress passed July 17, 1862 (12 Stat. 597) permitted aliens
>serving in the U.S. Army (both regulars and volunteers) to petition a court
>of record for an order of naturalization, without first filing a declaration of
>intention to become a citizen. The act also reduced the residence
>requirement from five years to one year.
>The source of the above information is John J. Newman, American
>Naturalization Processes and Procedures, 1790-1985 (Indianapolis:
>1985).
>Jim Folts
>New York State Archives
Dear Evelyn:
It seems to me this now raises the following issues:
Was Arthur H. Howe a naturalized citizen of New York
State after immigrating there in 1850 and marrying an
American citizen before he volunteered to serve
in the Civil War?
It would seem to me that records of his status
in the military during the war would indicate if he
was an alien before the passage of that act, if he
entered the army before he became naturalized.
If he took the required oath at a court of record
and you don't have any copy of the petition, my guess
would be either to look at court records where he
lived or was domiciled, or where he was stationed
during the Civil War.
A copy of the Act of Congress of July 17, 1862 (12 Stat. 597)
would clarify why this law was enacted. There must
have been a lot of foreign nationals who served in the
Civil War. I know there were a number of Canadians
who went south specifically to serve as soldiers then
similar to the situation of 5000 Canadians who served
in the Vietnam War for the United States. As Canadians
I beleive they do not qualify for veterans benefits,
perhaps the Civil War statute was an attempt to
encourage foreign nationals to fight for the North
and resettle in the U.S.
Alex ROSHUK
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>From a Hillsdale County, Michigan Biographical book, a description of the
westward movement of the individual's parents:
(The parent) "was born in Westchester County, NY and there grew to manhood.
He removed to Cayuga County in its early settlement and lived for a time in
Auburn where he plied his trade of shoemaker. Subsequently he bought a farm
in Aurelius and was actively engaged in agriculture until 1828 when he went
to Onondaga County and bought a farm in the town of Clay. In the winter of
1836-37 he disposed of his property in New York and moved with he family to
Ohio traversing the whole distance with teams and settled in Geneva,
Ashtabula County where he bought a farm."
This may show the desire of the early settler for freedom of movement but it
also shows some courage as his family was growing with each movement--that
final jump from New York to Ohio must have been with more than one team and
wagon as by then there were the two parents and eight children. The
migration westward was hard on the body though--he died by 1852 well before
he was sixty.
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It sounds to mew that the coin is like the
"amity button" affixed to the newel post of
a staircase, usually an ivory turning, that
was supposed, in late 19th century
Albany, symbolize that house owner and
builder both were satisfied with the work
done and the money paid. An amity button
is on the newel post of Albany's 1797 Ten
Broeck Mansion.
Then, the coin might just be for luck.
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A student of mine is attempting to locate state and/or local tax
records for what is now Bronx County in the 19th century. Westchester
County Archives say they were transferred to NYC; NYC says Westchester has
them. Etc., etc. Someone told him that the Library of the Huguenot
Association in New Rochelle has a large collection of materials relating
to Westchester County, but he has been unable to locate an institution by
that name. Any suggestions or advice would be most welcome.
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Where can I find biographies on Methodist Ministers?
I have two who were in NY - Samuel SEARL b. 1794 res. Cattaraugus, NY and
Chester LYON b. 1809 and lived in VT and NY.
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*HICKMAN* *BAILEY* *PERKINS* *CRABB* *ROGERS* *LAUB* *McGINNIS* *FRAZIER*
*CLAPP* *HAWES* *BENNETT* *DARNLEY* *WARREN* *TURNER* *LIVINGSTON* *GEE*
*SEARL* *ALEXANDER* *ANDREWS* *LYON* *RICKER* *FRANCISCO or CISCO*
*DOUGLASS* *HARRIS* *LUDDINGTON* *BUSH* *THORNE* *MOYES* *EVANS*
*ARMITSTEAD* *CLARK* *DANIELS* *ISBELL* *ADAMS* *STANTON* *EWERS*
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Annual proceedings of Methodist conferences (e.g. New York's
Genesee Conference) began to be printed in the mid-19th century, and
by the latter part of the century the proceedings occasionally included
obituaries of ministers who were members of the conference. You
would need to know the conference name and location and the date of
death of the minister. The major archives for northern Methodism is:
United Methodist Church
General Commission on Archives and History
36 Madison Avenue
PO Box 127
Madison, NJ 07940
Jim Folts
New York State Archives
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For information on Methodist Ministers in the areas served by the Troy
Conference I would suggest that you start with the Conference Archives. They
are held by the library of Green Mountain College, Poultney, Vermont.
All of the Methodist Conferences have a Commision on Archives that is
responsible for the preservation of records relating to the history of
Methodism in their respective regions. This includes church records and
frequently records relating to the ministers serving the churches in the
various conferences.
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Subject: 19th Century Tax Records--Westchester County
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Response to inquiry from Ted Burrows of Brooklyn College regarding tax
assessment rolls for present-day Bronx County (formerly part of
Westchester County), 19th century:
The New York State Archives holds real property tax assessment rolls
for the entire state (except New York County) for the years 1799-1803
or '04. These rolls (Archives series B0950) and are available on
microfilm. (Westchester County is found on reels 24-25.) These tax rolls
used the property assessments prepared for the 1798 Federal direct tax
(the schedules for that tax for New York are not extant).
Jim Folts
New York State Archives
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The Methodist Archives at Drew University (which was mentioned in James
Folt's e-mail message) also has an alphabetical card file of ministers
that will include their death dates and often lead you to the conference
minutes report that published their obituaries.
Peter J. Wosh
History Department
New York University
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My suspicion is that the tax records for 19th century "Bronx" should still be i
n Westchester County depositories. About thirty years ago I found land records
covering Morrisania, in th east Bronx, in the Westcheser County Courthouse in
White Plains. Land records, like tax records, are really not "divisible" when a
county is divided. They might be recopied for use by the new county, but the o
riginals should remain either where they were prepared, or in an archival depos
itory.
Herb Johnson
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Ms. Bush:
A good deal of Methodist archives are held by Green Mountain
College Library in Poultney, VT; although they are exclusively for the
Troy Conference, which has covered Vermont and Northern New York since
about 1832. You cannot receive any information from the college
library because the library only provides storage space for the
records and does not provide any reference assistance in the records. If you do not here from anyone else in the next day or so, I will
attempt to find some information in the Methodist printed materials
here at the NY State Library.
jim corsaro
James Corsaro
Associate Librarian
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New York State Library
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On Wed, 29 May 1996, Vivian Karen Bush wrote:
> Where can I find biographies on Methodist Ministers?
>
> I have two who were in NY - Samuel SEARL b. 1794 res. Cattaraugus, NY and
> Chester LYON b. 1809 and lived in VT and NY.
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> *HICKMAN* *BAILEY* *PERKINS* *CRABB* *ROGERS* *LAUB* *McGINNIS* *FRAZIER*
> *CLAPP* *HAWES* *BENNETT* *DARNLEY* *WARREN* *TURNER* *LIVINGSTON* *GEE*
> *SEARL* *ALEXANDER* *ANDREWS* *LYON* *RICKER* *FRANCISCO or CISCO*
> *DOUGLASS* *HARRIS* *LUDDINGTON* *BUSH* *THORNE* *MOYES* *EVANS*
> *ARMITSTEAD* *CLARK* *DANIELS* *ISBELL* *ADAMS* *STANTON* *EWERS*
>
>
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From: Jim Corsaro <[log in to unmask]>
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Ms. Bush:
I have a brief biographical account of Chester Lyon. He was a
native of Waterbury, VT and died in North Hudson, NY in 1850. The
account I have runs three pages. If you will send me your address, I
will mail you a photocopy of it.
I did not find any biography of Samuel Searle; you may want
to check with the Methodist archives at Drew University.
Good luck.
jim corsaro
James Corsaro
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On Wed, 29 May 1996, Vivian Karen Bush wrote:
> Where can I find biographies on Methodist Ministers?
>
> I have two who were in NY - Samuel SEARL b. 1794 res. Cattaraugus, NY and
> Chester LYON b. 1809 and lived in VT and NY.
>
> [log in to unmask]
> [log in to unmask]
>
> *HICKMAN* *BAILEY* *PERKINS* *CRABB* *ROGERS* *LAUB* *McGINNIS* *FRAZIER*
> *CLAPP* *HAWES* *BENNETT* *DARNLEY* *WARREN* *TURNER* *LIVINGSTON* *GEE*
> *SEARL* *ALEXANDER* *ANDREWS* *LYON* *RICKER* *FRANCISCO or CISCO*
> *DOUGLASS* *HARRIS* *LUDDINGTON* *BUSH* *THORNE* *MOYES* *EVANS*
> *ARMITSTEAD* *CLARK* *DANIELS* *ISBELL* *ADAMS* *STANTON* *EWERS*
>
>
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