Some time ago there was inquiry about Typhoid Mary. Where did she end up?
And the writer suggested the answer to his own question; North Brother
Island. I don't recall seeing a response to that inquiry. The
Encyclopedia of New York City (which I got for Christmas, thank you)
confirms that Mary Mallon died on North Brother Island on Nov. 11, 1938.
She is buried in St. Raymond's Cemetery in the Bronx.
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Parkchester (housing project) in the Bronx sits on land formerly occupied by
the New York Catholic Protectory. I'm seeking more information on the
Catholic Protectory (especially a map of the grounds/facilities). Can anyone
refer me to a source for this material?
P.S. Are there any Parkies out there?
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Thank you for the information about Typhoid Mary. I will pass it
along to the person who wanted it, Bonnie Davis...do you know anything
about the first nuclear powered barge called the Savannah which was
built in the 60's? Thanksi
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I have my great-grandfather's discharge papers and each has different
information about him. When he was discharged in 1864 he was 5'9", dark
complexioned with dark hair and he was 49 years of age. He reinlisted and
was dischaged in 1865 and was 5'4" with a light complexion and light hair
and was 47 years of age. What these two papers have in common is: his
name, Adam Stein: his place of birth, Germany: his occupation, blacksmith:
his eye color,blue and Company "D" of the First Regiment of New York
Engineers. My questions could be: are these papers for the same man?
Can these descriptions be based on eye witness account as seen by the
officers who discharged Adam Stein (and each officer saw someone different
based on relativity)? Am I making any sense? Anyway would someone on
this list be able to cast some light on these papers? Thank you very
much, Barbara
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You might try the Lehman College Library in the Bronx or the Bronx County
Historical Society, they both have collections on the development of the
Bronx.
Barbara Lilley
NYS Program for the Conservation and Preservation of Library Research
Materials
On Fri, 29 Dec 1995 [log in to unmask] wrote:
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> the New York Catholic Protectory. I'm seeking more information on the
> Catholic Protectory (especially a map of the grounds/facilities). Can anyone
> refer me to a source for this material?
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re NS "Savannah" is not a barge but a ship -- a commercial freighter built as
a coop effort of the US Maritime administration and the US Atomic Energy
commission.
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Gerry,
Presently, I am researching the history of Little Falls, NY. One
major topic is the development and subsequent decline of industry in
Little Falls - particularly the knitting goods industry which gained
economic prominence in late 1800s, peaked in early 1900s and started to
relocate to southern states in late 1920s.
I would sincerely appreciate receiving the modest bibliography on
Mohawk Valley industrial history and any specific comments that may be
useful to be in sorting out what were the major factors in this rapid
rise and decline of the knitting mills.
Thanks. Dick Buckley, in Reston, VA.
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Aloha! I am searching for biographical information about a NY State Justice
(either State Supreme Court or Court of Appeals)--Herbert van Kirk-- Sat
over (?) 3 decades (1920s, 30s, and 40s). Resided in Greenwich, NY
(Washington County). Died about 1942-45. Any suggestions for resource
greatly appreciated. Thank you, Joe Talanoa, Honolulu.
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Does anyone have ready access to a file of the Penn Yan Democrat?
Stafford Cleveland's HISTORY AND DIRECTORY OF YATES COUNTY (1873)
pp. 450-51, makes a claim for the Seneca Chief Red Jacket having
been born at Keuka Lake. "For this statement we have the
authority of Red Jacket himself. On a journey with other chiefs
to Washington not far from the period of Gen. Jackson's first
inauguration to the Presidency, Red Jacket addressed a public
meeting called to give him a reception at Geneva. In that speech
he stated that his birthplace was near the west arm of the
Keuka... A sketch of that speech was reported by Roderick N.
Morrison, for the Penn Yan Democrat, and Alfred Reed, then an
apprentice in that office, was the printer who put it in type."
I'd like to get a copy of the speech. RJ also is claimed to have
given a speech in Waterloo, NY, about that time that claimed
Canoga in Seneca County as his birthplace. The weight of the
evidence seems to suggest that Canoga is the birthplace, though
RJ's early childhood spent near Branchport on Keuka Lake.
Thanks.
Christopher Densmore
University Archives, State University of New York at Buffalo
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There is a biography of Herbert Van Kirk in "History of New York
State 1523-1927" by Dr. James Sullivan (c) 1927 Lewis Historical
Publishing Company, New York p. 180.
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A new book of New York and/or Railroad history has come across
the desk. It is Pioneer American Railroads: The Mohawk and Hudson
& The Saratoga and Schenectady by F. Daniel Larkin, professor of
history at SUNY Oneonta. It is published by Purple Mountain
Press.
Professor Larkin is also the author of two other New York titles;
John B. Jervis, American Engineering Pioneer (1990) and New York
Yesterday and Today (1985).
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Bill Evans announced the publication by Dan Larkin on the Mohawk and
Hudson RR [among others], New York's first railroad.
Those interested may also like to know that the last few hundred feet
of the original raidbed, built between Albany and Schenectady, are
still preserved adjacent to the SUNY Albany campus in the west part
of town, where the rail line cut through the sand dunes of the Pine
Bush. All the rest of the original line, which was shifted northward
a few years after it was built, has been over-run by urban sprawl in
Albany or Schenectady, the construction of the SUNY campus and the
State Office Campus, or the building of I-90. Ironically, the old
line ran within a few feet of the front door of the Department of
Transportation Building on the State Office Campus, the
construction of which wiped out what had been very visible evidence of
this railbed.
The only archeology ever done on this line was done by us [New York
State Museum] for the DOT as part of an environmental impact study of
a new intersection of the I-90 by-pass. Archeologcial evidence of the
original 1830s line was found and much more could have been recorded.
But the work done was sufficient to establish the site was
eligible for the National Register of Historic Places and to cause the
interchange to be repositioned to save this historic site in its
original Pine Bush setting. This combination of intact railbed and
intact natural setting provided a truly amazing opportunity
to experience its history in the midst of urban development.
In spite of the success of this preservation effort relative to the
state highway project, however, and given that the site was on City
land, not State land, it went on the block and has been purchased for
office development. While the developers are being told to isolate
the railbed itself as greenspace, the natural setting that surrounded
it will be lost.
I have copies of the research, as well as pre-construction maps
of the railbed before the SUNY and State campuses were built. Anyone
interested in learning more about the site, the reports and research
done on the site years ago for DOT, and the present situation, may
feel free to contact me. The days of seeng this in its pristine
condition are, literally, numbered.
Philip Lord
Chief, Historical Survey
State Education Department
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Do you know when the Savannah was built??? Thank, Bonnie Davis
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Patrick,
I should have the bibliography ready by the middle of next week.
Gerry Z.
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Phil, I am the Public Relations Director for the Rochester Chapter of the
National Railway Historical Society. We are always interested in any info
available on NY State RR. We have a library at the New York Museum of
Transportation, if you would like to send us any info to be included in our
displays we would appreciate it. Please send it to my attention at the
following address:
Mike Byrne
49 Weiland Woods Lane
Rochester, NY 14626.
I will send you a copy of our booklet that gives an overview of our
collection as a thank you. Please respond with a snail mail address so I
can send this publication (32 page soft cover).
>
>I have copies of the research, as well as pre-construction maps
>of the railbed before the SUNY and State campuses were built. Anyone
>interested in learning more about the site, the reports and research
>done on the site years ago for DOT, and the present situation, may
>feel free to contact me. The days of seeng this in its pristine
>condition are, literally, numbered.
>
>Philip Lord
>Chief, Historical Survey
>State Education Department
>[log in to unmask]
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Bill, I am the PR Director of The Rochester and Genesee Valley RR Museum
and would like a copy of this book. Do you have an address or phone number
to get in touch with the publisher?
Thanks, Mike Byrne
1-800-421-3311 (press 4)
>A new book of New York and/or Railroad history has come across
>the desk. It is Pioneer American Railroads: The Mohawk and Hudson
>& The Saratoga and Schenectady by F. Daniel Larkin, professor of
>history at SUNY Oneonta. It is published by Purple Mountain
>Press.
>
>Professor Larkin is also the author of two other New York titles;
>John B. Jervis, American Engineering Pioneer (1990) and New York
>Yesterday and Today (1985).
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My GUESS would be that the papers you own are for the same man, in name, but
they were actually two different men. Your grandfather may have paid someone
to join the army for him the first time and then re-enlisted the second time
to receive some kind of benefits(?). I do know that sometimes men would pay
others to join the service for them, and those two descriptions are certainly
different enough that they were (most likely) two different men.
Good luck!
Joann Lindstrom
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Our 1784 house in the Loyalist part of Eastern Ontario (Glengarry County)
has two large strap hinges on the original main door. They are hand-wrought
iron and punch marked with two stamps:
(1) BERKS
(2) BP
As the year 1784 was the first year of settlement in this part of British
North America and as the builder (Peter Ferguson of the King's Royal
Regiment of New York) was a Mohawk Valley Highlander I have left open the
possibility that these manufactured items may have come from the Bershire
Iron Works during the course of the Revolutionary War. They happen to be
similar to those on Sir William Johnson's powder magazine at Johnson Hall.
Could anyone render an opinion on these markings?
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Williamstown, Ontario, Canada K0C 2J0
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Subject: Freeholders on Albany Co., 1763
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Does anyone know where I can find this list? I have a 1720 list,
which I found in the the Documents Relating to the Colonial History
of NY, but have been unable to track down the 1763 list. I know it
exists, because it was cited several times by Henry Z. Jones in his
books about the Palatines in NY.
Scott Herrington
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P.S. I'd be more than happy to pay the costs to get a copy of this
list!
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Are there any record-linking projects for 18th or early 19th century New York?
Are there any projects for computerizing 18th or early 19th century records?
I know the Federal census indices are available on CD-ROM, but what about state
censuses, tax records, deed books etc.?
And what about New York newspapers? A company near Philadelphia has just releas
ed another 30 years of the Pennsylvania Gazette on CD-ROM -- Full text with
original images -- and it is a real joy to use. Anything similar for our
Empire State?
Robert E. Wright, Ph.D. cand. SUNY Buffalo, Asst. Ed. BDEPL, Temple U.
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The Savannah was launched on August 22, 1818. Her 1819 transatlantic
crossing was the first ocean crossing by a vessel with a steam engine
(although she was actually steaming only a small portion of the voyage).
For full details, see Frank O. Braynard, _S.S.Savannah. The Elegant
Steam Ship_ (1963, repr. 1988)
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The thread on New York railways came to life in reading one of Thoreau's
lesser-known works: _A Yankee in Canada_, in which he reccounts an 1850
journey from Concord, Mass. in the fall of 1850 by rail up to Montreal. His
unexpected observations on the Canadians and his views from the station are
the stuff of both good travel literature and good rail history.
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Dan Larkin's Pioneer American Railroads book is published by
Purple Mountain Press, Box E-3, Fleishmanns, NY 12430. Telephone
(914)254-4062 or (800)325-2665. Don't know the price.
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Where can I find a CD-Rom for the newspaper: Glens Falls Times (and what it
is now called...) Post Star? I am interested in either PC or Mac platform.
Any suggestions will be greatly appreciated...
Stephen Taylor
(510) 444-4291
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So far as I know the Glens Falls papers have never been put on
CD-rom. They are available on microfilm.
Crandall Library in Glens Falls has:
Glens Falls Free Press, 1856-1881
Glens Falls Messinger, 1856-1858; 1890
Glens Falls Morning Star, 1883-1909
Glens Falls Republican, 1855-1885
Glens Falls Post Star, 1909-present
Glens Falls Times, 1890-1970
Warren County Messinger, 1829-1833
They may be available on interlibrary loan.
Not sure what holdings the NY State Library has.
Tom
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Wasn't there a movie made about the first transatlantic steamship crossing?
I don't remember the name, I also don't know how historically accurate it
was. In the movie they had masts, but carried no sails.
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Dear all:
I am working on a study about the social impact of conservation in the
Adirondacks in the late nineteenth and early twentieth century. In
particular, I'm interested in traditional practices--such as hunting or the
cutting of trees--that became, according to the logic of conservation,
crimes: "poaching," or "timber stealing." In my research, I have looked
at a number of official reports produced by the New York Forest
Commission, which have proven most useful. I have also been looking for
things like warden's reports or lawsuits, but have had much less successs
in locating examples of these from the timeperiod I'm considering. I
wanted to ask if anyone out there had any thoughts or suggestions for me.
Many thanks in advance.
Karl Jacoby
Yale University
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From: Scott Herrington <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Sponsors in the Dutch Reformed Church, Colonial NY
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I have looked at a lot of Dutch Reformed Church records of baptism
from the late 1600s to the late 1700s (esp. Kingston, Albany,
Kinderhook and Claverack) and have often wondered how people were
selected as baptismal sponsors. Were they normally close relatives?
Since most children had two sponsors, a male and a female, how
likely is it that these two people were married? Would that be a
reasonable assumption?
Thanks,
Scott Herrington
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That is an interesting question. I will check the records at Shawangunk
Reformed Church to see if it is a pattern. We have records back to 1753..
CPeg@AOL
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Many book stores currently have copies of the 1917 book recently reprinted by
Dover, THE INDIAN CAPTIVITY OF O.M. SPENCER edited by Milo M. Quaife. Oliver
Spencer in this narrative actually refers to and describes the Sanborn tavern
at Canandaigua, which he visited in 1793.
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>From my research I have the impression that baptismal sponsors usually,
but most certainly not always, were in some way related to the
parents. Uncles, aunts, and sometimes even grandparents. Much depended
on whether these relatives were living nearby ofcourse. In the
earlier period, there is evidence that baptismal sponsors were
relatives in Holland, with friends from the neighborhood substituting
for them. See the Correspondence of Jeremias van Rensselaer for this.
In New Amsterdam, there are indications that people with the same
or comparable occupations stood as sponsors for each other's
children. Some people emplyed by the West India Company, such as
Johan de Deckere, were sponsor for other Company employees. In the
case of the Deckere, he was sponsor for the children of Jan Adriaensz.
van Duyvelant, a clerk in the secretary's office. And when a child
of De Deckere was baptized, the sponsors were Cornelis van Ruyven,
the secretary of the province, and Hillegond Megapolensis, his wife,
a daughter of the minister Johannes Megapolensis. Petrus Stuyvesant
even asked the directors in Amsterdam to be sponsors for the baptism of
his son Nicolaes Willem. How this developed later in the 17th and in the
18th century I don't know. I think the assumption that the baptismal the
witnesses were married is reasonable in general, but needs thorough
checking when it comes down to individuals.
Jaap Jacobs
Leiden University
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Most naturalizations occurring in the 19th century occurred at a county
court of some kind in the county where the event occurred. Many such
records have been microfilmed and you can rent such microfilm through
your nearest Family History Center at a Church of Jesus Christ of
Latter-day Saints ("Mormon" church).
>>> <[log in to unmask]> 12/26/95 01:36pm >>>
Could anyone tell me where the naturalization records for someone who
became a citizen in the Albany area and also in the Niagara Falls area
be? The time period in question would be between the 1840s and early
1860s. I really appreciate any help that can be provided.
Bob Weston
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A quick reading of your message indicates that the courtmartial occurred
during his state militia service, and the records, had any survived, would
be in the NY State Archives. There would be no record in the National
Archives if the unit was not in Federal service.
>>> <[log in to unmask]> 12/22/95 05:20pm >>>
I also have been trying to locate the specifics of several courts martial of
one of my ancestors who served in the NY Militia (and later in the
Regular
Army during the War of 1812), but have thus far been unsuccessful. His
Regular Army Service military records in the Nat'l Archives do not contain
any relevant information. If anyone is able to provide an answer to both
Mr.
Eagan's and my questions, I would appreciate it very much.
The two references I have are as follows:
1. 15 Feb 1810 "THE GOVERNOR SUSTAINS THE DECISION OF
ANOTHER
COURT-MARTIAL."
G.O.: Headquarters, Albany, 15th February 1810 The Commander in
Chief having maturely considered the appeal of Capt. GILBERT SEAMAN
of the First
Regiment of the First Brigade of Militia in the City and County of New York
from the sentence of the Court Martial instituted for his trial and the
Brigade orders of 20th Dec'r, 1809, approving in part of the same, cannot
discover any just cause for disapproving of the said Brigade orders, and
directs General Steddiford to cause the same to be carried into
execution.
By order of his Excellency:
Sol. Van Rensselaer, Adj. Genl.
(Ref: State of New York, "Public Papers of Daniel D. Tompkins, Governor
of
New York 1807-1817, Military, Vol. I, pp. 257-8.")
[Note: NY State Archives searched the NY Adjutant General's files for
the court-martial charges against Gilbert, but found the files do not go
back to the years of interest.]
2. 19 Jan 1813 From "Public Papers of Daniel D. Tompkins, 1807-1817,"
Vol.
I,
NY and Albany, 1898, pp. 693-4:
To: Lt. Col. Walter Grieve Subj: As to Courts Martial Dated: Albany,
January 19, 1813. Sir-- Your communication of the 17th December last,
and the order and notice of arrest annexed thereto have been recently
received from the Adjutant General. By referring to the Act of this State
passed
April 2d, 1810, amending the militia law, you will find that the law
contemplates that the officer whose duty it is to order any Court Martial,
for the trial of officers, shall be furnished not only with a notice of arrest,
but also with a copy of the charges on which the arrest is made
(see public laws of 1810, page 58), and by the 73d section of the militia
law of this State, passed 29th March, 1809, it is necessary to make the
arrest and proceedings thereon legal, that the officer arrested be served
with a copy of the charges in writing, signed by the arresting officer
within three days after the arrest. (See public laws of 1809, page 234). I
presume you have complied with the provisions of the last mentioned
act, by having furnished Capt'ns SEAMAN and Tompson within three
days after their arrest, with copies of the charges upon which the
arrests were predicated, and it therefore only remains, that pursuant to
the amendatory law above mentioned, you furnish the Adjutant General
or myself with a copy of those charges, that I may be enabled to judge
wether they will justify a
Court Martial or not. Should they require or warrant it, your request for
the organization of a Court Martial for the trial of said officers shall be
immediately complied with. I am, d't Sir, respectfully, Your Ob't Serv't,
/s/ Daniel D. Tompkins
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Hello,
My sources indicate that the town of Sullivan, Madison Co., was
originally named Bridgeport, but I also know that there is a town of
Bridgeport nearby. Is my source information incorrect? Also, my
ancestry were the original settlers in Sullivan, and I would like to
learn more. What are some good sources for research?
Jim Downer
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The Madison County Historical Society in Oneida, NY is an excellent
place to start your research. They have several printed genealogical
references for the County as well as printed County histories (Country
Roads, and Country Roads Revisited). The address is 435 Main St.,
Oneida, NY 13421; or call (315) 363-4136. The Director's name is Tom
Kernan or ask for Mary King (a volunteer and excellent with genealogy).
Julie Daniels
NYS Archives (former MCHS curator)
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Beth,
Thanks to the info you sent, i was indeed able to track down the site!
Here's the relevant info, 'case yer interested:
New York State Maps: Cartographic Images Created Prior to 1830
By David Yehling Allen
http://www.sunysb.edu/libmap/nymaps.htm
"This file contains a sample of maps from a Kodak Photo CD portfolio
of early maps covering all or part of New York State. The sample images
are medium resolution photos in compressed JPEG format. Click here for
more information about this project.
"The images shown here are selected from a total of 120 images on two
CD-ROMs. All of the images on the CDs show New York State, or some area
within it, and all of the original maps were made prior to 1830. The first
disk is in Kodak Photo CD format, and the second is a Kodak Pro Photo CD.
The original images are in PCD format, and are up to 5 megabytes in size on
the regular Kodak Photo CD, and approximately 72 mb on the Kodak Pro Photo
CD. Therefore, the JPEG images shown here are considerably lower in
resolution
than the original images.
"The original CD-ROMs were created with the assistance of a UUP/SUNY
Professional Development and Quality of Working Life grant. It is the
intention of the compiler to make copies of these CD-ROMs available at cost
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"For more information about this project contact the compiler at
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-thanks so much for clueing me onto that resource, and pass along my
greetings to Jake...
-allen
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I have sent this to other lists, but I thought I should try it here as well,
along with an additional inquiry.
Robert Slayton.
>I am working on a biography of Alfred E. Smith, New York State governor and
>presidential candidate in 1928.
>
>Beyween 1915 and 1917 Smith was Sheriff of New York County. He took the
>job because of money: his previous employment as a New York State
>Assemblyman paid $1,500 a year; as Sheriff his salary included a percentage
>of all fees recovered, and brought in $50-60,000 a year. Following this he
>became President of the Board of Aldermen, City of New York.
>
>There is virtually nothing on Smith during his period as Sheriff (he was
>bored within months), other than newspaper accounts. No records are left
>from the Sheriff's office, and the Bureau of Very Old Records, County of
>New York, could not turn up anything (I spent days with Bruce Abrams). I
>also thought of the daily law journals, and dug up a number of titles, but
>all were either unable to provide back files, not publishing at the time,
>or carried nothing on the Sheriff's office.
>
>My question, therefore, is whether anyone has any ideas on where I might
>find material on Smith's work when he held this office, or his role in New
>York politics during these years.
>
>Robert Slayton
>Department of History
>Chapman University
>Orange, CA
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Note: I am of course aware of the importance of the newspapers in this as
well.
Other question: where was the 1928 Democratic state convention held?
All my thanks,
Bob Slayton
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Dear Jim,
If you are in the NYC area or have a chance to go, probably the best
source for this type of information is the NY public Library (main
research library on 5th Ave and 42d Street), local histry and geneology
room on the third floor. In the alternative start with your local
library, histrical sociaety and county clerk's office.
> Hello,
>
> My sources indicate that the town of Sullivan, Madison Co., was
> originally named Bridgeport, but I also know that there is a town of
> Bridgeport nearby. Is my source information incorrect? Also, my
> ancestry were the original settlers in Sullivan, and I would like to
> learn more. What are some good sources for research?
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Hi Jim,
I live in Chittenango, but I'm really unsure how Bridgeport
was named the town of.....Our town historian is: Carol Greene of
Bridgeport.
Another person I know, and is acitve in the history of the area is:
Richard Sullivan, who maybe able to answer your questions..Address is
Town of Sullivan
7507 Lakeport Rd.
Chittenango, NY 13037
phone 315-633-5344
Sullivan public library 315-687-6331
Bridgeport library 315-633-2253
Town of Sullivan founded in 1803
1990 Census Population: 14,622
Hope this will help, and Please let us know what you find out...
Tom Edwards
Chittenango, NY 13037
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Topics of the day:
1. CDrom of Doc Hist of NY?
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Date: Wed, 10 Jan 1996 10:58:39 EST
From: Jon Butler <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: CDrom of Doc Hist of NY?
Sometime this fall, I thought I spotted a small advertisement in the back
of the NY Review of Books for a CD rom edition of E. B. O'Callahan, ed.
Documentary History of the State of New York (Albany, 1849-1851). If I
remember correctly, the price was $125. Unfortunately, I neglected to copy
the information, but am now interested in it.
Would anyone who has more information about this CD rom be willing to post
it? And, best, might anyone who actually has purchased or used it be
willing to provide a few comments about it?
Jon Butler
American Studies, History, Religious Studies
Yale University
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For each New York State Supreme Court Justice who dies, there is an obituary
which is published in the New York Supplement Reporter. Try a law library at
a law school. Also, the New York Red Book, an official New York State
publication, had bios on Justices.
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Dear Karl,
Hve you contacted the Adirondack Museum in Blue Mountain Lake, NY?
They've got a samll research library and may have somelthing. Also,
I think there's a part of Union College Library in Schenectady, NY
that deals with the Adirondacks, and Feinburg Library in Plattsburgh, NY
also has an Adirondack section. Good luck. Bonnie Davis
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This brief note is in response to Karl Jacoby's request for information relating
to the social impact of conservation measures in the Adirondacks in the late
1800s-early 1900s. I am an Adirondack "native" whose European ancestors settled
in the Adirondacks from the 1760's to the 1790's. One of my grandfathers
related a fairly rich oral history of what hunting and fishing were like for him
as a boy growing up in the Schroon River valley prior to the advent of game
laws. He recalled what it was like when the first game warden entered the area
and related the various tricks he and others used to thwart game wardens. There
was a fair amount of resentment that the state had decided to regulate an area
in which the locals deemed there was no need for regulation.
If the details of the oral history are deemed material to his research,
Mr. Jacoby may contact me directly at my current E-Mail address until the end of
January. Effective as soon as possible, I will be switching Internet Service
Providers because my current provider seems to have become over-subscribed.
Thus I will have a new address NLT Feb 1st.
Brian Turner, Ph.D., J.D.
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Ancestor Levi MORLEY served as sergeant in Captain Wm Pennock's Co, Davis
Reg't of NY Militia in War of 1812 from June 29-July 10, 1812. He was living
around York, Genessee County (now Livingston County) at the time with his
father Ezekiel. We have muster and payroll records from the National
Archives and have written for pension and bounty land records but none are
available. BUT, a notation in someone else's research papers list a pension
number of 840497 and 882666 for Levi. If federal records have no such
number, did the state of NY offer bounty land for veterans of War of 1812?
Were there any benefits for this war period? Levi moved to Ohio shortly
after the war..could NY have been giving land away in Ohio (Trumball County
area)?
Finally, Where could I find more information on Pennock's Company of the
Davis Reg't of the NY Militia? Thank so ever much...............Verna
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A few weeks ago, I promised Patrick Peterson and a few
others that I would post a short bibliography on Mohawk
Valley industrial history (broadly defined to include the social and
cultural history of industrialization). It turned out to be a more involved
project than I had anticipated -- particularly since I could not
locate some my files on unpublished disserations, Little Falls, the
Oneida Community and Oneida Silver, Cohoes, N.Y. Mills (just
outside of Utica), Utica, and Beech Nut (Canajoharie). Nonetheless, since
I promised, here is a partial and yet-to-be fully developed list. If anybody out there
wishes to join in on this project by volunteering specific works in
industrial/economic history of the region, please send them to me or
the list. I'll incorporate them into a future, more comprehensive
listing. Thanks.
Gerald Zahavi, Dept. of History, Univ at Albany
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Industrial/Economic History Bibliography on the Mohawk Valley
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AMSTERDAM (carpet industry):
Levine, Susan. Their own sphere : women's work, the knights of labor and the
transformation of the carpet trade, 1870-1890. Ph.d. dissertation, City College, 1979.
Levine, Susan, Labor's True Woman. Philadelphia : Temple University
Press, 1984. [the published version of the above dissertation]
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GLOVERSVILLE/JOHNSTOWN (leather and glove industries):
Washington Frothingham, History of Fulton County. Syracuse: D. Mason & Co., 1892).
Daniel Walter Redmond, Leather Glove Industry in the United States. New York, 1913.
Gloversville Board of Trade, The Industrial Advantages of Gloversville, N.Y.
Together with an Account of Her Material Development and Progress and a Series of Comprehensive
Sketches of Her Representative Business Eneterprises Gloversville, N.Y.: Gloversville Board of
Trade, 1890).
Donald Vosburgh, Gloversville, N.Y.: A Community Study of Industrial Transition and
Social Change. Ph.D. dissertation, Syracuse University, 1958.
Herbert Engel, Shtetl in the Adirondacks: The Story of Gloversville
and Its Jews. Felischmann's, N.Y.: Purple Mountain Press, 1992. Excellent accounts of the
glove industry of Gloversville, drawing on the N.Y.S. mediation bureau records available at
the ILR school at Cornell University (I'm editing these for publication).
Gerald Zahavi, "Fighting Left-Wing Unionism: Voices from the Opposition to the
IFLWU in Fulton County, New York," in Steven Rosswurm, ed., The CIO's Left-Led Unions
(a Volume in the Class and Culture Series, Milton Cantor and Bruce Laurie, series editors).
Rutgers University Press, 1992. [Oral history of opposition movement to the left-wing
International Fur and Leather Workers during the Cold War era]
Gerald Zahavi, "Communism is No Bug-A-Boo": Communism and Left-Wing
Unionism in Fulton County, New York, 1933-1950." Labor History 33 (Spring, 1992)
[On the communist led IFLWU union in Gloversville/Johnstown]
See relevant sections (focusing on Fulton County homeworkers) of Eileen Boris, Home to
Work: Motherhood and the Politics of Industrial Homework in the United States. New York:
Cambridge University Press, 1994.
Susan L. McCormick, Women in the Glove Indusry: Homework in Fulton County,
New York. Unpublished oral documentary script, SUNY-Albany, Dept. of
History, 1995. (Oral documentary script draft, unpublished final oral history project for my class in
oral history -- will be the basis of a video documentary)
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ROME (cheesemaking, brass and copper industry, cable, lumber, RR, military defense;
much of the below bibligraphy is taken from Frank Balduzzi's Narrative History of Rome,
Rome History Society, 1995, which I consulted on)
Frederick Van de Water Grey Riders. New York: G. P. Putnam's Sons, 1922 (chapter 17 is
on the gerneral strike of 1919 in Rome).
The American Italian Heritage Association. Italian American Heritage Rome, New York
New Hartford, NY: The Gallery Associated Enterprise, 1992.
Cross, Whitney R. The Burned-Over District, Ithaca, NY: Cornell University Press, 1950.
Drago, Harry S. Canal Days in America New York: Clarkson N. Potter, Inc., 1972.
Fitzgerald, John R. The New Erie Canal. Quest Press, 1993.
Hill, Waylend. The Waterways and Canal Construction in New York State Buffalo, New York:
Buffalo Historical Society, 1908.
The History of Oneida County, Oneida County New York, 1977.
Lake, Robert M. The Industrial Development of Rome , New York: Rome Historical Society, 1969
O'Donnell, Thomas C. Birth of a River. Boonville, New York: Black River Books, 1952.
O'Donnell, Thomas C. The River Rolls On. Prospect, New York: Prospect Books, 1959.
Rome Historical Society. No Place Like Rome 1987
Rome Historical Society. Rome New York Centennial History 1870-1970 Rome, New York:
Rome Historical Society, 1970.
Rome Historical Society. Unpublished materials. (Vertical Files, Archives, Exhibit Folders, Essays).
Rome Historical Society & Lake, Robert M. Cheddarland USA, 1986.
Rome Historical Society, Narrative History of Rome, 1995.
Ryan, Mary P. Cradle of the Middle Class, The Family in Oneida Co.,
1790-1865 New York: Cambridge University Press, 1981.
Scott, John A. Rome, New York: A Short History Rome, New York: Rome Historical
Society, 1983.
Shaw, Ronald E. Erie Water West (Lexington, Kentuck: University of Kentucky Press, 1966)
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SCHENECTADY (electrical, locomotive industries):
David Hill, "The Lure of 'One Big Union': The IWW In Schenectady, N.Y., 1905-1906,"
(Unpublished research paper, Dept. of History, S.U.N.Y. at Albany, 1993),
Robert R. Pascucci's "Electric City Immigrants: Italians and Poles of Schenectady, N.Y., 1880-1930,"
(Ph.D. diss., S.U.N.Y. at Albany, 1984);
Charles M. Ripley, LIFE IN A LARGE MANUFACTURING PLANT (Schenectady:
GE, 1919)
Julius Emspak, "The Reminiscences of Julius Emspak," 1972, (microfiche), Columbia University
Oral History Collection (Columbia University, New York),
Anonymous, "General Electric's Century: A History of General Electric from its Origins to 1986,"
(Unpublished mss., 1989, Special Collections and Archives, University Libraries, S.U.N.Y. at Albany,
Albany, N.Y.; also available at Union College in Schenectady).
Salvatore Joseph Bella, "Boulwarism and Collective Bargaining at General Electric," (Ph.D. diss., Cornell
University, 1962), ch. 4.
Joseph A. McCartin, "Labor's 'Great War:' American Workers, Unions, and the State, 1916-1920,"
(Ph.D. diss. S.U.N.Y. at Binghamton, 1990), ch. 5;
Fred Thompson, "Digging into IWW History: The Schenectady Sit-Down," Industrial
Worker (August 1975).
Gerald Zahavi, "Passionate Commitments: Race, Sex, and Communism at Schenectady
General Electric, 1932-1954." Article currently under revision for the Journal of American History.
ALCO (American Locomotive Company) Papers, 1872-1969. 70 Boxes. at Syracuse University Library.
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TROY/COHOES (textiles, collar industry, iron)
Carole Turbin, Working Women in Collar City: Gender, Class, and Community in Troy, 1864-86.
Urbana, Illinois: University of Illinois Press, 1992.
Daniel J. Walkowitz, Worker City, Company Town: Iron and Cotton-Worker Protest in
Troy and Cohoes, New York, 1855-84. Urbana, Illinois: University of Illinois Press, 1978.
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UTICA (misc.)
Eleanor Hassett,FOCUS ON THE FIFTIES UTICA AND VICINITY, 1950-1962.Utica, NY :
North Country Books, 1995.
B. F. Isherwood, MECHANICAL WORKS ON THE UTICA AND SYRACUSE
RAILROAD. ([n.p., 1843]
Briggs, John Walker, 1937- AN ITALIAN PASSAGE : (New Haven : Yale
University Press, 1978.)
New York (State) Dept. of Labor. Division of Industrial Relations, Women in Industry
and Minimum Wage. WOMEN WHO WORK IN UTICA [MICROFORM]; (1947.)
New York (State). Bureau of Urban Affairs. INDUSTRIAL RENEWAL,
(New York, State of New York, Division of Housing and Community Renewal, 1963.)
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MISC.
Nelson Greene, THE STORY OF OLD FORT PLAIN AND THE MIDDLE
MOHAWK VALLEY (WITH FIVE MAPS). Fort Plain, N.Y.: O'Connor brothers,
1915.
DIRECTORY OF BUSINESS AND INDUSTRY OF THE UPPER MOHAWK
VALLEY; ([Utica, N.Y.] Published by the Mohawk Valley Council for Economic
Develolopment and the Utica College Research Center [1958])
On lumber industry in Southern Adirondacks (the northern border of the Mohawk Valley)
see Barbara McMartin, The great forest of the Adirondacks .Utica, N.Y. : North Country
Books, 1994.
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Prof. Gerald Zahavi
Dept. of History, Ten Broeck 105
University at Albany - SUNY
1400 Washington Ave.
Albany, N.Y. 12222
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Please note that the Mary Ryan book in by bibliography on the
economic history of the Mohawk Valley should have gone under the
Utica section, NOT the Rome section. Thanks. Gerry Zahavi.
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>Jon Butler inquired:
>Sometime this fall, I thought I spotted a small advertisement in the back
>of the NY Review of Books for a CD rom edition of E. B. O'Callahan, ed.
>Documentary History of the State of New York (Albany, 1849-1851).
>
>Would anyone who has more information about this CD rom be willing to post
>it?
I purchased the Doc Hist CDROM last summer from Hope Farm Press, in
Saugerties, NY, (http://www1.mhv.net/~hopefarm) by telephone order. I
received the CDROM in a couple of days and have been pleased with it.
All four volumes of this work are included, along with ADOBE Acrobat
software for use under Windows. I believe it may also be used on a Mac.
If you are interested in a listing of the chapter headings of the works,
send me an e-mail and I'll send that detail to you. The books were
scanned from an original copy (oxymoron?) and are stored as images on the
CDROM. So, the pages you view look like the real book. They are not
transcribed into text files which you can manipulate with other programs.
You can print pages from the CDROM, if you wish.
My only disappointment with the work is that since it is in image form,
and not ASCII text, I cannot do a search through the book for a keyword.
The indices of the books are included, so you CAN locate indexed items,
though. A couple of the 4000 or so pages were badly skewed when they
were scanned, but they turned out not to be important to me.
It IS GREAT, though, to have my own personal copy of these transcriptions
of original historical documents without having to run down to the public
library to read the books on their terms.
George Peek
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The Conservation Center for Art and Historic Artifacts is offering a
one-day workshop "Instituting a Conservation Environment Monitoring
Program" in Trenton, NJ on Monday, March 11, 1996.
THe workshop is intended for library, archives, house museum and museum
professionals, as well as for architects, engineers, and staff involved
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Dear Person in charge,
I'm really surprised after so much recent activity on this news letter that
it was "silent" for the last two days. Am I still on the list? Please
confirm.
What group sponsors the newsletter? It's a wonderful idea. NJ should do
the same. In fact all the states should do it. It's very educational. I's
like to know who the sponsor is so I can explain the workings to the powers
that be in NJ.
Thank you,
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I am searching for biographical background on J.H. French, compiler of
the State Gazetteer published in 1860 at Syracuse. The library card
catalogue gives his dates as 1824 to 1888, and his full name as John Homer
French. Another source says he is listed in the 1859 Syracuse directory as a
lithographer. I have confirmed none of this, and the index to obituaries in
the New York Times does not include him.
The only item I have found is a record of the marriage of a John Homer
French to Ellen Maria Baxter on September 22, 1857, at Barton, Orleans Co.,
Vt.
Can anyone provide additional details or confirm any of the above
information? Is there any single source for a short biography of J.H.
French? An obituary from 1888?
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I am relativly new to this list (signed up ~10 min ago) so please understand
if my questions are misdirected.
I am a High school freshman doing a history project on the incident
at Love Canal. Information on the Internet is scarce, and I was wondering if
anyone could direct me to or provide me with information about the entire
issue of Love Canal.
Thanks,
...Eric Jonas
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From: [log in to unmask] (Sharon Van Tyne)
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I recently came across a copy of "In Olde New York" by Charles Burr Tod,
Grafton Press, NY, 1907. In it there was a brief description of the New
York City Marble Cemetery located on 2nd St between 1st and 2nd Avenue. It
said it contained 258 vaults and among the principal monuments and slabs
were some containing the names of Vantine and Bogardus.
Can someone tell me which Vantine and Bogardus individuals are buried there?
Also I'd appreciate hearing more about the history of that cemetery. Is it
still there?
Sharon Van Tyne
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Researching the following main surnames:
Aaron - Allphin - Boyer - Burton - Childress - Cole - Conklin - Day - King -
Mallernee - Manning - Nelson - Sawyer - Thompson - Van Tyne (Vantine)
Others:
Albritton - Bogardus - Boggs - Cook - Culbertson - Dorrah - File - Fonteyn -
Lyttaker - McCollum - McDowell - Mount - Park - Phillips - Taylor - Weathersby
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
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Re: J.H. French, there is a work in the State Library entitled:
In Memoriam, John Homer French, Born July 7, 1824, Died December
23, 1888.
The book is a typical "in memoriam" work of the 19th century in that it
has many short memories in flowery prose of the deceased. However, one
can pick up bits and pieces of biographical info. from it by reading it.
It is somewhat brittle and loose in its binding, so we do not want to
send it on interlibrary loan; but you can read it in the Library or
perhaps find a copy closer to home. He was born in Batavia. French had a
daughter, Clara French, died October 6, 1888, only two months before his own death and,
undoubtedly, his grief contributed to his death. A brief scan of the
book indicates that French's chief contribution was to the state's
educational system, because of his work with Teacher's Institutes. There
is also some mention of his map/gazetteer work in the book.
Hope this is helpful.
Jim Corsaro
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On Sat, 20 Jan 1996 [log in to unmask] wrote:
> I am searching for biographical background on J.H. French, compiler of
> the State Gazetteer published in 1860 at Syracuse. The library card
> catalogue gives his dates as 1824 to 1888, and his full name as John Homer
> French. Another source says he is listed in the 1859 Syracuse directory as a
> lithographer. I have confirmed none of this, and the index to obituaries in
> the New York Times does not include him.
> The only item I have found is a record of the marriage of a John Homer
> French to Ellen Maria Baxter on September 22, 1857, at Barton, Orleans Co.,
> Vt.
> Can anyone provide additional details or confirm any of the above
> information? Is there any single source for a short biography of J.H.
> French? An obituary from 1888?
>
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From: Beverly Vander Kooy <[log in to unmask]>
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You don't say where you are from, however, there is more material on Love
Canal that you would want to read. If you are in New York State there is
a lot of information in U.S. and NYS documents.
However, for a good overall view:
Levine, Adeline. Love Canal : science, politics, and people.
Lexington, Mass. : Lexington Books, c1982.
I would think that a library in your area would have it. Love Canal settlement
is still going on.
Good luck.
Beverly Vander Kooy
University at Buffalo
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Editorial mumblings;
1. Yes, Jim, you are still on the list.
2. You asked what group sponsors this list - the answer is the
New York State Archives in Albany. The Archives has a completely
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To the list:
The bibliography which Gerry Zahavi disseminated is a useful tool for anyone
researching the above topic. Although Troy, New York is a Hudson River
town, rather than a Mohawk valley town, I have a few titles to add.
The two books (Turbin and Walkowitz) listed by Gerry are probably the two
best scholarly works on Troy, but, unfortunately, both are limited in their
time periods to the latter part of the 19th century and do not deal with
the many changes which occurred in the 20th century in Troy's economy. No
scholarly book exists about the entire industrial history of Troy. The
city as one of the earliest industrial cities in the state, one of the
most important in terms of the labor movement and as an important example
of the changes caused by deindustrialization, deserves one. Some other
works, both old and new, which are helpful in researching Troy's economic
and labor history are (in no particular order):
Weise, Arthur J., History of the City of Troy, Troy, 1876.
Same, Troy's One Hundred Years, 1789-1889, Troy, 1891
Hayner, Rutherford, Troy and Rensselaer County, NY, A History,
New York, 1925
Mendel, Mesick, Cohen..., Burden Iron Company Office Building: A
Historic Structure Report, 1976
Breiner, Charles, A study of the Troy Collars Starchers Union in
the early 20th Century, (a graduate thesis), Albany, 1991
Phelan, Thomas, The Hudson-Mohawk Gateway: An Illustrated
History, Northridge, CA, 1985
Corsaro, James and Kathleen Roe, Hudson-Mohawk Urban Cultural
Park American Labor Studies Center Feasibility Study Report, Troy, 1988.
I hope that this is helpful to the list.
Jim Corsaro
James Corsaro
Associate Librarian
Manuscripts and Special Collections
New York State Library
Empire State Plaza
Albany, New York 12230
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From: Chilton <[log in to unmask]>
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Thinking that my response to Sharon Van Tyne's recent
request for information about New York's Marble Cemetery
might be of interest to others on the NYHIST-L as well,
I've posted it accordingly.
There are actually two Marble Cemeteries in New York
City.
The first, The New York City Marble Cemetery, which is
located at 41 1/2 Second Avenue between second and Third
Streets was established in 1830. It was known almost from the
start as "God's Little Half Acre". Though now in pretty sad
condition, forty years ago it was described as having a "lush
green lawn without break.
The other, the New York Marble Cemetery - the word"City"
being dropped out - is located on Second Street between First
and Second Avenue's and was was established in 1832. It is
about twice the size of the older one.
While both are the final resting places for the famous
and well to do of the City - President James Monroe was
originally intered in the larger cemetery - They are located
in the Bowery section of the City. For over a hundred years
the Bowery has been a seedy sort of place with a bad
reputation. The term "Bowery bum" is an epithet of long
standing. How then, did New York City's best families come to
form syndicates to build cemetery's there? Simple, in the
late 1820's the Bowery, originally the site of Peter
Styvesant's estate and mansion, was predicted to be the future
fashionable street in New York. As we all know, it turned out
that Park Avenue won that distinction and the Bowery sort of
went to seed.
A copy of the records of those intered at the New York
City Marble Cemetery is in the holdings of the New York
Genealogical and Biographical Society located at 122 E. 58th Street
New Yorik, NY 10022. Tel. (212) 755-8532.
About three years ago, I borrowed the records of the New
York Marble Cemetery from its trustee, who lives in
Pennsylvania, and arranged to have the Genealogical Society
of Utah photograph them so that they would be available on
microfilm. Those interested can arrange to view this
microfilm, #1862779, at any LDS Family History Center
On a personal note: I have found that a number of my
family line are intered in one of the Marble Cemetery's.
It wasn't an easy search, but it was most rewarding.
Good Luck.
Bruce Chilton
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To the list:
(If this is the second time which this item shows up on the list, please
excuse me. I could not tell whether it made it to the list the first time
since my e-mail did not state whether the mail was sent. Sorry!)
The bibliography which Gerry Zahavi disseminated is a useful tool for anyone
researching the above topic. Although Troy, New York is a Hudson River
town, rather than a Mohawk valley town, I have a few titles to add.
The two books (Turbin and Walkowitz) listed by Gerry are probably the two
best scholarly works on Troy, but, unfortunately, both are limited in their
time periods to the latter part of the 19th century and do not deal with
the many changes which occurred in the 20th century in Troy's economy. No
scholarly book exists about the entire industrial history of Troy. The
city as one of the earliest industrial cities in the state, one of the
most important in terms of the labor movement and as an important example
of the changes caused by deindustrialization, deserves one. Some other
works, both old and new, which are helpful in researching Troy's economic
and labor history are (in no particular order):
Weise, Arthur J., History of the City of Troy, Troy, 1876.
Same, Troy's One Hundred Years, 1789-1889, Troy, 1891
Hayner, Rutherford, Troy and Rensselaer County, NY, A History,
New York, 1925
Mendel, Mesick, Cohen..., Burden Iron Company Office Building: A
Historic Structure Report, 1976
Breiner, Charles, A study of the Troy Collars Starchers Union in
the early 20th Century, (a graduate thesis), Albany, 1991
Phelan, Thomas, The Hudson-Mohawk Gateway: An Illustrated
History, Northridge, CA, 1985
Corsaro, James and Kathleen Roe, Hudson-Mohawk Urban Cultural
Park American Labor Studies Center Feasibility Study Report, Troy, 1988.
I hope that this is helpful to the list.
Jim Corsaro
James Corsaro
Associate Librarian
Manuscripts and Special Collections
New York State Library
Empire State Plaza
Albany, New York 12230
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(518) 474-5963
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From: Janet Butler Munch <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: NYC Marble Cemetery - Need Info
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Frank Kelley's Historical Guide to the City of New York (1909) discusses the Ma
rble Cemetery on p. 92. Actually there are two listings. The New York Marble
Cemetery (listed as gate at 41 1/2 Second Avenue) was established in 183
0 and was "almost forgotten" by the publication of Kelly's book. It had vaults
of the Judson, Lorillard,Grosvenor, Oates, Holland, Wyckoff and Bloodgood famil
ies and 1,500 burials. Kelly notes that it is hoped that this old cemetery may
be converted into a playground. The next listing is for New York City Marbl
e Cemetery at Second Street, east of Second Avenue. It was incorporated in 183
2. Here were buried James Lenox, two Dutch dominies and "for a time" the remai
ns of John Ericsson, President Monroe and Mrs. Paran Stevens. Kelly pin points
locations with a map on page 90.
Another source Photographic Views of NYC (photos held at NYPL) notes that the
cemetery was visible in 1937. See also a NYT article 5/23/93 Sect.1 p.32.
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Date: Mon, 22 Jan 1996 15:35:49 -0500
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From: [log in to unmask] (Dick Hillenbrand)
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> I am searching for biographical background on J.H. French, compiler of
>the State Gazetteer published in 1860 at Syracuse. The library card
>catalogue gives his dates as 1824 to 1888, and his full name as John Homer
>French. Another source says he is listed in the 1859 Syracuse directory as a
>lithographer. I have confirmed none of this, and the index to obituaries in
>the New York Times does not include him.
> The only item I have found is a record of the marriage of a John Homer
>French to Ellen Maria Baxter on September 22, 1857, at Barton, Orleans Co.,
>Vt.
> Can anyone provide additional details or confirm any of the above
>information? Is there any single source for a short biography of J.H.
>French? An obituary from 1888?
>
>I have a large Syracuse and Onondaga Co. history collection and took a
quick look, to no avail. However, J.H. FRENCH was greatly respected by Dick
Wright, the late Director/President of the Onondaga Historical Association
and I greatly suspect that they have a bio file on him.
Send a few bucks to them and ask for a copy of the file. There should be
published articles, newspaper clippings and possibly a genealogy.
The Onondaga Historical Association
311 Montgomery Street
Syracuse, NY 13202-2098
Good luck
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Bill
Actually I did send in a question (rather specific now that I think
about it) and it got bounced back to me. My mailbox is not full. But for
some reason I can't get through to the list, only to you: so my question
is
Does anyone know anything about the Craig Colony which, according
to Arthur Bestor in Backwoods Upotias replaced the Shakers when they
removed themselves from Groveland.
I have checked the two Livingston County nineteenth century
histories and also the WPA guide which is often helpful but have come up
with nothing. Perhaps someone knows something about this. If so, I would
be most appreciative. My e-mail address is [log in to unmask]
Thanks for posting this,
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There is an awful lot about geneaology on the list, which I don't mind but
am really not into. Actually, a lot of the stuff is very interesting and I
save much of it for future reference. I haven't mentioned this book before,
but there is a book called 'Clear Pond' which was fascinating to me and
deals largely with geneaology. It's about New York and the Adirondacks. The
author, whose name I can't remember, was a native of Saranac Lake who was a
college professor and poet. He was in the Adirondacks reading about the
history of the Iron Works at Tahawus, when he did something that warms the
cockles of my heart, whatever they may be.
He saw an obscure reference to a man named, I think, Israel Johnson, who had
a home on a place called Clear Pond, which was on the road from Port Henry to
Tahawus. This obscure reference fascinated him, and he spent a lot of time
and effort in reconstructing the story of Johnson's life. The book almost
serves I would think as a primer on doing genealogical research and is also
filled with Adirondack, New York, and other history. This was dear to me
because the author did this search for no apparent reason known to him. One
of the things he discusses in the book for example is NY's system of town
historians. And there is plenty about looking up old war records, death
records, and the like. If you can find it and have the time, I would
recommend it.
Daniel Martin
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Eric:
The source material for scholars and attorneys relevant to
the Love Canal is in the holdings of both the Government
Documents Section of the NY State Library and of the State
Archives.
It is voluminous and you probably don't want to make a trip here
from Idaho to use it. There are also many other primary sources.
Use the State Archives gopher at the following
gopher to gopher.sara.nysed.gov
Also web home page at
URL:http://www.sara.nysed.gov
more info at : [log in to unmask]
Some secondary library sources are;
Schlager,ed. WHEN TECHNOLOGY FAILS, 1994, Gale
Fowlkes; LOVE CANAL, 1982, FEMA
Levine, LOVE CANAL, 1982, Lexington Books
This should get you started.
Bill Evans, NYSARA
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CK; that one got posted with no trouble.
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Clear Pond: The Reconstruction of a Life was written by Roger
Mitchell, and published by Syracuse University Press in 1991. It is a
lovely book.
carol Kammen
>There is an awful lot about geneaology on the list, which I don't mind but
>am really not into. Actually, a lot of the stuff is very interesting and I
>save much of it for future reference. I haven't mentioned this book before,
>but there is a book called 'Clear Pond' which was fascinating to me and
>deals largely with geneaology. It's about New York and the Adirondacks. The
>author, whose name I can't remember, was a native of Saranac Lake who was a
>college professor and poet. He was in the Adirondacks reading about the
>history of the Iron Works at Tahawus, when he did something that warms the
>cockles of my heart, whatever they may be.
>
>He saw an obscure reference to a man named, I think, Israel Johnson, who had
>a home on a place called Clear Pond, which was on the road from Port Henry to
>Tahawus. This obscure reference fascinated him, and he spent a lot of time
>and effort in reconstructing the story of Johnson's life. The book almost
>serves I would think as a primer on doing genealogical research and is also
>filled with Adirondack, New York, and other history. This was dear to me
>because the author did this search for no apparent reason known to him. One
>of the things he discusses in the book for example is NY's system of town
>historians. And there is plenty about looking up old war records, death
>records, and the like. If you can find it and have the time, I would
>recommend it.
>
>Daniel Martin
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Carol:
I think that the State Archives has quite a cache of records of
the Craig Colony (later the Craig Developmental Center?). I can remember
at least one researcher who spent a good deal of time going thru. those
records. Ask Bill Evans or Jim Folts about the records. There is probably
an agency history which goes with the records.
Good luck.
Jim
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On Mon, 22 Jan 1996, carol kammen wrote:
> Bill
> Actually I did send in a question (rather specific now that I think
> about it) and it got bounced back to me. My mailbox is not full. But for
> some reason I can't get through to the list, only to you: so my question
> is
>
> Does anyone know anything about the Craig Colony which, according
> to Arthur Bestor in Backwoods Upotias replaced the Shakers when they
> removed themselves from Groveland.
> I have checked the two Livingston County nineteenth century
> histories and also the WPA guide which is often helpful but have come up
> with nothing. Perhaps someone knows something about this. If so, I would
> be most appreciative. My e-mail address is [log in to unmask]
>
> Thanks for posting this,
> carol
>
>
>
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The author's name is Roger Mitchell and, yes, Clear Pond, is a really
wonderful book. I think Mitchell teaches literature at a university in
Indiana, if my memory serves me.
Jim
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On Mon, 22 Jan 1996, Dan Martin wrote:
> There is an awful lot about geneaology on the list, which I don't mind but
> am really not into. Actually, a lot of the stuff is very interesting and I
> save much of it for future reference. I haven't mentioned this book before,
> but there is a book called 'Clear Pond' which was fascinating to me and
> deals largely with geneaology. It's about New York and the Adirondacks. The
> author, whose name I can't remember, was a native of Saranac Lake who was a
> college professor and poet. He was in the Adirondacks reading about the
> history of the Iron Works at Tahawus, when he did something that warms the
> cockles of my heart, whatever they may be.
>
> He saw an obscure reference to a man named, I think, Israel Johnson, who had
> a home on a place called Clear Pond, which was on the road from Port Henry to
> Tahawus. This obscure reference fascinated him, and he spent a lot of time
> and effort in reconstructing the story of Johnson's life. The book almost
> serves I would think as a primer on doing genealogical research and is also
> filled with Adirondack, New York, and other history. This was dear to me
> because the author did this search for no apparent reason known to him. One
> of the things he discusses in the book for example is NY's system of town
> historians. And there is plenty about looking up old war records, death
> records, and the like. If you can find it and have the time, I would
> recommend it.
>
> Daniel Martin
>
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I remember Craig Colony being there before the arrival of the prison. My
mother knew some of the workers. What do you need? [log in to unmask]
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You can try the Niagara Gazette . There is a book by Brown, who had been
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The archivist at the Onondaga Historical Association, Edward Lyon,
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>I remember Craig Colony being there before the arrival of the prison. My
>mother knew some of the workers. What do you need? [log in to unmask]
I know nothing about the colony: when it started (I assume after the
Shakers left) and what sort of colony it was. How long it lasted? I am
very grateful for whatever leads you can toss out. with appreciation,
carol kammen
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CK re: Craig Colony for Epileptics
Is first institution for epileptics in NYS. 1894. 1st patients
1896. Utilized buildings of abandoned Shaker colony at Sonyea in
Livingston Co. Named for Oscar Craig, president of the State
Board of Charities. Became world famous as foremost institution
for epileptics. Modeled after Bethel Colony for Epileptics in
Bielefel, Germany. Prior to Craig Colony, epileptics generally
confined to lunatic asylums.
State archives holds;
*Patient Case files
*Photos
*Monthly Reports of managers
*Correspondence
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To Bill Bevans:
I had an Aunt with epilepsy who was a patient at Craig Colony. I would
not like to think that patient case files and letters were open to the
public at large to view at will. This would be offensive.
Doesn't the NYS Privacy Act cover this material?
Beverly Vander Kooy
University at Buffalo
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Try writing to my mother:
Mrs. Dorothy Buell
Spring Creek Apartments
Dansville, New York You will have to check the zip code.
She can send you to people who worked there.
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I'm interested in information on Washington Co. I publish a quarterly
newsletter on Wash. Co. called "Sleeper News." It is primarily genealogical
information but I like to throw in some historical articles periodically too
so my readers can learn a little more about the history and not just be
focused on the particular family information. I keep whatever info I get on
file and usually end up using it at some point.
Along with the newsletter, I do books on Wash. Co. I do abstracts of
deeds, guardianship papers, church records, etc. I also specialize in
re-prints of out of print Wash. Co. books--town histories, county histories,
etc. If anyone is interested in more info on my book list or newsletter, send
me a message!
Laura Hulslander
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If you have access to CompuServe, you could search back issues of the
Buffalo News for articles about the incident. You can also contact
the Love Canal Redevelopment Agency - I am not sure what its exact
name is, but if you call information at 1-716-555-1212, which is the
information operator, and ask for a number in Niagara Falls, New York,
for the Love Canal Redevelopment Agency, and then say "I,m not sure
its called that, but close to that", you will probably get the right
telephone number. Then you could call them and they will probably
send you some good information. Good luck with your project.
Dave Nutter
David G. Nutter Rochester, NY
Nutter Associates Inc. Tel 1-716-271-7940
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Your concerns are understood.
All medical records in the State Archives on conscientiously
maintained under the personal privacy protection law.
Bill Evans
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Ms. Hulsander:
Yes, we would like to have a list of your books. You should come
by the State Library sometime to check what manuscript materials we have
about Washington County; we have quite a bit.
Jim Corsaro
James Corsaro
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> I'm interested in information on Washington Co. I publish a quarterly
> newsletter on Wash. Co. called "Sleeper News." It is primarily genealogical
> information but I like to throw in some historical articles periodically too
> so my readers can learn a little more about the history and not just be
> focused on the particular family information. I keep whatever info I get on
> file and usually end up using it at some point.
> Along with the newsletter, I do books on Wash. Co. I do abstracts of
> deeds, guardianship papers, church records, etc. I also specialize in
> re-prints of out of print Wash. Co. books--town histories, county histories,
> etc. If anyone is interested in more info on my book list or newsletter, send
> me a message!
> Laura Hulslander
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Can anyone help me find out if any newspaper was published circa 1805
which would have covered to Parrish, Oneida Co, NY area, and where
It might be found??
Thanks
Steve Beckwith
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I am fascinated to see so many people with Irish surnames (including Ryans,
Fitzgeralds, Lynchs) in Colonial NY in the early 1700s. In particular, I have
come across several who lived in Kinderhook, a Dutch settlement in the Upper
Hudson Valley. These Irish people seem to have intermarried with the local
Dutch population, attended the Dutch Reformed Church, and probably had to
speak Dutch to communicate.
Does anyone know of any research on this group? I wonder how and why they
ended up in that area, to what degree they were assimilated into the Dutch
culture, whether they were second-class citizens, etc. Any references or
information you have would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks,
Scott Herrington
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Many of us, in the course of our research, have had an opportunity to
study objects in the collections of other museums or archives. Often
our time is limited and it is frustrating to try and capture all the
details of the item for later reference in the time we have. If only
there were some way to borrow the items for study back home.
For 2-D materials we can make photocopies, order photostats, or
sometimes take our own detailed photographs on the spot. But for 3-D
items, particularly very small ones such as coins and military
buttons, photographs end up a very poor substitute for
firsthand inspection.
I have used a simple and inexpensive technique for years to, in
essence, take the artifact as a three-dimensional piece home with me
and examine it in as much detail as I could in person in the comfort
of my own home. I have used this technique to particular benefit with
embossed seals, such as those created in wax on deeds and wills or in
paper over wax on early stock certificates.
You will need a standard 35mm camera with a threaded lens that allows
you to screw on filters. You can use any type of print film, but I
have found using color print film with an ASA of 400 permits me to
shoot with a lower level light source; sometimes of importance to
collections managers and librarians.
You will need a set of what are generally called "close-up filters"
which are thin, screw-on filters that magnify. These usually come in
packs of three, with magnifications of +1, +2 and +4. They cost about
$25 and are well worth it, and in various combinations can allow you
to get within an inch or two of your material. I recommend using
these, instead of a close-up lens, as there is more flexibility in
setting up the magnification, and they are less expensive.
You will also need a small, portable light source, such as a "high
intensity" lamp or strong mini-flashlight. It is best to also carry a
light extension cord, since many libraries and museums will not have
an outlet near your work area.
When you have your item selected, remove all cases and dangling items
from your camera and attach the fliter or combination of filters that
allows you to focus on the object at the distance [size] you want;
the closer the better.
Set up the light source to one side and as low to the table as you
can, to produce a raking light across the object, thus highlighting
the microtopography and emphasizing the relief by casting shadows
beside the deatils, which with a more overhead light source cannot be
seen clearly. You may want to rotate the object or move the light
source until the relief you see is what you want; or take several
shots from several different positions of the light.
With the shutter speed and lens opening set [and if you are very
close to the object you may want to bracket it] set the focus with
the lens about the right distance from the object and then leave it
alone; do not set it again. With both hands firmly on the camera, and
bracing it with your elbows on the table, position the lens toward
the right as far as you can and still keep the image in the
viewfinder. Point the camera slightly toward the object if
necessary.
Slowly lower the camera toward the object until it is in focus and
shoot.
Then, without moving your elbows, advance the film and move the
camera to the left hand side of the shot. Again, without changing the
focus, move toward the object until it is in focus, and shoot. The
no-focus technique insures that your lens is the same distance from
the object in both shots, and that the images are the same scale.
Repeat this as needed, moving the light source, bracketing the
expsoures.
When you get the prints back, match up [using the negative strip] the
pairs, which are, in fact, stereo pairs, just like the stereo pairs
shot from aircraft during aerial photography. In fact, you recreate
the 3-D image of the original artifact by placing the two images
under a viewer used for stereo air photos. Pocket versions of these
can be had for about $30-40 and consist of two lenses on small leggs,
often only a few inches off the table.
When you correctly position the two prints under this viewer - left
hand shot under the left lens and right hand shot under the right - a
3-D image with exaggerated relief will appear. The exaggerated
relief is caused by the magnification and the fact that the distance
between the shots is greater than the distance between your eyes.
You can then examine and analyse every detail of the object, just as
if it were in front of you, to your heart's content. For very small
objects, I have found I get more and better detail using the prints
then I can on-site, even with a hand lens, because a hand lens uses
only one eye and is, therefore, not 3-D!
I have used this on armorial wax seals only a half inch in diameter
with great effect. It could also be used on sculpture, carvings, or
even full-scale landscapes. The next time you want to record the full
depth and grandeur of an outdoor scene, do exactly the same thing,
but set the focus on infinity and instead of moving the camera a
couple inches on your elbows, step from one side to the other with
each shot, giving you two lens locations about three feet apart. SO
long as nothing moves across the scene [like a car or a cow] you will
have, under the stereo air photo viewer, a 3-D recreation of your
field experience.
I just thought that this simple technique might make someone's life a
little easier when you are 20 minutes from closing time in some
archive or collection and it took half your life savings to get you
there.
Philip Lord, Jr.
Chief, Historical Survey
NYS Museum/State Education Department
Albany, NY
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I have a list of men who were members of the "Washington and California
Mining and Trading Association," established in early 1849 after the gold
rush news reached NY. I also have a list of men involved in the Schaghticoke
Company, a similar group. I'm interested to find out more about the men,
their trip to CA, etc. As I understand it, they sent back letters/articles
that appeared in the local newspapers. I have info on one of the men, Henry
Sargent Crandall, of Greenwich, NY. If anyone can give me more details on
these companies or tell me where I might find more info, I would appreciate
it!
Laura Hulslander
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I am posting this at the request of my friends at the New York
City Dept. of
Records and Information Services. They do not have access to the
listserv.
If interested, please respond by regular mail to the address
below.
The New York City Department. of Records and Information Services
(DORIS) is advertising for two positions: Supervisor of Grants
Analysis Unit (GAU) and
Program Officer, GAU. Send resume and indicate position desired
to: William
F. Considine, Director of Administration; DORIS; 31 Chambers St.,
Room 208,
New York, NY 10007.
Supervisor of Grants Analysis Unit (GAU) establishes programmatic
initiatives and supervises the implementation and promulgation of
all aspects of a comprehensive grants program to improve the
management of and access to public records of the City of NY.
Qualifications: Related
Master's Degree and 5 years of comparable experience, including 2
years in an executive and managerial capacity or 7 years of
professional experience, including 3 years of experience in
planning, implementing and monitoring programs. Experience with
records management programs.
Salary: $36,855.
Program Officer, GAU, under the direction of the Supervisor of
GAU , produces and interprets written guidelines to facilitate
the grant application process; conducts site visits and monitors
agency compliance with programmatic requirements.
Qualifications: 5 years of progressively more responsible
experience in appraisal and/or records schedules and disposal;
providing direct technical assistance to the records program of a
government agency or corporation; and developing or implementing
a training program in records management. A related Masters
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$32,686.
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This is lifted from the Public History list and maybe of interest
to many of our list.
Members of the list may be interested in the collection of
topical bibliographies of history resources on the World Wide Web
that I have=
compiled in an effort to make the Web more useful for history
teaching and research. The site is called "Horus' World Wide Web
Links to Hist= ory Resources." The collection has fifty-five
articles with over 1400 lin= ks. I update the collection monthly.
It is strong in Ancient History, genea= logy, historical
photograph collections, historic preservation, and intelle= ctual
history. Both its strengths and weaknesses are representative of
the =
Web itself, which explains the dominance of U.S. sites. I welcome
suggest= ions for making the list stronger in areas related to
the list's discussio= ns. Go to
URL=3Dhttp://www.kaiwan.com/~lucknow/horus/horuslinks.html .
<<-------------------------------------------------------------------=
---->> Ronald Tobey. [W] Dept. of History, University of
California, Riversi= de 92521-0204 (voice) 909-787-4560 (fax)
909-787-5299; [H] Lucknow, 2580=
Carlton Pl., Riverside CA 92507-5713 (voice) 909-683-5202
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Now this is really good stuff.
________________________________
Guides to New York State History
Looking for information on:
an ancestor who lived in New York?
an event that happened in New York?
an organization that operated in New York?
a subject related to New York?
a place in New York?
County-level guides to over 1,700 repositories and organizations
in New York State that collect historical records and make them
accessible to the public are available from the New York State
Archives and Records Administration.
For each county in New York, a computer-generated guide(s)
provides:
a description of each repository (such as libraries, museums,
historical societies, and universities) that collects and makes
historical records available to the public;
brief descriptions of the kinds of historical records in the
repository, with general information on their contents to help
researchers decide whether to contact the repository for more
information, and
an index to the holdings of all the repositories in the county.
This information is available in both published and automated
forms:
Printed guides are available for purchase from the New York State
Archives and Records Administration.
Automated access is available as part of the Research Libraries
Information Network (RLIN), a national on-line research database.
(See your local library for information on access to RLIN, or
contact the Research Libraries Group at 1-800-537-RLIN.)
To order copies, or to get further information on this resource,
contact:
Statewide Archival Services
New York State Archives and Records Administration
Room 9B38 Cultural Education Center
Albany, NY 12230
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> I have a list of men who were members of the "Washington and California
>Mining and Trading Association," established in early 1849 after the gold
>rush news reached NY. I also have a list of men involved in the Schaghticoke
>Company, a similar group. I'm interested to find out more about the men,
>their trip to CA, etc. As I understand it, they sent back letters/articles
>that appeared in the local newspapers. I have info on one of the men, Henry
>Sargent Crandall, of Greenwich, NY. If anyone can give me more details on
>these companies or tell me where I might find more info, I would appreciate
>it!
>Laura Hulslander
>
Well fancy meeting you here...
That sounds like a delicious project. If you want to share the names, I'll
gladly check what I might have on their families. I am pretty sure that
Dave Thornton has personally indexed the Cambridge newspaper and he might be
able to help with the articles.
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The following are excepts from a short journal left by my 3rd great
uncle, William Cornell. I thought they would be of interest to
anyone searching for Brooklyn Civil War Veterans. Spelling and
punctuation are as he wrote it. William was approximately 68 years
old at the time he wrote it and I cannot vouch for the accuracy of
anything in it. These excerpts are the only mention of the !39th
and its men.
Page 7
William Cornell Enlisted Aug. 21 1862.
Corner of Court, and Joralomen Street.
Kings Co, City of Brooklyn, NY, State.
Page 16
i William Cornell, Private of Co.B
139th Regament of Brooklyn, N Y
on Aug 26, 1862. the Regamewnt left
Brooklyn, NY For the War
the Coloels names Was Anthony Conk
the Lieut Colonels, name Was S.H.Roberts
First major Was Morris
First Adutant Was Styles
First Captain of Co. B. thomas Lunny
First Lutenant of Co. B. John Smith
Second Lutenant of Co. B. Jacob Worth
First Sargent of Co.B. William Pickerd
Second Sargent of Co. B Walter JemiSon
Corporal of Co. B. John Martin
Corporal of Co. B. Wm WilkinSon
Corporal of Co B John Wizenfet
Second Colonel of 139th, S.H.Roberts
Second Captain of Co B. John Smithes Was Anthony Conk
the Liut Colonels, name Was S.H.Roberts
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The following is an excerpt from the journal or my 3rd great-uncle,
William Cornell. He wrote this in 1898 when he was 68 years old.
William's journal is only 36 short pages and rambles about his
Civil War service (see other message) his family (Cornell, Covert,
Stoothoff, Chartburn), and "history". His summary of US
History focuses mostly on debunking the myth of Columbus. The
following excerpt might be on interest to researchers of Brooklyn
and Long Island history. Punctuation and spelling is as found in
the original:
Page 28
and Wen New York City Formed
itS City Hall, the First man that
took Seat in it For mayo, it was
old Judge Duane, I dont no How Long
But He Was the First mayo, of NY.
HeLived in duane Street New York
and Duane Street Was named after Him
and Wen Brooklyn First Formed
its City Hall, the First man that
took Seat in it, For mayo, it was
George Hall, it Was then Sain
City Hall, George Hall.
and thomas Cornell mi Father
Was the First toll gate kper, in
Brooklyn, From 1831. to 1841
it Stood Between old Walabout and
Peck Slip raod, near to
Bushwick, cross roads,
Brooklyn Long Island
and they were three other toll
gates at the time, one Betweene
Jamaica, and Flushing, above
Page 29
New town, this toll Was kep by
Sam Mastres, at the time,
it Lay at Mas Peth, Li and Was
called Mas Peth, toll gate.
the third one Was towards
Hunters Point, Called Penny Bridge
toll gate,
the 4th toll gate was at the
Black Draw Bridge and
at the Head, of Bushwick ave
a CroSt grand Street End,
was old PeaterS Cooper, glue Works
and 2 1/2 miles East of old
Peater Cooper glue works
Was the Black, Draw Bridge
toll gate
in all at the time
4 toll gateS, on Long Island
Kings and Queens Countyand two CityS
Page 30
it Was then KingS County City of Brooklyn,
Queens County City of Flushing,
Buschwick CoSS Rodes, divided
off Kings and Queens County Li
and after you Left old Barren
Johnson, the old Slave Holder
that Lived on old Wallabout Rodd
that now CroSSes, JohnSon avenue
there Was only one Street With a name
it Was Grand STreet, town of
Williamsburg L i.
Every other Was old rodeS and
Lanes, Clear out to Flushing Bay
no name then for Streets and no
number for Houses and all
Rail fences and Stone fences
no Paved Streets and no match
then to Light Fire With or your Pipe.
or your Segar, For it Was
tiner Box, FLint and Steel
and Hardly no Paint, the Peopel
uSed to White Wash Houses
and Fences
Page 31
at this time if you Had money
you Could Buy good Land
at 7 dollars a Lot, and the
(and in some cases, 4 English Shilings the Aker)
money going them days, Was
out Landish money,
Sutch az French money and
MeXican mone, and the
English money, 24 and 1/2 cent,
English Shiling and 6 Pence
and 4 Pence and thrip Pence
and tupence,
it Was PEnce in this
Country then az well az Cents
But for years Back
now Comes a Big Difference
Page 32
in the year of 1835, new york, Was
Half Woods, Hills, rocks and trees,
Even Hard Coal Was Scarce
it Came to us at the time in Chunks
az large az a mans Head, and it
Had to be Broke up, With a Hammer
to Suit the Stove, it was then
Large Sheet iron oven Stoves
and Logs of Wood to Burn in the Fire Place
no Bunch Wood in them days
yoy Had to Cut it With the Ax
after Sawing it With the Buck Saw
and turf iz Bin Known, to be dug
on the meadows Joining new town Creek
L I, and put under cover, in the
Summer time to dry, to make Fire
in the Winter time, to Burn instead of Coal
goo Potatoes then, From the Farmers
then Was 24 cents, the old FaShioned Bushel
the HoneSt 4 Pecks,
i Say Wat Will you give
for them now a day
and RuSid turnips then,
good Brand then, Was onley
12 Cents the old FaShion Buchel
and a ten cent Loaf of Bread now,
Was Five Cents then.
the old times is gon, good night.
Page 33
Long Island at this time
Was Surronded With Woods, Hills
and rocks, County towns, and
Rhodes, and Lanes through it,
no Hidron Water then, For you had to go
Half a mile, to the pump Wells
off on the side of the old Wrodes
to get your Water to drink,
it Was pure then, and Cool
So now i Consider, from the Hydron
We are drinking Slops
Some times it do taste - if
Rats, Rats WaS in it,
or a Slunk Kitten.
its not the Same az it WaS
in olden timeS
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My ancestor Ebenezer Hatch Virgil was a pioneer in the development of
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Good news for the computer literate.
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The following is forwarded from H-local:
HISTORICAL COMMISSION ZEROED OUT OF GOVERNOR'S BUDGET
We have just received word that the budget Governor Whitman
submitted to the
legislature calls for the elimination of the New Jersey
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In her message yesterday Mrs. Whitman said that, "Research and
writing books
on history is more appropriately performed by institutions of
higher education
or the private and non-profit sectors." At a meeting Thursday
Secretary of
State Lonna Hooks told representatives of the Commission and the
New Jersey
history community that the grant program would be elimiated, but
nothing was
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The following is forwarded from H-local:
HISTORICAL COMMISSION ZEROED OUT OF GOVERNOR'S BUDGET
We have just received word that the budget Governor Whitman submitted to the
legislature calls for the elimination of the New Jersey Historical Commission.
In her message yesterday Mrs. Whitman said that, "Research and writing books
on history is more appropriately performed by institutions of higher education
or the private and non-profit sectors." At a meeting Thursday Secretary of
State Lonna Hooks told representatives of the Commission and the New Jersey
history community that the grant program would be elimiated, but nothing was
said about abolition of the Historical Commission.
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Does anyone know how I might get ahold of a copy of Lauretta Harris'
"Vital Records of the Town of Schodack"? I am in California, and so
interlibrary loan would be the best answer for me.
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The New York State Library catalog lists two reference copies of this book. I
checked the CD-ROM catalog for the 10-county Capital District region and the
Johnstown Public Library is listed as owning a copy in their (reference) local
history collection.
No circulating copies were listed. If you could specify what you want, you
might be able to get photocopies.
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99 Clinton Street Voice: (518) 388-4500
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